I am so blessed to have been born without an Adam's apple. I never felt so lucky because it works out since I'm a transgender woman.
Quote from: Cee Myk on December 01, 2014, 03:18:19 PM
I am so blessed to have been born without an Adam's apple. I never felt so lucky because it works out since I'm a transgender woman.
Congrats. I think they grow actually. Either way, unless they're super large, I don't think they're very visible. I don't have one either but I've met other TS who do & I hardly notice.
Mine is hardly noticeable but it's there. I can feel it but not really see it.
I never really developed one either. Lucky me!
I think all my T got trapped in mine, since it is as big as my nose (my nose is huge!), yet all my other body features are girly. My adams apple is not only huge it is very pointy...Looks like it is cutting thru my neck. It is the part of me that causes me the most dysphoria. :'(
Good thing its scarf season I guess.
Even the word "Adams apple" makes me shutter... :embarrassed:
You are very lucky Cee!
Love,
Jade
:-*
Yes, hurray for scarf season!
Wow. You're lucky. Lol. :)
Ouch. The thought of a trachea shave gives me the jitters! As long as you are happy.
When I was younger (before transition) I had a rather poking out adams apple as I also was really thin. While on hormone pills I was able to put weight on and it soon after covered my neck. Now you can't see any bumps on my neck. Some guy at a party a while ago who had previously been hitting on me was making a joke that went like this... how do you check if a person over in thialand is a ladyboy.... check for an adams apple. So I piped up saying that I am a transgendered person and I don't. He was stunned.
Arrrggghhh mines quite big :'( Trachea Shave is on my list...
It has shrunk slightly over the years, and as I have lost weight the muscles in my neck sort of hide it slightly (age thing :'() But its definitely there!
Those with small or none are soooo lucky!
L Katy
Yay to to no Adams apples, I'm glad I never developed one.
From all the people commenting saying that they don't have one either, it seems like it's not that out of the ordinary :p
I can't be clocked by my hands neither, the 2 way to tell is hand is big n if the index finger is bigger then the ring finger, my hands are about mid size n my index finger is smaller then my ring finger :)
Quote from: Clhoe G on December 02, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
I can't be clocked by my hands neither, the 2 way to tell is hand is big n if the index finger is bigger then the ring finger, my hands are about mid size n my index finger is smaller then my ring finger :)
That's true on me too, but I seriously DOUBT that has anything to do with it xD I'm pretty sure it's only a myth. I'm sure people are more than likely going to look at the size of someone's hands to determine their gender than bothering to even look at how to fingers are lined up
I've always been told I have effeminate hands. So, bottom line: people generally perceived me as transgender female long before I started the process of mentally understanding myself as such. People will always look at your traits, how you dress, what brands you wear, where you shop, what you eat, etceteras... As long as I am happy. Peace.
Quote from: Clhoe G on December 02, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
I can't be clocked by my hands neither, the 2 way to tell is hand is big n if the index finger is bigger then the ring finger, my hands are about mid size n my index finger is smaller then my ring finger :)
Phew, so relieved my index finger is shorter too.... Yay ;D
Still wish I had a small or no Adams Apple tho :'(
L Katy
I got one so big and pointy that it looked as if it was going to break my skin any time. Nothing that a lot of euros could not fix, though. I just wait for the scar to heal and by spring or summer stop wearing scarves.
Quote from: Hanazono on December 02, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
I don't think that's scientific ?
Plus, a more sure giveaway is the relative size of the hands compared to the rest of the body.
My hands can barely wrap around the pistol grip of a Sig P226, as a comparison.
It's sort of fairly scientific, sort of, n I sort of got it a little wrong, because all I really remembered about it was my findings on myself, which is pretty funny actually.
So I just went back n double checked it and here it is.
My index finger measures the same as my ring finger, but it looks like my index finger is shorter then my ring finger.
But here's the funny bit, with the typical female, the index finger measures the same as the ring finger or longer, but with the typical male the index finger measures shorter then the ring finger.
And even funnier, it should be noticeable with just a look, but that's not always the case.
So here's how to measure the D2:D4 ratio
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/02/article-1335155-0C53D032000005DC-118_468x460.jpg
Sorry all for the inaccurate information before
Yay! no adams apple for me either! And shorter ring finger...hmmmm...I wonder if that could be seen as a good indicator for my genetics with regard to HRT, yep, I think I'm gonna choose to believe that, lol
I look at guys hands a lot to guess how feminine or not... I think theres something to it.
