This is kind of a pole question involving bone size. I am very am small boned. My frame size is that of a small boned female. (Elbow breadth is only 2 1\4). My wrist breadth is only 1 7\8. (not wrist diameter) From what I have seen, it seems like there are a handful of us that are very small boned as I am.
If you would like to know how to know how to do the measurement, here is a link http://www.myfooddiary.com/Resources/frame_size_calculator.asp (http://www.myfooddiary.com/Resources/frame_size_calculator.asp). If you have access to a caliper, it would be more accurate.
If you don't mind, please also include you height as well please.
Also include if you are a "DES diethylstilbestrol son". DES was prescribed to women between 1938 to 1971, to help prevent miscarriage and premature birth. What it actually did was cause a lot of problems for the baby like possible intersex issue and other things. Here is a link for that as well, for more info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylstilbestrol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylstilbestrol)
I just have a hunch that a lot of us that were DES "sons" are small boned due to incomplete male fetal development.
Thank you. :)
I am a DES son and my frame is average. My mother told me she was given DES.
Height 5'11"
Wrist 2 1/4
Elbow 2 3/4
I think also that my bones are very dense, although that's never been confirmed by a Dr.
The reason is that I always weigh more than what people say I look like. Plus my bones and joints are still perfectly healthy after 56 years unlike the vast majority of people my age, particularly those in my profession. That probably is unrelated to DES though.
Other than being TS I seemed to have turned out physically mostly normal. Nobody has ever looked inside though.
height 5'9-5'10
wrist: 6"
Elbow Breadth: 2"
I'm pretty thin and small framed despite my height. I wasn't exposed to des either (was born way later) and didn't start hrt till my early 20s, my body just never really masculinzed. Apart from growing facial hair, my bone structure didn't change and was more on the female side when prehrt. I struggled keeping up with boys in physical activities and would usually be put with the girls. When I started hrt, my hips exploded with growth within the first few months. I highly suspect I have some latent intersex condition.
Wow! And I thought I was small boned. Lol
I know what you mean about not being able to keep up with the other boys as a kid. It was horrible. In 10th grade we had a choice of boys wrestling or girls gymnastic. The though of wrestling way grossed me out and I was more interested in doing girls gymnastic. So that's what I did. It was actually quite fun. :) If I tried to do any of that stuff now, it would probably kill me. Lol
5'11
16cm (6.2") wrist
2" elbow
Not DES... born in late 80s. Short and not really masculinizing puberty... I was developing typically feminine until age 12, breast tissue and everything. From 12 to 14 some effects of testosterone... Didnt physically develop after 14, other that pelvis broadening, which was slowly happening until 20-22. I have pretty much average female bone structure and proportions for my height. During early-mid 20s, I was tested for ->-bleeped-<-load of intersex conditions, and they wouldnt allow me to start HRT until there was a conclusion. Which was inconclusive in the end (should have done tests 10 years earlier), and I was able to start with hormones.
I've got thin wrists too, a much lighter bone structure than my brother or father, a female leg to trunk ratio and my bodily proportions in general are a lot closer to those of the female members of my family than the male ones. I've never been very physically strong either, and in my early 40s became quite unwell with the symptoms of acute hypogonadism. Visually I look a lot like someone with Klinefelter's syndrome, however in my case it's definitely secondary hypogonadism, which rules out Klinefelters. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing for sure what happened during my prenatal development, but the symptoms I have don't match any conventional cause of intersex and are very similar to what DES babies often seem to experience.
Although the FDA withdrew their approval for DES as a miscarriage preventative in 1971, doctors continued using it off label for years after that, and the FDA guidance didn't even apply outside the US. I've chatted to some of the DES daughters about it, and there were people who were still being exposed to DES throughout the 1970s. Most places appear to have stopped using it by about 1980, so you're unlikely to have been exposed to it if you were born after then.
The other point I've been trying to make is that progestins probably have quite similar effects on male development to DES (since they too are highly effective at suppressing testosterone production in adult men), and could well be equally capable of inducing MTF transsexuality. I think the only reason we don't see genital abnormalities with progestin-based miscarriage treatment, is because the treatment generally doesn't commence until at least 16 weeks after conception, which is well past the point where genital development has finished. You still get heavy exposure during the critical period for sex differences in the brain though.
HughE thank you so much for all your insight you've given. Idk if I've thanked you before but reading through your posts has given me some relief as to what might have happened in my case. I was a pretty complicated pregnancy and there was a very odd situation that happened at one point. I guess until I get tested properly, this will always be in the back of my mind. Oh curiosity 8)
I was born in 1962. My mum had lost a baby before me. She was also 39 when pregnant with me. She also lived in a bigger city Colorado Springs CO. She was a prime candidate for the use of DES
To me it stands to reason that if carry angle and high digit ratio can be a result of DES exposure, then I would think a female bone size would be as well.
I imagine that there can be many variables form exposure to DES.