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Is this what HRT will do to my hips or it will stay bugged like that? Is this zone ever filling ? It is directly on bones at this spot. when did it happen for you . Ive ate so much to gain fat but it didnt go exactly where i hoped :( i dunno if i should lose the weight i gained or just relax.
You're 3 months in and you're still expecting overnight changes. Relax. Time. And then there's always this answer: You were born a physiological male and you've developed as one; don't ever expect HRT to change the body type that you have, e.g. pear, hourglass, apple, etc. Work with what you've got.
this didnt really awnser my question. It was a simple question. Is this zone ever filling , Yes or No?
Short answer: no.
There is a small chance but most likely no. In my case never filled, and I'm more than 6 years into HRT. But being skinny enough (my BMI is 18/19) it can't be noticed (at least in my case).
If you google for "hip indentation" you're gonna see that this is a common issue among ciswomen. It happens because fat is stored on the thighs and on the love handles but not just over the pelvic bone. It is pretty common for ciswomen as you can see in Google. In fact, this is area usually filled as part of a Brazilian Butt Lift or Liposculture (you can check in Google or in surgeons websites like Dr Aslani's one).
I always advice against gaining weight as a way of feminization/beautification. And this is plain common sense: if just by eating a lot (and maybe taking more E) were feasible to get marilyns, scarletts, beyonce's or kim's curves... then well, every woman on earth would have that perfect hourglass figure right now.
Just a random quote from dailymail fem section:
QuoteSimilarly, 30 per cent of young women had an hourglass shape
Putting weight on love handles and waist is a very common issue for most ciswomen (60% put weight on these places). For transgirls who transition after finishing bone development... if you add to the equation a pelvic bone narrower than the average for cisgirls then the result looks pretty obvious.
Also you should keep in mind that fat "re distribution" happens when fat cells die (they live for 8 months) so they can be generated in other places. I think Lagertha explained the process nicely in a recent post. Putting weight right after starting HRT is folly. If you're lucky, you're gonna get belly fat that would slowly reposition into more feminine areas. If you're not lucky, you're gonna need to lose the extra weight (and this can be difficult on HRT). Best option is to wait until the 1 year mark (on HRT) and then gain weight slowly to see where it goes.
Hope it helped!
Thank you I guess ill Just end by getting implants all over my body . I should definitivly start smoking weed or drinking it start to get to frustrating to know what wont happen due to my ugly men body
Does It really get better ? :(
Among women our age, I'd say you're a 7 or an 8. After 3 months. Don't complain too loud or ciswomen are gonna get jealous, not to mention all the transfemme folk who are actually reading this. ;)
I smoked weed for years and years, and it never feminized my body. Don't think drinking will do that for you either, but I haven't tried!
Hi Wednesday,
I disagree with what you said about gaining weight does not help with feminization. It does to a degree and it also depends on how the body reacts to fat getting re-distributed. I have gained 10 lbs ever since starting HRT and I think it helped to soften my features a bit more. It also improved the cap size of my breast from A to B. It's a case to case basis, some trans women look good with a bit of weight and some don't.
Quote from: Wednesday on January 18, 2016, 08:42:17 PM
Short answer: no.
There is a small chance but most likely no. In my case never filled, and I'm more than 6 years into HRT. But being skinny enough (my BMI is 18/19) it can't be noticed (at least in my case).
If you google for "hip indentation" you're gonna see that is a common issue among ciswomen. It happens because fat is stored on the thighs and on the love handles but not just over the pelvic bone. It is common for ciswomen as you can see in Google. In fact, this is a zone commonly filled as part of a Brazilian Butt Lift or Liposculture (you can check in Google or in surgeons websites like Dr Aslani's site).
I always advice against gaining weight as a way of feminization/beautification. And this is plain common sense: if just by eating a lot (and maybe taking more E) were feasible to get marilyns, scarletts, beyonce's or kim's curves... then well, every women on earth would have that perfect hourglass figure right now.
Just a random quote from dailymail fem section:
Putting weight on love handles and waist is a very common issue for most women (60% of them gain weight here). For transgirls who transition after completing bone development... if you add to the equation a narrower pelvic bone than the average cisgirl then the result looks pretty obvious.