I thought it was smaller index to ring ≒ masculine
No one is born with an adam's apple. It is a side effect of testosterone on the body, which causes the larynx to change shape and move lower in the throat. Babies don't have adam's apples, and few male children do either.
And yes, it means those trans kids who have supporting parents who put them on blockers then allow them to start HRT at 15-16 will grow up without any residual male side effects like that. :)
I've said this before and elsewhere but we are probably a generation or two away from where transitioners like you and me will almost no longer exist. If being trans comes to be accepted as a treatable medical condition in the next 50-75 years, very few children in first world nations will ever grow up in the wrong gender. The social awkwardness, the dealing with residual effects of testosterone poisoning - those will be things of the past.
So in a sense, as we come out into the public eye now, as we transition as adults, this could be a very temporary thing with the majority of trans kids transitioning when young and being socialized in the gender with which they identify. In a sense, I guess the period before modern medicine could be considered one era, and the eventual arrival of early treatment of trans conditions being another era, and we're the evolutionary transitional forms in between one era and the next, not destined to remain in any serious numbers, and maybe not even well understood if our history isn't preserved going forward.
I'm pretty sure everyone is born without an Adam's apple :P But I know what you mean, I don't have one either :)
Quote from: Clhoe G on December 03, 2014, 06:01:35 AM
It's sort of fairly scientific, sort of, n I sort of got it a little wrong, because all I really remembered about it was my findings on myself, which is pretty funny actually.
So I just went back n double checked it and here it is.
My index finger measures the same as my ring finger, but it looks like my index finger is shorter then my ring finger.
But here's the funny bit, with the typical female, the index finger measures the same as the ring finger or longer, but with the typical male the index finger measures shorter then the ring finger.
And even funnier, it should be noticeable with just a look, but that's not always the case.
So here's how to measure the D2:D4 ratio
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/02/article-1335155-0C53D032000005DC-118_468x460.jpg
Sorry all for the inaccurate information before
Every time I see your profile photo I think of Andrej Pejic
My index finger seems slightly shorter than the ring finger on the left hand, and on the right hand the index finger is dramatically shorter due to all those years of writing with a pen--deformed my fingers. Ugh! Next thing I know I'll be looking at my nose!!!! Eeek! LOL
Everybody is born and has a thyroid cartilage (adam apple). The thyroid cartilage is most prominent in man.
As far as the digit ratio, it is not an absolute sexual dimorphic feature, there a re plenty of cis female with "male ratios" and vice versa
just saying
The "adam apple," like other sexually dimorphic secondary sexual characteristics are less prominent in certain ethnicity of Asian origin
I feel fortunate that I don't have a showing Adam's Apple. With me being 6'7" I've had a few people look for one in such an obvious way it's almost comical. I once heard one woman say to another woman after being "examined" washing my hands on the women's bathroom "She's just a really tall woman, no Adam's apple."
Quote from: peky on December 03, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
Everybody is born and has a thyroid cartilage (adam apple). The thyroid cartilage is most prominent in man.
Well put and totally agree. Women have this, it's just not prominent in a cis woman.
Like Chloe, I have no Adams Apple either, plus very small hands and fairly small feet (UK size 7). Unfortunately my dysphoria, before I went back onto HRT over the last 20 years saw me put a lot of unwanted fat on my tummy. Its quite hdd now to lose it, but lose it I must otherwise I will never get the hour glass figure, although Corset training is helping.
Judith
Agreed Peky, everyone has one... just nice when you can't see it, naturally 8)
As for index finger, there is some scientific studies that suggest certain traits, found it on Wikipedia... Clhoe is right...
Luckily by re-looking and measuring my Index and Ring are almost identical...to hard to call :laugh: and my hands are small for a male... but fingers are not really narrow towards the nail...
Turned out to be a great topic Cee Myk :laugh:
L Katy
Quote from: TSJasmine on December 03, 2014, 05:44:46 PM
Every time I see your profile photo I think of Andrej Pejic
My Mun keeps saying the same thing, like "you to could be sister's", I really don't see it myself, tho I keep getting told that. But funny enough I do have the same mole pattern on my right cheak.