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Community Conversation => Transsexual talk => Male to female transsexual talk (MTF) => Topic started by: stephaniec on December 29, 2014, 11:48:00 AM

Title: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: stephaniec on December 29, 2014, 11:48:00 AM
 I was just wondering about others results from the facial recognition sites. I use Pictriev  quite a bit and I have to wonder sometimes about the results. The vast majority of time I'm gendered female which is an ego booster, but when you look at the star look a likes it makes you wonder if there is something amiss , just curious how others feel about the results and reality
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: lindagrl on December 29, 2014, 12:24:18 PM
Well that ruined my day.  Used a rather old pic of me and got 92% masculine.  That does it, not looking in the mirror again until after 2 years on HRT
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Tori on December 29, 2014, 12:27:11 PM
Not valid.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Broken-hearted on December 29, 2014, 12:44:14 PM
Don't feel too bad. I got 99% masculine 1% feminine. What a joke. It even posted pictures of other people that look nothing like me, they were all men too! 
I'm not posting any photos but all I'll say is that I was born a woman. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

All I'm saying is don't rely on it and certainly don't let it get you down!
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: ImagineKate on December 29, 2014, 12:51:01 PM
Stupid thing tells me I look like Michelle Obama. I don't!
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: lindagrl on December 29, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: Broken-hearted on December 29, 2014, 12:44:14 PM
Don't feel too bad. I got 99% masculine 1% feminine. What a joke. It even posted pictures of other people that look nothing like me, they were all men too! 
I'm not posting any photos but all I'll say is that I was born a woman. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

All I'm saying is don't rely on it and certainly don't let it get you down!

Thanks Broken-Hearted, it was just a poor attempt at humor.
i actually like my face, minus the yucky facial hair.
Apparently i look 83% like someone named Giovanni Ribisi
and he looks pretty feminine to me.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: stephaniec on December 29, 2014, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: ImagineKate on December 29, 2014, 12:51:01 PM
Stupid thing tells me I look like Michelle Obama. I don't!
I got that one too
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Broken-hearted on December 29, 2014, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: lindagrl on December 29, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
Thanks Broken-Hearted, it was just a poor attempt at humor.
i actually like my face, minus the yucky facial hair.
Apparently i look 83% like someone named Giovanni Ribisi
and he looks pretty feminine to me.

Well at least you got 92% feminine unlike me and my 99% masculine !!  ???
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: April_TO on December 29, 2014, 01:18:58 PM
This is really interesting as I have tried uploading a pic pre HRT (make up and hair) and post HRT and the percentage of attributes do show the difference.
I got almost 50/50 pre HRT and post HRT will range between 96 - 98 % feminine.

Oh boy - however, I do agree that this is not the be all and end all of womanhood.

Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: lindagrl on December 29, 2014, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: Broken-hearted on December 29, 2014, 01:11:18 PM
Well at least you got 92% feminine unlike me and my 99%  ???

Like you said, you were born a woman and so was i, so tongue out to that silly page  :)
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: stephaniec on December 29, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
I keep getting a Betty White comparison
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Miss_Bungle1991 on December 29, 2014, 01:52:20 PM
I don't waste my time with those stupid things anymore. It's absurd. I go by how the general public perceives me. I do pretty good by that.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Elsa Delyth on December 29, 2014, 04:16:49 PM
Nah, it's just a computer algorithm, working on rough generalities. If I have any shadow I'll get like 98% masculine, but if I'm clean shaven, I'll get in the 90s feminine -- and I'm fairly confident that no one on the street would agree.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: katrinaw on December 29, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
50/50 accuracy IMHO

L Katy
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Ms Grace on December 29, 2014, 06:05:02 PM
Last time I tried I think it was 83% female and 15 years old (aw shucks, flattery will get you everywhere!!)

Also, apparently I most look like Bindi Irwin!!
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Sammy on December 29, 2014, 06:09:09 PM
Well, I just run two pictures which were taken with an interval of about 30 secs, and one showed that I am 68 male / 32 female at 35 years, and the other one was like 38 male / 62 female at 20!!! years. The best result age-wise so far ever :). I will take that :). Ah, dang it, I am gonna upload that one as the new avatar :D.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: kelly_aus on December 29, 2014, 06:16:14 PM
I ran a pic of my adopted daughter through it.. 74% female. 26% male and age 34.. It lies..

