I would be interested now that her running for POTUS is looking pretty solid (as if it were not before ::)), any info people in the know have on this subject would be appreciated. Views on legislation or her own particpation while in office etc..
P.S. Because this is an almost exclusive political news thing, I placed this here rather than discussions. If anyone thinks discussion is better......well ok by me. Dani
I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...
Quote from: marsh monster on April 11, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...
I thought carpet baggers came down south from the north? Didn't she start in Arkansas? But honestly when you consider and compare the likely republican field who do you expect will be more LGBT friendly? There is no doubt in my mind but ideology often trumps common sense in that so many people vote for those that will deny their rights. Go figure;-)
Quote from: marsh monster on April 11, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...
I'm with you. I'm sort of hoping another scandal bigger than the emails comes up soon so someone else can take the front runner position.
That being said, it was under her watch that the state department changed their policy to make it easier for trans people to change their gender marker on passports.
Quote from: Tessa James on April 11, 2015, 01:16:01 PM
I thought carpet baggers came down south from the north? Didn't she start in Arkansas? But honestly when you consider and compare the likely republican field who do you expect will be more LGBT friendly? There is no doubt in my mind but ideology often trumps common sense in that so many people vote for those that will deny their rights. Go figure;-)
There's also a second definition.
Currently, I think our economy needs a lot of work, along with some major reform in our government. Where candidates stand on that is what I'm more interested in this election cycle. A few more rights aren't going to be much if too many people are having to continue to struggle just to keep the lights on.
Personally, I have little faith in most of our current politicians from any party, but I am not going to just vote for someone on what they might do if the political winds are right for them where a small segment of our population is concerned. At least not right now so long as so many things are wrong overall.
Quote from: marsh monster on April 11, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
I don't trust her to take a solid stand on much of anything to be honest. She's a carpet bagger...
Our nation can't afford the possibility of another 4 or 8 years like the last 7 years. Our position in the world has been drastically diminished and the separation of powers in the Constitution has been drastically distorted in favor of the executive branch. Our individual rights are rapidly being denied by the government. If the current trend continues much longer our country could easily become a third world dictatorship.
Sorry, I made a mistake when I moved the post. Please accept my apologies. The link is corrected.
Quote from: Cynthia Michelle on April 11, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
Sorry, I made a mistake when I moved the post. Please accept my apologies. The link is corrected.
I wondered about that. When you lock a thread you usually identify yourself and note they reason for locking it. Everybody is entitled to make a mistake occasionally.
Quote from: Tessa James on April 11, 2015, 01:16:01 PM
I thought carpet baggers came down south from the north? Didn't she start in Arkansas?
Actually she grew up in Illinois and went to Wellesley College and Yale. I think that technically qualifies. She didn't move to Arkansas until she married Bill.
With that said coming from a northern state doesn't seem to me to be a strike against her. Being the first female board member of Walmart on the hand says much more about her views. Personally I would prefer Elizabeth Warren, she seems much more interested in helping people, not just the rich.
Anyway just my two cents,
Paige :)
It took me a few minutes to figure out what I had done wrong. The direct to was sent to Politics under Admin and not General. Marsh Monster sent me a PM and gave me a clue. I followed up the clue and it showed me I have sent the post to Admin Political and not General Political. Again sorry for the confusion.
This is a great thread. I usually do not post in the political forum.
I voted for Hillary in the primary when she ran last for POTUS. I think she was the best candidate running then. I do not like some of the potential candidates positions running or about to run now. One from Florida (Rubio) is openly anti LGBT.
Until we have the right to buy a home, rent an apartment, buy a hot dog and work and be open in the whole country we are oppressed. When a fraction of society is openly oppressed then society as a whole is the problem and feel entitled to oppress. If they oppress me today they may oppress you tomorrow.
just my 5 cents worth.
http://tytnetwork.tumblr.com/post/104431719797/micdotcom-these-7-congresspeople-just-killed
It is with trepidation that I enter into the political minefield as this is the one place where i have experienced the most personal flaming on this site. Let us please be civil and attempt to create more light than heat. The above link was posted here last year and it is but one example of the republican POTUS field and the party position on civil rights for LGBTQIA people. If it is the economy, then how can one dismiss the Bush decade that featured the biggest recession/depression of our lifetime? It is the current administration that helped to bring about the current recovery and lowest unemployment rate in many years. It is easy to demonize all politicians but this is a country where you can be a citizen legislator. I have been an elected public official since 1993 and suggest we consider that we can "be the change we want to see." Get involved! ;D
I won't vote for another Clinton any more than I will vote for another Bush. We don't need dynastic presidencies in this country built on name recognition alone.
