I read a couple of chinese websites about trans and it says transsexuals have a short lifespan and most of them die before about 50 yrs old due to the srs surgery and hormones they take, I was really shocked. Pls can anyone comfirm this information
I would not trust sites like that, they usually have an agenda they are trying to push.
I'm 62 and still around.
Sarah L.
Quote from: sakuranbo on September 07, 2007, 01:14:36 PM
I read a couple of Chinese websites about trans and it says transsexuals have a short lifespan and most of them die before about 50 yrs old due to the SRS surgery and hormones they take, I was really shocked. Pls can anyone confirm this information
The average reduction in lifespan is due to suicide, society, risky behavior, lack of medical care, lack of money, not the hormones and surgery.
Chinese websites, if they are to remain online, have to follow the government's line. The current Chinese government position is to discourage their people from HRT and GRS. As witness to this, see the recent news item Watchdog switches off radio sex shows (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,19101.0.html): "The administration then banned all television shows involving plastic and transsexual surgery."
On the other hand, the transsexual may face the following health risks: suicide, murder, AIDS, heart disease, cancer, and surgical complications.
If I hadn't transitioned, I'd have died years ago. Thus it doesnt matter if I die tomorrow, next week or when I'm thirty. It will be well worth it. I will die being "me" not somebody else.
Quote from: Yvonne on September 07, 2007, 05:46:20 PM
If I hadn't transitioned, I'd have died years ago. Thus it doesnt matter if I die tomorrow, next week or when I'm thirty. It will be well worth it. I will die being "me" not somebody else.
There's the real answer if you ask me :D
You probably can't trust Chinese websites (where you heard this) any more than you can trust Chinese toys, dog food or toothpaste.
Teri Anne
Quote from: Yvonne on September 07, 2007, 05:46:20 PM
If I hadn't transitioned, I'd have died years ago. Thus it doesnt matter if I die tomorrow, next week or when I'm thirty. It will be well worth it. I will die being "me" not somebody else.
What she said. :)
tink :icon_chick:
Well, I didn't believe it for a second because I'm already over the mark. Still, there are people who believe anything they see in print so maybe I can convince my insurance agent that I've got one foot in the grave so cash out my life insurance for a BIG party. :laugh:
Karen Lyn
Quote from: sakuranbo on September 07, 2007, 01:14:36 PM
I read a couple of chinese websites about trans and it says transsexuals have a short lifespan and most of them die before about 50 yrs old due to the srs surgery and hormones they take, I was really shocked. Pls can anyone comfirm this information
I've heard this also from reliable sources that we die a slightly younger than genetic males and females..
Well, all I can say is I was born at the ripe old age of 54. That was when I gave myself permission to transition. If being trans shortened my life it's because I let outside influences prevent me from being who I really am. Stress kills and I was almost dead a couple of years ago because of it. Once I stopped listening to everyone else and listened to the real me inside I dropped a ton of baggage, which was filled with anxiety, resentment, denial, hatred and misery (to name a few).
I don't know how I'll fare on longevity but I can say with confidence that my life was extended the day I chose to be me forever.
Life shouldn't be measured in quantity of years, it should be measured in quality of life.
Julie
Quote from: Julie Marie on September 08, 2007, 05:57:53 AM
Well, all I can say is I was born at the ripe old age of 54. That was when I gave myself permission to transition. If being trans shortened my life it's because I let outside influences prevent me from being who I really am. Stress kills and I was almost dead a couple of years ago because of it. Once I stopped listening to everyone else and listened to the real me inside I dropped a ton of baggage, which was filled with anxiety, resentment, denial, hatred and misery (to name a few).
I don't know how I'll fare on longevity but I can say with confidence that my life was extended the day I chose to be me forever.
Life shouldn't be measured in quantity of years, it should be measured in quality of life.
Julie
54, That's quite old to transition Julie. I started hormones at 39 and thought it was way too old and I thought it was too late as well... I still think I'm too old and sometomes worry I'm making a bit of a fool of myself. How do you get around the age dillemma? by the way you look younger..
