Hey folks,
I'm being an impatient kittehtrans, and I understand breast growth can take years.
When I started HRT six months ago, I had a huge spurt of growth after the first month. Hardness, tenderness, just general crazy growth. Then it stopped. It hasn't started again for months and I'm getting a little worried. I'm wondering if somehow the spike in estradiol or the sharp decline of testosterone triggered the growth spurt and I wonder if there may be a way to replicate that trigger (under doctor's supervision of course).
Does anyone have insight into this? Am I just being way too impatient?
This is by no means an advice, but something kinda similar to "retriggering' happened when I was off HRT for about one week and when restarted then... things become itchy and sore again.
Hi Lady,
I heard you have to do breast massages twice a day to encourage breast growth. It encourages the blood to flow throughout your body especially in the girls area.
Hope this helps.
April
6 months......you have to give it time. Hell mine are still growing and have been on mone's a lot longer than you! It's a very long slow process I too have been on the boob rollercoaster of fluctuation. All I can say is eat right, exercise and you will be fine.
+1 for massaging.
Also, breasts grow...then they slow...then they grow again. Try not to think in terms of months; cis-women breasts grow over several years during puberty/early adulthood.
Growth spurts come and go, at least it has for me. I've had long periods of time where nothing seemingly has happened and then suddenly it all starts up again. Patience and good diet will likely mean another growth spurt is soon to happen again.
Massaging as others have noted can be be beneficial to encourage greater blood flow in developing tissue.
If it is HRT related, you may want to consult with your doctor/endo to see how your levels are and perhaps up your dosage according to their opinion.
All good points. Emily, that's interesting.
Check this out:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1472-6823-8-10.pdf
My serum levels of estradiol are typically in the high twenties pg/mL, which is not typical of a cis-girl during puberty. Perhaps backing down on estradiol will help?
Thoughts?
Something I noticed as a pattern after it happened a few times is that I had "dormant" periods that were NOT lack of growth - they were laying the groundwork for another growth spurt. Sort of like how kids in puberty will sometimes gain weight and then suddenly shoot up three inches. :) So my breasts would seem to not be developing at all for weeks or months, and then seemingly overnight I'd add half a cup size. It's entirely possible that something similar is happening for you, and fairly shortly you'll see another round of development.
Also, fat redistribution is very very slow and mature breasts are about 2/3 fat. So the glandular development can happen in a rush, but the fat layering is gradual and subtle. If, as I suspect, the body alternates fat layering with glandular growth after the initial growth spurt of breast buds etc., a few months of very slight (but real) changes is typical.
Quote from: LadyoftheRockies on January 02, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
All good points. Emily, that's interesting.
Check this out:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1472-6823-8-10.pdf
My serum levels of estradiol are typically in the high twenties pg/mL, which is not typical of a cis-girl during puberty. Perhaps backing down on estradiol will help?
Thoughts?
Too many numbers and complicated graphs in that article :). I dunno, maybe having some sort of estradiol deficit which is then replenished might have certain influence, but I would not suggest experimenting with that unless You are very sure about what You are doing. In my case, it was sort of emergency cause my liver threw some tantrums and that spurt of breast growth came as some kind of totally unexpected side effect.
Jena, that's what I was thinking. My body is sure taking its sweet time with laying that foundation!
The first table in that page is really the cool one. It's average estradiol level in different age groups of pubescent cis girls throughout the day. You'll see ages on the left, time in military notation on the top, and pg/mL estradiol as the value. These tests subjects never even got up to my test numbers!!
Yeah, mine have had insane growth spurts as well as slower growth. It slowed down considerably right around the five/six month marker. They've had a couple of new spurts since then and a lot of extreme tenderness (to the point that right now I'm having difficulties sleeping at times).
Having said that, does anybody have any links to good massage guides? It probably requires something more precise than mashing them around randomly.
^second that with reliable data (was reading some bull about if you rub clockwise they grow and counterclockwise they shrink. Please, what is this, the dark ages?)
