My lover is a wonderful man, who approaches masculinity from a feminine past. I am also obsessing on a woman who comes to womanhood from a masculine past. Cis men and women seem one dimensional to me and not very interesting sexually or intimately at all. This seems even stranger because until a few months ago I wasn't much interested in getting close to anyone.
Maybe it is because I can't get a surgery date for too god - awful long. But it is real, interesting, and a little disturbing to me. So am I just an oversexed old broad, or is there something else? I am waking up happy a lot, and that is nice. ;)
Julie
It's a very human thing to be attracted to those we feel understand us. Maybe you're attracted to other trans people because you feel they understand you better than a cis person would?
Although, not all of us come from a masculine past. My time living as a cis male... Well, I wasn't living. I didn't understand that world or how to be masculine. I just emulated what others seemed to think masculinity was. I had no ability to connect with others and make friends back then, because I was such a fake, maladjusted person, bitter, angry and depressed because I was repressing everything I was. I always feel so out of place when people start talking about knowing what both sides are like, because I was never able to figure out the male side of life. I was never a part of it, no matter how hard I tried to be.
gender ambiguity has always been attractive to me. i'm attracted to cis people too, but i really like it if a guy looks good in drag. or a woman has a boyish side.
cis people are often boring. but that's probably not because they're cis. there are many interesting cis people. people with interests, views that can expand my world, the ability to lead a mindblowing conversation, and those who simply have the ability to talk about other things than just the weather, what they did last weekend, and what they're going to do the next. it's also really boring when all a person can talk about is child-rearing.
trans people are less likely to be boring, because they already had to reflect a whole lot more on the world and everything in it, than what most people will ever do. but... just the gender ambiguity is so interesting to me that, well... i don't really need anything more to be attracted. i do believe there would have to be a little more than just trans about a person for a relationship to work though.
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 06, 2014, 12:20:25 PM
My lover is a wonderful man, who approaches masculinity from a feminine past. I am also obsessing on a woman who comes to womanhood from a masculine past. Cis men and women seem one dimensional to me and not very interesting sexually or intimately at all. This seems even stranger because until a few months ago I wasn't much interested in getting close to anyone.
Maybe it is because I can't get a surgery date for too god - awful long. But it is real, interesting, and a little disturbing to me. So am I just an oversexed old broad, or is there something else? I am waking up happy a lot, and that is nice. ;)
Julie
I seriously doubt it is because of a surgery date. We are attracted to who we are attracted to. I have always been bi and trans and both I pretty much accepted the trans part at an early age even though I had no clue what trans was at the time. The bi part came during puberty. I like girly guys, I like manly guys, I like masculine women and I like girly girls. I can't help it, it is just a part of me like any other part. Just go with it Julie, old broad or not hon. Just have fun and enoy while it lasts. ;)
I personally would not take it any other way.
Anyone in our community would be ones I would be attracted to.
CIS I feel always had something in the back of there minds.
Just me and that's how I snagged my husband.
Quote from: mrs izzy on September 06, 2014, 05:50:39 PM
I personally would not take it any other way.
Anyone in our community would be ones I would be attracted to.
CIS I feel always had something in the back of there minds.
Just me and that's how I snagged my husband.
I definitely agree. My last girlfriend was trans. My current boyfriend is bi, maybe? He had a boyfriend before me and to him I am just any other woman except for one thing. And I am not top for any guy. :embarrassed:
It is kind of reassuring to know I'm not alone in this. Make for a crazy party if you get too many of us in the same space for too long. Take rock and roll to a whole new mountaintop. ;)
Julie
thats just who your attracted to. nothing wrong with that ;D
I wouldn't see it as a problem, you like who you like for who they are and there isn't a fetish attached to it. Sounds like normal loving feelings to me!
there's nothing wrong with fetishes unless you rape because of them, and they are also a part of the person's being.
you're ok so long as you don't see people for that one feature only. being attractes to a certain feature isn't weird at all, what's weird is if you don't care about anything else.
Julie I don't find it weird at all.We have an understanding and flexibility that the cis poles do not.In the end all we want is for some one to love ,understand and accept us for who we are.Who better than one of our own,after all we are very special human beings. Patty
Nothing wrong with having a preference. The important bit, seems to me, is that you're waking up happy. I hope that means much happiness is distributed throughout your day, too. :D
Quote from: Taka on September 07, 2014, 04:59:26 AM
there's nothing wrong with fetishes unless you rape because of them, and they are also a part of the person's being.
you're ok so long as you don't see people for that one feature only. being attractes to a certain feature isn't weird at all, what's weird is if you don't care about anything else.
