Besides the obvious that size would not necessarily be as big as say the women in your family, what are some other differences one would come to except. Like Nipple size and texture and the Areola area as well as the overall shape and texture outside. In addition what would be some internal differences? Does anyone have some medical info and/or comparisons?
I have breast tissue, nipples comparable to a cis-woman, and underdeveloped areoles (I'm thinking about cosmetic tattooing to increase the size, but since I have breast implants I don't know if that is something I should do).
I have expert opinions from about a dozen medical professionals at this point that there are none (and I don't buy the "smaller" theory either, though I do think breast volume will *look* smaller on a broader chest, which might be how that got started). That includes, at this point, having them checked by people who do dozens of breast exams a week and didn't know I was trans and said everything was normal... ditto friends of mine who've had mammograms; the only difference for them is that their breasts are denser than is typical for a woman their age, because the boobs are newer ("young" breast tissue tends to be denser).
The more common differences between trans ans cis breasts are only due to underdevelopment , otherwise if a trans woman starts on HRT early enough there will be no internal or external differences shawn, even size wise. Staring HRT early for me meant I have big areolas (almost too big for my liking to tell you the truth) and developed sizeable breasts that I still decided to eventually get enhanced by a BA.
Ahh I see well I am 42, so I am wondering if my Areolas will not look the same. How much different are areolas vs the ones that men have on there chest anyways? I mean yes I know they look different, but all humans start out with nipples regardless.
Quote from: Jenna Marie on February 19, 2015, 05:36:03 PM
I have expert opinions from about a dozen medical professionals at this point that there are none (and I don't buy the "smaller" theory either, though I do think breast volume will *look* smaller on a broader chest, which might be how that got started). That includes, at this point, having them checked by people who do dozens of breast exams a week and didn't know I was trans and said everything was normal... ditto friends of mine who've had mammograms; the only difference for them is that their breasts are denser than is typical for a woman their age, because the boobs are newer ("young" breast tissue tends to be denser).
Oh this makes sense to me now. At 4 months my skin and chest are actually tighter and smoother now, starting to notice some perkiness.
Aureolas on women vary drastically in size. Some are about the size of a mans, some are huge and cover half the breast. There is no one size to be 'normal'.
Oh I see, well mine havent really changed much, just a little plumper and some darkening a little. But thats good to know.
Quote from: LordKAT on February 19, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
Aureolas on women vary drastically in size. Some are about the size of a mans, some are huge and cover half the breast. There is no one size to be 'normal'.
So true. I've seen quite a few in my time ranging from the size of a quarter to baloney sized ones.
Quote from: missymay on February 19, 2015, 05:11:51 PM
I have breast tissue, nipples comparable to a cis-woman, and underdeveloped areoles (I'm thinking about cosmetic tattooing to increase the size, but since I have breast implants I don't know if that is something I should do).
I know a couple of breast cancer survivors who had nipples tattooed on after reconstruction. It's pretty common, actually.
Mine are getting bigger.
The breasts? Bigger.
Nipples? Bigger.
Areole? Bigger.
Breasts? Big enough. They can stop now, please.
Nipples? Getting there.
Areole? Still small, but MUCH larger than they were.
They look fine. They feel big. Too big. Careful what you wish for.
Breasts come in all different shapes and sizes for everyone whether Cis or Trans :icon_chick: I've been rather happy with my development thus far
Quote from: Tori on February 19, 2015, 06:18:45 PM
Mine are getting bigger.
The breasts? Bigger.
Nipples? Bigger.
Areole? Bigger.
Breasts? Big enough. They can stop now, please.
Nipples? Getting there.
Areole? Still small, but MUCH larger than they were.
They look fine. They feel big. Too big. Careful what you wish for.
Hmm well right now they are a B Cup and thats what they were before i started, due to gynecomestia, but they kinda sorta look like they are getting bigger, what I really need to work on is the other number. Last time I measured myself I was a 52 ...but that was at the start
Quote from: V M on February 19, 2015, 06:27:45 PM
Breasts come in all different shapes and sizes for everyone whether Cis or Trans :icon_chick: I've been rather happy with my development thus far
I think maybe its the fact that I have a somewhat husky chest underneath that also steals away from what they could look like, which is why I am working on my health and weight. At the YMCA every day.
Some are concerned about the gap between the boobs. No cleavage, that is. Well, I seen many pictures of cis women who have no cleavage at all. Wide gaps between them. So, those who are worried about that, it is normal for many. I have no cleavage, either, but after seeing all the pictures, can't feel so bad about it.
