Hi I am 18 years old trans woman I don't start HRT yet I am researching about it, but everyone says even on wikipedia , It is rare to breast exceed b cup size and HRT doesn't affect face so I don't want to HRT just for emotional or mentally changes .. why should i use this ? I have already feminine fat disruption so I need more why should I use hormones if it is not really affectful on body ?? >:(
Psychological well-being seems like good enough reason...
Body changes are genetically predispositioned... One can start at 18 and have close to zero effects and changes... and someone else starts at 45 and have the most amazing changes and results from HRT alone.
You say you already have feminine fat disruption. I don't know what that means... but if you feel like you don't need any help from hormones, either emotional or physical, than it would better if you don't start with HRT.
Here's some information about hormone therapy, including the reversible and irreversible changes you can expect: https://www.susans.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)
Hope this helps!
Hugs, Devlyn
I honestly don't know where this myth about being "rare" to exceed a B cup comes from.
I know perhaps twenty transwomen in real life. NONE of them is less than a C - and many of us are much bigger than that. None of us have had implants either. I'm an F cup - and no I haven't had an breast enhancement either - its all me.
Now in many cases it took us five to ten years to reach final size - and almost all of us transitioned before the age of 25, but anecdotally I also know of older transitioners who have eventually reached impressive sizes all on their own... it just takes longer for someone older because their body works slower.
So really this idea that larger sizes are rare just has to a myth.
You might not believe it, but the mental changes are a hugely important part for many of us. I will almost certainly exceed the B cup point you refer to as well. So many factors play into that. Everyone's mileage on HRT is different. Realistic expectations are important when it comes to HRT. Good luck and Hugs
mariah
I think rare to have greater than a B cup is way overstated. It does vary greatly. Beginning young seems to improve results, but not always. HRT does not affect bone structure, but it certainly affects the appearance of your face. With the change in skin and change in fat distribution, it does change your face. The skin changes and the sent changes are significant.
Even if I had zero changes, I would still do HRT for the mental affects.
Wikipedia is not allowed for research papers for a reason - it is usually not very accurate.
That being said, please read above this - your mileage will vary, and it will take a lot of time. How long did cisgendered puberties last??? Exactly.
Look... there are no guarantees thats why people are careful.
Imo they write this way so not to give too high expectations.
There was another discussion about facial changes. Someone said they would not be much given same light, hair style etc.
But this is unrealistic.
Of course people use bangs to cover the forehead... shape their eyebrows in a feminine way... their skin changes, pores getting closed...
additionally alone using a nourishing product on the skin gives a groomed impression...
there are ways to use lipstick to make the mouth appear wider...
Imo people change additionally posture and expression...
and for example there are people who have reported changes to hand size, to feet size, to height... of all ages.
Imo you should look for a good gender therapist to help you and guide you along... to find out what you want, and support you...
if they are not supportive look for another.
And there are support groups.
have a *hug*
I think my face does look quite a bit different quite honestly. It might just be from weight-loss. I've probably lost 40-50 lbs since last year. I was over 200 lbs.
Personally I love the way my mind feels now. It took a while for it to happen to me. Most people say it happens immediately. I also see some things in a different way than I used to.
At only 18 you should stop all the wrong hormones & get on Estrogen young girl. HRT does make a tremendous change & improvement to our bodies & mental state. At your young age you can become a beautiful almost normal "cis" woman.
Its not limited to 18, but younger age usually helps.
B cup is my size now, but I am happy with that....
Agreeing with all, there is no given in this, some do better some not, laws of nature...
I started real late around 50... took me 5 years to fill a B Cup, after that just a little more rounding...
As far as face goes, yes the face does change, not structurally but skin tone, fatty deposits etc.. also neck thins a bit as does all muscle tone.
The younger you start transition, on the whole, the better your results can be.
L Katy :-*
Katrinaw said..QuoteThe younger you start transition, on the whole, the better your results can be.
Unfortunately I'm a bit late for that :) But pre-HRT, I am already a B cup. so it will be interesting to see what 4 or 5 years on HRT will do. I am planning to document it though.
