Hillary Clinton Agrees Transphobic Violence Is a 'National Crisis'
http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/10/hillary-clinton-agrees-transphobic-violence-national-crisis
The Advocate/By Advocate.com Editors October 10 2015 1:49 PM EDT
"Following up on her sweeping speech to Human Rights Campaign volunteers last weekend, Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton acknowledged Friday that the unabated murders of transgender women constitutes a "national crisis," reports BuzzFeed News. "
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QuoteHillary Clinton acknowledged ... that the unabated murders of transgender women constitutes a "national crisis"
I am sorry, but to me this sounds like a PC way of saying "tough luck, deal with it"
It is too bad she did not make the statements more publicity but I guess this is a very polarizing issue for many people. Her last remarks about how "transwomen" are treated by law enforcement seem to be the only specifically identified issue she singled out. Perhaps the new doc rules for prisoners in CA have made some national impact.
Quote from: Girl Beyond Doubt on October 11, 2015, 05:54:18 AM
I am sorry, but to me this sounds like a PC way of saying "tough luck, deal with it"
Would you prefer icy silence (which is what we got from just about every other presidential or governmental administration until a year or two ago)?
I will gladly take Mrs Clinton's sympathy, it is really heart warming.
Every little bit helps, of course, but I have learned not to expect too much.
The future POTUS will have to work within the usual constraints.
The changes to society that would be required to stop the murders would make touching the Second Amendment look like a picnic.
A president has only two real powers to affect society. They can veto bills and they can provide an example. Hillary simply stating that she's sympathetic to us is taking a stand. I think it's honorable that she didn't promise to fix it if elected. Too many people are involved for that to be anything but a "pie crust promise". I do hope she pushes the issue if elected.
Question is, if she or any of the other candidates push this issue, what can they do they prevent it? What can be done to stop this violence beyond them saying "don't do it!"? Most of these crimes are committed by either being in an unsafe area where any lgbt could be attacked, or us not being strait with a partner about our past, only to find out they have flaws too. Most cases seem to end up with these 2 scenarios unless I'm not hearing it correctly?
I'd like to hear input on what I've brought up if true or not. It's like the gun issue unfortunately. Nobody will decide, like in the first case I brought up, if we shouldn't be in that area, or if the people in that area should be trained better? I know you will say we have a right to go into an unsafe area, but I wouldn't go there on the premise of "you can't fix stupid!" As for the partner issue, we shouldn't have to divulge our past, yet temporary insanity is something that may only go away after a few generations of people learning through school or other ways of social contact we are good members of society.. I just don't think I'd like to be the first one who found the crazy person with issues about me! Yea, they may get help, but at what cost to me or you?
So, this issue should always be addressed, but it is still up to us to protect ourselves and be honest when it is necessary.. your life will always depend on it, just don't expect others to change.. These discussions may lower the tragic statistics, but there will always be those who didn't get the memo that we are not to be harmed:(
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Any area can be an unsafe area. All it requires is that unsafe people be there. I would feel unsafe in my home town, in half the neighborhoods I've lived in, in Times Square. With all the drunks there for the Food and Wine Expo, I felt a little unsafe at Epcot yesterday. Saying "you should stay out of unsafe areas" is victim blaming. During much of European history Jews were unsafe outside the Ghetto. People with issues, people with criminal intent, people with "moral" objections to our existence feel no obligation to stay away from us and less obligation to respect our safe spaces, not that transgender people actually have any.
You can't stay safe by hiding for very long. You can get some safety from strength and developing allies, but ultimately no one is completely safe.
"Those who give up essential liberties to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin (paraphrased and out of context)
Yes I say unsafe, would you walk into a real western bar in El paso texas or a biker bar in waco? Or some of these girls were in areas that are known for drug sales and gun violence with gangs. As a 6' 250# muscular white guy I was a decade ago, I would not go there then. It's not victim blaming, but more common sense? I used to goto Juarez mexico, but not now.. not because of being trans, but because of the fact I'm ex military and there is alot of gun violence with alot of innocent murdered by stray bullets.. is that victim blaming? I would think more common sense?
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Quote from: Cynobyte on October 11, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
So, this issue should always be addressed, but it is still up to us to protect ourselves and be honest when it is necessary.. your life will always depend on it, just don't expect others to change..
Actually, I *do* expect people to be respectful of the right of all identities to live. The problem is that there are cultures and mindsets that certain people are "fair game" and we are among them.
I agree with Dee - there is no simple solution, but the voices of succession of leaders telling us that violence against trans people is not OK is a start. I'm glad Ms. Clinton has been willing to be one of them.
Honestly though, I fear her answer may be some nonsense like gun control rather than any real solutions. I know of at least two trans murders where it was confirmed they were killed with illegal guns which were already possessed by prohibited persons. Gun control isn't going to help.
Also, it's really easy for any candidate to talk the talk, but only Bernie Sanders has really been consistent on LGBT rights. I might support him but I cannot vote in the Democratic primary.
So what is she going to do? I don't think that she as POTUS can do a whole lot. It has to come down to local law enforcement, and local mayors, courts, prosecutors and judges. Unfortunately it seems as though many are pro crime, going easy on violent offenders who commit heinous crimes and are out in 18 months.