I started transition at 24 on the cusp of 25....it actually will be 3 years tomorrow I've been on HRT. I still don't pass...I've been correctly gendered a couple dozen times when I was out at my old job, but ever when I'm wearing a jacket or out on the street. Never, ever, always seen as male 100%. Everyone says I'm cute and such, and I can see that, but I'm also really massively built, bigger than any cis woman ever unless they were a weightlifter and I'm built thin so it just makes me look like a tall teenage boy. I really wanna be able to pass most of the time or at least walk down the street without a lot of harrassment for being trans...I don't even need to be stealth, just enough to get me by in short interactions with people. I'm worried even FFS won't be enough...I'm just too damn big...
Hiya, Lemons
The important question you need to be asking yourself is not 'can I pass' - but instead, 'will transition improve my quality of life'.
If going through this will improve your quality of life, it is absolutely worth doing.
If not, then you may need to reassess ...
We all want to look nice and to be seen for who we are. But really, 'passing' is of secondary importance in our journey.
You are doing this to feel right within yourself - not to please others. Don't lose sight of that.
x
Lemons, I read a few of your other posts, and we actually have a lot in common. We're both six feet tall, we both have similar body types, we both have similar weights (you actually weigh about 10 pounds less than I do :-X), and we both started HRT around the same time in our lives (I started experimenting with HRT the year I turned 25, but I wasn't even on a stable full dose regimen until about a year ago). I'm not really what you would call stealth, but I do pass most of the time. At least to the point where normal everyday social interactions are not an issue. So trust me, it can be done.
But another thing we seem to have in common, is that we both tend to obsess over our body dysphoria. I have only recently finally started to get over doing this, and I have to say, it's just not worth it. If the reason why you are transitioning is to be happy with yourself, then at a certain point you have to understand that is just as much about accepting the things you can't change as it is changing the things you can't accept. We are never going to have the perfect female bodies that we wish we were able to, no matter what we do. But that doesn't mean you can't find ways to make the body you do have work well enough for you that you can be happy with it.
When I tried to transition back in 1990 I passed sometimes and not others. It usually came down to how I dressed and presented myself. In a dress, yes no problem whatsoever. In jeans - no. But I can pass in jeans now, easily.
So what changed?
I realised this time that even when dressing in jeans women tend to wear different styles of clothing - with different cuts and colours, plus of course their shoes, jewellery, accessories and they way they style their hair, plus of course dressing to their figure and trying to give their bosom some prominence. It all adds up to a statement of their "femininity". That is easy enough to copy and you don't have to go overboard. When I wear jeans I might wear a women's tee with very short sleeves and a lower cut neckline, I might wear one bracelet and a necklace, a little bit of make-up but not that much, I might wear sandals or a casual deck shoes with the cuff of the jeans rolled up to 3/4. Add a handbag or a tote and the overall effect works very well... and I'm 6'3". But if I went out in a loose baggy andro tee, a back pack and nondescript jeans and sand shoes then I would look a lot more like a "dude" despite my hair and boobs.
The more andro you dress the more people will look for other cues (like height, facial features) to gender you. Not fair but it's generally the way people roll...
So I don't know if that is your issue but I thought I'd throw it in. :)
I'm 6ft, 145 ish, big boned, deep voice, you name it, it is all wrong. When I "experimented" with transition (actually twice) in my twenties, both were disasters. Like Ms Grace I now try to present as unambiguously female as I can be it in a skirt or jeans. No misgendering issues to date. A few uncomfortably longish looks but I try to think it is because I am tall, thin and look pretty good for an old dinosaur
how tall and what are some measurements?
@ Wild Flower - I don't do smites, but please, think before you hit Enter!
Quote from: Ms Grace on April 03, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
When I tried to transition back in 1990 I passed sometimes and not others. It usually came down to how I dressed and presented myself. In a dress, yes no problem whatsoever. In jeans - no. But I can pass in jeans now, easily.
So what changed?