I 100% agree. Fetishes are fine as long as it is consensual and of the age of consent. I have certain things I like but will definitely not go into them, :embarrassed: and I am sure others have certain things they like but as long as it is just a fetish instead of an infatuation or obsession and the whole person is important than just one part of that person, then all is good.
I will confess. I think trans women are way more attractive in a whole round about way than cis women when it comes to femininity and trans men are way more genuinely real men than most of the childish, "god look at the tits on that one" type of men. So yeah I am attracted to other trans people too but not because they are trans though. I'm easily just as attracted to cis men that don't act like schoolboys with something to prove and cis women that are not so judgmental and so jealous of other women and embrace the femininity proudly. If I am lesbian I am definitely lipstick and don't want a woman cis or trans that want to prove they are just as good as guys. And guys cis or trans, as long as they don't act like school yard lady killers and only want one thing and done with me, I'm game.
I guess I just really don't care about anything other than the femininity and the masculinity, regardless of the genitals as long as both are secure in who they are. Does that make sense? Or am I just rambling on?
Jess,
You make perfect sense. What is interesting to me about trans men and women is femininity and masculinity, sans power and control. I have some wonderful cis men and women in my life but they are friends, not playmates or bed buddies. It is quite possible that I am selling them short. That may have more to do with my own lingering paranoia than any cues I get from them. I doubt I would ever have this conversation outside of a trans forum. I'm at ease here, more than I can ever remember being. I trust you, and do not feel I need to prove anything to you, or fear that you will reject me because of who I authenticity am, craziness and all.
Perhaps one day I'll grow up, but for now this group of people which spans generational and geographic boundaries is the most interesting collection of intellectually amazing people, cis or trans, gay or straight, that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. There is an esprit de corps here forged from struggle that is both reassuring and sexy.
You are my people, of course I am drawn to you. More importantly, you are thoughtful and loving, (and a little too politically correct ;) ) I feel fortunate to call you friends and lovers. I just wish I didn't have to spend so much time on airplanes to get to hang with you, hear your music, hold your hands. But I can think of worse quests than traveling the world to meet beauty, so I hope to see you on the flip side one of these days.
Shalom,
Julie
i only speak politically correct. because that's what i have to do here in order to not be modded.
it's also the safer way, as there are some sensitive souls who come by to read posts.
if there were a little more freedom to be politically horribly incorrect in typing, i might have shown a whole lot more of myself.
sides that i don't know whether are positive or negative to people like you.
it's a little difficult to know without talking about those things. and talking about them is difficult when i have to watch my language.
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 08, 2014, 02:17:12 AM
Jess,
You make perfect sense. What is interesting to me about trans men and women is femininity and masculinity, sans power and control. I have some wonderful cis men and women in my life but they are friends, not playmates or bed buddies. It is quite possible that I am selling them short. That may have more to do with my own lingering paranoia than any cues I get from them. I doubt I would ever have this conversation outside of a trans forum. I'm at ease here, more than I can ever remember being. I trust you, and do not feel I need to prove anything to you, or fear that you will reject me because of who I authenticity am, craziness and all.
Perhaps one day I'll grow up, but for now this group of people which spans generational and geographic boundaries is the most interesting collection of intellectually amazing people, cis or trans, gay or straight, that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. There is an esprit de corps here forged from struggle that is both reassuring and sexy.
You are my people, of course I am drawn to you. More importantly, you are thoughtful and loving, (and a little too politically correct ;) ) I feel fortunate to call you friends and lovers. I just wish I didn't have to spend so much time on airplanes to get to hang with you, hear your music, hold your hands. But I can think of worse quests than traveling the world to meet beauty, so I hope to see you on the flip side one of these days.
Shalom,
Julie
You may very well be selling some of them short Julie. But then again maybe not. Sometimes it's hard to say.
