Wendy Williams under fire for comments on Bruce Jenner
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/10/30/wendy-williams-under-fire-for-comments-on-bruce-jenner/18170311/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/10/30/wendy-williams-under-fire-for-comments-on-bruce-jenner/18170311/)
By Jeremy Blacklow and Travis Reilly, USA Today 10:12 a.m. EDT October 30, 2014
"To suggest that a person's nail polish color or hairstyle would inflict harm on their children is just ludicrous," GLAAD president and CEO Sarah Kate Ellis told TheWrap.com. "What does inflict harm, however, is gross and invasive speculation about a person's gender identity."
During her Hot Topics segment on her show, Williams referenced a picture of Jenner that TMZ had acquired, which showed the former Olympian and current Keeping Up With the Kardashians star golfing on his 65th birthday. What got Williams' attention: Jenner was holding a lit cigarette and appeared to be wearing pink nail polish.
"Thank God he waited for his kids to grow up before making this transition or whatever it is he's going through," she said. "Can you imagine how awful it would be for those kids if he showed up with a blowout, a shaved Adam's apple, pink nail polish, and smoking a cigarette at a PTA meeting? Could you imagine?"
Hopefully Jenner gets support if they are coming out (which appears obvious) from other celebrities. Who cares for goddess sake!
I'm waiting for the National Enquirer to report on the UFO who beamed up Jenner and changed their gender.
I am afraid that my worst feeling about this is the cigarette, since Jenner is a known athlete!! Lets get the important thing out in the room!!.
Maybe the cigarette was the hint that they're not really transitioning hormonally. What endo in their right mind will let a 65 year old smoker on HRT?
I've got to say, this is one of the few news stories I was surprised to read. Doesn't Wendy Williams have a large LGBT demographic? What an amazingly stupid thing for her to say.
Well it looks like months of speculation may be put to rest:
http://www.mercurynews.com/celebrities/ci_27412160/bruce-jenner-is-becoming-woman
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/bruce-jenner-to-discuss-male-to-female-transition-in-major-tv-interview-report/ar-AA8Gx2p?ocid=ansGossipCop11
EW, TMZ and Yahoo news are reporting the same thing so it may be true.
If that's true, I am as proud today as the day in 1976 when Bruce took the gold medal! A true American hero! Just goes to show everyone that this situation is something that affects people in all walks of life and is deserving of being treated with respect and understanding, just like Bruce should be.
QuoteBruce Jenner is reportedly gearing up to discuss his "wish to transition from male to female," with Us Weekly claiming the star has already "taped a major sitdown interview."
Welcome, sister. Now you're a hero (or heroine) in more than one way.
Let's hope we can stop using Bruce soon. I'm sure she isn't keeping the name.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 28, 2015, 06:03:39 PM
Let's hope we can stop using Bruce soon. I'm sure she isn't keeping the name.
Totally agree! I had a heck of a time wording that without saying any pronouns :)
Quote from: ReDucks on January 28, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
Totally agree! I had a heck of a time wording that without saying any pronouns :)
That's an acquired skill! :)
It would be nice to finally hear the facts instead of the rumors that have been snowballing since the late '70s.
Quote from: Jill F on January 28, 2015, 06:11:54 PM
It would be nice to finally hear the facts instead of the rumors that have been snowballing since the late '70s.
I agree, that's why no pronouns for me until then.
Or transition pronouns too. If he is transitioning and happier than ever, I am so happy for HER. As the one article discusses Bruce maybe wanted to do this when he met Kris and is now finally allowing herself to be happy after 20 years. Many of us know the suffering of repression of that inner drive and make that transition in our 60's. Whatever, I just do hope the media does treat this story with respect and dignity.
Hugs sister and welcome!
Well as I have said before. We are family. If Jenner is trans our arms are open.
If not, our arms are open.
We above all groups in the world accept.
Everyone is welcome, no matter.
But some of our family may need an extra hug.