I realised this time that even when dressing in jeans women tend to wear different styles of clothing - with different cuts and colours, plus of course their shoes, jewellery, accessories and they way they style their hair, plus of course dressing to their figure and trying to give their bosom some prominence. It all adds up to a statement of their "femininity". That is easy enough to copy and you don't have to go overboard. When I wear jeans I might wear a women's tee with very short sleeves and a lower cut neckline, I might wear one bracelet and a necklace, a little bit of make-up but not that much, I might wear sandals or a casual deck shoes with the cuff of the jeans rolled up to 3/4. Add a handbag or a tote and the overall effect works very well... and I'm 6'3". But if I went out in a loose baggy andro tee, a back pack and nondescript jeans and sand shoes then I would look a lot more like a "dude" despite my hair and boobs.
The more andro you dress the more people will look for other cues (like height, facial features) to gender you. Not fair but it's generally the way people roll...
So I don't know if that is your issue but I thought I'd throw it in. :)
This is a pearl of wisdom here.
I haven't totally mastered it yet but I have a pretty good handle on what it takes.
In fact I am gendered female without hesitation even after my son calls me "daddy" in public... and he has absolutely no inhibitions about doing so. All comes down to how it all comes together, and yes, my chest shows prominently.
Quote from: Annabolton on April 03, 2015, 09:39:58 PM
how tall and what are some measurements?
I'm exactly 6 feet tall.
Chest:36 inches
Waist:32 inches
Underbust:33.5 inches (wide ribcage that sticks out :/)
Hips: 34 inches
Wrist: little over 7 inches
Forearm: 10 inches
Bicep: 11 inches
Head circumference: 23.7 inches (very big)
Theigh: 21 inches
Calf: 14 inches
Ankle: 9.75 inches
Shoe size: Women's 12
Hand length: (from middle finger to wrist) 8 inches
Hand width: (across palm) 3 inches
I can give details for each too, but yeah, these are the base measurements of my body. As you can see, one big problem I have is my lack of hips. The other two mainly being my ginormous head (it really is massive irl), and my lack of a more definable waist due to a ribcage that sticks out at the sides.
Laser has been very very kind to my face and I barely have to shave at all anymore, as well as having a relatively normal amount of body hair for a cis woman at this point, so those aren't problems.
I've posted pictures before, and on other threads but it's honestly usually a bit unhelpful as I'm often bombarded with "OMG YOU LOOK SO CUTE AND CIS" and not much else and while I agree with the cute part generally, it just isn't the case because I just am never read as female. Standing alone in the mirror I can sometimes see that I look ok, but as soon as any other woman, no matter her size, is next to me, it becomes all too obvious that my frame is distinctly male compared to theirs.
I could again, but yeah, that's why I didn't initially.
I don't think any of your measurements are particularly big, aside from height and torso measurements (and shoe size) we are pretty similar. I'm 5'7".
I once went to a social group for LGBT people, and only women turned up. I felt like a monster around them, until another girl arrived. She was over six foot and of quite masculine build but she was clearly cis. Work on all the things you can change and people are less likely to question the things you can't.
If you do want honest feedback then post a picture, it's a bit hard to comment otherwise.
Quote from: Ms Grace on April 03, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
When I tried to transition back in 1990 I passed sometimes and not others. It usually came down to how I dressed and presented myself. In a dress, yes no problem whatsoever. In jeans - no. But I can pass in jeans now, easily.
So what changed?
I realised this time that even when dressing in jeans women tend to wear different styles of clothing - with different cuts and colours, plus of course their shoes, jewellery, accessories and they way they style their hair, plus of course dressing to their figure and trying to give their bosom some prominence. It all adds up to a statement of their "femininity". That is easy enough to copy and you don't have to go overboard. When I wear jeans I might wear a women's tee with very short sleeves and a lower cut neckline, I might wear one bracelet and a necklace, a little bit of make-up but not that much, I might wear sandals or a casual deck shoes with the cuff of the jeans rolled up to 3/4. Add a handbag or a tote and the overall effect works very well... and I'm 6'3". But if I went out in a loose baggy andro tee, a back pack and nondescript jeans and sand shoes then I would look a lot more like a "dude" despite my hair and boobs.
The more andro you dress the more people will look for other cues (like height, facial features) to gender you. Not fair but it's generally the way people roll...