We have 300 million Americans I can bet some can do just as good of a job being president, as those two families or even better. Like Elizabeth Warren.
Bill Clinton signed DOMA. That's enough for me to never even consider another Clinton.
I'd go for warren, at least I wouldn't feel like I was voting for the lesser of two evils then. But so far, she says she won't run.
The current administration is not at all responsible for any "recovery" that has happened. In fact, there has been no recovery at all. There HAS been a major shift in definitions by the cbc, and who counts as unemployed. The economy is growing slower then the rate of inflation. The value of the dollar (a much more accurate reflection of economic health) has gone down nearly 20% since 2009.
[Bashing Republicans removed]
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See, the trick is to ignore the rhetoric/lies/propaganda politicians spew (it is their goal to tell you anything that will get you to vote for them) and pay attention to their actions.
Once elected, there is no functional difference between most democrats and Republicans.
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Quote from: Susan on July 27, 2006, 07:45:44 PM
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Enough said!
You can talk about policies and the pros and cons, but you cannot come in and bash or flame people or groups period.
This thread is about Hillary Clinton and transgender rights. Let's stick to that please.
Hillary has been outspoken on some occasions about LGBT rights while working as Secretary of State. Most of this revolves around the fact that other countries around the world are so backwards with respect to this. For example, laws in other countries that make sexual orientation or gender identity a crime.
Based upon what I can find, they are actually very supportive of transgender rights and are largely against discrimination due to race or gender of any kind. Although Clinton signed DOMA, he has mentioned that he didn't think it was the right thing to do, that it was unconstitutional, and he would have been unable to veto it. When he signed it, he put a note on it that indicated that he did not think it would be constitutional if it allowed for discrimination. He has also been outspoken about overturning it lately, claiming that it now actually causes discrimination.
Quote from: Deinewelt on April 11, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
Hillary has been outspoken on some occasions about LGBT rights while working as Secretary of State. Most of this revolves around the fact that other countries around the world are so backwards with respect to this. For example, laws in other countries that make sexual orientation or gender identity a crime.
Based upon what I can find, they are actually very supportive of transgender rights and are largely against discrimination due to race or gender of any kind. Although Clinton signed DOMA, he has mentioned that he didn't think it was the right thing to do, that it was unconstitutional, and he would have been unable to veto it. When he signed it, he put a note on it that indicated that he did not think it would be constitutional if it allowed for discrimination. He has also been outspoken about overturning it lately, claiming that it now actually causes discrimination.
Actions speak louder than words.
The actions of not only the Clintons but also Barney Frank pretty much tells me that they are all lip service about trans rights, and only up until fairly recently, gay rights too. ENDA should have been pushed through when there was a super majority. The fact that we can't even get an ENDA bill passed and signed in a heavily democratic controlled state like New York speaks volumes. This is real for me because right now I am vulnerable as I work in New York.
BTW my employer has been extremely accommodating about me and has a strong non discrimination policy. in no way are they aligned with "progressive" causes. They simply value their employees and their lives inside and outside work. It's a choice I made to work for them. They have treated me well.
FACT: the biggest wins for LGBT have been in the courts, thanks to the hard work of organizations such as lambda legal. I support them and their mission.
FACT: PR is what won it and will win it for same sex marriage. Humanizing gay people helped a lot. Seeing an old lesbian couple on the court steps won hearts and minds. Seeing people like Laverne cox and Jazz Jennings will help us. But also seeing non passable trans women and men in a good light as good citizens will help too. Shows like OITNB and transparent help a lot. Give it time.
I am a libertarian for a very good reason. I believe everyone has the right to be left alone by the Government. Reminds me of the sun and the wind fable. Kindness wins. Amazing how so many people who decry war will have no problem with and advocate a government putting its boot on the throat of its own citizens. I think any government force is despicable.
Just out of curiosity, in what way do you feel that the government has put a boot on your throat recently? I hear this a lot, but never hear an explanation. I am sincerely interested, not mounting an attack.
Quote from: Kylie on April 11, 2015, 10:16:44 PM
Just out of curiosity, in what way do you feel that the government has put a boot on your throat recently? I hear this a lot, but never hear an explanation. I am sincerely interested, not mounting an attack.
Certainly.
