Hi there. I'm Ariel. I've recently booked surgery with Dr. Cardenas and I'd like to share that experience with you all. I feel like patients of Dr. Cardenas who talk about their experiences seem relatively rare, at least compared to other surgeons that I have researched. While there are two or three people within this forum that have talked about it, I figure it couldn't hurt to add one more.
The surgeries he will be performing are:
*Type III facial reconstruction.
*Rhinoplasty.
*Sliding genioplasty.
*Eyebrow lift and scalp advance.
*Breast augmentation.
And so I'll begin with why I chose the surgeon that I did:
Why Dr. Cardenas? Well, there were a lot of factors. I also reached out to Facial Team and Dr. DiM as other possible candidates. To be honest, I think they are all three excellent surgeons and any one of these doctors would give me results that I would be happy with. The reason I ended up not choosing Dr. DiM is that, while he has good results, I've been told the rooms that people stayed in left a lot to be desired. If I am going to be recovering from surgery, I want to be as comfortable as possible.
I Skype consulted with both Dr. Cardenas and Facial Team. To be honest, Capitan was very nice and I immediately trusted him and felt like he had my very best interests at heart. I felt so confident after consulting with him that I almost wanted to book right away. I liked his recommendations and his approach.
Dr. Cardenas was also thorough, but gave me a slightly different set of recommendations. As many people know, he tends to recommend recontouring as opposed to reconstruction for the forehead. However, he was quite willing to do whatever surgery I desired. Right after my Skype appointment, I thought that Dr. Cardenas was not quite as warm and convincing as the other surgeon. But instead of making a decision right away, I slept on it, and I think that was the wiser decision.
I ultimately ended up thinking that I shouldn't pick my surgeon based on how personable he is. Just because Capitan was more charismatic does not necessarily mean he's better. So I split things into three categories: Cost, results, and aftercare.
Cost is a clear winner to Dr. Cardenas. As Mexico has a cheaper standard of living, prices are naturally lower, and this enables me to actually get a breast augmentation in addition to FFS. The plane ticket alone to Spain starts at $2,000, in addition to also having to book hotel room and food.
Results wise, I believe they would both give strong results. I have several friends who have personally gone to Dr. Cardenas and are very happy with the results. The rare complaints against him are related to those who chose not to get a type 3 reconstruction, which he tends not to recommend. However, I don't strike this against him, since he is willing to perform it if you ask. Facial Team has plenty of before/after pictures to show strong results as well.
Aftercare and comfort seems clearly another winner for Dr. Cardenas. He has a recovery residence in which patients are cared for by a staff and includes meals - basically an all inclusive package. A companion is also covered under this for a small fee, which saves my friend money as well.
Ultimately, then, I went with Dr. Cardenas. In a world of infinite money, I may have gone to the other surgeon, but I think all other things being equal, going with the more affordable price is the most logical choice.
I have included some pictures of myself and at a later point I will upload videos of my recovery/results. Looking forward to July. :)
These pictures taken by Sophia Filipeli. For reference, in these pictures I've been on HRT for two years.
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And then the less flattering pictures for the "proper" before and afters taken after one year of HRT:
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I'm another wild girl with funny hair colors - and I absolutely love your style! The red is very cute.
Also your bone structure is great!! Did you lose weight compared to the 1 year picture? Did you run or did anything special? I look puffy as the moment, but I want to wait for 1 year on HRT before starting running to let the muscle turn into fat that will be easier to remove with jogging.
About Cardenas, do you have pic of type 3 results? I will need that. I did not consider him based on the feedback, but the cost difference and the simplicity of going Mexico are good arguments.
BTW I'm totally jealous of your arms. They look perfect!!
He actually recommended type iii for me. My surgery was yesterday. Th recovery residence is wonderful. The food is superb. And the staff are amazing. I'll post more in my thread when I get home.
Quote from: ArielAce on April 22, 2015, 12:11:14 AM
The reason I ended up not choosing Dr. DiM is that, while he has good results, I've been told the rooms that people stayed in left a lot to be desired. If I am going to be recovering from surgery, I want to be as comfortable as possible.