I think it's wonderful for Bruce, no matter what Bruce decides to do. And selfishly, I think it would be wonderful for the transgender community. How often do you have a visible celebrity come out as transgender?
And what do you think the over/under is on the media making the first Bruce "Jender" comment?
Quote from: ChiGirl on January 29, 2015, 07:45:00 AM
I think it's wonderful for Bruce, no matter what Bruce decides to do. And selfishly, I think it would be wonderful for the transgender community. How often do you have a visible celebrity come out as transgender?
And what do you think the over/under is on the media making the first Bruce "Jender" comment?
Jill is sooooo going to steal that!
Bruce Jenner Reportedly Filming His Transgender Journey For TV Show, Kardashian Family To Cameo
Source: http://laist.com/2015/01/28/bruce_jenner.php
Author: Emma G. Gallegos
Posted:Jan 28, 2015
"Bruce Jenner is no stranger to reality-TV, but his latest project is rumored to be quite personal. After several months of rumors regarding an alleged gender transformation, TMZ is reporting that the 65-year-old "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" star and former Olympic athlete is preparing to speak out about his "life changes" as part of an upcoming docu-series."
Washington Post now reporting more details:
What's going on with Bruce Jenner, and is it wrong to ask?
By Emily Yahr, The Washington Post
January 29 at 10:27 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/01/29/whats-going-on-with-bruce-jenner-and-is-it-wrong-to-ask/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/01/29/whats-going-on-with-bruce-jenner-and-is-it-wrong-to-ask/)
By now, you may have seen a few tabloid headlines about Bruce Jenner, carefully alluding to his "changed appearance" or "new look." The patriarch of the Kardashian family and ex-husband of Kris Jenner has lately made some certain style choices. His hair is long and highlighted. He's sported a French manicure. He wears diamond earrings and seemingly some lip gloss.
Whether this is true or not , the way the tabloids have been treating Bruce has been pretty vile.
I believe nothing of value to stories like this news jumping from tabloid to tabloid to gosip to gosip
I just see it as making a joke out of the whole real life process we handle.
When he/she/they come out then its news worthy. Till then my cat knows more what's going on.
Grrr!
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 29, 2015, 07:49:31 AM
Jill is sooooo going to steal that!
Umm, no. Even if it was actually clever or funny.
I just hope the upcoming TV interviews will put an end to the speculation in a dignified way and shed a positive light upon the transgender community.
Really what is her first name. Hard to believe they would still use her old name. She should have a news conference & let everyone know who she is.
Quote from: FrancisAnn on January 29, 2015, 07:53:43 PM
Really what is her first name. Hard to believe they would still use her old name. She should have a news conference & let everyone know who she is.
I've heard the Brigitte rumor through the grapevine. I won't believe it until I see it though.
I've heard the TV show rumors from industry sources (I work for a TV station). I guess it's plausible but it isn't confirmed until She comes out and says it.
First of all, good for her! I was talking with a friend last night who is also transitioning in her early 60's. Lots of life still left to live...might as well be happy finally.
Hopefully it'll be a good TV interview where she gets to come out and tell her story without any fake drama intended to pump up the ratings. I have to admit I'm a little nervous about it though, the Kardashians aren't known for their class and dignity.
Quote from: Jill F on January 29, 2015, 08:01:58 PM
I've heard the Brigitte rumor through the grapevine. I won't believe it until I see it though.
I've also heard Agnes.
He has said over and over that he's a man though, and explained away his plastic surgeries, saying they have nothing to do with his gender orientation. I'm not saying there aren't (kind of obvious?) signs to the contrary, but until he says otherwise, I think we should believe him. All people should have a right to experiment with gender if they feel like it, and maybe that's all he has been doing.
If he does ever say he's trans, then yeah, open arms and stuff. But I do have to say turning your early transition into a reality show circus (ahem, documentary) makes me nervous and seems crass, so i kind of hope it isn't going there.
