Hi everyone. I live in the UK. I went to my GP about 2 1/2 months ago after I had already sent them a letter explaining my situation. He told me that he would refer me for a psychiatric assessment and it may take about 8 weeks. I rang them about a week ago and they said that they haven't received a reply from the commissioning group yet. Is it normal for it to take so long just to get diagnosed with gender dysphoria in the first place? I have heard that my nearest GIC has about a year long waiting list. I feel like at this rate I will never get hormones. Is there a way that I can hurry them up? All I want is hormones. Couldn't I just convinced them to let me go straight to the GIC? I would be willing to sign a form that says that I don't care about what happens to me.
You have a few possibilities. Firstly, trying to get the NHS to do anything fast is like trying to herd cats.
OK, important things for you now are...
The document with the current protocol is here:
http://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/int-gend-proto.pdf
Your GP can provide you with 'bridging endocrine treatment' (see page 17) if they feel its in your best interest health-wise (for example if you were considering self medicating - they might want you to be supervised rather than buying junk of the net). My GP did. I had to push it a bit, but he did it. It is after all, only the same tablets the prescribe as part of HRT for postmenopausal women.
You should ask for a referral directly to the GIC. I believe they all prefer to take referrals directly from primary care now. I know at least Notts do and I am relatively confident that is the same elsewhere.
Read up on that here:
http://www.nottinghamshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/our-services/local-services/specialist-services/prescribed-services/gender-clinic/referral-appointments-and-clinic-letters/
The next thing to do is check the waiting times here, where someone requested all details from the GICs under the freedom of information act:
http://uktrans.info/attachments/article/341/PatientPopulationSept14.pdf
Ask your GP for a referral to the next nearest GIC. You are supposed to be provided with choice under the NHS, so they should have to respect your request.
Then start reading up about what you are entitled to and what the various healthcare professionals should be doing, as often, they have no idea.
Good luck.
Kira x
Thanks very much. I had no idea that they could do that. I may ask my GP if I can have bridging endocrine treatment. The only problem is that I don't think he knows anything about gender dysphoria. When I rang up they said that he requested advise from this commissioning group.
So glad to see there is someone in the News staff with knowledge of the UK NHS system Kira! What a gem for the people in the UK you are on this forum. So thanks in behalf of everyone.
Tesseract,
What GIC are you gonna be going to?
Most important step is to try and get on that waiting list ASAP. As Kira said, guidelines from late 2013 indicate that referral for psychiatric assessment is no longer required to access a GIC as, effectively, the GIC itself takes care of evaluating and diagnosing you for gender dysphoria on your first appointments and upon diagnosis you get invited into the pathway. Your GP can refer you directly.
If your GP isn't very familiar with the process it's worth informing yourself and being involved in the process as much as you can. Posting on this forum was definitely a good start :) .
Best wishes!! X
Oh, whoops! Wrong question at the wrong time. Sorry but I have been struggling with the NHS for a few years now and about the most useful advice I can give is to learn patience. You can smooth your progress through the process a great deal by managing your own care. Find out the contact details of the person you have been referred to, make sure they have received the referral, follow up with a phone call to confirm whether an appointment has been booked if you haven't heard anything by the time you should expect to (generally about a month before the appointment).
It's utterly shedloads of hassle and at the end of it you'll run slap bang into the Charing Cross waiting list, currently 68 weeks and growing.
As I said at the beginning, sorry but it's the wrong time to ask this question if you want me to be at all positive.
Rosie
1 week into that expanding 68 week waiting list.
i got referred to charing cross and found the 68 week wait unacceptable so had my referral sent to daventry. they say they have it and itll be in the next 8 weeks. result. maybe give them a call.
then
"After a period of assessment, typically two to four consultations shared between two clinicians,
one of which must be medically qualified, a provisional diagnosis should be agreed. "
"Once a diagnosis of gender dysphoria or atypical gender development is made, an Individual
Care Plan (ICP) should be agreed between the GIC and the patient, after which the patient may
access some treatments (to include psychotherapy, speech therapy and facial hair reduction) " (hey free laser??)
then your gp can give you hrt, from what i understand. seems to be the take home message is settle in, enjoy the now and never quit. its a 5 year marathon. or that time forrest gump ran accross the usa!
