Why do so many Christians believe that God can't save the USA, the most powerful country on Earth, but we mortals cannot save ourselves either? Jesus Christ is supposed to return soon, but I don't look forward to going to Heaven, so read that other thread "If this is heaven, I don't want to go" for elaboration. How is the world as we know it not going to end in our lifetime?
It may not end in our lifetime. Preachers who set dates are simply false prophets. We are told that no man will know the date, so relax, it may be a while or tomorrow. Nothing to worry about though as it will only rob you of the happiness of today. :)
Yeah, what do you think of the preaching of the US' fall as a country?
Quote from: redhot1 on October 18, 2014, 09:35:40 PM
Yeah, what do you think of the preaching of the US' fall as a country?
There are as many different interpretations of that as their are scholars. It either will or won't happen, but it does no good to obsess over it. We could just as easily get hit my a large asteroid tomorrow. We are to take every day as a blessing and be thankful when we get another. None of us are promised that things will be easy. I have listened to end of days lectures since the late 80s. They never come to fruition, but the publishers make millions off of the sales of books and survival products anyway. Just trust in G-D and things will be according to how they will be. :)
Panic drives prices up as scared people will buy anything they can to survive. I trust, therefore I don't worry. :)
Meh. I don't worry about the end. When it's over, it's over. Might as well enjoy the time that you have instead of worrying about when this all ends.
Quote from: redhot1 on October 18, 2014, 09:16:23 PM
Why do so many Christians believe that God can't save the USA, the most powerful country on Earth, but we mortals cannot save ourselves either? Jesus Christ is supposed to return soon, but I don't look forward to going to Heaven, so read that other thread "If this is heaven, I don't want to go" for elaboration. How is the world as we know it not going to end in our lifetime?
It all started with Soul of Tarsus (AKA as Paul) who was convinced that Joshua (Jesus) will come back in his life time. Paul was adamant about the return.. it was imminent..... well, that was 2,000 years ago... but the return is still imminent
BTW what does my country needs to be saved from ? Last thing I heard we are doing better than most countries... I mean we come to the rescue of Japan after their nuclear disaster, we are helping Ukraine from the communist hoard, keeping ISIS at bay in the middle east, keeping Israel from disappearing from the face of the earth... keeping Africa fed and helping them fight ebola... I mean is just like we (the US tax payers) are helping everybody...
never in the history of humanity has a nation show so much generosity and willingness to put their own blood to defend other people or nations... so, again my friend who do we (USA) need to be rescued from ?
I've been hearing a lot of this since the 1970's from a radio preacher named J. Vernon McGee with his experiences with those Armageddon types since WWII. This after serving in the Navy and experiencing firsthand the big gray regatta we and the Soviets had out in the eastern Mediterranean during the Yom Kippur War of 1973. It comes in waves. There are different interpretations by different people on the books of Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Relevations in the Bible since then. A lot of theories of whom, what or even where are involved. God saving of a country? That depends on the morality and strong nature of the people of that country. Most of these preachers and others that say these doom and gloom statements are usually on the far right of the political spectrum. More of these things are said after and during wars, during a liberal US presidential administration, and after a series of natural and manmade disasters. God bless the USA!
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I think the world has been ending since mankind has had the intelligence to realize that we or and outside force could wipe out humanity. Don't worry. We may become extinct long before but this planet will survive until the sun consumes it when it goes thorough it's death throws. APPX 4 million years or maybe billion years form now. But MIT not to long ago stated the sun would go into it's final stages in APPX 100 years from now. Never heard anything else about that. So really who knows?
OK. So you want and are asking God to save the world. What if God is saying , why don't these humans save themselves? I believe in God so I am not atheist. But why rely on God when God instilled intelligence in us to either destroy ourselves, let ourselves become extinct or expand ourselves throughout the universe? It's not up to God to ensure the human race, that is up to us by our own decisions. God created our Souls or Spirits. So if we go on without our bodies with that love that God created our Spirits with, Why would God step in to save the earth and humanity? That is up to us as humans with a Spirit than it is to God. We have to make the right decisions to ensure the human race. Our humanity is temporary, our Spirits are eternal. What is more important to God? Not even mentioning Freewill and how God will not intervene. So why would God intervene? This is one planet out of possibly infinite planets and worlds in the universe. Its really not God's problem but ours to figure out. Sorry.
I believe in God and all... but I am not waiting on him to save the USA.
Prepare yourself. Don't go crazy but at least learn some skills and stock some food and water.