? There are no rooms or residences included... Every patient needs to rent an apartment or hotel room herself, so everyone is free to choose whatever they like or can afford. You can find a pretty nice apartments in Buenos Aires for around $1000 for 3weeks/month..
Good luck with your surgery! :)
Im also booked for july with cardenas and so excited lol ... happy healing !!!
Quote from: lana777 on April 24, 2015, 11:10:18 PM
Im also booked for july with cardenas and so excited lol ... happy healing !!!
That is awesome! Mine is on July 1. When is yours? Maybe we will meet!
Quote from: mmmmm on April 24, 2015, 09:12:10 AM
? There are no rooms or residences included... Every patient needs to rent an apartment or hotel room herself, so everyone is free to choose whatever they like or can afford. You can find a pretty nice apartments in Buenos Aires for around $1000 for 3weeks/month..
Good luck with your surgery! :)
I was more speaking about the hospital rooms.
Quote from: ArielAce on April 26, 2015, 03:08:25 PM
I was more speaking about the hospital rooms.
From start of 2015 all FFS with dr. Di Maggio happen in Sanatorio Finochietto,
www.sanatoriofinochietto.com/
www.facebook.com/sanatorio.finochietto?fref=ts
It's one year old medical center... and no, there is nothing comparable with this in whole Europe, maybe a couple medical centers in USA. My surgery was there, and I can't say I have any complaint about anything.
i will be on july 8th ... but i am not staying at the residence .. i am recovering privately with family going down with me .. everytime i think of mexico im nervous as all hell lol
Quote from: mmmmm on April 26, 2015, 04:55:22 PM
From start of 2015 all FFS with dr. Di Maggio happen in Sanatorio Finochietto,
www.sanatoriofinochietto.com/
www.facebook.com/sanatorio.finochietto?fref=ts
It's one year old medical center... and no, there is nothing comparable with this in whole Europe, maybe a couple medical centers in USA. My surgery was there, and I can't say I have any complaint about anything.
Well, that would probably explain my confusion, since the stories I read were from several years ago. I am sure Dr. DiM is great, I never really intended to argue that he wasn't. My apologies for any misinformation in my original post. Unfortunately, I can no longer edit it.
Ariel!!
I think your surgery will go great and you will have amazing results!! I have heard that You get served delicious Mexican food while recovering from surgery there which all by itself makes me jealous lol. Serious weak spot for Mexican food here, ha ha!!
I'm sure you are in safe hands with Dr Cardenas, I like your decision process! It's only a short flight but not being within the country it drives costs down. I did a very similar thing myself as all the UK doctors here are very expensive so I took a short flight to Belgium for lower costs but high quality care. It worked perfect for me. Sounds like a similar thing just different continent. :)
I just wanted to congratulate you in your decision for FFS with Dr Cardenas and his team and send you my best wishes. Enjoy the ride and the weeks ahead while you wait for surgery. then lots of self pampering afterwards too!!!
Hugs!! ;) :D ;)
Quote from: calicarly on May 05, 2015, 05:57:32 PM
Ariel!!
I have heard that You get served delicious Mexican food while recovering from surgery there which all by itself makes me jealous lol. Serious weak spot for Mexican food here, ha ha!!
Me too!! Would probable only have been able to eat guacamole though LOL
You're going to love your experience there. Blanca is a gem and takes care of everyone's meal needs beautifully, deliciously, and with pain staking, hand crafted, home made care.
Vicente and Tyler will take the utmost care of you, getting you to and from your appointments, translating for you if you don't understand, and ensuring that you are looked after.
The first couple days after surgery you will have a nurse come in to help you bathe, and otherwise get ready for the day.