For me it was the mental and psychological effects of starting HRT that were the most valuable and life saving. 'T' made me feel as if my brain was being slowly murdered and starting HRT was like coming home after wandering lost in the wilderness. Don't discount the non physical changes that HRT brings about because they make a huge difference to your sense of self and well-being.
Physical changes will happen at a slower pace as your body adjusts and tissues grow and change so patience is important. You are young so there is every reason to expect that you will make a good transition.
Everything depends on the person, of course, but the "before and after" thread has some truly amazing transformations.
For me personally, I couldn't pass as a guy after a few months on HRT no matter how hard I tried, and I too think the B cup thing is a myth - or possibly a misunderstanding. Cup size varies by band size, so a 40B has the same cup volume as a 38C and 36D, for example. That means that the bigger the rib cage = the smaller the letter of the cup will be, but the *size* is the same. If the average trans woman has a rib cage only an inch or two bigger than the average cis woman, her average bra size will be one cup size smaller.
(Oh, and I'm professionally measured at 38DD, which is another way of saying 38E and the same cup volume as 36DDD/F.)
Some very interesting comments in this thread. I will start HRT next month at age 57. I have tempered my expectations according to what I have read. I am hoping for softer skin, less body hair, and less upper body musculature. Boobs are probably not going to happen at my age, but I can live with that. More importantly, I hope there will be a mental benefit, some feeling of completeness, or less yearning, or something. I just want to be happy with myself, for a change.
I wonder if the measure of testosterone prior to beginning the regimen is a factor?
If that is the case, the affects for me may be muted too, since I have high enough T that it caused an early onset of male pattern baldness. (pretty sure that's what did it anyhow)
I'm 52 and have been on HRT for about a year. I think it's had a pretty dramatic effect on my face, even at my advanced age :laugh: I still weigh about the same as I did in "that" picture on the left (blech!)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi984.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae323%2Friven_one%2Fchanges_zpsg2tpzj34.jpg&hash=fc75434b4d3e0879eec77edd42be7604e2cc6d41)
Hi Eva Marie,
Wow, you're right, there is a very noticeable difference! Well that's encouraging, as is your bust, lol. That's after one year? I would be very conflicted about that. On one hand I would be delighted to have such breast development, and on the other hand I would be freaking out about hiding them when I go to work, since I present as a male.
However, facial changes are something I would welcome, and are a major reason I want to start HRT.
Terri
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on June 12, 2015, 12:31:03 PM
Here's some information about hormone therapy, including the reversible and irreversible changes you can expect: https://www.susans.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)
Hope this helps!
Hugs, Devlyn
Devlyn,
I just want to let you know that link you posted goes to a blank page.
Here is the correct wiki link
https://www.susans.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_%28male-to-female%29
Quote from: Marly on June 14, 2015, 10:36:14 AM
Devlyn,
I just want to let you know that link you posted goes to a blank page.
Quote from: Maybebaby56 on June 14, 2015, 09:52:57 AM
Hi Eva Marie,
Wow, you're right, there is a very noticeable difference! Well that's encouraging, as is your bust, lol. That's after one year? I would be very conflicted about that. On one hand I would be delighted to have such breast development, and on the other hand I would be freaking out about hiding them when I go to work, since I present as a male.
However, facial changes are something I would welcome, and are a major reason I want to start HRT.
Terri
To be honest that bra contains some padding and the angle is such that it makes them appear bigger than they are. In normal everyday clothing they are "just" big enough to make the rest of my body proportional. I think that someday when funds allow a BA is still needed to get to the size I want which is 1 cup size larger.
I did want to show you the striking changes that happened to my face. Before I carried considerable weight in my face and neck and that all went other places. One time I was flying and was on HRT but hadn't transitioned and the TSA lady that was checking my ID went back and forth between looking at that very picture (which came from an old driver's license) and my face and finally said that there was only 1/2 of me left. I just smiled, knowing that it was the HRT.
Another change that I did not take a pic of is my posterior which has grown considerably, especially when I started taking progesterone.
The changes are slow but they do come - I started noticing significant changes around 9 months and I started getting male fails shortly thereafter.
The myth that "HRT does nothing to your face" seems to be pervasive these days.