I went to my gp in early November for my first talk about being trans and by the beginning of December they sent me for blood tests and I had to make an extended appointment with the gp to get a direct referal to the Leeds GIC the GP also had to asses how much upper body hair I had and measure my testacles I also had to fill in a questionnaire . So I got my direct referal to the GIC it's just the long waiting list that is bothering me now I think a phone call is in order . As for possibly getting HRT from the GP that is something that is definitely worth me asking about
Chrissie Rose xx
I didn't know that Daventry were set up to do surgery. Or am I misunderstanding you Alex?
Rosie
Ah no I dont know about surgery. They quote 68 weeks as the wait for an initial consultation, which i was shocked and dismayed by, hence shopping around. sorry if ive confused things!!
There are only three options for surgery with the NHS. Oliver Fenton, Philip Thomas or Tina Rashid (under the guidance/supervision of Philip Thomas). You are given a choice of those three when you get to the referral stage, and it's up to you to do your research on them.
The NHS is still a bit stuck in the whole 'full time before hormones' thing, so it's often difficult to get them to budge from that. And they will generally time everything from the date at which you can prove you started RLE. For that reason I started my RLE way before I got my first appointment, and whilst I had to wait a year for that, I've moved through it all as quickly as is possible since. It's still taken a long time though. I'm at Leeds, btw. The people there are lovely and they will do their best to get people through as quickly as possible as long as they are convinced that it's right for the patient. I think they get a fair few people who go along having taken no steps forward themselves (eg coming out to family/friends/work, RLE, starting hair removal etc) and expect to be given hormones, and they are more cautious moving forwards with those people. I'm not saying it's right, that's a seperate debate, but it's the way they work. Your gp can prescribe bridging hormones but mine flat out refused; he said it basically wasn't an area he had any knowledge in and that he wasn't prepared to take on that liability, and instead he'd rather leave it to specialists. I tried a different gp at the same surgery and she said much the same. So it's pot luck really.
Good luck!
Quote from: Squircle on February 14, 2015, 05:45:25 AM
And they will generally time everything from the date at which you can prove you started RLE.
I understand they still use the date printed on your Change of Name Deed Poll to determine your RLE start date. So It's a good idea to get one of those ASAP once you've decided on your new name. You don't need to pay for it, just print one from here on nice paper, and get 2 people who know you in your new name to sign it as witnesses:
http://freedeedpoll.org.uk/
Changing your name doesn't mean you have to get your IDs changed right away, but you should at least get your new name updated with your GP surgery. Any supporting evidence helps (utility bills with your new name, GP registration letter in your new name, etc.). You can apply for the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) for free under your new name, and get a photo ID in your new name under the PASS scheme:
http://www.pass-scheme.org.uk/
All this helps show you're serious and in my opinion should be the first step in the process.
Quote from: mfox on February 14, 2015, 06:39:12 AM
I understand they still use the date printed on your Change of Name Deed Poll to determine your RLE start date.
They do use that but you also have to prove that you transitioned in the workplace or education. I had to take a letter from my boss. They won't consider it full time if you are living as female at weekends but not at work, for instance. Although if you change your name on bank accounts etc then you kind of have to tell work! I don't know how they deal with unemployed people, I guess proof of change of name from the job centre or something? :-\
Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on February 13, 2015, 08:29:23 AM
You have a few possibilities. Firstly, trying to get the NHS to do anything fast is like trying to herd cats.
OK, important things for you now are...
The document with the current protocol is here:
http://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/int-gend-proto.pdf
Your GP can provide you with 'bridging endocrine treatment' (see page 17) if they feel its in your best interest health-wise (for example if you were considering self medicating - they might want you to be supervised rather than buying junk of the net). My GP did. I had to push it a bit, but he did it. It is after all, only the same tablets the prescribe as part of HRT for postmenopausal women.
You should ask for a referral directly to the GIC. I believe they all prefer to take referrals directly from primary care now. I know at least Notts do and I am relatively confident that is the same elsewhere.
Read up on that here:
http://www.nottinghamshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/our-services/local-services/specialist-services/prescribed-services/gender-clinic/referral-appointments-and-clinic-letters/
The next thing to do is check the waiting times here, where someone requested all details from the GICs under the freedom of information act:
http://uktrans.info/attachments/article/341/PatientPopulationSept14.pdf
Ask your GP for a referral to the next nearest GIC. You are supposed to be provided with choice under the NHS, so they should have to respect your request.
