I have a question about why men pee standing up while women sit down. Is it because of the genitalia differences and it's easier/convenient to do it that way or is it just simply a part of the social construction of gender? By the way, I am not referring to anything transgender here but I didn't know where to put this topic at.
I don't know, great question. Male and female animals urinate differently too. Let's hang out while the panel of experts figures this out. :laugh:
Woman -> to not pee on themselves
Men -> better to pee on somthing.
Outside of humanity pee that is its pheremones and/or stink is used for marking teritory so males more often then not cock legs to pee on variouse things to creat a phremone picket fence saying I live here this is mine.
Females pee is used to anounce their presence and if they are on heat it is distinks in their pee. (Pee is a large part of partener finding out side of humanity.
With humans though we no longer use these pheremones (or preffer not to) and so pee becomes completelly desposable. So in humans I would say the difference is more convienience. And in animals more due to how pee pheramoans are used.
That said my old fem doggy, cocked her leg, and I have seen male dogs squat.
So my advise is, if you don't have a hose and don't want it on yourself sit down.
Just asumption not fact, but still my two cents
I will of course never be able to find it out for myself personally but is it actually difficult to pee sitting if the person has a bio penis? Is it convenient to position it to the toilet bowl while sitting down? It makes me teary eyed just asking this question...
Many men seem to treat it as a superiority behavior. I've heard repeated often by men "You're not a man if you sit" like as if you're a wimp or submissive, or worse "a woman". It seems to be a bizarre ego thing since toilets were always meant for sitting, and standing at one causes all sorts of messy splashing on and around the toilet. Quite frankly I'm getting sick and tired of finding four out of five seats pissed on in the public men's washroom at work just because a lot of men have an ego problem. The only time I will use a urinal any longer is if the toilets are too disgusting. I realize that women aren't always the cleanest but ever since I've started using the women's washrooms when I'm presenting female I've yet to encounter a seat in such a condition as I wouldn't sit on it. I seriously look forward to the day I go full-time because the toilets are going to be better in the women's washrooms 99.9% of the time.
It really isn't difficult for anyone with a "bio penis" to pee sitting. I'm not saying every male has an ego issue - whatever you learned as a kid seems to have more of an effect on the habit. Overall a cultural shift is due so that parents can instill the correct behavior in their children. The only reason a toilet seat is supposed to hinge-up is for cleaning purposes!!!
I would occasionally end up dipping the head of my penis in cold water, which was unpleasant. Doesn't happen since HRT. Also, standing doesn't require that you undress quite so much. When naked and in the woods squating is of no benefit to humans with penises if you're only peeing.
I've tried standing a couple of times, when I've been on long walks in remote areas, and there's something just so much more satisfying about it. Probably though, that's because I see it as something men do. It would be interesting to know when / how this started. Maybe because toilets weren't considered clean enough to sit on at some point, so if you could stand you would?
Quote from: makipu on January 31, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
I will of course never be able to find it out for myself personally but is it actually difficult to pee sitting if the person has a bio penis? Is it convenient to position it to the toilet bowl while sitting down? It makes me teary eyed just asking this question...
No not at all I peed sitting for 17 years before my srs. Now itv pretty much mandatory post srs. Men pee standing up cause a) its "what men do" and b) its convenient and faster. No need to pull down pants.
Sit-down toilets are a relatively recent invention. In many parts of the world, they're still basically a hole in the floor, maybe with somewhere "official" to put one's feet, and squatting is the norm for women and for anyone doing #2. Standing is far more comfortable than squatting, so why wouldn't a person stand to pee if they were equipped to do so?
Bonus factoid: In Victorian and earlier times, European and American women wore no underwear beneath all those skirts and petticoats. They could, and did, "go" anywhere (outdoors) easily, and in complete modesty.
Males just have to unzip, reach in (with thumb and forefinger*), pull it out and whizz.