But we all have something in common here. We know ourselves better than anyone else in the world inside and out. It's hard to say whether being trans is a blessing or curse or a mix between the two. Most of society never questions their inside because their inside and outside matches, or they believe it does anyway. We on the other hand feel a sort of disconnect between our psyches and bodies. And this one little thing makes us question who we really are, especially on the inside. This can drive us mad if we let it. I have played with the madness myself. But it also give us something that is far greater than just and understanding of gender though because while questioning and trying to understand gender, we actually get to know ourselves on way deeper levels than what I think most other people in society do. This makes us less judgmental, more open and a lot of other things in the world that are a list of positives. But we have our negatives to like feeling left out of society and how society thinks of us sometimes.
Don't grow up or rather never stop growing. It is always a learning experience and once you stop learning then that is the day you stop breathing.
Politically correct? Me? :o You gotta' be joking right? I am probably about the most unpolitically correct person I know. >:-)
Taka & Jess,
I know the consequences of not being careful (Evelyn for example) God, I would love to have a drink with you two, Louisiana and Norway, sounds like a good trip. I'm an old radical hippy chick myself, but not here ;). I suppose without some guidance some might get abusive, and there is a place for decorum, but sometimes I just want to let my biker bitch out. As for growing up: Not bloody likely!
Taka, did you study in England or the states? Your English is better than mine. I have never gotten past singing Per Spelmann in Norwegian. I wish we taught languages more in the US. Throughout Europe and particularly Scandinavia, I am astonished that most people start a sentence in one language and seamlessly move to another seemingly without pause. In Copenhagen, even the kids at the Burger King speak flawless English. I am in awe.
vi snakkes
julie
PS Disclaimer - I don't drink and haven't for a couple of decades. I kept misplacing things, motorcycles, jobs, wives stuff like that.
english is actually extremely similar to norwegian/swedish/danish (they're basically dialects of the same language). we learn it easily, the odd changes in pronunciation aren't much weirder than what we find between our own different dialect. syntax is also very similar, so similar in fact that scandinavians often make mistakes that mean something in english, just not what they meant to say. we also have a long history of never dubbing movies, so we're exposed to english even before we're born.
i never studied really studied english after grade school. learning came through reading, hearing, speaking, and writing. because i like to read, i ended up getting ahead of most kids, and was a little shocked to learn that 9th graders in a different school couldn't understand texts from the old testament. i had too good teachers at the former school, and tolkien taught me a lot too. i've always been a fan of correct spelling too, that also helps a lot. though i find myself making a bit too many typos when i don't pay attention, or when i switch between norwegian and english keyboard layouts... it could also be mentioned that i studied (general) linguistics in university. half of the students were from africa, so we naturally ended up speaking more english than norwegian.
i also speak both norwegian and lule saami on a daily basis. switching language comes perfectly naturally, some times i switch language from person to person. other times, i'll be in a conversation where all participants switch languages seemingly randomly and often mid sentence. bilingualism is really fun when there's a whole community that have it in common.
(do you have any other interests to pull me off topic with...?)
Hundreds, but that is what Facebook is for :) I'm Julie Blair in Seattle WA
Ciao,
j
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 08, 2014, 09:16:39 AM
Taka & Jess,
I know the consequences of not being careful (Evelyn for example) God, I would love to have a drink with you two, Louisiana and Norway, sounds like a good trip. I'm an old radical hippy chick myself, but not here ;). I suppose without some guidance some might get abusive, and there is a place for decorum, but sometimes I just want to let my biker bitch out. As for growing up: Not bloody likely!
Taka, did you study in England or the states? Your English is better than mine. I have never gotten past singing Per Spelmann in Norwegian. I wish we taught languages more in the US. Throughout Europe and particularly Scandinavia, I am astonished that most people start a sentence in one language and seamlessly move to another seemingly without pause. In Copenhagen, even the kids at the Burger King speak flawless English. I am in awe.
vi snakkes
julie
PS Disclaimer - I don't drink and haven't for a couple of decades. I kept misplacing things, motorcycles, jobs, wives stuff like that.
Yeah but isn't there something now about smiting others out of spite? As a matter of fact, I love to hear differing opinions. And differing opinions on a forum like this is an extremely good thing because the people that might just be passing through and or just wanting to learn more about us as a group of people can actually see how diverse we are in our thinking. That except for one thing, that we are all normal people going about our lives with our own differing views just like anyone else in the world.