It's just flat out wrong.
Fat distribution changes plus muscle atrophy will bring about significant changes to facial features.
As for breast, also flat out wrong. However it does have a lot to do with genetics and just plain luck.
Younger ages tend to do better but some of us older gals aren't doing so bad either.
I'm 6 months now, tight 34B and my face looks different. I wear no makeup most of the time and get male failed all the time now.
I think the emotional and mental changes are some of the most satisfying benefits as HRT affects more than skin and boobs. It threads through everything in life once you get settled in on it. I think HRT needs a big picture approach and not be so narrow focused which it seems to be most of the time.
JMO
Yep, I have been on hrt for a year and 3 months. I have a b cup and growing. Hrt does feminize the eyes a lot. I am blessed with some of how my transition has gone for me genetically, but I have a fair amount of emotional turmoil that is unrelated to transitioning, and brain damage and social anxiety from a lifetime of abuse I would gladly exchange for worse transition genetics.
I am 31 and I started at 30.
Girl I know is growing D+ at the moment O.o
I think it's genes mostly
But it's a bit discerning since there are many more hormones&modulators at play
androgens/estrogens/progestogens are just the sex-related ones, there are also mineralocorticoids and glucocorticoids & other regulatory modulators...
But OP you're so young you'll grow into a beautiful person nontheless if you decide now.
I don't know , I've have a big change on HRT. I'm at 20 months and a DDcup. I think it's a lot more powerful than people realize .
Who ever you have been reading is wrong. I am the endocrine system subject matter expert in a fortune 100 company. I am not an MD...I have way more education than they do....
You will approach what you would be if you were CIS. Some come very, very close. Some not so much. The exceptions are bone structure, voice, sex organs ect. But there is a lot that changes.
You have no way of knowing how much you will change and neither does any one else. But there will be changes....
Jen
ok just because something might not give you big boobs (It could) or do much to the face ( it does soften you features over time) doesn't mean that it isn't doing anything. I am six months on hormones. I have a tiny dose and no breast development at all. That doesn't mean I haven't seen any changes. I have had some slight changes in my body measurement. I went from 35-28-35 to 35-27-36 and I gained five pounds. most of it has went into my legs( I kinda needed it). My skin is soft like butter and my body hair is starting to thin now. My face is looking younger. there are so many awesome things that estrogen is doing to my body, and I didn't even mention the psychological changes.
All of that came during a time span of me being on an 8th of a full dose for 3 months and a quarter of a full dose for three months. I just started my half of the full dose this week!
Anyways, these changes may seem small, but they make a significant difference in my self-confidence. Enough so that I can wear short shorts in public and know that I rock them!!!!
Just to keep the tide flowing, I am 36 and started under 3 months ago, two months on a higher dose. I am already a B cup, but the women in my family tend to have large breasts. But I have had all the other effects start coming in to play and they are all marvelous.
The best was the mental changes, getting to feel like me. I said it at the time and I still mean it. If all that happened was the mental changes then it would all be more than worth it.
When I started my transition in '06, I decided that keeping my expectations low were my best option. It's been okay. It hasn't been totally mind-blowing. But, it's good enough. I was at a point in my life where I literally had nothing to lose when I started. So, I just got the ball rolling and didn't worry about things all that much. Things are what they are and it's fine.
Hey, since people are posting measurements...
pre-HRT
Bust : 40" (under bust 40", of course)
Waist : 38"
Hips : 40"
Now (5.5 years HRT)
Bust : 45" (under bust 37")
Waist : 28"
Hips : 46"
I'd say HRT definitely did some nice things for me, although I wish I were thinner.
HRT is the spice of life for our lot. They give mental happiness as well as needed physical changes. I honestly would not enjoy life if I didn't have them.
Warning though, if you are trans and start on them, you are very likely not going to be able to go off of them without a monster amount of willpower.
As far as measurements go, my girls are 36 C-D. My heart leaps for joy every morning when I see myself in the mirror, well it does for that brief moment until I see "it". I can't wait until that's taken care of too.
long story short, HRT affects a lot and I can't imagine my life any more without it.