Quote from: Jill F on January 29, 2015, 06:45:34 PM
Umm, no. Even if it was actually clever or funny.
I actually didn't mean it to be funny. I thought that when I made a slight malopropism saying Jenner and I groaned thinking someone in the media will think of that too. Probably a Rupert Murdoch owned paper.
Quote from: BunnyBee on January 30, 2015, 10:24:05 AM
He has said over and over that he's a man though, and explained away his plastic surgeries, saying they have nothing to do with his gender orientation. I'm not saying there aren't (kind of obvious?) signs to the contrary, but until he says otherwise, I think we should believe him.
Most of us go through some sort of denial before coming out. So I can understand this.
Quote from: BunnyBee on January 30, 2015, 10:24:05 AM
I do have to say turning your early transition into a reality show circus (ahem, documentary) makes me nervous and seems crass, so i kind of hope it isn't going there.
This scares me as well. It would be generate a lot of ratings, and she'd get a very healthy paycheck, but it would be very damaging to our community. Once again...we'd be the ones who lose.
Quote from: BunnyBee on January 30, 2015, 10:24:05 AM
He has said over and over that he's a man though, and explained away his plastic surgeries, saying they have nothing to do with his gender orientation. I'm not saying there aren't (kind of obvious?) signs to the contrary, but until he says otherwise, I think we should believe him. All people should have a right to experiment with gender if they feel like it, and maybe that's all he has been doing.
If he does ever say he's trans, then yeah, open arms and stuff. But I do have to say turning your early transition into a reality show circus (ahem, documentary) makes me nervous and seems crass, so i kind of hope it isn't going there.
Didn't Andreja peijic kind of dodge the questions about her gender identity before fully coming out?
Quote from: ImagineKate on January 30, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
Didn't Andreja peijic kind of dodge the questions about her gender identity before fully coming out?
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, but until he does, I just don't know about making presumptions. Like, as of this moment, time and time again he's said he isn't trans and has never once said otherwise.
But yeah, if I was a public figure facing transition I would have denied denied denied till I was ready to tell people on my own terms, and I wouldn't have wanted people speculating about me. I also would not transition publicly. That first year is so so rough y'all, and omg I was so awkward.
Quote from: BunnyBee on January 30, 2015, 04:56:12 PM
... That first year is so so rough y'all, and omg I was so awkward.
Ouch, yes. I cringe to think about it. :embarrassed:
I always thought if we weren't sure, it was proper etiquette (here) to use gender neutral terms? I used she earlier, because the presentation looks feminine to me. I think it's more appropriate than using "he" in this instance. Thoughts?
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 30, 2015, 05:05:38 PM
I always thought if we weren't sure, it was proper etiquette (here) to use gender neutral terms? I used she earlier, because the presentation looks feminine to me. I think it's more appropriate than using "he" in this instance. Thoughts?
Hugs, Devlyn
Ugh. I don't even know. I agree if we don't know, gender neutral probably is best, but in this case they have denied being trans and that is the only public position they have taken. I am not going out of my way to use masculine pronouns, and it will feel bad in retrospect if they do come out, but I just don't know what to do, honestly. You're right, gender neutral is probably better for now, just because they have stopped going out of their way to deny it recently. But at the same time, shouldn't we take people at their word till they say otherwise? Idk..
Quote from: BunnyBee on January 30, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
Ugh. I don't even know. I agree if we don't know, gender neutral probably is best, but in this case they have denied being trans and that is the only public position they have taken. I am not going out of my way to use masculine pronouns, and it will feel bad in retrospect if they do come out, but I just don't know what to do, honestly. You're right, gender neutral is probably better for now, just because they have stopped going out of their way to deny it recently. But at the same time, shouldn't we take people at their word till they say otherwise? Idk..
Gender neutral always works, though. If someone doesn't like being called they, it's on them. See what I did there? ;D
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: ImagineKate on January 30, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
Didn't Andreja peijic kind of dodge the questions about her gender identity before fully coming out?
