One of my trans friends likes trump. What do you think of Trump. What do think the implications a Trump presidency would be for LGBT people. I have some opinions but I will withhold them because I am more interested in what others think.
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Your second post is well advised and intentioned, no doubt, as political passions rival any others around here. Donald Trump is the breakaway leading candidate of the Republican Party although he was a registered democrat far longer. I think he is entertaining, bombastic and scary to contemplate in a diplomatic setting. He has made any number of contentious statements that give him press time while being outrageously inflammatory. Heat without light. His buffoonery is an insult to a political world that has less positive approval than snake oil sales people. He is able to be on this stage primarily because he is a very wealthy man that can simply buy his way in. Just a political opinion and don't we have plenty of that! Can't wait for more >:-) ;D
Quote...buffoonery...
This.
The only thing scarier than the idea of a Trump presidency is the notion that enough people might actually vote for him. The level of ignorance we've attained in this country is staggering.
The thing I find fascinating about Trump is his ability to go into a extremely high class expensive restaurant at any time of day and raid the refrigerator.
He does put the Oli in oligarchy and raids more than our refrigerators ;D ;D; Who will he fire next, all of us?
I still have a bad taste after the Jenna Talickova issue when he refused to allow her to compete in his beauty contest until she threatened legal action.
He seems to appeal to the same sentiments as George Wallace did in the 1960s. He's popular among those voters who want Someone to Blame.
Not a fan of the guy.
Of all the republican candidate, Trump is the only one I would want to see in office. (Personally I'd prefer Bernie Sanders). Trump might actually do something to help the economy after all he is a shrewd business man. I don't agree with everything on his immigration views. As far as LGBT issues goes, he's not going to help us like Obama has, but he's not going to doing anything to hurt us as he doesn't support any anti-LGBT legislation.
it is in my opinion that his taking office would stall most activity at a political level, his demeanor would be impossible to work with on any issue that has any sort of variance of opinion. his lashing out at people especially women and other minorities without detailed information makes my spine tingle not in a good way. this is the first year I can remember that I do not have a choice of at least the better of two evils, thank goodness we time before it really starts
Trump;
I like his candor, but not some of his policies. Other politicians avoid saying things on their mind clearly due to offending someone or a group of people. Always in a broad sense. Maybe some of these "also runs" will come up to the mic more and spell out their platforms.
Joelene
"You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." John Lydgate
As an outsider I must say that you guys will have no idea what he will be like if elected. He's pandering to the lowest common denominator that he thinks will vote for him, and is not really giving much of what he truely thinks away.
Nor is he likely to actually honor anything he says to the public.
If he gets elected though, and still needs to pander to the far right, the trans community is in deep doo doo.
Basically a more thorough version of what Australia went through, and got, in it's last election.
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Full of hubris, also petty and vindictive.
I would like to see Trump win the REP slot , that way the other contenders are eliminated for Pres.
Then in the National elections the voters kick Trump to the curb.
Quote from: Sydney_NYC on August 25, 2015, 01:57:25 PM
Of all the republican candidate, Trump is the only one I would want to see in office. (Personally I'd prefer Bernie Sanders). Trump might actually do something to help the economy after all he is a shrewd business man. I don't agree with everything on his immigration views. As far as LGBT issues goes, he's not going to help us like Obama has, but he's not going to doing anything to hurt us as he doesn't support any anti-LGBT legislation.
Trump do something for the economy? You are aware he declared bankruptcy multiple times, yes? He's about as qualified to lead a country as a toddler.
See here is the thing about trump, in a recent interview he said the following:
"I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong and so powerful and so great... that we'll never have to use it. Nobody's gonna mess with us."
Here is my problem with this:
https://www.military1.com/army/article/402211-how-much-stronger-is-the-us-military-compared-with-the-next-strongest-power
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=united-states-of-america&country2=china&Submit=COMPARE
http://www.globalfirepower.com/
What?? I mean...WHAT??? Military spending hasn't gone down, I think ever! WHAT!?!?!?!
Anyone who can say that straight faced, and not see how ridiculous it is should not be allowed anywhere NEAR our budgeting for military. His backwards, simplistic thinking will put us so far down a whole we may never recover, especially since having a standing military to NOT USE IT is one of the dumbest statements...ever!