So I don't know if that is your issue but I thought I'd throw it in. :)
^^^^^ Everything Ms Grace said is true.^^^^^
We have all been there at one point or another. Another BIG part of passing is attitude and confidence. Let's remember that most people are so absorbed in their own little world that they wouldn't notice another human being standing next to them if that person were on fire. If you are walking around thinking "Oh, I don't pass; what if someone clocks me?" you are going to get clocked. People often smell the fear and discomfort more than they notice physical appearance. You put out a vibe that others pick up on. If you walk around with the attitude "I am me, and I am a woman". You will pass far more often than you think or could even imagine.
Head's up and sell it sister, you are beautiful.
Quote from: allisonsteph on April 04, 2015, 06:25:48 AM
^^^^^ Everything Ms Grace said is true.^^^^^
We have all been there at one point or another. Another BIG part of passing is attitude and confidence. Let's remember that most people are so absorbed in their own little world that they wouldn't notice another human being standing next to them if that person were on fire. If you are walking around thinking "Oh, I don't pass; what if someone clocks me?" you are going to get clocked. People often smell the fear and discomfort more than they notice physical appearance. You put out a vibe that others pick up on. If you walk around with the attitude "I am me, and I am a woman". You will pass far more often than you think or could even imagine.
Head's up and sell it sister, you are beautiful.
Attitude and confidence is important but it's not going to prevent you from being read. I've have friends that are trans women who still look like "trans" women, but they are OK with that. They are happier being their true selves so it doesn't matter.
I think before we set false hope for OP, the real message is that confidence does help in coping but it isn't going to help in the physical department. I think Ms. Grace's ideas would go a lot farther than confidence. I will agree without confidence you give off a weird vibes which will draw attention to you, but either way people can tell.
The bottom line is that some people hit the genetic/HRT lottery and some dont. The people that aren't so fortunate, learn to live with it and build a thick skin because being themselves is more important than pleasing others. Or they have Lots of surgery. Life isn't fair but you can either make the best of what you have and come to terms with things you can't change, or risk being unhappy all your life.
How important is it to you to be your true self?
Quote from: lemons on April 03, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
I started transition at 24 on the cusp of 25....it actually will be 3 years tomorrow I've been on HRT. I still don't pass...I've been correctly gendered a couple dozen times when I was out at my old job, but ever when I'm wearing a jacket or out on the street. Never, ever, always seen as male 100%. Everyone says I'm cute and such, and I can see that, but I'm also really massively built, bigger than any cis woman ever unless they were a weightlifter and I'm built thin so it just makes me look like a tall teenage boy. I really wanna be able to pass most of the time or at least walk down the street without a lot of harrassment for being trans...I don't even need to be stealth, just enough to get me by in short interactions with people. I'm worried even FFS won't be enough...I'm just too damn big...
Well you could do a few things...
growing your hair out... you could look up hairstyles for trans people... bangs for example and shoulder length hair or longer might be advantageous...
as others have said, accessoires... and unobtrusive jackets etc for females... not overdoing it...
well models are over 6 ft... and the advantage of trans people are often very long feet :) . With trousers of the right colour and the right pockets in the back this can be emphasized, for example...
the same goes for sweaters, for example... colours and cuts make a difference...
you might look up a few makeup techniques, there is one video for example " Plastic Surgery With MakeUp Fuller, Bigger Lips " where you can make your lips appear bigger, and much more feminine... its possible for example to use unobtrusive colours...
you might think about nourishing products for your face skin...
makeup products imo preferably organic and from plants like coconut oil or jojoba oil (unless allergic of course)... not mineral based...
better imo a few quality products than many non quality...
you might try nutrition and a bit of exercise... more vegetables and fruits, in a healthy variety... less carbonated and high sugar drinks... and regular exercises like walking, swimming or biking... high quality oils and butter instead of artificial fats...
there are a few threads on voices... beside pitch, there are a few things like a bit more breathiness... using more indirect language... more intonation... this might be trained quite fast...
using some pastimes to get into contact with your female side... cooking, gardening, being creative... this might help with just getting a overall more feminine emanation... of course only if you really like those pastimes...