Yeah Julie, I'll never grow up either. But it kinda' sux cause I still grow older though. :(
Jess,
I spent a year or more mourning the pretty girl that never got to be when I first started to transition. I was born a few decades early to accept who I am when I first knew that the boy on the outside was so wrong and a little gross. So I masked the pain with a pretty serious drug habit, and when that almost killed me, with alcohol. Such a f-king waste. How I got through university remains a complete mystery. Particularly as a science geek.
Funny that, I studied Chemistry and Biology so that I could make better Acid (Meth didn't exist then thank God). Got really good grades too. ;)
I survived self destructive behavior, recovery, depression, getting fat, getting thin, trying to be gay, trying to be spiritual, trying to be smart. I finally found my niche just being me. (With the help and guidance of a couple years of therapy with a gender guru, who saved my life)
A long answer to, growing older? The short answer is that it is just fine. I have a couple of decades of life left to be me and I have no intention of letting them be squandered. Not for anyone, most certainly not for propriety. I will die broke, happy, loving and loved by a community that is scattered across the globe. I am grateful for the chance at happiness, the opportunity of authenticity, I try to live in the infinite now, with people who do likewise.
If you are up for a motorcycle trip through the game parks of Namibia, hiking the great walks of New Zealand, riding Vespa's across Italy, I'm your girl. Music even if it is just a blues harp and a song are part of the deal. Let me know when you're ready to trade eighteen wheels for two. I'm always looking for a party, and a friend.
Peace,
Julie
Oh yeah on posting my picture. One of the co-founders of AA, Dr. Bob Smith, cautioned that maintaining anonymity to the point of being unavailable to people you can help is neither spiritually fit nor fundamentally honest. I was taught that by a sponsor twenty-five years ago. I think there are many parallels between chemical dependency recovery and transitioning from the closeted to the authentic.
I'm out there for anyone who is interested. I haven't enough to be worth stealing from, I am not afraid of being taken advantage of or even of death. I want anyone who meets me and needs to talk to know my ear and my time are available for fun and for free. I have been given the gift of life, and I need to be available to pass that along as best I can. So my picture is real, my profile is real, I am real.
How anyone else approaches this is none of my business and I make no judgements. This is how I am and how I have to be. All that said, I'm not completely foolish, you won't see me with a bullhorn in front of a crowd, but you might see me talking to someone crying at the perimeter.
Fair Winds and Full Sails,
Julie
Dearest Julie a suggestion was made a vote taken.Your new name should be JEWELIE for you are a jewel to all of us here.Your wisdom and the ability to put it in words is greatly appreciated by all those you have touched thank you for being part of our community. Patty
I love you too girlfriend. Smooches
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 09, 2014, 09:39:10 AM
Jess,
I spent a year or more mourning the pretty girl that never got to be when I first started to transition. I was born a few decades early to accept who I am when I first knew that the boy on the outside was so wrong and a little gross. So I masked the pain with a pretty serious drug habit, and when that almost killed me, with alcohol. Such a f-king waste. How I got through university remains a complete mystery. Particularly as a science geek.
Funny that, I studied Chemistry and Biology so that I could make better Acid (Meth didn't exist then thank God). Got really good grades too. ;)
I survived self destructive behavior, recovery, depression, getting fat, getting thin, trying to be gay, trying to be spiritual, trying to be smart. I finally found my niche just being me. (With the help and guidance of a couple years of therapy with a gender guru, who saved my life)
A long answer to, growing older? The short answer is that it is just fine. I have a couple of decades of life left to be me and I have no intention of letting them be squandered. Not for anyone, most certainly not for propriety. I will die broke, happy, loving and loved by a community that is scattered across the globe. I am grateful for the chance at happiness, the opportunity of authenticity, I try to live in the infinite now, with people who do likewise.
If you are up for a motorcycle trip through the game parks of Namibia, hiking the great walks of New Zealand, riding Vespa's across Italy, I'm your girl. Music even if it is just a blues harp and a song are part of the deal. Let me know when you're ready to trade eighteen wheels for two. I'm always looking for a party, and a friend.