For starters, the alternative minimum tax. It's a tax designed for rich people to "pay their fair share." Problem is it's triggered for me because we have the combination of 3 kids, a house with a mortgage and sufficient income to sustain those in New Jersey which is a high cost of living state. No kids, no AMT. We never paid it as DINKs. Usually you hear of people getting tax breaks if they have kids. well, we don't. We get punished for it.
Ever increasing property taxes are another. There were years we saw $1000 per year increases per year. We are almost at $10,000 per year. There is no opt out short of selling your house and moving.
I thought you were going in a different direction with that. That is crazy that 3 kids would trigger AMT, that makes no sense at all. I just wish they would go to a graduated flat tax and get rid of all of the nonsense, deductions and loopholes. I don't see why I should get tax deductions for buying things that other people may not be able to afford, that makes no sense either. I am philosophically a libertarian which makes it hard to vote for either party, but my lack of religion and my faith in empirical evidence leans me more to the democrat side when I choose an evil.
To the actual thread topic......I agree with Susan. Hilary's transgender stance doesn't matter a whole lot to me, I don't like the idea of political dynasties and would probably not vote for Clinton or Bush. The more entrenched the politician, the more favors they owe, the less they will work for the citizens except in a few rare cases. I wish someone like a Colin Powell would step up, but I fear the recent political climate will keep any decent/honest candidates from stepping in.
I have seen a lot of politicians promise a certain group of people the moon and then renege on the promises or not act on them when they reach office. There is some improvement in rights for our group during the Obama administration. This from a moderate Republican. There are other things I didn't like on his other decisions though. I do not bash the President of the United States nor call him and his wife dirty things like my some of my Republican brethern do. This applies to Hillary Clinton as well. She does have a good stance on transgender rights as with some of the good things she has done in the past. However, the current roster of probables for the 2016 presidential ticket is the worst I've seen since I started voting in 1972, including Ms. Clinton. She's in the middle of the ratings.
Joelene
I would appreciate it if all could stay on task within this thread please. When I first started this I would have loved to state my own feelings toward her, not to mention all of the non-transgender rights issues, but I wanted this to be a focused topic. Maybe someone else can start a thread addressing the other facets of her negative or positive aspects. Thanks Much, Dani
Hillary Clinton made some very strong statements on LGBT rights while serving as Secretary of State. She is the one who originated the statement that gay rights are human rights. She is the person who banned gender identity discrimination in the State Department before it was banned throughout the federal government. The current policy on changing passports was adopted on her watch.
I actually feel pretty good about her as an ally of trans* people. Now . . . I'm not sure she'd be my first choice as a candidate for president. But that's another issue.
It was during Clinton's tenure at State that her Department wrote to its primary insurance providers, urging coverage of transgender medical care. Thanks to those efforts, at least one and maybe more of those providers now allow such treatments to be reimbursed,as of this year. Also, Clinton pushed strongly for equal status for for same sex domestic partners of State employees, and in fact I believe her Department led the way on those issues among the U.S. agencies. I consider her a proven advocate for gay and transgender issues.
In the end, it doesn't really matter what her record on the subject is. Obama has already done as much as he can with executive authority and I don't believe any Democratic candidate would undo that. Congress is going to have to flip for there to be any more significant progress.
So apparently this happened today. Cant say I'm exactly surprised
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/politics/hillary-clinton-same-sex-marriage/index.html
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Quote from: TransSasha on April 15, 2015, 08:31:05 PM
So apparently this happened today. Cant say I'm exactly surprised
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/politics/hillary-clinton-same-sex-marriage/index.html
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She's been for gay rights for a while. I don't see how it's for "convenience" as implied others in the article.
Quote from: jennyfer on April 12, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
It was during Clinton's tenure at State that her Department wrote to its primary insurance providers, urging coverage of transgender medical care. Thanks to those efforts, at least one and maybe more of those providers now allow such treatments to be reimbursed,as of this year. Also, Clinton pushed strongly for equal status for for same sex domestic partners of State employees, and in fact I believe her Department led the way on those issues among the U.S. agencies. I consider her a proven advocate for gay and transgender issues.
She is the one who conducted all of her official business on a private email server and had a subordinate fired for doing the same.
Quote from: Newgirl Dani on April 11, 2015, 12:30:41 PM
I would be interested now that her running for POTUS is looking pretty solid (as if it were not before ::)), any info people in the know have on this subject would be appreciated. Views on legislation or her own particpation while in office etc..