Then stuff it back in (after shaking it to get the last dribble or two out..."if you shake it more than twice, you're playing with it!").
Easy-breezy.
*Most cis-women that I've talked to seem to think holding a penis to pee requires two hands...not sure where they got that idea, but generally when flaccid it only requires two, at most three fingers (including the thumb). Because it is relatively short, accidentally dunking it in the water when sitting requires both an extra-long penis (a"show-er") as well as deep water in the bowl.
Yes, one can pee when erect...but it has to be held straight out, one can't pee on the shoes with that.
Hope this helps understand some aspects of male urination LOL.
Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 31, 2015, 05:24:23 PM
Males just have to unzip, reach in (with thumb and forefinger*), pull it out and whizz.
Then stuff it back in (after shaking it to get the last dribble or two out..."if you shake it more than twice, you're playing with it!").
Easy-breezy.
*Most cis-women that I've talked to seem to think holding a penis to pee requires two hands...not sure where they got that idea, but generally when flaccid it only requires two, at most three fingers (including the thumb). Because it is relatively short, accidentally dunking it in the water when sitting requires both an extra-long penis (a"show-er") as well as deep water in the bowl.
Yes, one can pee when erect...but it has to be held straight out, one can't pee on the shoes with that.
Hope this helps understand some aspects of male urination LOL.
I don't know about that. Around here you get seventy five shakes! >:-)
Quote from: Tysilio on January 31, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Sit-down toilets are a relatively recent invention. In many parts of the world, they're still basically a hole in the floor, maybe with somewhere "official" to put one's feet, and squatting is the norm for women and for anyone doing #2. Standing is far more comfortable than squatting, so why wouldn't a person stand to pee if they were equipped to do so?
Bonus factoid: In Victorian and earlier times, European and American women wore no underwear beneath all those skirts and petticoats. They could, and did, "go" anywhere (outdoors) easily, and in complete modesty.
The no underwear is fascinating, but it makes complete sense. No sit-down toilets are still common in many places in the world. Like Japan.
I do find it interesting that in the western world, every men's washroom that was not single stall has a urinal, but you would never see one is someones home. To some degree it has become part of the culture.
Quote from: JoanneB on January 31, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
Because it is not (yet) illegal?
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It's easy to over think this and I think the answer is pretty obvious if you consider the differences in anatomy that the majority of men and women have.
Most men urinate while standing because it's quicker and more convenient it's also a lot easier to be discreet in places where there aren't any restrooms plus wiping isn't always necessary if you can shake it off. And contrary to what the Swedish Left believes it's actually more sanitary for the individual to stand up and urinate because there aren't any chances of accidentally dunking your junk in the toilet water or having your junk come into contact with things like a dirty toilet seat when you're standing.
Given the anatomy of a majority of women, urinating while standing is much less convenient because the ladies would have to remove a significant amount of clothing to do so. Squatting puts a lot of stress on the bladder and other organs too and it's necessary for women to wipe afterwards so it's easier to just sit in that case.
I don't think the physical act of urinating standing up vs. urinating while sitting is a social construct at all but the importance people place on each act is.
A lot of men do seem to view urinating while standing as superior to sitting down and I have a theory about that. At a very young age most boys urinate while sitting until they master being able to stand to urinate. For that reason, I think some men tend to view others who sit to urinate as being immature or below them because it seems like they can't understand how to urinate like a grown man. Men also apply this to women too who are sometimes already juvenilized thanks to something known as neoteny so the fact that women urinate while sitting like very young boys do just reinforces the unconscious idea that women are more juvenile than men.
But now I'm starting to over think it.
Men pee standing up because it is quick, easy and fast. When men are doing #2 they most often pee too.
When I pee seated I need to pay close attention because I am very small and I need to position so I do not make a mess and I have to use TP.
At work a men's room typically has 2 urinals and 1 toilet or have 2 urinals and 5 toilets. I have only a few times seen pee on a toilet seat at work in 28 years.