You really don't need to worry about anything except getting up and down the stairs if you are in one of the upstairs bedrooms. Just rest and heal. Meals will be there when you need them. Vicente marked all my post-op meds with a marker so I knew exactly when to take them. He bases it all off a 7AM start time. Some meds are 7am, 3pm, 11pm. Some are 7am, 1pm, 7pm, 1am. Some are 7am/7pm, and a couple are once a day at 7pm. The way he does it makes it easy.
Having done FFS this way, with this level of personal care, I now can't imagine doing it any other way at all.
Sounds almost like a vacation! The days can't go by fast enough.
Getting closer! My surgery is in 12 days. I'm pretty excited, but nervous, too. I am not really worried about the results, I feel confident that he will do a good job. But I do worry about complications due to being under for a long time. I am crossing my fingers that things go well.
Can't believe this is happening. I'm so nervous but wow. =)
In the meantime I just got done with my pole dance competition. I got last place in my division, but I've only been doing pole for about 7 or 8 months, so I'm trying not to be too hard on myself. I wanted to win but there is always next year. Dr. Cardenas says I have to wait longer to return to the pole, because it's very strenuous exercise! Well, I guess that means no inversions for a while. I'm a total addict, I'll probably be at the studio cheering on my teammates when I can't do anything, haha!
Congratulations and best wishes :)
Greetings. I am on my second day from surgery. Statting off mexico is wonderfil. No traffic lights so it is very hard to drive here. Luckily vincent has driven me anywhere i needed to go. He is a very kind man.
After the operation i woke up quite freezing and grumpy. I lept telling at my companion bc she tried to talk to me and all o could think about was pain. The painkillers they gave me were incredibly insdequate, until i aaw dr. Cardenas and he gave me somethibg much stronger. Thank god. Bless him.
I have been taking a supplemenetal vicodin for pain bc i jave a low tolerance for pain and have pretty much cried nonstop the first two days. Again thank god i brought my own painkillers from home. This has been rough.
Vincent is a blessing. He is the kindest man. Dr. C has given me beautiful tits and i know whe the mask comes off i will see a beautiful face.
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Wish you a speedy recovery :)
Maybe you can have some fresh fruit juice, and enjoy some view of the sunshine and a bit of fresh air.. should all help with mood and recovery :)
hugs
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I saw dr. Cardenas today. I was wearing six inch heels so he's very tall. I can't see a lot of results because there is stoll so much swelling. But my nose. My god! It is the most perfect nose. His wife is truly the best nose surgeon ever. If you want a beautiful nose you know where to go!
I've been so happy w my stay in guadalajara. I love Vincent and Blanca and Dr. Cardenas!
Now that I am feeling better and finally at my computer with a proper keyboard, it seems like an appropriate time to write a full account of my trip to Guadalajara.
We arrived in Mexico roughly on time according to our ticket. We did have trouble finding Vincente, who was looking for a girl with blonde hair (but I had dyed my hair purple of course.) But he eventually found me and we were off to my first appointment. He was very nice and reassuring and I think we became friends quickly.
The first thing I noticed about Mexico is the complete lack of traffic lights and stop signs. There are A LOT of lane mergers. Driving in Mexico is completely different than the US. I would NOT recommend renting a car in another country ever. The driving is so different, you will not have a good time!
The first thing we did was go to get my blood drawn. My results were normal. Then my companion and I had a couple of hours before our meeting with Vincente. We decided to explore the city a little bit. We visited Waldo's Mart (it's like a tiny grocery store) to get some shampoo, because I needed something gentle to avoid washing the purple out of my hair. My American credit card worked just fine, so I did not need to convert any pesos, which was a bonus.
After exploring a bit, we returned to the recovery house and had some of Blanca's cooking. It was great. They also always had donuts, jello, yogurt smoothies, etc. in stock. I mostly drank Apple juice. Blanca is a sweetie. Even though she does not speak English, we managed to understand each other all right. The recovery house was very clean and honestly it felt like a second home. My room included a bathroom, bedroom, and also a little laundry room with a desk with a full length mirror in it.