I'm 65 years old. My breasts are just a few years old and don't sag at all. A 65 year old, with the breasts of an 18 year old... a bit incongruous.
As to breast size, I was watching one of my favorite TV shows (The Mentalist) and one of the stars is quite beautiful, but I just noticed today that she has very small breasts and I thought, gee, she is an actress on a popular TV show, so why should I worry. Of course, I would also like to have her slender body, but, she also is much younger than I am!
Another thing I noticed is for the first 2 months when I was at a lower hrt dose, I was very sensitive almost to the point of aroasal and um well i played with my nipples and pinched them. I heard it was good to do that so I did :angel:
But now that has gone away and at the moment just a minor amount of pain, but actually when I jump or bounce I do notice more.
Quote from: Rosa on February 19, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
As to breast size, I was watching one of my favorite TV shows (The Mentalist) and one of the stars is quite beautiful, but I just noticed today that she has very small breasts and I thought, gee, she is an actress on a popular TV show, so why should I worry. Of course, I would also like to have her slender body, but, she also is much younger than I am!
I personally think legs are sexier than breasts myself. I have never really been concerned about size when looking at other women. If a group of guys was sitting there going on and on about a girls chest, I never really got interested in the conversation.
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on February 19, 2015, 05:45:51 PM
Ahh I see well I am 42, so I am wondering if my Areolas will not look the same. How much different are areolas vs the ones that men have on there chest anyways? I mean yes I know they look different, but all humans start out with nipples regardless.
I started HRT at 43. 14 months on HRT (first 7 months on pills and rest on injections), my areolas got darker the first 9 months and a little bigger. Lately they are getting bigger and I'm a B cup and still growing from what I can tell. They definitely don't look like male nipples any more :)
One thing I can say is that changes seem to happen faster on injections than pills.
QuoteOne thing I can say is that changes seem to happen faster on injections than pills.
wELL mY doctor told me she didnt think injections would be neccesary in my case. Not sure how she can come to that conclusion after 4 months, but then I am not a Doctor.
It is good to hear that someone close to my age is having a good response. :)
I think my breasts look natural and great, and they feel natural and great too! I'm thoroughly pleased with my development. They do look slightly odd when going through a growth phase though because of the areolas puffing out. I do find mine are just a touch too far apart for some bra cup spacings. People might call them small but I would say that my bust measure has increased five inches since development started. I was nearly ribs-flat before-hand so maybe that's why five inched gained doesn't actually look substantial. My breast volume may very well be about the same as my mother's was until her pregnancies led to maturation. I think they are actually shaped more attractively than hers (please don't tell her I said that!). My nipples are not much changed which makes them easier to hide until I'm out full-time. The areolas are slightly darker now.
under-bust: 34"
current bust measure: 40"
starting bust measure was: 35"
diameter of areolas: 1-1/2"
starting diameter was: 1" left, 1-1/8" right
I read a statistic that average female areola diameter is 3.8cm or 1.5" so I'm spot-on average with 3/8" to 1/2" gain. They can get much larger than this but it clearly is less common. While I was looking it up one search suggestion that spit out of the search engine was "areola reduction surgery", so larger probably isn't considered desirable. I don't really care if mine get any larger but they probably will as my breasts continue to fill out. After 15 months on estrogen my breasts are still constantly hurting and going through little growth cycles. Who knows, I might even end up larger than my mother's. I'm 37 years old, BTW.
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Hi Shaun Sunshine,
I started HRT at 43. To begin with I was flat chested and my areola were about 10mm/ 3/8" in diameter. 14 months later that's now 40mm/ 1 7/16", the nipple has doubled in width and doubled in length. They have also become far more sensitive and somewhat playful ( being erect all the bloomin' time). My breast size is about 38A to 38B depending on my bra.
You take care Babe.
Luv & Hugs for the lot of you. :icon_bunch: :icon_bunch: :icon_bunch:
As in Randi's comment... Young breasts on older body frame... Love it... :-* just about where I am too ;)
I am B cup, but have small nipples and areolas :-\
L Katy
FYI: I'm IS.
I'm rather curious about the difference of breast development between IS, TG, and GG, since my body is female. At my last checkup almost three months ago, I was at Tanner stage 4. I've read somewhere that even girls with CAIS, have some issue with development, because of the Y chromosome. And I've had small breasts since I was 10.