Peace,
Julie
Trade in my butt. I'm just about ready to sell them. They are becoming way more of a pain in the butt than moneymakers. Break downs, blow outs because drivers can't seem to keep the trailers off the curbs and don't know how to ease across the curb if need be, truck payments, trailer payments, insurance, paying drivers that really can't drive. Christ Almighty. The only ones that I may keep are the ones that I run across country. They're newer and both trailers are reefers and the drivers tend to take a little better care of the equipment and I hardly ever see 'em. Even the dealing with brokers aren't as big a pain as dealing with the oilfield as a matter of fact, dealing with DOT is not as big a pain in the butt as the oilfield companies. California DOT or CHP strikes fear in the hearts of a lot of drivers because of the frequent inspections and the CHP being really strict on trucks. But CHP ain't got nothing on the ludicrous "safety" policies of these oilfield companies. Trucking and oil companies. They want to inspect the trucks and most of the ones that do the inspections can't even start a truck let alone drive one safely. ::) I keep everything on my trucks up and well within and over minimum safety requirements. They always pass roadside and safety inspections by state and federal law enforcement and the companies stiff nitpick little things.
I vote for Jewelie. You shine girl.
Hon, I think the best thing about growing older is looking back sometimes and seeing all the stupid things you did when you were younger. I do this on a daily basis. ;) Well you got a friend, as for a party though that is wherever you make it. 8)
Exploration of the mind(s) is a good place to begin to find common thread. Denial to one group or another might rob one of exploration which evokes strong passion(s). Be patient, surgery will happen, in the meantime surrender to self love. >:-) You are sweet Julie.
Well look who's on this threat. Party lured me out of the forest. Thread not threat. Patty. Phones.... dumb phones not. Smart.
Weird? ,not. Attractions... I keep my guard up in here to stay safe from them, I don't let anyone get that close to threaten the marriage. But attractions... why do.you think I am so.careful. one of our traps is that if we lose the physicality at home we are emotionally set up for crushing.
Anyway more later.
Sj
I've only dated trans women since I started transitioning. I'm not sure re: attraction but they are the people I meet. (I'd date some trans men, but they are way younger for the most part, and the trans women are more my age.) I am not sure it's actual attraction, just who I meet these days since I am going to two groups. I haven't met too many unattached cis people lately.
I think it's natural in a way. It's quite a thing to go thru and I think we tend to understand each other, my experience anyway. OTOH, sometimes I don't have that much in common, except this, so not sure if that's quite enough.
--Jay
Attraction is a funny thing. We are in no more control to what attracts us as we are at being trans or sexual preference. I would be lying if I said that beauty and good looks didn't attract me. They definitely get my attention for sure. But there is way more to it the farther you go into it. In the beginning the looks is what you may find attractive, but two hours into a conversation, you may find that they have the personality of a rock. Someone less with less than great looks may talk to you and you may find that yours and their personalities click and they will become way more attractive to you.
Jess, so why again do I find you attractive?
julie
SweetJean,
Welcome to Susan's :-*
I have lived 47 years of my life female n have always had an attraction both emotionally n sexually to gay men, in particular the more "pretty bois". It is only when I began to explore n open myself to my own gender struggles that I realized that it was because of my own male nature that this was the case. I think part of attraction is finding someone who identifies with us on an emotional level, that gets us.
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 13, 2014, 05:20:37 PM
Jess, so why again do I find you attractive?
julie
Maybe 'cause I am cute, even if I say so myself. ;) Maybe cause I am just one of those free spirits that don't give a "flip" about anything. Could just be because I am one of those hardened wild women that is just a little girl on the inside. Why in the world would you find me attractive? I'm just another lost girl in the world under a hardened shell of "Willimina Badbutt". That would be Billy Bada** if I was a real man or cisguy. ;) Or could be that you are just as insane as I am. :-\
Jess, if we are insane, it is a good kind of crazy.
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 13, 2014, 10:48:59 PM
Jess, if we are insane, it is a good kind of crazy.
The best kind Julie. Sanity is so over rated and boring. 8)
I think that this type of attraction should have been called "transsexual" instead.
Quote from: makipu on September 16, 2014, 03:56:34 PM
I think that this type of attraction should have been called "transsexual" instead.
No not really. Transpeople can be either male of female born genders but still living as their birth genders with little hints here and there if not out and out telling others. Transexual would be a transgender person living as their preferred gender. There is definitely a difference between the two.
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 13, 2014, 05:20:37 PM
Jess, so why again do I find you attractive?
julie
short answer: because we are hot as h*ll >:-)
Well.. Getting more serious I can't say why you find people attractive but I also find many transgender very attractive and thinking about it I tend to be more interesteed in other transpeople than cisgenders.
