Trans Woman Lives Her Life as a Six Year Old Girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbiAHnjHlHg
Published on Nov 25, 2015 (xtraonline)
After 23 years of marriage and 7 kids, Stefonknee Wolscht realized she was a transgender woman. But the rejection from her family and friends left her feeling alone and suicidal.
Please say I'm not the only one who finds that a little bit (a lot!) weird?!? :o
I mean, perhaps it's just me, but the whole elderly adult pretending to be a child thing is bordering on too strange for comfort.... There's all sorts of avenues that could lead down and none of them are good...
For me the whole attraction of transition is that it offers the chance of a normal adult life. I couldn't have done that as the other - I wasn't capable of being a boyfriend or a father or even progressing my career as a male. I think that's partially down to not being able to mature emotionally as male - I couldn't really be a man because I didn't know how. With that I ended up dressing like a teenager and acting ten years younger than my actual age. I suppose not really looking the part didn't help either ;)
Whereas being a woman in her late twenties feels entirely natural; I'm loving adulthood and maturity these days :)
But wanting to be a child? No thanks, not something I'd want.
They welcome stories that show what a bunch of dangerous lunatics we are.
Call 911.
TRIGGER WARNING
I think there is a deep longing in all MTFs who transition later in life. It is something that longs for and wants the girlhood that we feel was stolen from us by society.
I have little shreds of that that I was allowed to actually live; for example I played concert flute from age ten to eighteen or so, and I wore my hair long my last two years of high school.
But my favorite prayer now goes like this: "Please God, let me transition and be a teenage girl for three years or so. I promise I'll grow up after that and be a mature adult woman for the rest of my life."
I am 52, and I want to be a girl somewhere between 15 and 21 years old. I want to while away a lot of time going to concerts, beaches, road trips, singing, dancing, expressing all the emotion I was forced to bottle up when I was a teenager because of all the bullying. :'(
That just makes us all look crazy. She obviously has mental health issues.
She is weird
Is this person actually hurting anyone? (I haven't seen the video, as I can only see videos at work.)
If not, can we please not dump on people because they are living their lives in ways that we don't like?
I mean, basically every negative comment on this thread could be (and probably has been) made about trans people, esp. trans women.
This is quite an unhealthy way of living, no matter how much you wish you'd had a different childhood, as humans need to develop and mature into adulthood eventually. However there is a chance that she has mental health issues which are causing her desire for living like a child, and so this should be taken with a pinch of salt; we shouldn't be so quick to judge when we ourselves are often judged.
I do agree that the attraction of this story to the media is "they're a bunch of freaks" and that this could be used to imply that lots of trans people are like this, when obviously we aren't. Perhaps the reporter should've made some clarification that living as a child is almost unheard of?
Quote from: Asche on December 09, 2015, 07:51:00 PM
I mean, basically every negative comment on this thread could be (and probably has been) made about trans people, esp. trans women.
This is very true
Quote from: heholetsgo on December 09, 2015, 07:53:34 PM
Perhaps the reporter should've made some clarification that living as a child is almost unheard of?
Not unheard of.
"Adult little girl" is definitely a thing, though mostly part-time for practical reasons. There are camps where adults (mostly AMAB) go to live out their fantasy of being a little girl. There are a number of on-line vendors who supply clothing, furniture, etc. to this community. However, "adult little girls" keep a very low profile, precisely because of the attitudes expressed in this thread.
Again, if they aren't hurting anyone, why not at least refrain from criticizing them?
Quote from: Asche on December 09, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
Not unheard of.
"Adult little girl" is definitely a thing, though mostly part-time for practical reasons. There are camps where adults (mostly AMAB) go to live out their fantasy of being a little girl. There are a number of on-line vendors who supply clothing, furniture, etc. to this community. However, "adult little girls" keep a very low profile, precisely because of the attitudes expressed in this thread.
Again, if they aren't hurting anyone, why not at least refrain from criticizing them?
I'm not criticizing her, and I disagree with the idea that what she's doing is wrong. I don't think it hurts anyone else, but I do think that it could hurt her psychologically to live as a child. I'm not an expert and so I can't say she should or shouldn't stop, but seeking therapy may help her to work out whether it is something she needs to do, or an emotional issue with which she is struggling
Quote from: Asche on December 09, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
Not unheard of.