The worlds second biggest, or was that third biggest, airforce is the US Navy.
That says a damn lot.
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Trump is a rank idiot. He has failed in business more times than most everyone. He was born rounding 3rd and thinks he hit a home run. He will not be a successful president if he wins and he has no chance of winning the general election. He is the height of ->-bleeped-<-tery. The sad truth is that the Republican party is so obsessed with "others" that they've driven everyone that isn't white, mostly male, and religious out of their tent. They are not particularly relevant in national elections and it would be a huge huge upset for any Republican to win the presidency these days. The map and the demographics they've created for themselves with all of their "teal American" talk will be their downfall once again. I mean Obama wasn't all that popular last election and he still won quite easily.
my view on Politics, especially american politics is very negative, since I spent my free time gathering background information on buisness, corruption, banks, policits and so on.
I am not american, but my opinion on this is: The way wont change, everything will go on nearly the same way if seen general. Minor changes are task of a president, deciding where the country has to go, that is nothing the president has bother himself as other people do that for him. For Trump, he talks much and acts like a tough guy, I guess this is his main attribute.
Quote from: Everbrooke on August 26, 2015, 12:36:50 AM
See here is the thing about trump, in a recent interview he said the following:
"I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong and so powerful and so great... that we'll never have to use it. Nobody's gonna mess with us."
Here is my problem with this:
https://www.military1.com/army/article/402211-how-much-stronger-is-the-us-military-compared-with-the-next-strongest-power
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=united-states-of-america&country2=china&Submit=COMPARE
http://www.globalfirepower.com/
What?? I mean...WHAT??? Military spending hasn't gone down, I think ever! WHAT!?!?!?!
Anyone who can say that straight faced, and not see how ridiculous it is should not be allowed anywhere NEAR our budgeting for military. His backwards, simplistic thinking will put us so far down a whole we may never recover, especially since having a standing military to NOT USE IT is one of the dumbest statements...ever!
I get his point, for me its also a dumb point but I can understand his point how view.
america needs defense and a huge military to scare other countries, starting war in other countries to make sure, no one is able to attack america.
I guess that is what he meant.
America has the advantage of their economy, their banks and their more than huge military. Their problem is, the economy/financial and bank part will suffer from more than huge problems in the future. Europe as ally has absolutely no military worth to mention and a economy that was sold to China.
As for Russia and China, that just united their military in purpose of ... guess what.. Russia has a huge military, not as much as america for sure, but better systems in terms of infiltration, hacking, air superiority and water superiority.
China has its economy that is still growing (0,5% less than before, wow! Other economys dont grow even that like).
So the problem Trump thinks, his country will suffer in the future is, their economy/financial will break down and together with europe (will face a more huge problem) they cant use their power of economy against potential enemies. The last year sanctions on Russia didnt hit them hard enough to let inner revolution and financial collapse break out, that was what was planned, didnt work, Russia is agressive because of that, China is too, they united, both have a problem with america so you may get now what I want to say.
Part of his persona is his showmanship. He loves the limelight and the PR he gets helps promote his projects. Quite frankly, I'm not even sure he wants to be president. I think he enjoys the show.
In any case, I refuse to vote for any candidate who may set back equality for all including transgender people. You see, I vote for MY own interests and making sure my rights are protected are at the top of my needs list.
Cindi
I'd rather vote for one of the Kardashians... (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthefiringline.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Ftongue.gif&hash=635dd8fbd198d13e75e7b21e12e5f405e686d654)
They're just as smart, have smaller egos, and they're less interested in publicity.
I like that Trump is running. If he's able to secure the nomination, it almost guarantees a Democratic victory.
David Duke voiced support for the guy. That should be enough to make any sane Republican steer clear.
Quote from: ftmax on August 26, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
I like that Trump is running. If he's able to secure the nomination, it almost guarantees a Democratic victory.
David Duke voiced support for the guy. That should be enough to make any sane Republican steer clear.
Naw, just steer clear of David Duke. I am not a real supporter of Mr. Donald John Trump myself.