Off to my appointment. The Innovare hospital is the cleanest and nicest hospital I have ever visited, which makes sense, considering it is fairly new from what I understand. We went straight to see Dr. Cardenas. He asked me if I spoke Spanish, which no, unfortunately, I don't, so he began to speak in English. He grilled me to make sure I was not sick or hiding any illnesses, which seems fair, no surgeon wants to operate on someone in poor health. Everything was fine, so he took me into his consulting room. Here he explained all the surgeries that he was going to do and asked me if I had any questions. I actually had almost no questions, because I had done such extensive research and I knew exactly what I wanted. Notably, he did not challenge or try to change my mind on the type 3, although he recommended type 1 in my initial consult. I appreciated that.
Then we talked about my breast augmentation. We tried on a couple of forms. I felt like the 450cc was far too large for my frame and made me look like I was overweight. The 300cc looked just right, so we settled on that. It was a quick conversation. I knew what I wanted and he was clear on that.
We went home and I went to bed early, very tired from all the traveling. We woke up very early the next morning to go back to the hospital, this time, to be operated upon. The first thing they did was have me strip and put on a gown. I'm really bad with clothes and I had to get a little help putting it on! Then they took me into a hospital room and put these weird garments on my feet, presumably something to prevent blood clots.
I was really nervous and shaking at this point. The anesthesiologist tried to relax me. She was so surprised at my small hands, they were smaller than hers, and she's a tiny lady! She asked me if I knew any Spanish, like the word Mohito, and I was like oh yes, I know Mohito!! Super nice lady, she relaxed me a little, but it's hard to when you're about to go under the knife.
Then they wheeled me into the operating room and moved me onto the operating table. The last thing I remember was they were playing some Spanish music and a bunch of doctors were above me. Then I was sedated. When I woke up, I remember being freezing cold and in a lot of pain. All I could do was say, "Cold! Pain!" It hurt to even talk so I used as little words as possible. They gave me some balloons filled with hot water, which I kept on my hands and breasts. After I woke up, I was in the post-operating room for about an hour or two (or it felt like an hour or two).
Then they wheeled me back to my hospital room and companion. I was very angry at this point. She tried to talk to me, but it hurt too much to talk. Although I had no operations on my throat, I did have a minor injury, presumably from the tube they put down your throat. Two weeks later I still have a little bit of trouble using my female voice, but I think it will heal in time. The only thing I could really say is "pain" at this point.
Roughly two hours after this, I saw Dr. Cardenas. He asked me how I'm feeling. "Pain!" Where does it hurt? "Chest. Head. Stomach." Then he says he will order me some special medication. Thank God. The first couple of hours they didn't give me anything good, and it was AWFUL. After the special medication, I drifted in and out of consciousness. It was hard to tell the difference between reality and dreams.
Around night time, the medication wore off and I was in pain again. They said they could not give me anything more. Whatever. They gave me a small container so I wouldn't have to get up to use the restroom, but I had trouble going if I wasn't standing up. I walked to the restroom three times, although they kept yelling at me that I shouldn't get up. I was rather stubborn. I also had a lot of trouble breathing throughout the night and had to keep my bed elevated. A combination of being unable to use my nose and the heavy weight on my chest, I think, was the cause. But as long as I kept the bed elevated, I was all right.
At this point I took a quick selfie. I looked pretty rough. The next day, they unwrapped the bandage on my breasts... I honestly can't even remember why, but I got to peek at them for a quick second before they put it back on.
The next day, I got to return back to the recovery house and I got to know Vincente a little better. Very kind man, again, he is the best! On the third day, I walked down the street and back. On the fourth day, I felt strong enough to go out to eat at one of the restaurants in town. Unfortunately, it was Sunday, and they were all closed. We could not find a restaurant open anywhere, so we were going to head home. But I felt very thirsty at this point and asked to go to the gas station.