Then start reading up about what you are entitled to and what the various healthcare professionals should be doing, as often, they have no idea.
Good luck.
Kira x
Great post, Well done :)
The NHS is outdated, under funded and overworked. They are expert gatekeepers. I did my time with them using the GIC in Newcastle and I know they are trying to see everyone as soon as they can, I was also told they will allow in some circumstances people to get hormones before being full time. That is decided on a case by case basis There has been allot of great advice in this thread and I'm sure if you can be patient and do what you need to you'll get there :)
Good Luck with it all
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
Quote from: SorchaC on February 14, 2015, 07:59:55 AM
The NHS is outdated, under funded and overworked. They are expert gatekeepers.
I have a lot of sympathy for NHS GPs, with the stress and lack of funding. The London GIC seems to keep patients waiting close to a year before being seen for the first time. I don't really see how it's ethical for a GP to refer anyone there until they can better meet their obligations, and there are other less burdened GICs. Something to consider when asking for a referral.
Quote from: mfox on February 14, 2015, 10:37:49 AM
I have a lot of sympathy for NHS GPs, with the stress and lack of funding. The London GIC seems to keep patients waiting close to a year before being seen for the first time. I don't really see how it's ethical for a GP to refer anyone there until they can better meet their obligations, and there are other less burdened GICs. Something to consider when asking for a referral.
I don't blame the staff most of whom do their best. You are right that CX is over burdened so what is needed is more funding and more doctors. Most of NHS could make the same argument so I gave up on it :(
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
Hi Sorcha,
there can't be too many people with experience in two countries. It would make for a really interesting topic in a new thread if you wrote about your experience and how it differs, the good and the bad.
Quote from: mfox on February 14, 2015, 10:37:49 AM
I have a lot of sympathy for NHS GPs, with the stress and lack of funding. The London GIC seems to keep patients waiting close to a year before being seen for the first time. I don't really see how it's ethical for a GP to refer anyone there until they can better meet their obligations, and there are other less burdened GICs. Something to consider when asking for a referral.
I wonder out of interest what percentage of people referred to the GICs actually transition. I'd assume the number to be fairly high, and the percentage for those transitioning socially but not surgically to be slightly lower. At Leeds if someone has been living full time for a good while before they get there then the staff do their best to get them through the process quickly, but with others it's more complicated, there may be other issues, a lack of commitment to transitioning etc and with those people it's understandable that they take more time to reach a diagnosis. Perhaps it would be better if there was more funding for gender therapists who could more efficiently do some of the groundwork and help those people who need that help to untangle their feelings.
It's a tricky situation but it's difficult to know what would work best.
Quote from: Squircle on February 15, 2015, 02:40:35 AM
Perhaps it would be better if there was more funding for gender therapists who could more efficiently do some of the groundwork and help those people who need that help to untangle their feelings.
Before my GP was able to refer me to the GIC I needed to see a Sex Therapist Dr Pop, The PCT refused to fund things without that according to my GP, Dr Pop told me it would also speed things up with GIC if I went that far. Newcastle now has a Psycho sexual Counsellor and a CPN to work with all referred until you get to see one of the 2 Psyches. I think it works and helps the person transitioning with some of their eraly issues so that when they get an appointment at a GIC they are better prepared for the system
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
Quote from: AnonyMs on February 14, 2015, 03:41:32 PM
Hi Sorcha,
there can't be too many people with experience in two countries. It would make for a really interesting topic in a new thread if you wrote about your experience and how it differs, the good and the bad.
That's something I could do in a few days maybe when I get some time to do it justice
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
I am still interested in this 'bridging endocrine treatment' thing. How easy would it be for me to get that? Could I threaten my GP with suicide or would that be bad.
Quote from: tesseract49 on February 17, 2015, 01:02:31 PM
I am still interested in this 'bridging endocrine treatment' thing. How easy would it be for me to get that? Could I threaten my GP with suicide or would that be bad.
Getting the bridging endocrine treatment granted is pot luck and wholly dependent on the decision of your GP. Each GP operates as a self employed medic offering primary care services to the NHS. They are not legally bound to follow guidelines to the letter.
Threatening behaviour is likely to get you nowhere fast. If you get no luck with your current GP, then you may want to ask another GP in the practice that you attend or failing that move to another practice in your local area.