Quote from: Berliegh on September 08, 2007, 06:59:41 AM
Quote from: Julie Marie on September 08, 2007, 05:57:53 AM
Well, all I can say is I was born at the ripe old age of 54. That was when I gave myself permission to transition. If being trans shortened my life it's because I let outside influences prevent me from being who I really am. Stress kills and I was almost dead a couple of years ago because of it. Once I stopped listening to everyone else and listened to the real me inside I dropped a ton of baggage, which was filled with anxiety, resentment, denial, hatred and misery (to name a few).
I don't know how I'll fare on longevity but I can say with confidence that my life was extended the day I chose to be me forever.
Life shouldn't be measured in quantity of years, it should be measured in quality of life.
Julie
54, That's quite old to transition Julie. I started hormones at 39 and thought it was way too old and I thought it was too late as well... I still think I'm too old and sometomes worry I'm making a bit of a fool of myself. How do you get around the age dillemma? by the way you look younger..
Unhappiness is rarely the result of the situation you are in, only your thoughts about it. (I'm paraphrasing Eckhart Tolle.) You are what you think you are. Your reality is whatever you make it. I don't feel 56 and I don't act it. 56 is just a number, it's not who I am.
The best time to transition is when you feel you are ready. If you feel it inside, ignore the outside influences that place doubts in your mind. You'll only prolong the start of your transition. Believe me, I know!
Follow your heart. Be yourself. Age is a product of the mind. And it's the mind that prevents us from being ourselves.
Julie
and so do smokers, diabetics, obese peeps. That's life. Some die young and some never seem to die.
Quote from: Ashley Michelle on September 07, 2007, 06:03:02 PM
Quote from: sakuranbo on September 07, 2007, 01:14:36 PM
I read a couple of chinese websites about trans and it says transsexuals have a short lifespan and most of them die before about 50 yrs old due to the srs surgery and hormones they take, I was really shocked. Pls can anyone comfirm this information
well, nuts, that means i only have a couple of years left.
It means I've been dead for years.
Quote from: Jeannette on September 08, 2007, 01:13:55 PM
and so do smokers, diabetics, obese peeps. That's life. Some die young and some never seem to die.
As no one is average the odds are such that you do not want to be in any of those groups.
"Many die younger than the some that seem to never die."
Even if it were true, what difference would it make? It's not like we can change what we are. I'm certainly not going to worry about it.
Karen Lyn
My life has ended. My longevity is in jeopardy for being transsexual. Bloody hell!
Hmmmm, shorter lifespan?
Ummm... Id rather die happy in my 50s than live to be 100 and miserable.... though honestly Im with the ones where no transition = death... so technicaly Im allready living past my life expenctency and every year in itsself is a blessing of sorts.
I have a friend who works in the medical field... and she finds M2F's to be a facinating and confusing topic... Where as she was taught that changing the bodys chemestry syntheticly <IE not letting it do its thing> shortens there life span... at the same time they are increasing there lifespan in 2 ways.... When M2F's transition they live longer than they would have <suicide rate> and due to the reduced personal/internal stress and the elimination of T which does shorten the lifespan somewhat...
Right now shes having fun trying to research and write a paper on the subject but finds it difficult to get the numbers necicary to show it as medical fact...
Quote from: LynnER on September 08, 2007, 09:46:26 PM
Hmmmm, shorter lifespan?
Ummm... Id rather die happy in my 50s than live to be 100 and miserable.... though honestly Im with the ones where no transition = death... so technicaly Im allready living past my life expenctency and every year in itsself is a blessing of sorts.
I have a friend who works in the medical field... and she finds M2F's to be a facinating and confusing topic... Where as she was taught that changing the bodys chemestry syntheticly <IE not letting it do its thing> shortens there life span... at the same time they are increasing there lifespan in 2 ways.... When M2F's transition they live longer than they would have <suicide rate> and due to the reduced personal/internal stress and the elimination of T which does shorten the lifespan somewhat...