Naturally Grown Breast with Hormones IMHO there is no Difference, Breast are Breast are Breast :) and they are all different , some are firm, some are saggy, some are big some are small , Hmmmm sounds like another body Part :) a M2F TG will normally have Breast about 1 size smaller that their mothers breast size, my mother has a C Cup, and I have a B Cup, I am a pre op TS what I do like about my Breast is that they are Firm very Firm even my female doctor was supprized as to how firm they are, but they still bounce :) Take care, Chellie
Quote from: CHELLIE on February 20, 2015, 06:43:09 AM
Naturally Grown Breast with Hormones IMHO there is no Difference, Breast are Breast are Breast :) and they are all different , some are firm, some are saggy, some are big some are small , Hmmmm sounds like another body Part :) a M2F TG will normally have Breast about 1 size smaller that their mothers breast size, my mother has a C Cup, and I have a B Cup, I am a pre op TS what I do like about my Breast is that they are Firm very Firm even my female doctor was supprized as to how firm they are, but they still bounce :) Take care, Chellie
Am pretty sure I fit the 1 cup size smaller that my mother... But I never really knew, was not the sort of thing to ask her?
Inclined to agree with CIS girls all come in different shapes and sizes... But not sure that extends to aerola and small nipples... But?
L Katy
Quote from: CHELLIE on February 20, 2015, 06:43:09 AM
Naturally Grown Breast with Hormones IMHO there is no Difference, Breast are Breast are Breast :) and they are all different , some are firm, some are saggy, some are big some are small , Hmmmm sounds like another body Part :) a M2F TG will normally have Breast about 1 size smaller that their mothers breast size, my mother has a C Cup, and I have a B Cup, I am a pre op TS what I do like about my Breast is that they are Firm very Firm even my female doctor was supprized as to how firm they are, but they still bounce :) Take care, Chellie
I've heard that saying before about your mom and using what she had as a rough measure of what you can expect. My mom was a tall skinny beanpole with not much in the way of boobs but both of my grandmothers were short stocky ladies with large chests. I seem to have taken after my grandmothers as far as my build goes; I am 5'8" and I am built a little stocky; not tall and skinny like my mom. Hopefully my boobs will take after my grandmother's more than my mom's :laugh:
I'm 52 and I know that I shouldn't expect as good of a result from HRT at my age as someone that's on HRT at a younger age, but regardless of that after less than 18 months on HRT things seem to be moving along very nicely. As I type this they are aching and itching :P
There's a really good illustrative website out there that shows the wide variation of breasts in an attempt to make all women feel normal and better about theirs:
www.007b.com (http://www.007b.com)
It has lots of information and lots of volunteered photos. Very useful, interesting and respectful presentation. I suspect any transwoman can find their 'normal' there given the extreme range of look and size. No indication is given as to whether or not any transwomen have actually submitted their own photos to the site.
There was one woman concerned about the spread of her breasts but her's were closer-spaced than a very large number of the others. Wide spacing seems to be very common in cis women. I also noted that my breasts are already larger than a number of the cis women featured there even though my development is not over.
I know that my wife will not agree with voluntary HRT but will be accepting of any changes that appear to be natural. I would like desperately to grow nice breasts. What can I do to grow nice breasts so that it will appear to be natural?
Firstly, hiya little Miss Sunshine. It's lovely to see you back by this way. You are sounding well.
Secondly, somewhere out on the deep, dark depths of the internet there is a website dedicated to showing the huge variety of shapes and sizes that boobs come in. Unfortunately I have lost the link and can't think of a search term that doesn't result in a load of unrelated nonsense. Suffice to say there is so much variation anyway that the possible differences between organically grown and medically assisted would disappear into the noise anyway.
Rosie
Quote from: RosieD on February 20, 2015, 03:12:19 PM
...there is a website dedicated to showing the huge variety of shapes and sizes that boobs come in. Unfortunately I have lost the link...
Never fear, I already posted the link here earlier today. See my previous post.
Quote from: Violet Bloom on February 20, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
Never fear, I already posted the link here earlier today. See my previous post.
Thank you Violet. That wasn't the website I remember but I feel it makes the point equally well. Boobs are probably another thing trans-women stress over far more than we need to. That whole "this is what a woman should look like" thing is a load of old nonsense. Unfortunately it is insidious nonsense that causes all kinds of damage but that doesn't make it any less nonsensical.
Rosie
Shawn - you're only at four months, give it a bit more time. Like 12 to 18 months more time. Boobs are boobs. Nipples are nipples. The key differences for us as pointed out above is that we are growing them later and growing them on a masculinised frame. The combination of younger/newer boobs on a larger chest give the impression of smaller breasts. I'm sure my girls would seem relatively impressive on a petite 16 year old genetic female body. They're not so that's that. Many genetic women can have relatively small breasts until their twenties - I once knew a 40 year old woman with extremely naturally large breasts who said to me that she was very small breasted when she was 19 and that it wasn't until after she had her daughter that they started to balloon.
