I hear this over and over again: "do you want to see how I changed since I started taking the hormones?" or "hormones did amazing things to me and turned me into a woman, now I cry more, I get emotional when I watch a movie". All I see is exactly the same person in the before and after pictures.
I am not going to say that hormones did nothing for me. In fact, they DID change my body, but, for the worst and not to make me more passable. Before hormones, I had a manly body and face, after hormones, I have a manly body and face PLUS translucent skin, veins, easy bruising, flabbiness, sagginess, less collagen, depression, I can't concentrate as I used to. I know I know that several people will claim that hormones worked magic for them, but I do not believe it is just a placebo effect.
No hope is much better than false hopes. I see all these people transitioning and thinking that hormones will change their bone structures or that they will turn them into women...
Quote from: transitionregrets on September 14, 2015, 04:18:58 PM
No hope is much better than false hopes. I see all these people transitioning and thinking that hormones will change their bone structures or that they will turn them into women...
If you think hormones will "turn you into a woman", you got the wrong idea from the start. Transition is not about trying to change into something else; we are trying to align our bodies with how we identify already. Getting onto HRT was the beginning of getting me away from the poisonous effects testosterone had on me. I did not change who I am; I AM a woman.
did you read my message? Please re-read my message
Listen, the main theme in near every discussion about hormones is YMMV greatly depending on body structure, genetics, and age. You may be quite unhappy with your results but it doesn't mean other people haven't actually had highly feminizing results
Quote from: 23 Skidoo on September 14, 2015, 04:41:35 PM
Listen, the main theme in near every discussion about hormones is YMMV greatly depending on body structure, genetics, and age. You may be quite unhappy with your results but it doesn't mean other people haven't actually had highly feminizing results
Listen, I am not here to judge other people's results. If they are happy, I am happy, but, from a strictly scientific point of you, what HRT does to MtF transsexuals is minor, at best. The placebo effect plays an important role. I
Quote from: transitionregrets on September 14, 2015, 04:45:48 PM
Listen, I am not here to judge other people's results. If they are happy, I am happy, but, from a strictly scientific point of you, what HRT does to MtF transsexuals is minor, at best. The placebo effect plays an important role. I
Hi TR,
I'm sorry it hasn't gone well for you. As said before mileage may vary with hormones. But I think you're wrong when you dismiss all the results of hormones. It's quite obvious that many have had dramatic effects by taking hormones.
Take care,
Paige :)
There are a few effects on hormones.
And a combination of estro with bioidentical progesterone might be of advantage.
-there are psychological effects. People may experience relief and a feeling that its the right thing.
If using oral/sublingual application, a spreading of the daily dose through a few smaller doses instead of two bigger ones might be of advantage to avoid spikes and lows which might have an effect on mood.
-there are effects on the body which depend on receptors, etc.
For example quite a few people have reported a shrinking in height of 1-2 in and in shoe size of 1-2 sizes. The tissue between bones might be affected.
But reactions are individual. And it might take years.
-Concerning ffs, a few things might be done to help a bit... bangs to cover the forehead and brow area...
having the brows trimmed...
there is a vid called "Plastic Surgery With MakeUp Fuller, Bigger Lips", its possible to do this with two lipsticks in unobtrusive colours.
A few minutes and its done... I'd recommend organic, two lipstick and a pencil.
I doubt it.... when I was on spiro back when I was 17-18 for like a yr.. (purpose was to stop any height/bone change if any), I was told by people I look pretty, men told me my body felt like a womans body (little hair/soft skin)
Now i been off it for a good 4 yrs... but i believe if i go back on it... plus estrogen I would pass visually. With a years time though...
Voice needs surgery (sorry if people are against it.. but im going to one day do it), and my face, and my hips (breast not that important in my genetics, because i got a little from spiro).
This year... going on hormones!!!!