Right now shes having fun trying to research and write a paper on the subject but finds it difficult to get the numbers necicary to show it as medical fact...
I'm now inclined to think it's a 'myth'....where are the statistics and evidence?
Transsexuals probably live longer due to taking more care of their health than they might have done of they were male....you are right Lynn, people are happier if they change their lives and probably have a better sense of well being and calm which isn't a bad thing...
QuoteThe average reduction in lifespan is due to suicide, society, risky behavior, lack of medical care, lack of money, not the hormones and surgery.
I agree. I don't have any trouble believing the shortened lifespan. Does a population that's at a higher risk for suicide have a shortened lifespan? Yes! What about a population that's at a risk for unemployment? Prostitution? Discrimination? Hate crimes? Yes! Lack of medical care? Yes! If the average person could be denied medical care at any time, bludgeoned with a tire iron for what he was, fired from his job, denied housing, turned away from his family, and (as many young MTFs must) had to resort to prostitution, I'd bet the human race would have a shorter lifespan.
But this is not our fault!
It's like the achievement gap between minorities and whites. It's not their fault that they live in communities with substandard schools and housing, just as it isn't our fault that society is the way it is. The gap's closing. We're pulling ahead.
Chinese websites aside, I'd be very very interested to know if or how much a transsexual's lifespan is affected after HRT (I would think the HRT would be more of an issue for a persons longevity than surgery).
Personally, while I considered transition a necessity, I would still like to live a long and healthy life.
I feel there is way to much complacency going on here in regards to our lot in life! "Happy with what I have left, whatever that may be", is not something I would say, and I'm surprised others would.
Additionally, concluding that we will live long lives with out data to support the claim is not helping. The lack of data/statistics is not proof of what we would like to be true.
On the issue of there not being any studies on the subject: It's CRITICALLY important to note that, as in any area of study, a lack of statistics/studies is in no way whatsoever synonymous with verification that a problem doesn't exist.
WHAT THE HECK AM I TALKING ABOUT? Read on...
Medical statistics:
Is there proof or evidence that we will live shorter lives, no, BUT...
"No statistics" simply means that no university has completed a study on the topic. There are data out there that can tell us whether or not we will all live full lives, they just haven't been collected.
So, "no statistics exist" is not the same as "we're all safe because a google search doesn't find any statistics saying will all die young".
Similarly, simply stating "Well, I'm x years old and I'm still alive, so this must be safe for our bodies' longevity" doesn't tell us anything either. I'm not trying to be morbid and I certainly don't want to offend anyone, but a 51 year old could make such a statement and die the next day... what does that prove?
I'm personally willing to accept that by putting my body through HRT I may have shortened my lifespan, but I can't say "there's no data that proves I will live a shorter life, so therefore I will live a long, full live". I'm sorry, but I'm perusing a career in science and I just can't stand unjustified conclusions.
I'd be very interested in a study on our lifespans, because I would like to know, and I DO want to live a long healthy life. Of course, I would never stop HRT, but If there's something else that can be done about it (like a new medicine or more healthy estrogen), I'd like the scientific community to be aware of the possibility to research it.
The way I see it, I (we) got a raw deal to begin with! Living the rest of life in the correct gender isn't a blessing that we should be lucky to have; it's our reward for putting up with so much garbage -- our consolation prize for not being born with the right parts. We deserve the rest of our life, and I want to make mine last as long as I can.
Quote from: Elaine on September 09, 2007, 03:57:04 PM
Chinese websites aside, I'd be very very interested to know if or how much a transsexual's lifespan is affected after HRT (I would think the HRT would be more of an issue for a persons longevity than surgery).