I'd say just keep at it...
and you could practice first with a few friends who are likely to give a good feedback...
hugs
Your pictures only prove what others have said. The hair style and cut of the clothing among a few things will make the difference. You look more female in some of the pictures than others, but overall you don't look bad in any of them. The hairstyle, accessories, and possibly even makeup could only help improve your look. The two pictures that look like they are from your bathroom I think you look the best in actually in my opinion. Hugs and good luck
Mariah
Here is where the problem lies, though. This is me only at 17, and you can see I'm distinctly bigger than the average girl. So much so that it's juuuust outside of cis female ranges. I don't even mean height either, just general size of my build like my head and torso.
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As others will point out. Height isn't an issue many on her are taller than the average girl. Even my height is on the high end for the average girl. I wouldn't let certain dimensions of your body bother you because there is nothing that really can be done about them. As far ribcage which doesn't look bad in any photo is all that will result in the size of breasts sometimes looking smaller as a result of that making it look like you need a bigger cup size to compensate for it, but reality your size isn't any problem. There are many on here over 6 feet tall who sizes are bigger than the average girl and they transition just fine. Confidence in yourself could and will take you along ways when it comes to this. As far as shoe size I started out with and 11w or 12 depending on the shoe, but have lost a little size since then and in some cases I can fit down as small as a 10 now. Hugs.
Mariah
Quote from: lemons on April 04, 2015, 08:52:41 AM
Here is where the problem lies, though. This is me only at 17, and you can see I'm distinctly bigger than the average girl. So much so that it's juuuust outside of cis female ranges. I don't even mean height either, just general size of my build like my head and torso.
I don't give in to height, I am 6'0 and I am fine with how I look. Terry Farrell is 6'0 also, and looks great. There are plenty of tall CIS women.
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30400000/Terry-Farrell-Becker-terry-farrell-30423179-1548-1919.jpg
Have you looked into waist training? That might give you the mid section you are looking for, its what I am doing atm.
Being six feet tall is not going to be the deciding factor in whether or not you pass. Have you ever seen a tall woman, and clocked her as trans just because she was tall? Being tall can make you stand out more, and you will look bigger than most other girls in pictures, but it's nothing that any other tall woman wouldn't experience. And when I look at your photos, I do see a woman. It's hard to see exactly what you look like, because some of the pictures are blurry or you are standing too far from the mirror to get a good look, but what I do see looks completely female to me. I understand you say you have trouble passing, and I believe you, but you have to understand that from what I can see, it's not your body that is the problem. As others have said, a change of hairstyle may help, since your current style is a little androgynous. Also, voice is very important too. A lot of girls who would be completely passable otherwise get clocked because of their voice. But please try to understand, no one is humoring you if they say you look passable in your pictures. You really do, and if you're not passing in real life, it may be something that goes beyond your appearance.
Quote from: akegia on April 04, 2015, 09:11:09 AM
I don't give in to height, I am 6'0 and I am fine with how I look. Terry Farrell is 6'0 also, and looks great. There are plenty of tall CIS women.
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30400000/Terry-Farrell-Becker-terry-farrell-30423179-1548-1919.jpg
Have you looked into waist training? That might give you the mid section you are looking for, its what I am doing atm.
As I'd said before, my height doesn't bother me....plenty of cis women models who are 6 feet tall as well as many trans women over 6 feet who I know have transitioned fine.
If your height isn't what bothers you, then what does. What about you are concerned about then if it isn't the height because your body doesn't look to big at all. The photo you posted with the other person only shows you being taller than someone else and everything else being similar in size.
Mariah
Like I said before, general frame size. I have a large frame. I have a big head and a big wide ribcage, even though it doesn't measure as such, as well as lack of hips. I hope that FFS can make my head look a little smaller with jaw reduction and forehead as I've seen in some before and afters...it's just too massive as it is right now, but I'm not getting my hopes up it will ever look in normal ranges for a tall cis woman.
All your other numbers are equal if not smaller than the rest of us. My ribcage at it's widest point is 37. Your starting at a 36. The lack of hips can be dealt with a few ways which many of them don't require surgery. Secondly, there are many woman out there that don't have very big hips. You actually have some great numbers to start out with. In many ways your very petite already.