One must use the whole word of God and the Holy Ghost to interpret the word to understand what is happening in the last days. 1 Corinthians 2: 7-14 shows the word is spiritually discerned.
The Lord said when you see these things come to pass (end time prophesies and events) look up for you redemption draweth nigh. So, there shall be some who may not know the day nor hour but will see when it is about to come to pass.
The word also says when they (unbelievers) speak peace and safety sudden destruction shall come upon them. In other words the peace and safety that the followers of Christ shall have is safety from the wrath of God as written, in the multitude of counsellers there is safety. Jesus said My peace I give unto you. Not as the world give I it but my peace. The peace he gives is the counsel of peace between man and God. Those who speak peace and safety yet do not believe shall have the Lord return as a thief in the night. They won't see the signs of the time and make themselves ready.
One major event which has happened which did not happen when others spoke of the end is the rise of ISIS. They want to control the whole world or establish the one world order and they behead those who are not Islamic. The word says the kingdom of the Beast will do this. It also says those who do not take his mark shall not be able to buy nor sell. The Christians who fled Mosul Iraq could neither buy nor sell and if they stayed they would be beheaded.
The most important thing when one sees the signs of the time is to remember that we know not the day nor hour and there is no guarantee that the Lord will return before Christians who stand on the word of God will be killed. ISIS has taken over so many places already and now is in America and beheadings have started. Our borders are opened and even though ISIS comes in the government refuses to close them.
Therefore that which means more than anything else is that we make sure our soul is right with God. If we find we have followed a lie repent and make sure you are right with God.
Forever is too long to be wrong.
Quote from: Del on October 20, 2014, 03:01:30 PM
The most important thing when one sees the signs of the time is to remember that we know not the day nor hour and there is no guarantee that the Lord will return before Christians who stand on the word of God will be killed. ISIS has taken over so many places already and now is in America and beheadings have started. Our borders are opened and even though ISIS comes in the government refuses to close them.
The vandals, the huns, the mongols, etc., etc. they were all called the final enemy...the sign before th end of times... ISI is but another extreme religious zealots who are an affront to Islam and humanity...
We'll see.
Have a good day.
Short answer: because the U.S.A is a wicked nation. Because of this, God will not help a country that has turned his back on Him. This is what I believe.
In fact, the whole world lieth in wickedness (1 John 5:19)
Quote from: King Malachite on October 21, 2014, 07:50:14 PM
Short answer: because the U.S.A is a wicked nation. Because of this, God will not help a country that has turned his back on Him. This is what I believe.
In fact, the whole world lieth in wickedness (1 John 5:19)
Well, your Highness, with all due respect I completely disagree. The level of brutality and horror over most of the world has decreased considerable. The data shows that poverty and hunger has also decreased significantly all over the word.
I would agree that much remains to done, specially as far as huger, poverty, and ignorance in Africa, and in containing the religious extremists (both Islamists and Christians) all over the world.
Looks like we will have to agree to disagree. ;)
Quote from: King Malachite on October 21, 2014, 07:50:14 PM
Short answer: because the U.S.A is a wicked nation. Because of this, God will not help a country that has turned his back on Him. This is what I believe.
In fact, the whole world lieth in wickedness (1 John 5:19)
Exactly!
I am just going to be honest but when I hear about things like this and God saving anything it kind of makes me think its the same reason why the easter bunny and santa clause are not saving america, kind of get where I am coming from? I mean I used to be religious somewhat but then I realized that I don't think GOD does exist because why we he make me a girl trapped in a boys body. I know I may be bashed for saying that here but I am okay with that and let the backlash begin.
Quote from: Sandy74 on October 27, 2014, 03:52:26 PM
I am just going to be honest but when I hear about things like this and God saving anything it kind of makes me think its the same reason why the easter bunny and santa clause are not saving america, kind of get where I am coming from? I mean I used to be religious somewhat but then I realized that I don't think GOD does exist because why we he make me a girl trapped in a boys body. I know I may be bashed for saying that here but I am okay with that and let the backlash begin.
You ain't saying or asking anything else any of us have asked before. So no bashing from me. I just looked for other rhymes and reasons. And that goes with what I said in my earlier post. God isn't concerned with us as much as a lot of people want God to be. Our eternal Souls or Spirits maybe that which a Creator created but our bodies is a result of nature in the way of DNA, RNA and genetics, or just the maps of human gender being in the fastest strongest or first sperm to penetrate the outer walls of the egg. no matter how messed up or mixed it up it is to our true Spirit. I really don't think God cheers for one particular sperm out of millions. So eventually there will be mix up between the body and Psyche. And this world in the shape it is now is our own making by being physically human and having the Devine Gift of Freewill.