I stood for many years. However, I always found it to be uncomfortable standing next to another guy at the urinals. Eventually I got tired of frequently getting splashes on my trousers or getting the last spurt in them after tucking if back in.
I started sitting over 17 years ago and found it to be more relaxing and comfortable in spite of taking a little longer. The biggest problem is finding enough stalls in most men's restrooms, frequently only one. Once I started sitting I never stood again. Now I have become pareniod of standing and never (not under any circumstances except in the shower) consider the possibility of standing.
I doubt that it is mothers who teach boys to stand.
My wife knows that I sit at home and has seen me sit when we have gone in single user facilities when out. I don't what she thinks about it as she has never commented about it. I guess she approves and maybe even approves of it at home.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 31, 2015, 05:54:54 PM
I don't know about that. Around here you get seventy five shakes! >:-)
Many hands make light work!
;)
I heard a discussion among some mothers who all said they taught their boys to pee sitting down because it was so much easier to keep the bathroom clean. On the same note, i hate squat toilets (like in Japan) because they always stink from pee that has missed the target (even in the female toilets).
I remember doggie-sitting a female who would do a handstand against telephone poles in order to pee higher.
If you don't ever plan srs, then think about a transcrotal piercing. I have one with a corset and basically have my penis tucked between my legs all the time. Then the corset piercings hides it. Sitting to pee is no problem then when the head sits where a woman's urine comes out;) I've had this for a few years and it releases srs plus get to keep penis for wife!
Being 6'5" peeing standing up at a toilet never seemed like a good idea. I've been sitting since I was young. Maybe I was lazy, but sitting down is easier than standing up. :) That being said, at work, in a porta-john, I only sit if I have to. lol.
At home, I sit. That started when I was a stay at home dad and responsible for all the house cleaning. I cant stand cleaning a bathroom to begin with, and I very quickly realized all that yellow crap & the curly hairs on the toilet & floor were because of me standing to pee. Don't want clean it? Don't make the mess :)
In public, Im not about to sit on that nasty damn toilet seat if I don't have to. I always use the urinal if its there.
I do know that men often seem to have a need to express their macho male-ness by peeing as loudly as possible into the deepest part of the toilet while standing as far back as possible. Some kind of competitive 'got a thick loud stream, therefore a horse-sized penis' kinda thing. And others seem to do the same peeing against the ceramic of a urinal. Frankly, I always snickered a bit when they'd walk to the sink to rinse their hands with splash-back sprinkles all over the front of their tan or gray slacks. Or the standers who sprinkle-splashed on their lower pantlegs. And made me wonder how they deal in summer with shorts & bare legs LOL. or maybe eew?
I don't think Arab men stand (unless there's no toilet around obviously), so at least part of it is cultural.
This whole thing made me realize that some cis women actually stand to pee possibly because they don't want to get germs from the toilet seats because whenever I went to public bathrooms at the malls or stations ALMOST ALL of the toilet seats had splashes of urine on them.
Speaking of dirty; throughout my years in high school I continuously saw their disgusting unflushed bloody mess in the toilet bowls.
Quote from: Cynobyte on January 31, 2015, 10:25:20 PM
If you don't ever plan srs, then think about a transcrotal piercing. I have one with a corset and basically have my penis tucked between my legs all the time. Then the corset piercings hides it. Sitting to pee is no problem then when the head sits where a woman's urine comes out;) I've had this for a few years and it releases srs plus get to keep penis for wife!
I am confused. A piercing and tucking, how does that work for peeing?