Quote from: LadyoftheRockies on January 02, 2015, 09:16:37 AM
^second that with reliable data (was reading some bull about if you rub clockwise they grow and counterclockwise they shrink. Please, what is this, the dark ages?)
Looool :).
Maybe find a guy to do this for Ya? ;)
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on January 02, 2015, 09:21:12 AM
Looool :).
Maybe find a guy to do this for Ya? ;)
Ew... No. Lol, I'm not interested in men, but good suggestion. My partner does her share ;)
If you aren't on progesterone I find that really does make a diff. I started on it in the middle of last year and then experience dsome slow but steady growth ever since, where there had been virtually none for the first several years of HRT for me.
3 months away from my 3 year mark and I'm still seeing changes. You have to understand that breasts growth is a very gradual process. We all mature at different rates too and for me I had a bunch of growth in the first year and then it stopped for about 6 months and then it started up again which lasted a few months. I just finally got my 2nd breast bud last year during the summer I think, so now there's this whole new phase growth happening right now. They're finally looking like adult boobs lol.
Hmmmm Obvious questions first. DIY or medically supervised? If the latter, what did the doc say?
The type of estrogen (conjugated vs synthetic) and the delivery route (pills, patches, shots, implants) all are up for grabs. (or YMMV) None of the women in my TG group ever stopped at one. Plus, as I personally found out, the source of the E, in the case of shots, made a BIG difference. Domestic vs India/SEA. Domestic FAR better ;D, almost like the first time
Too high of an E level is actually counterproductive. Perhaps that explains why so many endos like an E2 reading of around 200 pg/ml. Though I've also seen many gender center clients report that all the doc seemed interested in was T level and physical results. I know w/o an AA my T will creep back up to lowish normal male. Probably totally normal for a 58 y/o dinosaur. My E was around 300 a couple of days after a shot.
As an old timer in the TS world I know in eons past that many women reported better results mimicking a normal womans cycle of 3 weeks on E and then off a week, or taking Provera. Not sure what the current literature says. As said elsewhere, check with the doc
BTW - I was just reading elsewhere in a medical book that bouncing boobies or massaging is actually true. I know since HRT I often take the stairs rather then the lift ;D
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on January 02, 2015, 09:21:12 AM
Looool :).
Maybe find a guy to do this for Ya? ;)
^ yes this please! Mine are still tiny and it's becoming quite the let down as I've had no growth out of them in over 5 months and I'm starting into month 10 of HRT. I will try this message you speak of, but having a man to assist me would be quite nice lol.
Mine are still getting bigger. Now filling and overflowing a C cup....
And I'm only on low dose after 15 months. ???
Looks like just in life everyone responds differently to e.
Quote from: CrissyMarie on January 02, 2015, 09:13:49 PM
^ yes this please! Mine are still tiny and it's becoming quite the let down as I've had no growth out of them in over 5 months and I'm starting into month 10 of HRT. I will try this message you speak of, but having a man to assist me would be quite nice lol.
I had the same but I am in my 13th month of E now and they have been waking up again. So don't worry about it IMO.
Update: so I actually cited the wrong paper, and my levels are about average for a cis teenage girl. I also saw some natural outliers and saw the concentration of e in the evening, peaking in the middle of the night, so I did something reckless: I added another sublingual tablet before bed. Everything responded well physically but I had a few days of crippling depression, so... That was a thing.
Anywho, seems like they woke up for a sec and then went right back to just being themselves. I'm going to drop back down to my other level and start massaging twice a day to see if that helps. I have a very broad chest and shoulders, so I want to do everything in my power to encourage growth.
Thank you all for the feedback!
Quote from: LadyoftheRockies on January 02, 2015, 09:16:37 AM
^second that with reliable data (was reading some bull about if you rub clockwise they grow and counterclockwise they shrink. Please, what is this, the dark ages?)
Wax on, Wax off