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Science, Philosophy? Doesn't matter.

I'm bored so I thought I'd start a discussion over something we can argue about and not come to blows (I can hear Jill F say oh no count down time!).

There is an old conundrum first presented by Barkley that said:
If a tree falls down in a forest does it make a sound if no one is present to hear it?

It is an argument in quantum physics which is still fun.

Discuss!

Oh and a variation on schrodinger's cat conundrum.

What would you see (or not) if you put a siamese cat in a fridge? (no don't experiment please).

I somehow expect no responses. - If Cindy posts a quantum physics discussion it creates no response!

 ;) I see much Strangeness; but it`s not without a little Charm.......Perhaps, I`m feeling a weak attraction.  :D

That is so ionic!

The answer is simple, the tree never falls,It leans against another tree and never touches the ground.

You've obviously chose your cat very carefully. It's a special case, and and the only one where I wouldn't see anything. I can't stand Siamese and and once I get it in there I'm not opening it again.

I'm an atheist, but that doesn't keep me from enjoying this classic comment on Berkeley's principle:

Quote from: Monsignor Ronald Knox
There was a young man who said "God
Must find it exceedingly odd
To think that the tree
Should continue to be
When there's no one about in the quad."

"Dear Sir: Your astonishment's odd;
I am always about in the quad.
And that's why the tree
Will continue to be
Since observed by, Yours faithfully, God."

And re: Schrödinger's cat, I saw this recently in the New Yorker:

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You've obviously chose your cat very carefully. It's a special case, and and the only one where I wouldn't see anything. I can't stand Siamese and and once I get it in there I'm not opening it again.

Note to self- eat leftover Thai food in fridge before it rots.

So does the little light stay on when I close the fridge door?

If a tree falls in a forest and it hits an accordion player, does anyone care?

(https://claesjohnsonmathscience.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/quantmech2.jpg)

I heard that because Schroedinger's cat is radioactive, it must have 18 half lives.

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Dear Cat,

Schroedinger killed you. I was framed.

Love,
Curiosity

Quote from: Jill F on July 21, 2015, 04:34:04 PM

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link=topic=192337.msg1717299#msg1717299 date=1437509586
You've obviously chose your cat very carefully. It's a special case, and and the only one where I wouldn't see anything. I can't stand Siamese and and once I get it in there I'm not opening it again.

Note to self- eat leftover Thai food in fridge before it rots.

So does the little light stay on when I close the fridge door?

Ask the cat? But the answer may be yes and no.

I think this thread deserves a Jill-ism of sorts...

Schroedinger's Joke- A joke which is both funny and not funny at the same time but there is no way of knowing if anyone else will laugh at it until you have told it... But by then it's too late and you will either look like an idiot or a comedy genius.

I'd love to interact with this thread, but if I do I fear the thread will decohere and ruin it for everyone.

Oh... oops.

Since I had forgotten this thread did it exist or only when Serverlan saw it

If a cat is in a box in a tree that falls in the forest does the cat know WTF is going on?

this is why people have such a hard time believing in God.( please believe me I'm not trying to start a war it's just my own personal conjecture unintended to be anything other than a benign statement in response to a benign conjecture.)

Some time ago I explained the principle of the Double Slit Experiment to my True Love, who flew into a half-rage because it made no sense. Quantum physics was an affront to reality. It was hilarious.

The answer is a long cool beer and some neat beats. Chop wood, carry water.

Surely it makes a sound even if no human being is there to hear it.

Humans always think to be too much relevant in the Universe.

... i think that there could be so many living beings near or under the falling tree, may be there are some flowers or some grass down there when the tree falls down.

Perhaps they don't hear a "sound" because they do not have ears, but may be they perceive that a tree is dying.

The tree itself is a living being... may be he (it?) is aware that is falling down.

This is not a quantum physics answer - :)

Aly

Shouldn't the question be if a man sitting on a fallen tree in the forest makes a statement and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong?

Of course according to Finagle's Corollary of Murphy's Law, the man would not be making a statement because the tree would have fallen on him.

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There is an old conundrum first presented by Barkley that said:
If a tree falls down in a forest does it make a sound if no one is present to hear it?

Scientifically there's the matter of fact argument it's not possible to know because the scientific method requires empirical analysis from our own senses (or peers).

But if knowledge is not concerned with irrefutable facts regarding 'being' (what constitutes the existence in relationship to our senses and mathematics) and relationships to other things, then from extrapolation of faith of consistency in the system (what we assume is a shared universe) you have a good guess if it's going to make the sound.

But an intuitive guess is not always the truest or most accurate even though we like to use Occam's Razor to guide us in making new a hypothesis and testing it (which is commonly misinterpreted as "the most simple explanation is often the right one").

Sometimes video game developers can make workarounds that we could overlook if we are living in a simulation, such as only rendering objects on the screen when we walk enough distance up to them. If the world is a simulation, it is possible some shortcuts could be taken so what's out of view doesn't function based on what we would think, like for instance if everyone lives in their own universe data not 'rendering' until we find it, although I read briefly about quantum entanglement and how two particles have states relative to each other (however I don't know too much about physics).

Ponder the sound of one hand clapping, because the other hand is being used to snatch the pebble from my hand.