Joelene, US Navy Veteran, Vietnam Era. Supporter of John McCain
Quote from: ftmax on August 26, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
I like that Trump is running. If he's able to secure the nomination, it almost guarantees a Democratic victory.
David Duke voiced support for the guy. That should be enough to make any sane Republican steer clear.
I love that he is running for the same reason lol. The only reason he is in the lead right now is because to many other repubs are running.
I have really mixed feelings about whether or not I want him to get the repub nomination. I feel like if he does get it there will be a smaller voter turn out for the republicans and a larger one for the democrats. Trump has more people that hate him then that like him. That is definitely clear. Even among republicans many cannot stand him despite the fact that he is in the lead. The negative about him winning is that it cast a really poor reflection on republicans. The main reason people like him, is because he doesn't give a crap about anyone who isn't a straight white cis and male and even some of them he doesn't care about (the poor and disabled). They love that he is opposed to political correctness (also known as respect and empathy). It disgust me people are voting for him for such a horrible reason.
On the other hand, if he loses and runs as an independent it would practically ensure a democratic victory. Unfortunately it's not a 100% sure thing that he run as an independent.
So I am going to break my promise not to comment. I think he is the best house in a horrible neighborhood. Politically I am all over the place. I would prefer a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren administration, but if a Republican gets the presidency, I would prefer that Donald Trump gets it. He is loud, obnoxious, and shameless self-promoter, but he is the most reasonable candidate in the GOP.
I can't imagine him having the nuclear launch codes. Or who he would appoint to the Supreme Court.
Better Trump than Santorum or Huckabee!
Quote from: NikkiJ on August 27, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
I can't imagine him having the nuclear launch codes. Or who he would appoint to the Supreme Court.
Oprah could probably buy a seat :D
I have 10 more (misogynistic) reasons not to let Trump anywhere near public office- EVER. These quotes should all disqualify him.
1. "I would never buy Ivana any decent jewels or pictures. Why give her negotiable assets?" (1990)
2. "26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?" (Twitter, 2013)
3. "It's certainly not groundbreaking news that the early victories by the women on 'The Apprentice' were, to a very large extent, dependent on their sex appeal." (2004)
4. "You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass." (1991)
5. "I mean, we could say politically correct that look doesn't matter, but the look obviously matters. Like you wouldn't have your job if you weren't beautiful." (To female reporter in 2015)
6. "Women have one of the great acts of all time. The smart ones act very feminine and needy, but inside they are real killers. The person who came up with the expression 'the weaker sex' was either very naive or had to be kidding. I have seen women manipulate men with just a twitch of their eye — or perhaps another body part." (1997)
7. "If Hillary Clinton can't satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?" (Twitter, 2015)
8. "[Angelina Jolie's] been with so many guys she makes me look like a baby... And, I just don't even find her attractive." (2006)
9. "While Bette Midler is an extremely unattractive woman, I refuse to say that because I always insist on being politically correct." (Twitter, 2012)
10. "My favorite part [of 'Pulp Fiction'] is when Sam has his gun out in the diner and he tells the guy to tell his girlfriend to shut up. Tell that bitch to be cool. Say: 'Bitch be cool.' I love those lines." (2005)
I would be most afraid of his foreign policy tbh. He is a bully, and he does have a temper. He already states that he wants to increase funding to our military. So from what I know about him and after hearing him say the things, I recognize that he flaunts his money and his wealth as a tool to get people to do what he wants. He is very open about i. He is unapologetic about his privilege. I see him doing something like that with the military if he gets to be the commander and chief. He is gonna flaunt our military strength just like he flaunts every thing else he has. It wouldn't be good.
While I agree that santorum or Huckabee or Cruz would be horrible. I am not sure if they would be better or worse then trump.
If any repubs wins I guess I would want it to be Rand Paul even though he still isn't someone I would vote for.