And hun, nobody is saying that what we're doing doesn't have an affect on our lifespans. Some of us are just saying that there is no evidence that, assuming we
aren't sexworkers, murdered by some psycho or commit suicide, that we have shorter lifespans. I don't think that's in any way denial or saying we have to be thankful for the few years we have, I think it's just putting a dubious website's statements in perspective.
ciao,
Gina M.
that means i am living on borrowed time
Depression has a very bad effect on lifespan (it has longterm effects even when you get better later), so I would not be surprised if pre transition stresses and self-destructive lifestyle choices have a long term effect on health and shorten our lifespan...
But, if we didn't transition, its probable our lifespan would be even shorter, just lost in the population and not distinguished as such as a TS based problem.
Quote from: Keira on September 09, 2007, 10:26:38 PM
Depression has a very bad effect on lifespan (it has longterm effects even when you get better later), so I would not be surprised if pre transition stresses and self-destructive lifestyle choices have a long term effect on health and shorten our lifespan...
But, if we didn't transition, its probable our lifespan would be even shorter, just lost in the population and not distinguished as such as a TS based problem.
Which is one of the great tragedies about gender dysphoria and its difficult place in society. It's painful to imagine how many suicides have happened because of someone's desperation about their gender dysphoria and nobody else was privy to that information. Had I killed myself (something I felt like doing any number of times during my pre-transition life) no one would have been the wiser about why I needed to do it. How many people have jumped off a building, cut themselves or driven their car into a tree because they couldn't bring themselves to deal with such a difficult issue. How many teenagers and children have died because they couldn't deal with their intense feelings of isolation about who they really were? (I first tried to kill myself when I was 10) How often have you heard something like this after a high school student kills themselves, "we have no idea why he killed himself, he was a good student and good at sports. He was such a handsome young man. We don't know why he seemed so sad. He had everything to live for. We can't imagine WHY he did it!" Yeah, I know EXACTLY why some of those young people took their lives, I felt like doing it myself.
I'm a LOT more concerned about the lifespan of those people rather than those who've transitioned, made lives for themselves and have gotten comfort and personal integration from transition.
ciao,
Gina M.
I don't care. I'm finally living and that's what counts.
Don't know about statistics, studies, etc, but:
1.) I'm happy most of the time.
2.) I'm still with my life partner of 36 yrs........and both of us are happier than we were. It works for us.
3.) I'm in good health. Good diet, and exercise. Lots of veggies and fruit, some lean meat, other
low-fat foods.
4.) My high dose of spiro lowers my blood pressure, and keeps the pitting edema in my lower legs
away.
5.) My estradiol keeps my prostate the size of a teenager's, or smaller.
6.) I don't have testosterone challenging my mind to do stupid sh*t with my body.
So, in all likelihood, I'll live longer than I would have because of hrt. Now all I have to do is make sure to look both ways when crossing the street, and stay out of dangerous situations.
Bev
Living blithely to the end, wherever that is
When I transitioned ten years ago, the medical world thought estrogen made women live longer. I thought, "Hey, maybe I can live to be 91 like my mother did" (my dad died when he was 70). Then, that long-thought theory that estrogen makes women live longer was debunked.
Some wonder if testosterone kills. Who knows?
When I transitioned, I realized that transitioning ITSELF created huge stress and, as any medical person will tell you, stress kills. In life, there are no guarantees. No matter what science tells you today is FACT, science can change that reality tomorrow.
A smoker can die at 95. A non-smoker can die in his eighties. Genetics and will to live may be the ultimate determining factors for lifespan. As Mark Twain said, "there are three kinds of lies: statistics, statistics and statistics."
Teri Anne
A note on statistics: "average lifespan" is a bit misleading. If five people had an average lifespan of 80.2, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're all living to be about 80 years old. It could mean that four of them lived to be 100 and one died when he was one year old. Therefore, the "average" lifespan in the US of 77.8 years from birth is meaningless for people who are over a certain age.
To summarize, you have a better chance of living longer if you live past a certain age. If you don't die in childhood, you put yourself in the subcategory of "people who made it past age 12," which has a longer average lifespan than "people in general." If you get past young adulthood and the risky behaviors associated with being 20 or so, you have even better odds. Same goes for other life stages and everything in between. So when you calculate your average expectancy, it's a bit ridiculous if you don't factor in the age that you currently are, which is a bit hard to do.