Mariah
Quote from: lemons on April 04, 2015, 10:03:10 AM
Like I said before, general frame size. I have a large frame. I have a big head and a big wide ribcage, even though it doesn't measure as such, as well as lack of hips. I hope that FFS can make my head look a little smaller with jaw reduction and forehead as I've seen in some before and afters...it's just too massive as it is right now, but I'm not getting my hopes up it will ever look in normal ranges for a tall cis woman.
Quote from: lemons on April 04, 2015, 10:03:10 AM
Like I said before, general frame size. I have a large frame. I have a big head and a big wide ribcage, even though it doesn't measure as such, as well as lack of hips. I hope that FFS can make my head look a little smaller with jaw reduction and forehead as I've seen in some before and afters...it's just too massive as it is right now, but I'm not getting my hopes up it will ever look in normal ranges for a tall cis woman.
Do you really believe that these things will keep you from passing, even knowing that there are lot's of other transgender girls, and even some cisgender girls, who pass as female just fine despite having similar issues?
Hi lemons,
On the surface this may seem contrary to what can be taken from many of these posts e.g. dressing slightly different etc.. What I find for myself to work, for lack of any other term I call it 'disarming', and can be done even if the method does not match how you really feel inside.
In my transition I began a slow evolution of how I presented to others. This change involved a slow pushing of the envelope, but not too fast, it was and is more about an evolution of allowing myself to take further and further risks. Rather than focus on how 'others' were percieving me, I concentrated of becoming comfortable with each new development. As I slowly began to see happiness in my smile due to my sense of accomplishment, it turned into confidence.
This turned out to be even bigger than how my style of dress etc. was changing, people would notice the authentic look on my face first which had a big disarming effect and sort of short circuited further critical examination. For me this had an incredible feed back loop type of result: their smile increased my confidence which made my smile more genuine.....and so on.
Risk changed to YEAH! There are those rare people who will not allow their intolerance to be self examined, so when this happens, I say to myself: "Hmmmm, they are just not happy, but I am!" The smile gets bigger ;D. Dani
Quote from: Mariah2014 on April 04, 2015, 10:09:54 AM
All your other numbers are equal if not smaller than the rest of us. My ribcage at it's widest point is 37. Your starting at a 36. The lack of hips can be dealt with a few ways which many of them don't require surgery. Secondly, there are many woman out there that don't have very big hips. You actually have some great numbers to start out with. In many ways your very petite already.
Mariah
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Starting out?
I've been on HRT for 3 years. Did you not read the OP?
Lemons, I missed the three year part, but still my point still stands that your frame isn't an issue. I'm sorry that you feel that is and I can understand that, but many trans and CIS woman have a bigger ripcage than you have. We call come in different shapes and sizes. Good luck
Mariah
Honestly biggest issue comes down to my head size which is just enormous. It looks way too big to be read as female.
Is it possible for you to give us a closer and less blurry shot of your head. It might help us give you more personalized recommendations.
Mariah
Quote from: lemons on April 04, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
Honestly biggest issue comes down to my head size which is just enormous. It looks way too big to be read as female.
Walking around with these kinds of thoughts in your head don't help.. I'm 5'7 with a similar sized head but it's not something I even think about until I see threads like this. You've got the looks, you just need some confidence and a positive attitude to go with it.
I know, I know, so many here will decry the idea that a positive attitude and confidence are any help in passing. But, you know what, it does help.
Absolute honesty: I don't see anything that makes you unpassable in those picks. Yeah you are bigger than the average woman but in no way outside normal ranges. It will just keep getting better as well; people often seem to think that most changes are done after 2/3 years but I often think that trans women who transitioned a fair time ago tend to grow into their looks a bit more.
The shape and size of your face are not bad at all. So much so that I would definitely say pass in the second pick even with your current hair length, but you don't look bad in either pick.
Mariah
Hun you are gorgeous - and no, I'm not being kind.
We are all odd-shaped in our own ways. Cis or non-cis!
Don't beat yourself up over it. In fact, it is the quirks we dislike in ourselves that others so often find intriguing and appealing!
For example, I like a boy with a big roman nose, a twisted smile, and bushy eyebrows.
Somebody is going to go wild over you. I guarantee it.