Quote from: mac1 on February 20, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
What can I do to grow nice breasts so that it will appear to be natural?
Sorry, hormones are really the only way this is going to naturally happen for you. Man boobs are largely just an accumulation of fat, unlike the breasts of genetic women (or trans women on HRT) which are composed of fat and glandular development... it is the estrogen that makes the mammary glands grow.
Another point I would like to add is that, cis gals by the time they reach their 20s have had practically 10-12 years of estrogen being produced in their bodies. At preadolescence, they start producing tiny micro amounts of estrogen which leads to development of breast buds. So you can't really compare our breast development with theirs until you've been on estrogen for at least a decade imo, that is only you're on the best hrt regimen for your body. I'm one month shy of my 3 year mark and I'm still seeing changes with my breast shape and areola.
Oh yeah one more thing I'd like to say is that you also have to keep in mind that the first few years of hrt your body is going through a radical change of getting used to estrogen and changing the fat redistribution/losing muscle mass. Like for example you can't really get an accurate look of your bust until your body loses what muscle mass you have like in your back and sides, basically everything that isn't bone.
I was on estrogen from age 17 and my breast development was acceptable but they didn't really 'mature' until I did a course of progesterone in my 60s. Within a couple of months, the areolas became much larger and darker and the nipples became larger and more cylindrical as well as gaining 1/2 a cup size.
Yeah I agree about the P. I think its important for proper development. I've been on progesterone since I started hrt and I still have yet to see another trans gal my age with similar breasts in terms of fullness and maturity. I'd be more than happy to show my boobs if it were allowed on this site :laugh: I'm quite happy with them even though I do wish sometimes they were bigger. I don't come from a very busty family so its to be expected. I'm a 32b right now but the cup volume in that size is about the same as a 34a so technically I'm a full A cup size wise.
Well,
I'm larger than my mother - buy 3 cup sizes. I'm larger than my sister by one cup size. My breasts went like a really fast developing cis-girl.
I got really lucky on that one......
Genetics is an interesting science...I'm not sure we can predict things.
Jennifer
Quote from: Northern Jane on February 20, 2015, 07:46:14 PM
I was on estrogen from age 17 and my breast development was acceptable but they didn't really 'mature' until I did a course of progesterone in my 60s. Within a couple of months, the areolas became much larger and darker and the nipples became larger and more cylindrical as well as gaining 1/2 a cup size.
Been on Progesterone for a few years now, limited change to my breasts, now also out of fifties and just into the next one :-\ certainly no big change to Areolas and nipples not changed much... On E for over 10 years, I guess I've given up stressing over it now... It may it may not... But happy with what I have, oh so happy :-*
L Katy
Quote from: Ms Grace on February 20, 2015, 04:19:24 PM
Sorry, hormones are really the only way this is going to naturally happen for you. Man boobs are largely just an accumulation of fat, unlike the breasts of genetic women (or trans women on HRT) which are composed of fat and glandular development... it is the estrogen that makes the mammary glands grow.
Are there any natural sources for estrogen?
Quote from: mac1 on February 21, 2015, 01:03:56 AM
Are there any natural sources for estrogen?
There are naturally occurring estrogens in plenty of foods - the thing is they will
not help you grow breasts. Sorry, they just won't. Believe me I tried for a number of months prior to actually starting hormones - various teas and food whatnots that were meant to decrease my testosterone and raise estrogen. But didn't. Apart from making me sweat a lot and go to the loo a lot they basically did nothing. A big fat zero. Zilch. Didn't even make a dent in my blood readings for estrodil and testosterone. A waste of time and money.
As soon as I started HRT though - wow did I see the difference within only a few weeks.
So my endo suggested that my development what I get in two years on hrt is about the size I'll end up with...I know that it takes years for cis women to develop, but their hormone levels are gradual, " ours" are full to start once hrt is started,or within a fed months. Is this true?
Still related to topic,not trying to hijack thread.
Kristyn : That idea is going around a lot too, but from what I've seen it's not true. In fact, I don't know of a single trans woman whose breasts were fully mature within 2 years. It's true that we don't have the gradual ramp-up cis girls do and their bodies usually do take a couple years to get up to "full speed ahead," but even so they can take anywhere from 5-10 years from beginning genuine development to fully mature.