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kin[edit]
The uppermost layer of skin, the stratum corneum, becomes thinner and therefore more translucent and pinkish (spider veins may appear or be more noticeable), less collagen, more susceptible to tearing and irritation from scratching or shaving, increased tactile sensation, and slightly lighter in color due to a slight decrease in melanin (pigment).
Skin becomes softer.[54]
Sebaceous gland activity (which is triggered by androgens) lessens which lowers the amount of sebum (oil) production on the skin and scalp, consequently the skin becomes less prone to the formation of acne due to the less quantity of oil that is produced. Dry skin becomes a problem and lotions and oils may be necessary.[48][49]
The skin's pores become smaller due to the low quantities of sebum produced
Body odor (skin, sweat, and urine) will become less "metallic," "sharp," or "acrid" and more "sweet" and "musky."
Many apocrine glands (type of sweat glands) become inactive and body odor decreases. Sebum also contributes to body odor, the production of which is reduced by antiandrogens (as described above).
More subcutaneous fat tissue accumulates.[48] This gives a more puffy/softer appearance. Consequently dimpling, or cellulite, will be more apparent on the thighs and buttocks due to this along with the thinness of the skin.
Susceptibility to sunburn increases possibly due to the thinner skin and/or less skin pigment.
Because of the increase in adipose tissue in the hips, thighs, and rear, stretch marks (striae distensae) may appear on the skin in these areas.
that's because you are talking about hormones before puberty. Of course if you take them before puberty, you will see a change. In fact, if you take them before puberty, you might well likely not need any ffs, however, I am talking about men grown up men who take hormones when all the facial bones have developed as long as the rib cage, shoulders, hands, feet, and they expect that softer skin and no hair will make them appear like women. Well, no. Hormones are icing on the cake, at best. If you have a grossly masculine bone structure, even if you are short, doesn't matter, if you have a man's face, no amount of hormones will help ya. Sorry folks
Quote from: Wild Flower on September 14, 2015, 04:59:10 PM
I doubt it.... when I was on spiro back when I was 17-18 for like a yr.. (purpose was to stop any height/bone change if any), I was told by people I look pretty, men told me my body felt like a womans body (little hair/soft skin)
Now i been off it for a good 4 yrs... but i believe if i go back on it... plus estrogen I would pass visually. With a years time though...
Voice needs surgery (sorry if people are against it.. but im going to one day do it), and my face, and my hips (breast not that important in my genetics, because i got a little from spiro).
This year... going on hormones!!!!
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Hormones are not "magical pills", nor will they "turn you into a woman".
I was always female, but my body mostly made the wrong set of hormones that my brain found highly unpleasant. Once that was corrected, I felt 100% better. For me, an orchiectomy and HRT was the difference between happiness and despair.
all changes are individual
1–3 months after starting estrogen
• softening of skin
• decrease in muscle mass and increase in body fat
• possible redistribution of body fat to a more "feminine" pattern
• fewer instances of waking up with an erection or spontaneously
having an erection;
Gradual changes
• nipple and breast growth
• slower growth of facial and body hair
• slowed or stopped "male"-pattern balding
• decrease in testicular size
Well I am little over 5'6, but really I think I was destine for 5'8-5'9.
Hm.. i had an early puberty. 13-14. I dont know, what I would really look like if I never done that... but I think I would look the similar.
At 17-18, most guys are developed. I know my voice is a man voice... and I know I need FFS, but I had enough people tell me I look like a girl at certain angles even now (my eyes especially). My body is like a woman body (structure wise)...
my feet, my forehead, my nose, and my voice are not feminine.
Itll cost me at least 40k to pass.
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Regardless I was 5 yrs too late. T did a number on me.
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I know what you mean about the skin changing. It was a shock to the system years ago when I went to scratch myself and ended up with huge red marks on my belly. As for the facial structure, I used to be really thin and when I started putting weight on, a lot went to my face. It really softened my face. Maybe putting some weight on might help you out.....
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