Second pic passes for me.
Quote from: SarahBoo on April 04, 2015, 07:23:14 PM
Hun you are gorgeous - and no, I'm not being kind.
We are all odd-shaped in our own ways. Cis or non-cis!
Don't beat yourself up over it. In fact, it is the quirks we dislike in ourselves that others so often find intriguing and appealing!
For example, I like a boy with a big roman nose, a twisted smile, and bushy eyebrows.
Somebody is going to go wild over you. I guarantee it.
I really don't care about being pretty. I mean I do, but it doesn't worry me. I just wanna pass for female. I could be the plainest looking woman ever and if I could simply blend in I'd be satisfied.
Quote from: ImagineKate on April 04, 2015, 10:12:31 PM
Second pic passes for me.
lol the one where you can see I have a giant cinderblock head?
Quote from: lemons on April 04, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
lol the one where you can see I have a giant cinderblock head?
No the one where I can see your feminine shoulders and your boobs.
Hi Lemon,
First of all I just want to acknowledge that as a transwoman myself, I know how it feels when you are out in public trying to pass. It's mentally and physically exhausting.
However, I must tell you that you are presenting yourself quite well as a woman and I think what's missing if I may say it is your confidence.
You have to own your truth and weaknesses. It starts with owning that you are a transwoman and there's indeed some biological/physiological differences. However, it doesn't make you less of a woman. You have to own your womanhood and when you start living your life inside the context of "I am a woman" no one can question that because you simply are a woman.
In my own experience, I've been on dates recently and ever since I took on this approach not even a second glance was given. I am just a woman dating a guy period. Although, all of the guys I dated knew I was trans but I was treated no less than a cis woman period.
Work on your confidence babe, you are beautiful.
Love,
April
The point I'm trying to make is that, if you are looking to the outside world for validation, that is the wrong place!
This must come from within. It doesn't matter what you are seeking validation for - being gendered female, being a good person, being a success, whatever. We all have personal standards that we hope to meet.
When you have validation within, nothing can stop you.
Lemons, I'll add my voice in saying that you look beautifully femme in your photos. The farming district where I live was originally colonised by Norwegians and Dutch immigrants and I can tell you that some of the local women around here are bigger in both height and bone structure than me and I'm 5ft 11". I'd like to be a fly on the wall looking on should anybody be stupid enough to tell them that they aren't women.
Hi lemons, I completely understand you I'm a big headed girl myself (23 inches), but it really helps making yourshoulders appear smaller by comparison... Also, you might wanna try waist training with a corset, it's hard to do, but it might help for the waist problem. Good luck girl <3 For anything please message me, also wearing long hair helps cover the fact that your head looks too big in comparison to your body... I hope ffs can help us both with reductions, I have a big head and i'm 165 cm or 5'5'' so it's even more noticeable in my opinion. Again the girls here gave you a lot of great tips! I think that you can become very passable, and have you been on hrt? PM for anything really! And Good luck with your transition and everything!
Hi Lemons :) Your head and body look proportionate to me I totally understand the big head part (5'7" with a 24.5 inch head for me) but it's not an insurmountable problem, most cis girls with big heads have had their whole life to come to terms with the size and find ways to cover up little issues like ours and usually use hair to cover up and disguise their head size... you would be amazed how different hair styles will change your look. I guess my point is don't give up... get some help, see a beautician or wig maker and see what they have to offer that can help (our large heads make it difficult to impossible to buy wigs off the shelf but extensions are available). I agree with Serena corset training may be the best way for you to reduce the size of your lower rib cage (I may have to do that myself when I get to that point) as it will help you achieve that hourglass shape most cis-women naturally have.
Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 05, 2015, 03:04:42 AM
I think that you can become very passable, and have you been on hrt?
This is like the third time I've stated this. HRT for 3 years now.
Quote from: lemons on April 05, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
This is like the third time I've stated this. HRT for 3 years now.
Oh ok I'm sorry
Okay, I risk being late on this topic. I have to give my opinion even if it doesn't bring any new information.
I'd gender all pictures as female except the one with two persons on it. I can only see a beautiful female. I'm sorry but I have to tell you that I cannot see enough male characteristics to actually gender you male. In fact the underwear picture is hot. (Did I mention I attribute myself lesbian?)