"Adult little girl" is definitely a thing, though mostly part-time for practical reasons. There are camps where adults (mostly AMAB) go to live out their fantasy of being a little girl. There are a number of on-line vendors who supply clothing, furniture, etc. to this community. However, "adult little girls" keep a very low profile, precisely because of the attitudes expressed in this thread.
The truth, as I see it, is that we live in a VERY unfair social system where AMAB people have their childhoods ripped from them before they're ready to have it taken from them. Because so often in this culture as SOON as you get testosterone in you, especially if you're a taller and larger-built person, people immediately start treating you like an adult. You can't be cute and innocent anymore, you can't have fun like a kid anymore because people immediately attribute that "male suspicion" onto you where you're seen as creepy if you do, and it often leaves a gaping hole in people, especially people on the trans-feminine spectrum who had to watch all of their female friends still doing the cute innocent things that they wish they were socially "allowed" to do.
Transition can also make you grieve for all of the years that you've lost, all the time that you wasted being someone you weren't, and you grieve for what your life could have been like if you'd been the proper gender all along.
What I'm saying is, while I do not think WHATSOEVER that this behavior is healthy or normal or should be acceptable, I understand where it comes from. And I feel like I can't blame the person who does it so much as I'm mad at the society which has psychologically damaged so many AMAB people to the point where they feel like they need to regress and live out a childhood again because society didn't let them live it in the first place... and that they really have such a hole in their hearts for cute childish innocent things that they need to do this in order to fill that hole. It's tragic.
(And with any luck, this is going to become a LOT less common as the years roll on since AMAB kids are getting a LOT more social freedom to be themselves recently, and thus hopefully don't have that same "lost years of my life" feeling.)
Ok just watched this video and i do agree with most here, this is a very strange person. I cant believe that she willingly rejects her past. Her children.. I could never do that.. And reliving her life now as a child. I just dont understand that... If she is happy then that is great but i do feel that storys like this reflect badly on the rest of us.. They dont mention the transition process at all, just her state of mind... Not good in the long run i think...
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This lady's experiences may be unusual, but from what I could see she's simply trying to re-enact her lost childhood whilst she still has a chance to do so. I don't blame her in the slightest: almost everyone here was robbed of the happy childhood we should've had. I didn't see anything in the video that suggested that this might be sexual in nature... but even if it was, as long as everything is happening between consenting adults, so what?
I certainly wouldn't want to live my life the way she's doing, but nevertheless I refuse to judge her or disparage her for the decisions she's made & the way she's living her life. As long as she isn't actually hurting anyone else, it's probably quite healthy for her to get this phase out of her system & enjoy a virtual girlhood for a couple of years so she can heal those wounds and move forward. As long as she does move forward; if she remains stuck in this state for too long it could start to become unhealthy.
I don't know how many of you noticed, but she was wearing ordinary, adult clothing whilst out in public... and she only wore her childish stuff in the privacy of her own home or whilst being interviewed - probably for the purposes of the interview. This suggests that she has healthy boundaries between her everyday adult life, and what she does in private.
The only thing I feel after having watched that video is compassion. She's been hurt in the past (and present) by the people who should've loved and validated her, and she's just trying to heal those wounds. My heart goes out to her.
Whilst I'm here... might I remind everyone of ToS #10, which we all signed up to?
Neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, whatever the media may chose to do with it.
Quote from: Carrie Liz on December 09, 2015, 09:26:32 PM
The truth, as I see it, is that we live in a VERY unfair social system where AMAB people have their childhoods ripped from them before they're ready to have it taken from them. Because so often in this culture as SOON as you get testosterone in you, especially if you're a taller and larger-built person, people immediately start treating you like an adult. You can't be cute and innocent anymore, you can't have fun like a kid anymore because people immediately attribute that "male suspicion" onto you where you're seen as creepy if you do, and it often leaves a gaping hole in people, especially people on the trans-feminine spectrum who had to watch all of their female friends still doing the cute innocent things that they wish they were socially "allowed" to do.
Transition can also make you grieve for all of the years that you've lost, all the time that you wasted being someone you weren't, and you grieve for what your life could have been like if you'd been the proper gender all along.
