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Title: Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
Post by: LostInTime on August 21, 2007, 08:33:54 AM
Tuscaloosa News (http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20070821/ZNYT04/708210354/1001/TL23)
BENEDICT CAREY

"What happened to Bailey is important, because the harassment was so extraordinarily bad and because it could happen to any researcher in the field," said Alice Dreger, an ethics scholar and patients' rights advocate at Northwestern who, after conducting a lengthy investigation of Dr. Bailey's actions, has concluded that he is essentially blameless.
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After consulting with Dr. Conway, four of the transgender women who spoke to Dr. Bailey during his reporting for the book wrote letters to Northwestern, complaining that they had been used as research subjects without having given, or been asked to sign, written consent.

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This site requires a subscription and I am going to link another place that will probably have a copy, some time today.

Posted on: August 21, 2007, 08:32:57


Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/health/psychology/21gender.html)
Title: Re: Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
Post by: Dennis on August 21, 2007, 09:49:21 AM
I don't agree with the theory but this:

QuoteThe site also included a link to the Web page of another critic of Dr. Bailey's book, Andrea James, a Los Angeles-based transgender advocate and consultant. Ms. James downloaded images from Dr. Bailey's Web site of his children, taken when they were in middle and elementary school, and posted them on her own site, with sexually explicit captions that she provided. (Dr. Bailey is a divorced father of two.) Ms. James said in an e-mail message that Dr. Bailey's work exploited vulnerable people, especially children, and that her response echoed his disrespect.

did more damage to us than any crackpot theory. How could anyone think that that is an acceptable tactic?

Dennis
Title: Re: Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
Post by: Seshatneferw on August 21, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
Um. So it was not bad science because 'the book did not qualify as scientific research'? All right, I'm willing to accept that. I don't think it's enough to dismiss all the ethical issues, though. In a sense, it's even worse for a psychology professor to present controversial theories in the form of a popularised book than as a proper scientific study.

Of course, I haven't looked at this mess thoroughly enough to make any judgements. Perhaps I should.

  Nfr
Title: Re: Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
Post by: Dennis on August 21, 2007, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: regina on August 21, 2007, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: Dennis on August 21, 2007, 09:49:21 AM
I don't agree with the theory but this:

QuoteThe site also included a link to the Web page of another critic of Dr. Bailey's book, Andrea James, a Los Angeles-based transgender advocate and consultant. Ms. James downloaded images from Dr. Bailey's Web site of his children, taken when they were in middle and elementary school, and posted them on her own site, with sexually explicit captions that she provided. (Dr. Bailey is a divorced father of two.) Ms. James said in an e-mail message that Dr. Bailey's work exploited vulnerable people, especially children, and that her response echoed his disrespect.

did more damage to us than any crackpot theory. How could anyone think that that is an acceptable tactic?

Dennis

The NY Times story is filled with a lot of other inaccuracies, are you sure this actually happened?

Gina  M.

If it didn't, Ms. James should be looking at suing for libel and defamation, because it's an appalling accusation if false.

Dennis
Title: Re: Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
Post by: Thundra on August 21, 2007, 07:25:50 PM
I find it difficult to accept with all due gullibility, that a guy that presented inflammatory theories disguised as a book that was supposedly academically researched, was trying to put forward a serious scientific argument after giving his book the title, "The Man Who Would Be Queen."  Gimme a break. I remember when this first came out. Leigh was livid.

And now he is seeking sympathy from the medical community, and they are rallying around him. Do I need to say I told you so?!  They don't give a damn about you. This is another example of what they really think of all of you. You are their pets, and nothing more.

____ that guy. I swear I'm going to ____________.
Title: Re: Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 21, 2007, 08:51:12 PM
I fight fact vs anecdotal evidence every day in my business.  It's strange too... because I'm in the physical sciences where my issues can be easily supported with hard evidence.  BUT  NOOOOO. 

It's easy to see how this all happens in our little part of the world of GID.... there's a market for it and money to be made.

Cindi