At this point I had a little accident. I told my companion I was going to sit down because I felt very tired. I realized I was about to pass out and got really, really hot, and called for help. I lost consciousness and fell out of the chair -- it was a short fall and nothing was damaged. The store owner called the police and ambulance, because they said I convulsed after I passed out. I kept insisting I was okay, I was just very thirsty. They only let me drink little bits at a time. Eventually we got into contact with Vincente and he returned me to the recovery house. He said I was the first person that fell on him, lol! It really wasn't a big deal, although it was scary at the time. All the people at the store yelled at me for being out so soon after surgery. But honestly, we would have been fine if the restaurants had been open. After I had some food and drink, I felt fine again.
For pretty much the rest of the trip I didn't leave the recovery house because of the accident at the store. But it was all right, because I enjoyed their cooking. At my next doctor's appointment, they had me undergo photolight therapy. It was kind of weird, but apparently it helped my bruising. Then I saw the doctor and he gave me a special bra and a strap to put on top of it. He seemed pleased with the results.
Fast forwarding to my final doctor's visit, he cut off my cast and gave me a nose splint and taught me to put on nose bandages. He said I have to wear nose bandages for one month following the surgery. This seems strange, as I do not find many other doctors recommending this, and it is super uncomfortable. But so far I have done as he asked. Mostly because my nose is so swollen that I think it looks better under the bandages, haha!
After seeing my nose briefly for the only time before it became swollen, I was so impressed. It was so remarkably small and beautiful. The picture didn't really do it justice, since it was taken at such a low angle. It is truly the most beautiful nose I could have hoped for.
The return home: Vincente was planning to drive us to the airport, but something must have happened, because we were taken by a different driver in the morning. It was fine, since he got us to the airport in any case. They had a wheelchair for me, and the person was nice enough to carry my bag and be patient with us. I was still feeling quite weak and scared from my previous fall and did not want to over-exert myself.
Upon arriving in America, everything changed. The kindness of the Mexican people had gotten me used to being taken care of, but when I got to America, I got reminded about how everyone here is in such a rush and met a ton of jerks at the airport. They couldn't be bothered to help me with my bag, despite being in a wheelchair, and so my companion had to carry my luggage as well as hers. And they would not even wait two seconds for my companion to catch up. It was rush, rush, rush! The total opposite of Mexico. Some of the rudest people I have ever met were in the American airport.
I have been home for a week now. My thoughts on my surgery are: Chin work was excellent. Best possible result I could have asked for. It is much shorter and shaped better. I think Cardenas was very aggressive here. The lipfat looks excellent, I was on the fence about this one, but I figured it was only $1,000, so why not? Best decision ever. It looks much better now. My nose right now unfortunately is very swollen and it looks horrible. I can't be seen with it. But I know when it heals it will be perfect, just like I saw for that brief moment when he took the cast off.
My forehead undeniably looks improved. As an added bonus, I had some slight wrinkling which is now gone, which makes me look a bit younger. My eyebrows in a slightly elevated position removed my hooded eyes, which means I can now wear winged eyeliner more easily and my eyes look a little bit more open. I am waiting to give my final opinion on the forehead, as there is still swelling that needs to go down, and I'm told I won't really see the final results until three months after surgery. For now, it looks okay. There is still a slight bulge on my browbone, but I really need to compare it to before pictures before I can say how good the result is.
It is possible I *may* have gotten a flatter forehead with another surgeon, but in all honesty, I think if I had to do it all over again, I would still go to Cardenas. The overall result is quite excellent and I don't think I would have gotten such a perfect nose with anyone else. I think the surgery was a clear success.
My breasts still need to "drop" and thus I reserve judgment here as well.
Given that the results will take quite some time, I will be back in a couple of weeks with pictures. But I hope you enjoyed my detailed recount of my journey to Guadalajara. For those of you thinking of Guadalajara: I would recommend it, but bring your own painkillers. Seriously.
yay! glad most was good for you...except for the slight fainting . I just got back as well.... I did not have a good as time as you though lol. happy healing !
Would highly appreciate anyone's before&after pics when it comes to forehead recontouring :) wish u amazing and quick recovery sis, and take care <3
Hi... I am truly appreciative of these detailed accounts that so many have provided.. One common thread seems to be "bring your own pain meds".. I would think that transporting any CII pain meds from the US would be problematic.. Any experiences or perspectives on this would be greatly appreciated.