Lana Wachowski was a good example of how to be famous and transition: just stay quiet and come out on your own terms. No spectacle, no circus. I admire how she handled things.
Quote from: Wynternight on January 30, 2015, 05:35:38 PM
Lana Wachowski was a good example of how to be famous and transition: just stay quiet and come out on your own terms. No spectacle, no circus. I admire how she handled things.
Maybe these are their terms? Not sure who gets to decide which way to come out is the good example.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: katiej on January 30, 2015, 02:26:47 PM
Most of us go through some sort of denial before coming out. So I can understand this.
This scares me as well. It would be generate a lot of ratings, and she'd get a very healthy paycheck, but it would be very damaging to our community. Once again...we'd be the ones who lose.
Ouch. People don't need our approval to become part of this community. The community won't lose anything, we gain a new voice. Saying that any transgender person damages the community is awful and exclusionary.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Wynternight on January 30, 2015, 05:35:38 PM
Lana Wachowski was a good example of how to be famous and transition: just stay quiet and come out on your own terms. No spectacle, no circus. I admire how she handled things.
Lana Wachowski is awesome! Have you all seen her acceptance speech for the HRC visibility award? (http://"http://youtu.be/crHHycz7T_c") It's really inspiring...definitely worth watching!
She's so cute
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2012%2F10%2F25%2Farticle-0-15ABE309000005DC-658_634x827.jpg&hash=b6ac112018712041e5187f99ca948c6ecfb8a88f)
Mom and I are finally going out tomorrow, which is the first time since I started taking T.
I hope she's not gonna out me to people when shopping for clothes...
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 30, 2015, 06:19:14 PM
Ouch. People don't need our approval to become part of this community. The community won't lose anything, we gain a new voice. Saying that any transgender person damages the community is awful and exclusionary.
Hugs, Devlyn
Nobody is sanctified or above reproach simply because they're trans. A media circus in a time when some trans people are getting mainstream recognition and critical praise doesn't benefit us, not when it's places like TMZ and trash tabloids driving the narrative.
Everyone with gender based differences is welcome in our community. And as a reminder here is a post Susan just made
Quote from: Susan on January 30, 2015, 07:26:05 PM
9 If you disagree with transgender individuals, or activities which cross gender boundaries take your arguments to a more appropriate web site. The same applies for our friends in the Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual communities.
I think we're all getting ahead of ourselves here anyway since this is all speculative.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 30, 2015, 06:19:14 PM
Ouch. People don't need our approval to become part of this community. The community won't lose anything, we gain a new voice. Saying that any transgender person damages the community is awful and exclusionary.
You misunderstand me.
No one is suggesting exclusion of any kind. But we absolutely do have a stake in this as the transgender community. Bruce Jenner earned his fame as an athlete on the world's biggest stage. The Kardashians
"earned" their fame with sex tapes, sensationalism, and a tv show that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
I'm hoping that if there is indeed a public coming out, that it be done in a way that portrays us as normal people, rather than feeding into the freak show stereotype that each of us has to fight against. Whether we like it or not, society's impression of us is influenced by well known people who come out as transgender.
We've received very positive reactions recently with TV shows like Transparent, Hit & Miss, and Orange is the New Black. And we have positive role models like Andreja Pejic, Lana Wachowski, and Chaz Bono now in the public eye. So now that we're starting to make real progress with how we're treated by the media, it would be a shame to have a setback with a Kardashian style reality series reminiscent of Jerry Springer sensationalism.
Again, no one is suggesting that we would exclude anyone. She would be arguably the most famous person to transition publicly, and it would be awesome for people to see her for who she is, not for who some TV producer thinks would generate the highest ratings (i.e. make them the most money).
Quote from: ImagineKate on January 30, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
Didn't Andreja peijic kind of dodge the questions about her gender identity before fully coming out?