Just thought I'd put in a math-y note!
EDIT: If you want to look it up, this sort of thing is called an "age-specific death rate," by which you can build a "life table" which shows the odds someone has of dying before their next birthday. Fun!
Quote from: Teri Anne on September 11, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
When I transitioned ten years ago, the medical world thought estrogen made women live longer. I thought, "Hey, maybe I can live to be 91 like my mother did" (my dad died when he was 70). Then, that long-thought theory that estrogen makes women live longer was debunked.
Some wonder if testosterone kills. Who knows?
When I transitioned, I realized that transitioning ITSELF created huge stress and, as any medical person will tell you, stress kills. In life, there are no guarantees. No matter what science tells you today is FACT, science can change that reality tomorrow.
A smoker can die at 95. A non-smoker can die in his eighties. Genetics and will to live may be the ultimate determining factors for lifespan. As Mark Twain said, "there are three kinds of lies: statistics, statistics and statistics."
Teri Anne
That's funny about the stats quote. My statistics teacher told us in the start of our class, "Statistics don't lie, but liers use statistics."
Quote from: Teri Anne on September 11, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
A smoker can die at 95. A non-smoker can die in his eighties. Genetics and will to live may be the ultimate determining factors for lifespan. As Mark Twain said, "there are three kinds of lies: statistics, statistics and statistics."
Well, Mark Twain was a smoker and died when he was only 75. (and he already wasn't looking that great when he was, like, 40). So THERE, Mark Twain.
ciao,
Gina M.
Hi Gina,
Mark Twain, aka Samuel Clemens, considered suicide as a young man (waaaay before he became a famous writer). I'm glad that he lived to say, as an older man, "rumors of my death have been extremely eggagerated."
Rumors of OUR TS deaths are not an inevitability.
Teri Anne
QuoteJust thought I'd put in a math-y note!
Probability is what makes insurance companies profitable.
Quote from: Teri Anne on September 11, 2007, 06:08:48 PM
Hi Gina,
Mark Twain, aka Samuel Clemens, considered suicide as a young man (waaaay before he became a famous writer). I'm glad that he lived to say, as an older man, "rumors of my death have been extremely eggagerated."
Rumors of OUR TS deaths are not an inevitability.
Teri Anne
Actually, I take it back, in his own curmudgeonly way he was very cute. We're still alive, aren't we? Sometimes I forget.
ciao,
Gina M.
QuoteProbability is what makes insurance companies profitable.
Ahem. What I meant to say was that these statistics mean you could die any minute. Think of your family! Now, what if I told you that for $19.99 a month... ;)
Quotebesides the fact that the statistics are pretty much fabricated and stuff
Me thinks you watch too much TV. Anyone can create a graph or theory based on untrue facts and make a claim. The source of the information is a clue to its validity. The use of the information is also a clue to its validity. A casino has the odds in favor of the house and they put their money where their statistics are. It is true when focusing on any individual you will find a few winning against the odds. But statistics do not care about an individual, statistics only care about a majority of individuals. You are right that the more factors used in a statistical analysis the more accurate it is. Assuming the data has been proving true.
If you live a reasonable healthy life style with regular exercise,don't smoke or over do it with alcohol, there isn't any reason that one should think that,that info is true. Even if someone is not on HRT and they're living an unhealthy life style, They will have a shorter life span. If you're worried about the clotting issue, you can always take a daily low dose of asperine. Just ask your pharmacist about Bayers daily low dose.That's what my Doc. told me I should do. Many people even take them that aren't on HRT.
It is probably true that transsexual have statistically shorter life-spans than cis-gendered people.
Here are a few reasons:
* higher suicide rate
* suffering from GID is not very healthy and can leave traces
* some people with GID are prone to substance abuse
* more probably victim of violence
* medical complications [probably a small factor]
Most of the reasons seem to be related to how society treats TS-inviduals, rather than anything directly connected to being trans.