-Michelle
With a valid prescription, transporting meds between countries is not a problem.
And most of the painkillers are otc anyway
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I think you got a good result, although a question for you... You mentioned your forehead didn't seem as flat as you would like? Do you think there is a chance that he didn't actually perform the type III? Usually with type III there should be no brow bossing protruding although there could be some swelling. I had type I and I could tell immediately that it wasn't enough. After the swelling went down I could see that one half of my forehead looked fine, and the other half it looks like he didn't remove the bossing. Honestly in my case although an improvement, there is still visible uneveness and bossing a year later. I will need a revision... just not sure that I will go back to Dr. C for it though. My trust has definitely waned... Look forward to seeing your profile photos post-op if you're so inclined. Hope your healing is going well. -J
Jgirl76 -- it was a type 3 to the best of my knowledge. It seems unlikely that he lied to me, since he never argued with me about it. In the consult the day before my surgery, he explained to me how he would perform the type 3.
As far as the result, I am only 3 weeks out of surgery, and I am not sure how much swelling will resolve, but from the profile, it seems pretty clear that the area between my nose and forehead still has a bit of a curve to it. The Virtual FFS result certainly looked a lot better than what I have right now. But I again will stress that I do not want to make any judgments prematurely.
I do not plan on posting any pictures until 6 weeks post-op (so around august 15-30). They will be taken exactly the same as the pre-op photos, front, partial, and profile with hair combed back.
That being said, since you had type 1, there is an agreement among most surgeons that type 1 does not give the best result for brow bossing removal, and usually bone cement is used to disguise it.
While I do like Dr. C, if I were in your position, I would choose a craniofacial surgeon, as they have specialized training and perform it more routinely. If you had someone mess up your nose job, you would go to a nose specialist - same concept. I hope that was helpful. Sorry about your need of a revision.
I figured I would update with a few pictures since I am actually looking pretty cute right now. I want to save the before/afters until after the swelling in my nose goes down so that I can actually have a good comparison, but in the meantime, here is a small timeline from about 2 to 4 weeks post-op.
My thoughts one month post-op:
The rhinoplasty obviously went well. Despite there being a lot of swelling, it looks far superior to its previous incarnation. It is perfectly straight and the bump in my nose from before is completely gone. The result is that my nose looks a lot more attractive. I actually am pleasantly surprised, because it was such a small bump that I didn't think it would have such a large effect on my appearance.
My chin was vastly improved - better results than I was expecting, actually. I rarely smiled in pictures before, because I felt like it made my chin look quite large and masculine. I'm quite happy with the new shape, as I can smile and still have a chin that looks perfectly feminine.
My lips are a wonderful canvas for lipstick now. I hope I don't lose too much of the fat in the coming months. Now that the swelling has come down I really like how big they are -- the top one feels like it is now quite even in size with the bottom which looks nice and symmetrical.
Forehead. The good: My eyes look more open now and makeup is far easier to apply. Before I had hooded eyes. Now, when I apply makeup, I can see the crease, and also I can do winged eyeliner much more easily. I am looking forward to doing more makeup now because applying eye makeup is way easier and it looks way better when I do it! The wrinkles in my forehead are now gone, giving the appearance of a perfectly smooth forehead.
Slightly disappointing: My forehead was not set back quite as much as I would have liked given that I had a type 3 procedure. That being said, it is quite obviously improved quite a bit, and I don't really regret my choice in surgery. My hairline was also not moved forward enough to sufficiently counter my hairloss. Dr. C told me before the surgey that I would still need a hair transplant, but it is a bit disappointing all the same. I wonder if the cost of a scar was really worth it if I have to get a transplant anyways, but oh well, what is done is done. Hopefully the scar will heal well.
Overall impressions: I'm pretty happy. I look cute and expect to look better over the coming months as the swelling in my nose and chin goes down.
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