Well, Andreja was feminine looking/acting/moving anyway.
She's NEVER claimed to be a (super)man, she's not a bio father to several children and she's wasn't/isn't into women (only)
Her transition was/is something personal and no reason to explain. It was obvious from the start of her career; almost a natural woman.
And the general public doesn't fuss about it. Silence even.
Bruce on the other hand has something to explain after behaving and claiming to be a (super)man and being a bio father of several children. And being into women only.
But Bruce's slow transition over several years was/is something very sensible to do....no one can ever understand why a straight, masculine man transitions into a MTF.
No one, except for the MTF community, where most MTF used to be straight (hyper)masculine men.
Quote from: katiej on January 31, 2015, 02:48:16 AM
You misunderstand me.
No one is suggesting exclusion of any kind. But we absolutely do have a stake in this as the transgender community. Bruce Jenner earned his fame as an athlete on the world's biggest stage. The Kardashians "earned" their fame with sex tapes, sensationalism, and a tv show that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
I'm hoping that if there is indeed a public coming out, that it be done in a way that portrays us as normal people, rather than feeding into the freak show stereotype that each of us has to fight against. Whether we like it or not, society's impression of us is influenced by well known people who come out as transgender.
We've received very positive reactions recently with TV shows like Transparent, Hit & Miss, and Orange is the New Black. And we have positive role models like Andreja Pejic, Lana Wachowski, and Chaz Bono now in the public eye. So now that we're starting to make real progress with how we're treated by the media, it would be a shame to have a setback with a Kardashian style reality series reminiscent of Jerry Springer sensationalism.
Again, no one is suggesting that we would exclude anyone. She would be arguably the most famous person to transition publicly, and it would be awesome for people to see her for who she is, not for who some TV producer thinks would generate the highest ratings (i.e. make them the most money).
I don't own a TV. I can't relate to what you're saying about Kardashians or reality shows at all. I don't think what kind of work someone does has any bearing on this at all. This is about a person who is (we assume) transitioning or acknowledging that they are transgender. Just a person. That's what we should focus on. The only stake we have in this is welcoming another soul to our fold.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Dahlia on January 31, 2015, 06:06:15 AM
Bruce on the other hand has something to explain after behaving and claiming to be a (super)man and being a bio father of several children. And being into women only.
:police:
I strongly recommand rereading the tos to everyone. More importantly section 10. The person here owes the transgender community NOTHING and further violations of tos 10 will not be tolerated.
10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason. This includes but is not limited to:
Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more or less legitimate, deserving, or real than any others
Posting any messages that engages in personal attacks and/or is actively or passively aggressive whatever the provocation.
This post is NOT about Bruce Jenner. I want to make that clear, but it is related. At the supermarket yesterday there was the usual array of tabloid and gossip magazines. It was interesting to me that even if I couldn't read English I would have known which ones are sympathetic just from the pictures of zir they chose to publish.
I would be unsurprised that there are 200 million people in America and billions world wide who don't care that I'm transitioning. Many more care about Bruce Jenner, whether zie is or not. It must be hellish to deal with.
Transitioning or not, my sympathies, Bruce Jenner, and now I'll leave you in peace.
Quote from: Myarkstir on January 31, 2015, 08:28:51 AM
:police:
I strongly recommand rereading the tos to everyone. More importantly section 10. The person here owes the transgender community NOTHING and further violations of tos 10 will not be tolerated.
10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason. This includes but is not limited to:
Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more or less legitimate, deserving, or real than any others
Posting any messages that engages in personal attacks and/or is actively or passively aggressive whatever the provocation.
To be fair though, (and I'm not disputing your decision here) I think the post was in context of he/she/zie is dropping hints it's almost as if an explanation is forthcoming and expected, not that anyone is demanding an explanation from Jenner.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 30, 2015, 05:05:38 PM
I always thought if we weren't sure, it was proper etiquette (here) to use gender neutral terms? I used she earlier, because the presentation looks feminine to me. I think it's more appropriate than using "he" in this instance. Thoughts?