I can't say how easy it would be for you, because it depends entirely on your own case and circumstances and the attitude of your GP and surgery toward your situation. I know it's possible in the right circumstances because I'm on bridging treatment right now, but it wasn't entirely straightforward. What I think helped is that I was very firm and consistent in pressing for it but without being pushy or demanding, and also that I demonstrated (in their eyes) a strong certainty and commitment to transition from the outset (they are very wary of moving forward with HRT when they think the patient may be uncertain or has other confounding issues to deal with).
Early last summer, I wrote to my GP saying that I had gone full time and would be contacting her soon to request a letter (for my passport change, etc.) and to ask for bridging treatment. I wrote to her again 2-3 weeks later, once I had changed my name legally, and made those requests. At that time I also drafted a lengthy statement of informed consent detailing that I was of sound mind (I'm sure that's debatable, but let's skip over that :p), understood the risks and limitations, and consented to starting treatment. At that point I hadn't had my psych evaluation, so she said to come back after it and we would discuss treatment. The psychiatrist said I was as clear cut a case as she had seen and that HRT was the next logical step for me. I returned to my GP to discover that the practice managers had held a meeting where they'd decided that they weren't comfortable with it and wanted to leave it to the GIC. At that point I was in a horrible place mentally. My SO wrote to them explaining how badly my dysphoria was affecting my daily life and asking them to reconsider, given that my GIC appointment was still 10 months away. After another practice meeting, my GP contacted one of the specialists at the GIC who said that they ought to consider treating me. I had to attend a second psych appointment a few weeks later (that's normal but it should've been scheduled with the first one, only the admin staff hadn't booked it), after which my GP finally agreed to prescribe me HRT.
The whole process took about four months. Given that I'm unlikely to get my GIC appointment before June 2015 and probably won't get a follow-up appointment where they might have prescribed hormones until September or so, it's been a lifesaver for me. I've now been on HRT since October.
One thing I would say is don't threaten them. IMO, that is likely both to antagonise them unnecessarily and flag you as having mental health issues that need to be worked through before they're willing to offer endocrine treatment. Do be prepared to be knocked back, and be ready to keep trying. In the right circumstances, you may be able to convince them and turn an initial no into a yes. Otherwise, as Leila says, you could try another doctor, or another surgery. That was going to be my next avenue if I hadn't been successful with my current GP.
And good luck. :) I know how you must be feeling right now and it sucks, but hang in there. It will all be worth it when you get the treatment you need.
Quote from: tesseract49 on February 17, 2015, 01:02:31 PM
I am still interested in this 'bridging endocrine treatment' thing. How easy would it be for me to get that? Could I threaten my GP with suicide or would that be bad.
I think the ladies are giving you some really useful info based on what information about your situation you're giving out hun, the issue is: are you Full Time? That's a big point . Why?, I dont think I've heard of any GP giving bridging therapy to someone who isn't fulltime, as that shows you already have a certain level of commitment to your transition,. But like squircle said, even then it's no guarantee and your GP might flat out refuse. You could always try to access private care in either one of this cases only until the time comes you're seen by the GIC (I don't know how cheap or expensive it is, but if you're this set on it and can do it, it's a choice) Cat also just gave you really golden info on how she got around it.
I am full-time, kind of. I am full-time except for when I am with my family. I have changed most of my accounts and am in the process of changing my name legally. I am applying for jobs as my new identity and I have completely socially transitioned.
If you go through the NHS guidelines with a fine toothed comb you should see that they should no longer be allowed to insist on RLE as a requirement to begin hrt as many people need hrt to help in passing. This is due to cases of people facing violence if they don't pass, the NHS would then be liable for placing you in danger. I fought CHX for 2yrs due to not being able to use make up due to my eczema flaring because of make up, one month after these new rules I was started on hrt.
If possible you should request any clinic that isn't charing cross, trust me.
CHX failed to tell me that the nurse I was due to see last Feb had quit, 6 months later I still hadn't been given a new appointment!!
I requested a transfer to the laurels in Exeter, I was half way there last Thurs when they phoned to say my doctor had phoned in sick, she phoned me yesterday and my new appointment is this Thursday!!
Even if you have to travel the day before and pay for overnight accommodation it's worth the effort as the laurels can take months off your waiting times, this could cut years off your total treatment time.