What I'm saying is, while I do not think WHATSOEVER that this behavior is healthy or normal or should be acceptable, I understand where it comes from. And I feel like I can't blame the person who does it so much as I'm mad at the society which has psychologically damaged so many AMAB people to the point where they feel like they need to regress and live out a childhood again because society didn't let them live it in the first place... and that they really have such a hole in their hearts for cute childish innocent things that they need to do this in order to fill that hole. It's tragic.
(And with any luck, this is going to become a LOT less common as the years roll on since AMAB kids are getting a LOT more social freedom to be themselves recently, and thus hopefully don't have that same "lost years of my life" feeling.)
I think you absolutely get it.
One of my biggest triggers for dysphoria was the fact that I went to a boys only school and I had to wear a boys uniform. I really can't go back and change that now. But I wish I could have. I used to dress up in other people's uniforms when I was that age. But I won't do it now.
I really really wish I had a girl's childhood. Menarche (an impossibility right now for trans women, I know), puberty, socialization etc. etc.
I don't have any problem with what people do in their own homes, nor mostly what they do in public. I have had some experience with adult child roleplaying and have seen situations where an adult child interacts with third parties, which is where I feel like a nonconsensual boundary may be crossed. We have different obligations in how we treat adults versus how we treat children, and in presenting as a minor an adult child creates some ambiguity in what constitutes appropriate behaviour.
I also have some concerns regarding interactions between actual children and adult children, especially unsupervised, and expect that a lot of people might react intensely to their children being with an adult child. I'll have to think about whether my feelings are based on reasonable concerns or irrational fears.
There are some tricky aspects in expecting the world to treat an adult as a minor child. The person in question is not giving up their rights as an adult, so if we were to come across this child unsupervised, wouldn't we be obligated to turn them over to CPS or the police? If the answer is no, then I don't think we truly have an obligation to acknowledge them as children. While we may wish to do so, as a kindness, I don't think it's demanded of us.
That being said, I wish her well and celebrate hew new found happiness.
Just want to add...mental illness of any sort should not be addressed as "being weird", and people who have it should not be shunned. That social isolation is bad in itself, as many of us know.
What she does in her life doesn't mean we all do that, and for the public to think that is painting with a broad brush...we can call them on that, if need be.
Quote from: CarlyMcx on December 09, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
TRIGGER WARNING
I think there is a deep longing in all MTFs who transition later in life. It is something that longs for and wants the girlhood that we feel was stolen from us by society.
I have little shreds of that that I was allowed to actually live; for example I played concert flute from age ten to eighteen or so, and I wore my hair long my last two years of high school.
But my favorite prayer now goes like this: "Please God, let me transition and be a teenage girl for three years or so. I promise I'll grow up after that and be a mature adult woman for the rest of my life."
I am 52, and I want to be a girl somewhere between 15 and 21 years old. I want to while away a lot of time going to concerts, beaches, road trips, singing, dancing, expressing all the emotion I was forced to bottle up when I was a teenager because of all the bullying. :'(
I played the concert flute in high school:) the only guy! That called me "gay flute player" until I took third chair:) I'm 20y.o. And people say I act more 16-17-ish:)
Quote from: Asche on December 09, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
Not unheard of.
"Adult little girl" is definitely a thing, though mostly part-time for practical reasons. There are camps where adults (mostly AMAB) go to live out their fantasy of being a little girl. There are a number of on-line vendors who supply clothing, furniture, etc. to this community. However, "adult little girls" keep a very low profile, precisely because of the attitudes expressed in this thread.
Again, if they aren't hurting anyone, why not at least refrain from criticizing them?
I believe it could create a problem for transgenders being accepted in society, who are already being called perverts and mentally ill just for being transmen and transwomen. I just think it's a bridge too far for most people. Fair or not, right or not, the way this is presented will be fodder for the haters, who can point and say "See, these people are sick!", with "these people" being everyone who is not cisnormative.
God bless her, and I hope she finds her happiness, but it will almost certainly be taken out of context and used in a negative way by mainstream media.
Just my opinion.
Terri
Quote from: Maybebaby56 on December 10, 2015, 05:35:27 PM
I hope she finds her happiness, but it will almost certainly be taken out of context and used in a negative way by mainstream media.
Perhaps. But that doesn't mean that she shouldn't be free to express herself however she wishes, or to enjoy her life however she sees fit. The problem doesn't lie with her - it lies with the media and with the judgemental attitudes of the holier-than-thou brigade.
The way I see it, if somebody else has a problem with you, then somebody else has a problem.