I feel like everyone is missing one big thing. The thing I think about when I consider our longevity is not suicide (not worried about that), not medical complications from GRS (rare), or hate crimes, or the stress of transition, or any of those things.
The big thing to me is the physiological stress that the hormones themselves may put on the human body -- a body that was not "designed" to be especially receptive to the hormones of the opposite gender. Of all the things that might affect our lifespan, this seems like the most probable one.
I'm not talking about mental stress or any of that. Many of you are commenting on how you are very happy and live very healthy lives, but there's no way any of us could guess as to the stress the hormones themselves are putting on our bodies. Sure we may not be at risk for suicide and we may exercise and eat right, but until an actual study is done, we don't know if our risk of cancer is actually 3 times higher than the average healthy person simply because we've subjected ourselves to HRT. No matter how healthy we live, this is a very distinct possibility. (Cancer is an example by the way, it could be anything).
Is no one thinking of this?
Not that it would change anything for me, but I would like to know if there's another way I can help myself live longer. For all we know, an aspirin a day might make all the difference for our individual lifespans. How are scientists ever going to study this is we don't even think it's worth studying?
Hormones do have an effect on life. They do increase the chance of cancer according to the AMA. We can stop hormones in later life and be like a menopausal women. We will have to watch the bones etc. Hormones do also have a youthful effect that keeps skin and the body young. How this all pans out for the individual is debatable at the least. Out of all the statistics from China I doubt that hormones was a major factor or at least not equal to the drugs made in the US. We have so little information on the numbers from China and how equal numbers would compare to US numbers. We do know that world wide people that transition on the average do have slightly shorter average life spans than those who do not transition. But as pointed out many other factors probably account for this.
What we do know with relative certainty is that estrogen does not cause breast cancer de novo, but it may cause an existing breast cancer to grow.
We also know that breast cancer risk increases with age: 8 out of 10 breast cancers are in women over 50, whether or not they take estrogen. A woman's breast cancer risk is also based upon her lifelong exposure to her own hormones; the longer she produces estrogen, the more likely she is to develop breast cancer. Women are at lower risk for breast cancer if they got their periods late, have not become overweight, or go through menopause early. We know that women who are on hormone replacement therapy (HRT) are diagnosed with breast cancer more often than women not on HRT, but we also know that women on HRT are much more likely than women not on HRT to have mammograms and annual clinical breast exams.
Over the last 25 years, more than 50 studies have evaluated hormone therapy and breast cancer. According to the National Cancer Institute, these studies varied widely in design and have inconsistent results. While there is one major study of 80,000 nurses that shows that patients who took estrogen had a slightly increased risk of breast cancer, other studies contradict that finding. The most encouraging finding may be one from a study of 42,000 women in Iowa concluding that there was no difference in the survival rate from breast cancer in women on estrogen compared to those on placebo. This study also concluded that a woman who took estrogen and got breast cancer had an increased life expectancy of 2-3 years over a matched control who did not take estrogen and did not get breast cancer. What this suggests is that women on HRT with breast cancer are probably being diagnosed very early. . .and that their risk of dying of other causes is probably reduced. This also suggests that menopausal women on HRT are probably healthier to begin with as well as less likely to smoke.
The cancer biology team from UQ's Diamantina Institute for Cancer, Immunology and Metabolic Medicine, believe their finding will help explain the link between breast cancer and high levels of estrogen.
"What we've shown is that the ability of estrogen to switch this gene on is important for the growth of breast cancer cells," Diamantina cancer biology research leader Professor Tom Gonda said.
The gene they studied, known as MYB, is found in about 70 percent of all breast cancers and is one of several dozen genes called oncogenes that promote cancer growth.
"What's important in breast cancer is the ability of estrogen to turn on MYB rather than there being a mutation in the gene itself," Professor Gonda said.
He said the next step was to take the results, which come from isolated cancer cells grown in the laboratory, and test them in laboratory mice that are a better model for human patients.