CHX have made my transition take over 3 yrs whilst a ftm I know finished his transition in just over one year with the laurels, this is why I switched GIC
Quote from: Jayne on February 17, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
If you go through the NHS guidelines with a fine toothed comb you should see that they should no longer be allowed to insist on RLE as a requirement to begin hrt as many people need hrt to help in passing. This is due to cases of people facing violence if they don't pass, the NHS would then be liable for placing you in danger. I fought CHX for 2yrs due to not being able to use make up due to my eczema flaring because of make up, one month after these new rules I was started on hrt.
If possible you should request any clinic that isn't charing cross, trust me.
CHX failed to tell me that the nurse I was due to see last Feb had quit, 6 months later I still hadn't been given a new appointment!!
I requested a transfer to the laurels in Exeter, I was half way there last Thurs when they phoned to say my doctor had phoned in sick, she phoned me yesterday and my new appointment is this Thursday!!
Even if you have to travel the day before and pay for overnight accommodation it's worth the effort as the laurels can take months off your waiting times, this could cut years off your total treatment time.
CHX have made my transition take over 3 yrs whilst a ftm I know finished his transition in just over one year with the laurels, this is why I switched GIC
I believe Jayne is right, I have a couple of friends from various areas of UK and they too visit Exeter simply because of the standard of treatment, I am led to understand that you can choose which GIC you visit if they are willing to accept you.
I do hope you can get some treatment as I know the waiting is way too stressful
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
Quote from: Cat on February 17, 2015, 01:47:27 PM
After another practice meeting, my GP contacted one of the specialists at the GIC who said that they ought to consider treating me.
Cat, your story sounds like so many UK experiences I've read, but with a happy outcome! Which GIC did they work with? Two GPs at my surgery also felt a little out of their depth and brought it to a practice meeting, with the same initial outcome; "We don't know how to help you, so we'll refer you, but the GIC waiting list is so long, don't expect their help either.".
At my last practice none of the gp's had any experience of gender reassignment so they assigned me a dedicated gp who read through the guidelines, it helps if your gp is interested in the whole process.
Feel free to speak to your practice manager to request a dedicated gp who is comfortable dealing with hrt, it is your right.
You also now have the right to request to be transfered to the GIC of your choice, there's a MTF in my lgbt group who waited for months and had no reply from CHX, she was reluctant to request a transfer at first fearing it would cause more delays, she's now over the moon that she took my advice.. The Laurels try to see new patients within 12 weeks, it beats CHX's 68 week wait.
Request to be sent a copy of EVERY letter related to your treatment, keep these letters safe as you may need them in the future. when a letter arrives take it straight to your surgery so they can take copy I always get my letters before my gp for some reason and this prevents your letters getting stuck in an in tray.
Final nugget of advice for now, any funding requests should be through "specialised commissioning" NOT exceptional funding, a gp made this mistake a couple of years ago and as a result I've been turned down for electrolysis funding 3 times!! My latest gp spotted this mistake so I'm now on my 4th attempt to get funding but this time its through the correct channels.
my gp is great but as he said its not a thing he has done before. i asked for estrogen t be added to my antiandrogen as ive been on it nearly a year and was a bit concerned about the health side. i have already been assessed by my psychiatrist who used to work in a gic clinic. ive had assessment as well by the psychologist at my mental health department.my gp and gum consultant back me fully. i simply asked the gic that since i had had all this instead of waiting to just tell them that what they want is already done and there is a health concern. i didnt for one moment think they would reply but last week they requested bloods to be taken by the gp.i still havnt been told why and havnt heard directly from them. my way into the gender service actually isnt that quick its been a few years since initially coming out and then sorting other problems out. i have found you have to be proactive without being pushy. dont go over the top and dont go in a state,they will just make you wait till they think you are more stable. remember being nice to people gats more done than just demanding your rights. every gic is different. and what they will allow is different. like i said my gp will prescribe hormones if they approve it. when i went on the antiandrogen he admited it was a first for him but liked a challenge. i do some of the work for him as i am cheeky and ask department what they want. he i like a lot of doctors he doesnt rush. he is used to me turning up and saying i need x and doc x has said ok for you to do just give him a ring. its amazing that in this age of emails they do insist on writing a letter. i do joke with him that im going to bring the service into the 21st century.
this is just the way its turned out for me and things are slightly different than a lot of girls, i had /have bloods and health screening done regularly long before i started on this path so the local nhs system knows me.it is amazing what you can get done with a bit of thought,being nice and fluttering your eyelids.(havnt tried the last one yet lol) but also be ready for the things that just cant be rushed. we all want it now but for some thing there are reasons they wait.