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSPnsJpk.jpg&hash=a406b545d5c1c32c4f580d6769e0fa5c4b07d5ef)
That's her..
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Ms Grace on December 29, 2014, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on December 29, 2014, 06:09:09 PM
...I am gonna upload that one as the new avatar :D.

Bit cold there, huh? :)
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Sammy on December 29, 2014, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ms Grace on December 29, 2014, 06:24:54 PM
Bit cold there, huh? :)

You mean up here?  >:-)
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Zoetrope on December 29, 2014, 07:55:38 PM
Ok, I took a bite.

Found the site. (pictriev) Threw my profile pic in.

*** slight edit.

first pic was 43% male, 57% female, which I was happy with cause I identify inbetween ...

<- I just put in this other profile pic which I had rejected.


I almost had a heart attack. 100% female, 27 years old.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Seras on December 29, 2014, 08:31:08 PM
They are a load up rubbish. Put my face in mostly male change my hair mostly female. Keep hair, change lighting, mostly male. Pictriev especially is bad. The other one Rekognition is inaccurate too, that one loves gendering me female and has done for a long long time mostly because I have long hair I feel.

If you want feedback on how you look submit pictures on a website such as this or elsewhere and get people to look.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Handy on December 29, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
Do not take those sites seriously; they will only provide a mild ego boost or destroy your self-esteem.

I've loaded pictures of myself into those sites and landed ALL over the spectrum. The slightest angle/off shadow/blur can dramatically impact your results.

No one has a perfect system for identifying male or female, or masculine/feminine appearance by facial features, not by a LONG shot.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Donna Elvira on December 30, 2014, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: kelly_aus on December 29, 2014, 06:16:14 PM
I ran a pic of my adopted daughter through it.. 74% female. 26% male and age 34.. It lies..

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSPnsJpk.jpg&hash=a406b545d5c1c32c4f580d6769e0fa5c4b07d5ef)
That's her..

Hi Kelly,
Based on my gut feeling on seeing the image you posted I was a bit intrigued so I did a screen copy of your adopted daughter's photo and uploaded it.

Result: 95% female!
Age: 12 (OK, I assume she's a lot older than that... ?)  :)

It sort of begs the question, did you use the same image for your test?

Without wishing to force the issue, I suspect that if you took a sample of the avatar photos that are posted here, the results would also mostly be in line with your gut feelings... The fact of the matter is that while a "perfect" system certainly does not exist, there are more than enough characteristics of "typical" male and female faces (height width ratios, chin shape and size, forehead shape and size, eye size, size and shape of nose, upper lip height, fullness of cheeks, skin texture....) for most of us to able to instantly distinguish a male face from a female face and it can't be too difficult to codify at least some of these characteristics into a software programme.  For those that are interested, you can find a good read on the subject here: http://www.virtualffs.co.uk/My_Facial_Feminisation_Thesis.html (http://www.virtualffs.co.uk/My_Facial_Feminisation_Thesis.html)
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Skeptoid on December 30, 2014, 03:03:37 AM
Rekognition pisses me off. It'll tell me female for like nine pictures in a row then randomly decide one that is almost exactly the same as another is male. If I take it in somewhat dark lighting it's male. If I take it in bright lighting it's usually female. Except if I pull my hair back it decides male pretty much no matter what. I also tried feeding it a picture of my brother's extremely feminine wife and it said one of her pictures was male too.

Anyway, I do it to amuse myself still and stroke my ego regardless of the fact that it's a bunch of crap. The celebrity recognition most often says I look like Bryce Dallas Howard (not ->-bleeped-<-ing true at all) and Sibel Kekilli (seriously now?) so no trust from me at all.

Probably the most accurate face recognition I've tried is OKCupid.
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: Zoetrope on December 30, 2014, 03:27:30 AM
I think it calculates the whole thing on eyes and chin, which yeah camera angle+makeup can augment ...

It's a bit of fun  :D
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: stephaniec on December 30, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
I think it's quite fun , but I wouldn't bet the house and farm on it. I'm somewhere in between Angelina Jolie  and Jesse Jackson according to it
Title: Re: do you think the results you get from the face recognition site valid
Post by: ImagineKate on December 30, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: SarahBoo on December 30, 2014, 03:27:30 AM
I think it calculates the whole thing on eyes and chin, which yeah camera angle+makeup can augment ...

It's a bit of fun  :D

Other face recognition I've worked with takes faces and averages them out (an oversimplification, but that works). It appears as though pictriev is using celebrity faces to do this.