I think its a mix of appereance and mentality but mostly the last part.
I think many transpeople are hot, im specially into the androgynous look so ftms which had this boyish look and mtf who still enjoy cars are pretty cool for me.
I think while aperence may play a part the most important fact is mentality. I cant be into someone which are ignorant and boring. and while not all cisgenders are so, Many cisgender can be pretty ignorant toward transgenders, and even if they are not complitely you may still feel an inequality or a need to explain yourself and be "accepted first" which for me is a turn off in general. for many transgenders this is not needed cause they already understand you, or sorta understand you, and they are also much likely to respect you and not ask all these "so when did you know" questions unless it for personal reflections and not just "im curious"
I also agree with taka that many transgender do seams to have some more reflection in life than many cisgender has. I also find many transpeople being interesteed in the same activism stuff as I do =) so it cool to be able to talk about such big thing rather than the weather or how school was.
--
p.s. if you want to learn a languarge I am willing to help you if posible. ^^
Quote from: Natkat on September 17, 2014, 02:43:11 PM
short answer: because we are hot as h*ll >:-)
Well.. Getting more serious I can't say why you find people attractive but I also find many transgender very attractive and thinking about it I tend to be more interesteed in other transpeople than cisgenders.
I think its a mix of appereance and mentality but mostly the last part.
I think many transpeople are hot, im specially into the androgynous look so ftms which had this boyish look and mtf who still enjoy cars are pretty cool for me.
I think while aperence may play a part the most important fact is mentality. I cant be into someone which are ignorant and boring. and while not all cisgenders are so, Many cisgender can be pretty ignorant toward transgenders, and even if they are not complitely you may still feel an inequality or a need to explain yourself and be "accepted first" which for me is a turn off in general. for many transgenders this is not needed cause they already understand you, or sorta understand you, and they are also much likely to respect you and not ask all these "so when did you know" questions unless it for personal reflections and not just "im curious"
I also agree with taka that many transgender do seams to have some more reflection in life than many cisgender has. I also find many transpeople being interesteed in the same activism stuff as I do =) so it cool to be able to talk about such big thing rather than the weather or how school was.
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p.s. if you want to learn a languarge I am willing to help you if posible. ^^
Definitely agree with you there Natkat.
I think transgenders being attracted to other transgenders gives them one helluva common background. You wouldn't have to explain exactly what you have went through, going through and so on. Even cis people that are trans friendly and are sympathetic to our situations sometimes are totally clueless. I do keep this in mind talking to people and the terminology and so on may not be correct and what we feel may be insulting, they are clueless. Let's face it, most of the time unless you are transgendered then it isn't like you are going to know everything about us as a group. Usually we find ourselves attracted by looks in the beginning but as time goes on with a person it is the things they have in common that really brings them together. I don't know if that makes too much sense 'cause it sounds kinda' crazy but I will stand by it though. I have had some really good looking dates, good looking for me anyway, and the only thing we had in common was breathing. So boring. :P Then I have been attracted to people that I wasn't really too interested in their looks, not ugly but not my preference either, that as time went on I found myself more attracted because we had a lot in common. Then they seemed to become a lot better looking even. Psycholgical? Could be. I don't know but it works in funny ways.
You aren't weird, you are you. Embrace it, come to terms with it and find yourself a nice partner to settle down with! ;D
Quote from: Alice Rogers on September 18, 2014, 09:54:07 AM
You aren't weird, you are you. Embrace it, come to terms with it and find yourself a nice partner to settle down with! ;D
Alice,
I have a beautiful t-man who keeps me safe and loved. As to weird, you cannot imagine >:-) but I do adore being a wonderfully loved girl. :-*
Julie
I don't think any sort of attraction that is consensual is wrong. I have dated trans women and would date a trans man.
--Jay
Quote from: JulieBlair on September 19, 2014, 07:27:58 AM
Alice,
I have a beautiful t-man who keeps me safe and loved. As to weird, you cannot imagine >:-) but I do adore being a wonderfully loved girl. :-*
Julie
Wow, Julie. I really don't think you are weird. I can imagine weird and have known some weird people and you are probably more normal than the so called normal people that hide it so well. ;) Believe me, I can tell you about a couple of people that are weird to my standards even. And my life has been like one big Psycho Circus. >:-) These people even scared me.