I'm 5 years on HRT and just now noticed my bras are fitting tighter again... and I developed really fast early on, so I'd actually wondered if I might be done in 2 years even if most women aren't.
(Oh, and I'm several cup sizes bigger than my [very thin] mother and at least 2 cup sizes bigger than my [curvier but small build] sister, but I also had a busty grandmother. Genetics are weird.)
One thing I would like to point out what would be the difference between tg and cis breasts well if ya think about it we are mammals right and mammals means mammalary glands aka breasts. There in itself should point to that give breasts get the food of estrogen then they are in fact natural and perhaps yes also progesterone. For me just interesting to know I have not start hrt yet but sure going to no matter what even if it is just a try. The mother size thing well for me that one is a real gamble for a guess here is why. Mother a size B smaller frame however sister bigger frame and DD myself bigger frame and well tbh hope for a C just to look proportionate. If it happens they are smaller so be it it will be what nature well with a boost lol will have given me. Once as many have you mentioned give it a lot of time then maybe augmentation. I am 6ft with large chest I am not looking for XXX breasts lol just something relatively proportionate. If I were to gamble well B-DD then C must be a fair guess in that:) Lastly they will be totally real if its from hrt alone after all they are not some foreign growth on females are they no its normal even gynomastia if ya think about it we are in fact mammals.
This might be a little off topic but my 2 bits:)
Quote from: RosieD on February 20, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Thank you Violet. That wasn't the website I remember but I feel it makes the point equally well.
Apologies for my presumption.
I've been poking around the net for more in case anyone is interested:
http://www.channel4embarrassingillnesses.com/galleries/breast-gallery/ (http://www.channel4embarrassingillnesses.com/galleries/breast-gallery/) (some content is from the 007b.com posters)
http://www.melbournebreastcancersurgery.com.au/gallery-normal-breasts-nipples.html (http://www.melbournebreastcancersurgery.com.au/gallery-normal-breasts-nipples.html)
Mostly close-up shots of individual breasts:
http://www.breastnotes.com/aware/aware-visual-signs.htm (http://www.breastnotes.com/aware/aware-visual-signs.htm)
From a clinic website and labeled "deformity correction" - I'm only posting this because they mention a non-incision/non-implant procedure:
http://www.miamibreastcenter.com/deformity/photo-gallery (http://www.miamibreastcenter.com/deformity/photo-gallery)
This one is in a slide-show format and one of the nicest presentations because each photo has a commentary by the woman featured:
http://www.refinery29.com/breast-pictures#slide (http://www.refinery29.com/breast-pictures#slide)
And for a mild chuckle:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/258605/ (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/258605/)
Enjoy!
Quote from: Tori on February 19, 2015, 06:18:45 PM
Mine are getting bigger.
The breasts? Bigger.
Nipples? Bigger.
Areole? Bigger.
Breasts? Big enough. They can stop now, please.
Nipples? Getting there.
Areole? Still small, but MUCH larger than they were.
They look fine. They feel big. Too big. Careful what you wish for.
Oh I DO wish !
And I never was careful.
Anna :-*
Quote from: calicarly on February 19, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
The more common differences between trans ans cis breasts are only due to underdevelopment , otherwise if a trans woman starts on HRT early enough there will be no internal or external differences shawn, even size wise. Staring HRT early for me meant I have big areolas (almost too big for my liking to tell you the truth) and developed sizeable breasts that I still decided to eventually get enhanced by a BA.
Highlighted a critical understanding - that, to my knowledge, is the sole difference. Transwomen can lactate, can feed a child, the works.
QuoteTranswomen can lactate
does this not require that you also take natural progesterone to get to this point?
mine look the same as cis-woman breasts.
I have large aureola's and nipples, but i don't think they are too large for my breast size (D cup)... I often sunbath topless with my girl friends (I hate tan lines, and i wear a lot of strappy tops in the summer) and my breasts look the same as there's.
Quote from: noleen111 on February 22, 2015, 01:28:01 AM
... I often sunbath topless with my girl friends (I hate tan lines, and i wear a lot of strappy tops in the summer) and my breasts look the same as there's.
I'm dying to do this now that A, I'm no-longer doing laser on my chest so I don't have to hide from the sun, and B, I NOW HAVE BOOBS! I'll keep the exposure to a minimum though because A, I burn easily, and B, I have super-girly-youthful skin that I don't want turned to leather!
After 5+ years of constant HRT, mine are indestinguishable from a natal female's breasts. With bra I can manage decent clevage, but not satisfactory to my liking. Lying on my side produces great cleavage though. Implants are in my future!