I've always just sat. more comfortable and you can read. lol if I am somewhere disgusting where sitting is not an option I stand. I've been told that some ladies do the hover method so as not to touch the seat. half sit half stand
A transcrotal piercing is a hole all the way through the scrotum. I can fit my thumb in it. Then the corset piercings pull the sac together to hide the scrotum making it somewhat close to a female slit. Took a couple years of design, but it gives me the best of both worlds. Plus my penis head works as a large clit and makes orgasms so easy. Where I used to have an orgasm once a day or so as a male, thinking as a female and my mod, I can have multiple orgasms that last a very long time. Plus the I can switch and please my wife too;)
Quote from: makipu on January 31, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
I will of course never be able to find it out for myself personally but is it actually difficult to pee sitting if the person has a bio penis? Is it convenient to position it to the toilet bowl while sitting down? It makes me teary eyed just asking this question...
I'm biologically male and I sit down to pee. In fact, I pee EXACTLY like a girl.
I used to sit and pee when I was a kid. Then my dad had a problem with it. He claimed that I was messing up the toilet. (yeah, right.)
I used urinals a lot but recently I have stopped using them when I use the men's which is pretty much only at work now.
I sit down now. I really can't stand up and pee properly now. It's kind of hard with the clothes I wear plus doing it in the women's room is going to out me.
Quote from: makipu on January 31, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
I will of course never be able to find it out for myself personally but is it actually difficult to pee sitting if the person has a bio penis? Is it convenient to position it to the toilet bowl while sitting down? It makes me teary eyed just asking this question...
It depends on how big. Some bio males are well endowed and have issues. Some (like me) have small ones where it is no problem at all.
(good God I never thought I'd be proud of having a small penis).
Why does there have to be a difference? We all have to do it. Why must we be segregated?
The other day when I went in the men's room in a large chain store there was only one stall
and some guy was camped out in it. How I wished I could use the women's room where
where there was at least three stalls.
I am a retired kidney doctor. And, despite all of the jokes and give and take, there is a physiological reason for the way that men and women typically urinate. The kidneys and ureters, which connect to the bladder are the same in both. The bladder is of the same size, although the wall tends to be thinner in females; but, the big difference comes from it's location and the length and position of the urethra. The bladder rests on the pelvic floor for everyone, but, in women it is situated behind the uterus and most of the urethra is actually embedded in the top of the vagina. The female urethra is only in one section, which is very short. In males, the urethra is in 3 sections and is much longer at about 8 inches. It travels through the prostrate and the entire length of the penis. Women can pee standing up, but the urethral opening is small and hidden, usually in the labial folds, and it takes some practice to "guide" the stream. Some women use paper cones and can avoid sitting on public toilet seats with some positioning of the labia. But, the big thing, is that the seated position gives the best anatomic angle and, with the help of gravity and muscle contraction the most favorable way for women to pee. Men, because of the length of the ureter and the directed urine stream from the penis need more help from gravity and pelvic muscles. As well, men tend to get thickened prostates with age or infections, and it becomes even more important to stand to get all the help one can get to "get it out". Personally, I love to sit.....and, that makes me feel more like the woman I am!!!!! Hope this is not TMI (too much info), as my teenage daughter sometimes reminds me. Blessings, Sheila
Thank you Sheila, I actually think this is just the right amount of information as well as perfectly explained because now I do understand it better.
Quote from: Sheila Grace on February 08, 2015, 09:37:46 PM
.......... Men, because of the length of the ureter and the directed urine stream from the penis need more help from gravity and pelvic muscles. As well, men tend to get thickened prostates with age or infections, and it becomes even more important to stand to get all the help one can get to "get it out". Personally, I love to sit.....and, that makes me feel more like the woman I am!!!!! Hope this is not TMI (too much info), as my teenage daughter sometimes reminds me. Blessings, Sheila
I find it easier to completely empty my bladder if I sit and I have done so for over 17 years.
Quote from: mac1 on February 09, 2015, 11:41:19 AM
I find it easier to completely empty my bladder if I sit and I have done so for over 17 years.
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Mac- As I said, I share your preference to sit. In my experience, men generally feel more comfortable standing and peeing. Also, having had some BPH over the years, I can say that sitting to urinate is a lot harder with that problem; for the reasons that I listed. Sheila