"We're trying to show directly that MYB can induce cancerous changes in normal breast cells."
Professor Gonda and his colleagues at UQ worked with researchers in Melbourne, Adelaide and the United States and published their findings in August in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
He said a drug that blocks the action of MYB might be used to treat breast cancer in the future but he warned that would take many years of hard work.
Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by University Of Queensland
Posted on: September 12, 2007, 03:51:31 PM
Like the WHI study, the results of the NHS found no statistically significant increased breast cancer risk when estrogen therapy was used for less than 10 years, Wendy Chen, M.D., and researchers at Harvard here wrote.
However, they said, the longer a woman used estrogen, the greater her risk of breast cancer. For those who had taken estrogen for more than 20 years, the increased risk was highly significant.
The NHS, a prospective cohort study, with a 1980 baseline of postmenopausal women who had had a hysterectomy, eventually included 28,835 women in the 2000-2002 follow-up period.
A total of 934 invasive breast cancers were included in the analysis, with breast cancer risk increasing with duration of unopposed estrogen among longer-term users and especially in tumors that were estrogen-receptor positive and progesterone-receptor positive, the researchers reported.
Analysis of relative risks over 20 years found the risk began to increase after 10 years, so that by 20 years, it was more than 40% greater.
The multivariate relative risks (RRs) and 95% confidence intervals (CIs) for breast cancer with current use of unopposed estrogen were as follows (P for trend .001):
Less than five years, RR 0.96 (95% CI, 0.75-1.22);
Five to 9.9 years, RR 0.90 (95% CI, 0.73-1.12);
10 to 14.9 years, RR 1.06 (95% CI, 0.87-1.30);
15 to 19.9 years RR 1.18 (95% CI, 0.95-1.48);
20 years or longer RR 1.42 (95% CI, 1.13-1.77).
Quote from: lisagurl on September 12, 2007, 04:03:36 PM
What we do know with relative certainty is that estrogen does not cause breast cancer de novo, but it may cause an existing breast cancer to grow.
Thanks for the info, but I can't say it added a lot of clarity for my confusion on this issue. There are a LOT of conflicting studies and it's not at all clear how these studies impact cross-gender HRT. I like this link for a clearer breakdown of some of the issues:
http://www.womentowomen.com/breasthealth/estrogenbreastcancer.asp (http://www.womentowomen.com/breasthealth/estrogenbreastcancer.asp)
ciao,
Gina M.
Quote from: Keira on September 09, 2007, 10:26:38 PM
Depression has a very bad effect on lifespan (it has longterm effects even when you get better later), so I would not be surprised if pre transition stresses and self-destructive lifestyle choices have a long term effect on health and shorten our lifespan...
But, if we didn't transition, its probable our lifespan would be even shorter, just lost in the population and not distinguished as such as a TS based problem.
Long term?!
This makes me not like today...I've been that way for years.
The HRT life affect is interesting though
Quote from: regina on September 12, 2007, 05:26:12 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on September 12, 2007, 04:03:36 PM
What we do know with relative certainty is that estrogen does not cause breast cancer de novo, but it may cause an existing breast cancer to grow.
Thanks for the info, but I can't say it added a lot of clarity for my confusion on this issue. There are a LOT of conflicting studies and it's not at all clear how these studies impact cross-gender HRT. I like this link for a clearer breakdown of some of the issues:
http://www.womentowomen.com/breasthealth/estrogenbreastcancer.asp (http://www.womentowomen.com/breasthealth/estrogenbreastcancer.asp)
ciao,
Gina M.
Yea, and the flip side is it's cuts out the risk of prostate cancer...
Quote from: Tink on September 07, 2007, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: Yvonne on September 07, 2007, 05:46:20 PM
If I hadn't transitioned, I'd have died years ago. Thus it doesnt matter if I die tomorrow, next week or when I'm thirty. It will be well worth it. I will die being "me" not somebody else.
What she said. :)
tink :icon_chick:
What Tink said ;)
Cindi