Quote from: mfox on February 18, 2015, 01:40:24 AM
Cat, your story sounds like so many UK experiences I've read, but with a happy outcome! Which GIC did they work with? Two GPs at my surgery also felt a little out of their depth and brought it to a practice meeting, with the same initial outcome; "We don't know how to help you, so we'll refer you, but the GIC waiting list is so long, don't expect their help either.".
Hi, mfox. :) They work with Sandyford clinic in Glasgow, since I'm in Scotland. I self-referred to Sandyford last June and then had my assessments done and funding provision approved but the wait for Sandyford was running at 12 months when I joined the list (and has increased since then I think), so I still have a few months before my initial consultation with them. Thank heavens for happy outcomes!
This thread has been incredibly informative. Thankyou to all those who've contributed! I have my initial GP appointment Friday and I feel much better prepared ^-^
Toni x
Oh by the way, for anyone getting a referral for a GIC, the 'inspection of the sexual characteristics' or anything else that involves your GP poking your genitals isn't mandatory for a referral.
I went to The Laurels yesterday so i'll do some comparisons between the Laurels (Yay!!!) & CHX (Boo Hiss!!)
!ST APPONTMENT WAIT:
LAURELS
12wks ish, 1st appointment was cancelled due to the lovely woman being sick, replacement appointment 1wk 3 hrs later :)
CHX
up to 68 wks!! If they cancel you may get to see someone 6 months later :(
APPOINTMENT DURATION:
LAURELS
1hr
CHX
30 min, you feel like you've gone through a sheep dip
TIME TILL NEXT VISIT:
LAURELS
6wks
CHX
6mnths (if you're lucky & if they don't cancel repeatedly)
ATMOSPHERE
LAURELS
Relaxed & Friendly
CHX
Did I mention feeling like you've been through a sheep dip? Nuff said
SATISFACTION LEVELS SO FAR
LAURELS
5 stars, walking on air :)
CHX
Please refund ALL of my taxes that have gone into the NHS so I can pay to go private/elsewhere :(
CONCLUSION
LAURELS
Can't speak highly enough of them :)
CHX
Wouldn't touch them with someone elses 10ft long barge pole
I hope this helps clarify the difference from one clinic to the next & my thoughts on the 2 clinics i've been seen by
To sum up: CHX have wasted more than 2yrs of my life & in spite of London being cosmopilitan many people there are rude to trans people & I despise their GIC's shoddy, uncaring service.
I adore the service at Laurels plus the public in Exeter are used to trans people due to the clinic beingn a 5min wall from the shops, I recieved loads of friendly, supportive smiles from complete & utter strangers yesterday & didn't notice one single rude look all day (at least until I got home to Bristol)
Thanks for that Jayne, I was hoping to hear how it went! You've definitely sold me on The Laurels.
Toni x
If you live far from there it would be a good place to get a room the night before, I got nothing but good vibes from the clinic & the shopping area.
i may move there
;D
Quote from: Jayne on February 20, 2015, 09:42:45 PM
If you live far from there it would be a good place to get a room the night before, I got nothing but good vibes from the clinic & the shopping area.
i may move there
;D
You should also be able to claim a refund on expenses such as travel and even a hotel if it is essential and as Exeter is a fair distance for anyone not in South West it is fairly essential, I would speak to Laurels Admin as this will depend on your income as well but I was able to claim travel for my laser appointments in Newcastle when I was in Cumbria, Unknown to me when I went to see Tim Terry in Leicester from Cumbria I could have claimed that too but wasn't told until after.
Hugs
Sorcha ;D
I knew about claiming travel expenses but forgot this time, doh!
The reason I said about thinking of moving to Exeter is because I felt so comfortable and accepted there.
Quote from: Jayne on February 22, 2015, 04:43:57 PM
I knew about claiming travel expenses but forgot this time, doh!
The reason I said about thinking of moving to Exeter is because I felt so comfortable and accepted there.
I did my Sports Therapy Diploma in Torquay which isn't so far from Exeter, Nice part of the country and reasonably accepting from all i've heard
Hugs
Sorcha ;D