It's hard to buy a billionaire who is doing it for his own ego;) I always said we needed a person who started out poor, but ended up very wealthy, but more like bill gates.. trumps had too many bankruptcies, but I love drumming him up for the Republicans since he's the best thing they ever had. I'd vote for him if he went 3rd party or democrat, but I only see hate with the gop.. they were a good party a few decades ago, but like people, they grew up and became bitter.. seems anymore republicans are hate and religion and Democrats are science and opportunity.. neither one can see the other side, but when you are one one of these sides, there could be no middle.. then trump jumped in. Did anyone else find it disturbing when he has an issue with god in politics , but just recently his favorite book was the bible? First time I saw him pander to a crowd.. he lost me there..
But just the fact he doesn't have to have anyone buy his campaign, that is sooo refreshing for once.. the moment a Democrat does that completely, they have my vote for sure!
Wish he would jump ship and run with hillary;) don't care who is pres/vice.. just then, I could see old rich people falling in their graves! That moldy money is starting to make this country stink!
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Quote from: rachel89 on August 25, 2015, 10:43:51 AM
Keep it civilized so the thread doesn't get locked.
He physically abused his wife, financially abused several of his "businesses", and verbally abuses anybody who will listen to him. It's difficult to talk about Trump's actions and keep it civil as his actions are not civil.
If he treated our nation as he runs his businesses, he would make us file Chapter 11 and outsource all of our citizens.
Quote from: Cynobyte on August 27, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
they were a good party a few decades ago, but like people, they grew up and became bitter.. seems anymore republicans are hate and religion and Democrats are science and opportunity..
I read the change in the Republican party differently. When you look at their actions, they've become the party of the very powerful and very wealthy. It's hard to cobble together an electoral majority that way, so they've used hate and xenophobia to rally voters to their cause.
Quote from: Sydney_NYC on August 25, 2015, 01:57:25 PM
Of all the republican candidate, Trump is the only one I would want to see in office. (Personally I'd prefer Bernie Sanders). Trump might actually do something to help the economy after all he is a shrewd business man. I don't agree with everything on his immigration views. As far as LGBT issues goes, he's not going to help us like Obama has, but he's not going to doing anything to hurt us as he doesn't support any anti-LGBT legislation.
He has stated , more than once, that he opposes gay marriage.
OMG, run people run, never look back. We are going to very sad if the people running get in office. Because of all the influence from the REAL PEOPLE in charge, we are doomed. We need to fire everyone that is running and start over. And if the next lot is not any better, we need to re do it again. We are at a breaking point here, if we dont get the right people in office now, i am afraid our country is doomed and we never come out of it. Please dont vote for the people they want you too. Dont be sheep, vote for some one who will help this country not drag it further down. I dont see anybody that is running that is fit for office.
Quote from: Traci New on August 28, 2015, 08:51:59 AM. I dont see anybody that is running that is fit for office.
We still have Bernie Sanders. He's the only one with some sense
Quote from: BenKenobi on August 28, 2015, 09:06:14 AM
We still have Bernie Sanders. He's the only one with some sense
Yeah, I want my vote to go to Bernie. I will vote for Hillary if I have to to keep these clowns out.
Quote from: ftmax on August 26, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
I like that Trump is running. If he's able to secure the nomination, it almost guarantees a Democratic victory.
What are you talking about? Trump is actually more electable than the Republicans. If you really want a guaranteed Democratic victory, then you should hope that someone like Rick Santorum wins the Republican primary. Because, there's no way that guy can win a general election.
Quote from: VeryGnawty on August 28, 2015, 11:20:02 PM
What are you talking about? Trump is actually more electable than the Republicans. If you really want a guaranteed Democratic victory, then you should hope that someone like Rick Santorum wins the Republican primary. Because, there's no way that guy can win a general election.
Trump is like the Bieber of the republican (except not even kinda cute). Sure he has a huge fan base, but for every person that loves him there are 3 people hate him. If he wins the primary there will be a really high voter turn out from the democrats to make sure he doesn't get elected. Many republicans don't like him either do they might not vote.
Trump is in the spotlight right now because so many people hate him. He puts his foot in his mouth at least once a week, and the news paper eats it up. It really
doesn't bode well for winning an election.
He is running basically on the fact that he was rich enough to pay for his campaign, and the fact that he doesn't care if he's offensive. He is exactly the kind of person America doesn't need in office! we already have enough people like him running corporations! why do we want that kinda of person in office?