Sorry to say and I hope no one bashes me but it isn't up to God to save the world, it is up to us. It isn't up to God to make sure people don't starve, that is up to us and our compassion. It isn't God to save us from a Nuclear Holocaust, we have to have the better judgment. But we have great gifts in the way of intelligence and understanding the human anatomy. We can choose HRT, SRS, FFS and so on. We have the technology through our intelligence to change our bodies. Even with implants busts and hips. Right now there is a price on all these things. Eventually it may not be so out of the grasps of everyone except the rich. It is up to us and what we feel in our Psyches of what we should do. But we will have to face persecution though in the way of society but in the same token Christ was persecuted for who he was. So a big lesson in Christianity there. That may even be the biggest lesson. Maybe we have to face persecution in our lives. Not on a cross but through words and emotions and opinions.
Quote from: Sandy74 on October 27, 2014, 03:52:26 PM
I am just going to be honest but when I hear about things like this and God saving anything it kind of makes me think its the same reason why the easter bunny and santa clause are not saving america, kind of get where I am coming from? I mean I used to be religious somewhat but then I realized that I don't think GOD does exist because why we he make me a girl trapped in a boys body. I know I may be bashed for saying that here but I am okay with that and let the backlash begin.
Right on!
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Quote from: Sandy74 on October 27, 2014, 03:52:26 PM
I am just going to be honest but when I hear about things like this and God saving anything it kind of makes me think its the same reason why the easter bunny and santa clause are not saving america, kind of get where I am coming from? I mean I used to be religious somewhat but then I realized that I don't think GOD does exist because why we he make me a girl trapped in a boys body. I know I may be bashed for saying that here but I am okay with that and let the backlash begin.
As a Christian I am not gonna bash you nor do I bash but that's not Gods fault as somelses stated for why you were born like that, that is all gnetics and DNA and what not. God has a purpose dor everyone, maybe were just here to mak a difference no one knows but saying things like why would God do this is not a good enough reason to not believe in him everyone has trials and tribulations but being a trans male has only made me stronger which I wasn't before so I thank God for that. God isn't gonna save the U.S.A because for one we have turned our back on him and 2 all we do is kill eachother and hate eachother because the love of man has waxed cold as it states in Revalations.
There is no purpose to anything. Humans are here only by chance. People like to give things more meaning than they deserve because it makes them feel good. It's the same reason that so many people are absolutely convinced that there is an afterlife where no concrete evidence exists to support it. No divine being is going to save this or any other country. We will probably kill ourselves in World War 3. If that doesn't happen first, we will destroy the ecosystem. It's not prophecy being fulfilled. It's the pure stupidity of the human race doing itself in.
:police: Please be nice to each other and show respect to one another's beliefs. Nobody will likely ever convince someone with a differing viewpoint otherwise on a forum such as this. If the vitriol escalates any further, this topic will end up being locked.
Quote from: Laura Squirrel on October 29, 2014, 08:48:01 PM
There is no purpose to anything. Humans are here only by chance. People like to give things more meaning than they deserve because it makes them feel good. It's the same reason that so many people are absolutely convinced that there is an afterlife where no concrete evidence exists to support it. No divine being is going to save this or any other country. We will probably kill ourselves in World War 3. If that doesn't happen first, we will destroy the ecosystem. It's not prophecy being fulfilled. It's the pure stupidity of the human race doing itself in.
Welp you have you have your beliefs and I have mine, I personally believe the prophecy is being fufilled and if you can't see it then idk what to tell ya but I am not gonna argue I'm gonna keep it civilized.
First, if we believe that God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent as I was taught in the last half of the last century, then He can do what He wants to do, and its none of our control or speculation that will alter that one bit. God does not even have to obey the Bible to get stuff done if you agree with the first part of that sentence. It would be TOO MANY contradictions in that idea.
I am sure that big changes need to be made, and there is plenty of old rotten junk out there that is not worth saving in any sense of the word. I believe in a Creator that can do some fantastic makeovers if we play by His non-rules that make him the boss. Instead we are listening to people who claim to be God's voice, but who cannot hear it themselves. Too many "false prophets" are cluttering up the landscape and are the real stumbling blocks for those who will lift their Cross and get hiking.
seems to me Gods done pretty good. food , shelter , warmth, a planet to stand on. any blame should be directed towards the humans that were given the freedom to do their own thing