Hugs, Devlyn
If one insists that one isn't transitioning, my inclination would be to respect one's wishes.
Quote from: ImagineKate on January 31, 2015, 09:35:44 AM
If one insists that one isn't transitioning, my inclination would be to respect one's wishes.
Agreed, and not to make it a battle of words, but not every transgender person transitions.
Hugs, Devlyn
This thread has ran its course
Locked.
All B. Jenner threads to be merged here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lol1puA78hE&feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lol1puA78hE&feature=share)
I just read about the car accident involving Bruce Jenner earlier today. He rear-ended another car, which pushed it into oncoming traffic, which resulted in another collision, which killed the driver of the car he hit.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/07/bruce-jenner-fatal-car-accident-pacific-coast-highway-malibu-photo-dead/
I post the link not for the article but for the comments. I made the mistake of reading them, and don't recommend that. It is essentially a very long expression of hate and ridicule, born largely but not entirely of ignorance, directed at the trans community. In other words, if anyone ever wonders why it's difficult to come out as trans, there's the reason on full display.
One comment section on one web site is not the whole world, I know. But it made me want to cry, because it feels like a potentially wonderful moment for our community has been snatched away.
Lora
(...)
A human being accidentally ends the life of another human being, and then random people feel the need to make penis jokes about it on the internet.
thats a sad reality we live in. and the aggressive lack of privacy for bruce is just sickening.
to be honest though, those comments dont even bother me that much. transphobia is just a result of a lot of ignorance, and i think in like 20 years from now we're gonna notice a huge decrease in transphobia overall. mass media loves to always be pushing the envelope. just think about the way gay people have been portrayed on tv over the past 3 decades. it used to be shocking to include a gay character, now its pretty normal. transgender characters on the other hand are still very shocking, so mass media is starting to shift its focus a little. slowly we are seeing more transgender characters on tv, which means more trans awareness, which means less ignorance. and, thanks to the progress that homosexuality has already made, acceptance of others is kinda trendy now among young people. as these younger generations get older, transsexualism will become much less shocking to anyone.
The local media news reported that Bruce did die in that accident as well.... So is there official report as to what did happen?
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on February 08, 2015, 03:38:28 AM
The local media news reported that Bruce did die in that accident as well.... So is there official report as to what did happen?
You can clearly see Bruce standing at the scene in half of the photos, so it seems unlikely that they later died.
I went ahead and looked at the comment section and was actually pretty surprised by how *little* trans hate I saw there. Honestly most of the hate there in general was directed at all women, not just trans women. Puts things in perspective a little bit.
This is terrible news. I feel appalled at the comments of the trolls when someone has died.
Is this what our society has become?
As someone whose life was affected by a fatal car accident I feel for all of those involved and whose lives will be forever changed.
I know mine was as I still struggle with PTSD as I witnessed seeing my mother die in front of my eyes at 9.
This was in the age where therapy was a dirty word and then the abuse started.
I feel so sad for them all. :'(
Jenner didn't die AFAIK.
One of my good friends started with the "freak" nonsense. His friends responded with the "he chopped his penis off" nonsense. Then it went on and on and on on Facebook.
I just don't know anymore. I don't even want to come out to this guy because he might view ME as how he views Jenner.
I really need to reevaluate who my friends are. I'm not getting a good vibe from some.
Trans advocates divided over impact of Bruce Jenner transition
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/02/11/trans-advocates-divided-impact-bruce-jenner-transition/ (http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/02/11/trans-advocates-divided-impact-bruce-jenner-transition/)
February 11, 2015 | by Michael K. Lavers
Transgender rights supporters remain divided over whether the speculation around former Olympian and reality TV star Bruce Jenner's reported transition from a man to a woman will have a positive impact on the trans community.