Feel the Bern
"Greatest campaign slogan of my lifetime"
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Mariah
Quote from: Sydney_NYC on August 25, 2015, 01:57:25 PM
Of all the republican candidate, Trump is the only one I would want to see in office. (Personally I'd prefer Bernie Sanders). Trump might actually do something to help the economy after all he is a shrewd business man. I don't agree with everything on his immigration views. As far as LGBT issues goes, he's not going to help us like Obama has, but he's not going to doing anything to hurt us as he doesn't support any anti-LGBT legislation.
I can't believe that Sydney is agreeing with me on... politics! Wow!
I think that those of us who live or lived in or around NYC have a different perspective on the Donald than people from, say Arkansas or Colorado. For a real estate developer he has a surprising affinity for media attention and controversy. I don't think I'd feel particularly comfortable with him as President.
My opinion, trump needs to go sit in a dark closet and forget how to open the door.
I would love to see Rand Paul or another Libertarian get the nomination, but sadly we only seem to recognize two parties in this country and any others have to run under a major parties umbrella usually leading to those sub-parties being completely over looked and in the background to the major party players.
Look at everything Paul stands for, strengthening the Constitution AS WRITTEN (bye bye hopes for another AWB), rebuilding our economy, strengthening American Manufacturing, simplifying the tax code, balancing the budget and getting us out of debt, strengthening our military and the list goes on.
I honestly think that it's high time that we stop voting based on lies of "strengthening women's and LGBT rights" because we all know they are only saying it for your vote, but instead start voting for who is going to cut spending and turn that debt clock into reverse.
"I don't want my guns or my marriage registered in Washington" and neither do I.
Quote from: iKate on September 03, 2015, 09:24:34 AM
I can't believe that Sydney is agreeing with me on... politics! Wow!
:icon_female: It happens. I consider myself more independent than anything else. I used to be more republican but when the right wing took it over, especially the Tea Party, the GOP just seemed less and less interesting. I believe in LGBT rights, pro-choice, but I also support right to bare arms and better control of social services like food stamps and immigration. I think the Tea Party has nearly destroyed the GOP and someone like Trump I think agrees.
Quote from: kariann330 on September 03, 2015, 03:15:49 PM
My opinion, trump needs to go sit in a dark closet and forget how to open the door.
I would love to see Rand Paul or another Libertarian get the nomination, but sadly we only seem to recognize two parties in this country and any others have to run under a major parties umbrella usually leading to those sub-parties being completely over looked and in the background to the major party players.
Look at everything Paul stands for, strengthening the Constitution AS WRITTEN (bye bye hopes for another AWB), rebuilding our economy, strengthening American Manufacturing, simplifying the tax code, balancing the budget and getting us out of debt, strengthening our military and the list goes on.
I honestly think that it's high time that we stop voting based on lies of "strengthening women's and LGBT rights" because we all know they are only saying it for your vote, but instead start voting for who is going to cut spending and turn that debt clock into reverse.
"I don't want my guns or my marriage registered in Washington" and neither do I.
Paul has his moments, but the frank truth is that American debt is beyond control. Existing sovereign debt is probably impossible to actually pay at this point, never mind the "unfunded liabilities" (love that term) associated primarily with entitlement spending. The military can't be strengthened at any affordable cost, as a defense expenditure death spiral is claiming ship acquisition, aircraft acquisition, and whatever we eventually replace the Abrams, Bradley, and Amtraks with, and we'll probably never even have the shipyards to go broke building CVNs, even if we could figure out how to pay for them and their crews. Never mind the effect of deployments all over the globe on hardware and troop morale, and that's assuming the JSF and LCS are even half as good as advertised, which is a fair question.
That's not to say that efforts to tame the debt and keep the military as strong as possible are a bad thing, nor that simplifying the tax code is a bad idea. Still, Paul has talked about a commission to study a commodity-based currency which is terrifyingly close to his father's stance of going back on the gold standard. On that alone, I'd vote for Trump if they were my only two choices.
Considering this topic is still flirting with Bashing of Trump and that it has strayed a bit far from the purpose of this site which is a support site and not a political debate of what other things we want the president to do. Thread locked.