P.S. Because this is an almost exclusive political news thing, I placed this here rather than discussions. If anyone thinks discussion is better......well ok by me. Dani
Don't expect any politician to be a friend to any of us. Plus I would say don't put all of your trust in one person because that's a guaranteed way to fail. Look at the the LGBT protections that are getting peeled back at the state level. Heck even towns and school districts get tied up in knots over "bathroom bills". The people who speak for the community are doing a pretty bad job of educating people or putting the wrong message out.
Hillary Clinton is a liar and a hypocrite. The only things she cares about is the almighty buck and power. Those people who think she will stand up for anyone else's rights are gong to be terribly disappointed, if elected.
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Sad to say but we are not the Koch brothers with millions to spend influencing the elections. So we are left with one powerful tool. Our vote!
Educating ourselves about a candidates record or platform need not include invective and ad hominem attacks.
Let us please stick to the facts as best we can find them.
Nothing will happen for transgender rights even if we elected Secret Squirrel to be our president. People at the local and state level still cannot wrap their brains around transgender people. If we can't win there, we might as well forget it altogether. They might say wonderful things to appease certain people in the community, but in the ballot box do you honestly believe that anyone would give a rat's hiney about TG people??? Seriously?? You cannot legislate people to act a certain way. It will never work and will set back our cause 100 years. Instead look at the bigger picture when voting. Hillary is a war hawk like the republicans. She will get us sucked into something else with ground troops and drone strikes. The madness has to end sometime. I'm not saying republicans are any better. Many of them are war mongers like Hillary. I'm thinking we need to look a little further afield for a candidate.
Quote from: Tessa James on April 26, 2015, 06:44:54 PM
Sad to say but we are not the Koch brothers with millions to spend influencing the elections. So we are left with one powerful tool. Our vote!
Educating ourselves about a candidates record or platform need not include invective and ad hominem attacks.
Let us please stick to the facts as best we can find them.
Our votes don't count anymore. The same billionaires control both parties. While we are sitting here fighting over stupid points of order, the rich are cleaning out the banks and treasury with everything they can carry. This isn't just about the Koch brothers. It's about the Gates, Buffets, Waltons, etc. They control the majority of the wealth and can do anything they want. They throw us a bone every now and then so that we will be happy and continue to show up for work ontime. Other than that? We are just the people who keep them rich and behinds polished.
Quote from: gennee on April 26, 2015, 06:24:02 PM
Those people who think she will stand up for anyone else's rights are gong to be terribly disappointed, if elected.
But she already has. I would understand if you questioned the motivation behind her actions, but she has at least done something.
I will vote for Hillary if she wins the primary because I think that most of the politicians (with some possible exceptions) being considered for the Republican Nomination are hostile to LGBT equality. I do not wish for her to win the nomination though because I think it is a bad idea for political power to become concentrated in the hands of a only a few families. I would like an Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders presidency, but I have a feeling that is unlikely. There are far worse choices for president though.
Currently the only possible exception of non-hostility to LGBT groups would be the new Republican candidate who announced a few days ago. I can't for the life of me remember her name but apparently she was horribad at maintaining a company and almost ran it in to the ground. Though I suspect she's not any better.
Quote from: Tessa James on April 26, 2015, 06:44:54 PM
Sad to say but we are not the Koch brothers with millions to spend influencing the elections. So we are left with one powerful tool. Our vote!
And the liberals have George Soros who is even worse than the Koch brothers.
Quote from: BenKenobi on April 27, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
Currently the only possible exception of non-hostility to LGBT groups would be the new Republican candidate who announced a few days ago. I can't for the life of me remember her name but apparently she was horribad at maintaining a company and almost ran it in to the ground. Though I suspect she's not any better.
carly fiorina
At least she was actually in charge of something. I would give her my vote any day of the week before Hillary.
Quote from: gennee on April 26, 2015, 06:24:02 PM
Hillary Clinton is a liar and a hypocrite. The only things she cares about is the almighty buck and power. Those people who think she will stand up for anyone else's rights are gong to be terribly disappointed, if elected.
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THIS!
Quote from: DanaDane on April 28, 2015, 01:27:32 PM
carly fiorina
At least she was actually in charge of something. I would give her my vote any day of the week before Hillary.
She was in charge of running HP into the ground. I'm not sure I count that as a plus.
Is she on record for LGBT issues?
Sorry, this thread has degenerated into repeated derailments and bashing. Locked.