I'd guess the problem is familiarity. You are very familiar with yourself being male so you only see those elements which affirm your view. I'm not familiar with your old self as others in this thread aren't. We don't have any familiarity to rely on, so we have to judge by the whole.
That said, I don't know you. I might be absolutely wrong with my guess. But I still want to encourage you to embrace your feminine body parts. (Cis females have male body parts too.)
Quote from: Pia Bianca on April 06, 2015, 01:43:19 AM
Okay, I risk being late on this topic. I have to give my opinion even if it doesn't bring any new information.
I'd gender all pictures as female except the one with two persons on it. I can only see a beautiful female.
You mean this picture? because uhh...I'm the one of the right in it.
Quote from: lemons on April 04, 2015, 08:52:41 AM
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Quote from: lemons on April 06, 2015, 10:41:10 AM
You mean this picture? because uhh...I'm the one of the right in it.
Yeah, this is the only picture in which I'd gender you male. All other pictures I'd gender female.
Quote from: Pia Bianca on April 06, 2015, 02:44:52 PM
Yeah, this is the only picture in which I'd gender you male. All other pictures I'd gender female.
Yeah, that was pre transition me.
You do realize that almost all runway models are 5'8" to 6'2" tall? A few are shorter than that but the general model is tall. And downtown in Houston I see scads and scads of tall women.
Three out of four of my closest cisgender female friends are 5'11", 5'11" and 6'0" respectively.
I think you need to work on visual cues, maybe voice (?), and mannerisms. Visual cues might be enhanced via choice of clothing style and hair length especially.
It is never "Too late" to transition. You transition whenever you are ready.
I'm 63 I wish I could of started hormones at 15 , but I was unlucky to have been born in the 50's when everything was a communist plot. Oh how I wish I could of had the proper life , but the cards played out differently . I'm just thankful for the time I have left on this planet I can do it the way it's supposed to be.
Quote from: LizMarie on April 06, 2015, 08:34:06 PM
You do realize that almost all runway models are 5'8" to 6'2" tall? A few are shorter than that but the general model is tall. And downtown in Houston I see scads and scads of tall women.
Three out of four of my closest cisgender female friends are 5'11", 5'11" and 6'0" respectively.
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For the last time. My height. Does not bother me. For this exact reason.
Rather, it's my frame. It's large. Larger than it would be on a cis woman that height. This is what I'm getting at.
Quote from: lemons on April 07, 2015, 10:08:55 PM
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For the last time. My height. Does not bother me. For this exact reason.
Rather, it's my frame. It's large. Larger than it would be on a cis woman that height. This is what I'm getting at.
I guess you are working on some kind of 'average' size.. Guess what? There's no such thing as average, at least anywhere but purely statistical values. I wish I could show you a pic of an old friend, Melissa.. She was about 5'4ish and a good 4-5" wider across the shoulders than me.. She also didn't have the most feminine facial features. No one ever called her a man, at least not based on her looks/build.. Her attitude was a different matter. I can say with complete authority Melissa is completely cis. Or I could talk about my friend Belinda, who likewise would fail your frame size test.. Or Emma.. Or any number of other cis women I know or have met. You seem to be holding yourself to some kind of impossible to meet standard that many cis women don't meet.
The 'ideal' figure only exists on paper.. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can get on with life.
Yeah, I went through a ton of pictures of women the other day, all with varying body types and so on; none of them had shoulders that were shorter in width than their hips. Some were even, but most were broader. Also, statistically speaking the average size of a woman's head in proportion to their body is larger than a males.
Who I hope to like like body wise: Ronda Rousey.
The cheeky little goblin inside me wants to say 'but you're pretty' just to bring on the fifth-and-final-time ...
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Ok folks. It's wonderful that we all share pictures, but once you get tired of them being on here and want them removed all you need to do is remove them from the image host. By doing this, they will be removed from Susan's too. Thanks
Mariah
What if you use them elsewhere?
As far as this site goes it goes for everywhere on this site except the gallery. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: lemons on August 10, 2015, 06:49:11 PM
What if you use them elsewhere?