Also you should keep in mind that fat "re distribution" happens when fat cells die (they live for 8 months) so they can be generated in other places. I think Lagertha explained the process nicely in a recent post. Putting weight right after starting HRT is folly. If you're lucky, you're gonna get belly fat that would slowly reposition into more feminine areas. If you're not lucky, you're gonna need to lose the extra weight (and this can be difficult on HRT). Best option is to wait until the 1 year mark (on HRT) and then gain weight slowly to see where it goes.
Hope it helped!
Quote from: archlord on January 18, 2016, 07:49:02 PM
this didnt really awnser my question. It was a simple question. Is this zone ever filling , Yes or No?
YMMV
There is no "Simple Answer" when you are dealing with genetics, biology, dna mutations, etc..
After 2 years on HRT and T-Blockers you'll have a trend line, if not an answer
Quote from: April_TO on January 18, 2016, 09:12:01 PM
Hi Wednesday,
I disagree with what you said about gaining weight does not help with feminization. It does to a degree and it also depends on how the body reacts to fat getting re-distributed. I have gained 10 lbs ever since starting HRT and I think it helped to soften my features a bit more. It also improved the cap size of my breast from A to B. It's a case to case basis, some trans women look good with a bit of weight and some don't.
You got a point and I'm conscious about it. But this is a numbers game, lemme explain.
I know in some cases a certain degree of subcutaneous fat comes in handy to soften rough edges (mostly facial issues) and to disguise things like toned muscles and prominent veins. True that. But there are two important nuances here. First one is this effect is not just due to a thin layer of fat, it's also due to better skin quality, liquid retention and proper skin moisturizing/manteinance. Second is this doesn't always work nicely because it may come at the price of unbalacing some other facial features (an example: if you have masculine hollow cheeks and you fill them by gaining weight then usually the entire jaw is going to fill too, this is gonna give more volume, both in height and width, to the entire jaw and the final result may look more masculine than before due to its increased size). Also it is worth noting this ideal softening happens with small weight increasings; if not, you're likely gonna deal with more undesired effects from the weight.
Given that... when advicing somebody to gain weight I have to assume: just 1/3 chances of future hourglass shape fat pattern, justifiable need of facial softening (there are features that can't be noticeably softened just by gaining weight), proper initial features that won't end messed up due to the weight gain itself and previous failure of good cosmetic/health/diet habits related to the skin.
And, on top of all this, having to balance if its worth the annoyance of losing the weight in case of failure.
This is why I advice against gaining weight. I know I put it in a too much categorical way. I have to admit it can work, but the chances are small once you assume all the conditions, so for me it is more of a "last resort" thing and not a common advice.
okay i understand better. Thanks for clarifications.
Looks like i am stuck with ugly male hips for my entire life. I am adding fat transfer/ implants to the huge list of surgery named : i am born a male .
a new thing to be dysphoric on.. woot
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okay i understand better. Thanks for clarifications.
Looks like i am stuck with ugly male hips for my entire life. I am adding fat transfer/ implants to the huge list of surgery named : i am born a male .
a new thing to be dysphoric on.. woot
now you've done it, you made me comment in this part of Susans.
i don't think your hips look male. i know several cisgender girls with similar hips.
My boss, a cis woman, has no hips and no butt. Her pants fall down. My shape is better and I need a lot more work. I'm not too worried
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I'm not sure what to say about the rest of this topic, but I love your arm tattoos!
It may fill in or it may not. It depends on you and how you react to hrt. There are no set in stone guarantees.
Tbh I don't see anything wrong wit ur hips. If u could make ur waist smaller it would give the look u want but that depends on where u gain fat. If u gain it in ur stomach then lipo will be ur only solution.
Honestly your problem is expectations and patience not your appearance. 3 months and you want full female development. Not even God is that good.
Quote from: Dee Marshall on January 19, 2016, 10:29:03 AM
My boss, a cis woman, has no hips and no butt. Her pants fall down. My shape is better and I need a lot more work. I'm not too worried
One of my aunts is like that too. She has to buy men's jeans since the jeans that she tries in the women's department doesn't fit her properly.
Most AFAB people have less fat in that spot. The idea that it smoothly transitions from belly to butt is mostly born of movie stars and magazine shoots. I am pre-T, very standardly built, and I have a distinct dip there, as do the vast majority of my cis female friends.
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I am adding fat transfer/ implants to the huge list of surgery named
Goals
IMHO, it's a very rare sight to see a trans-girl who didn't transition in their very early teens develop model-esque proportions around their hips/stomach/ribs without surgery. Like this:
Show me a trans-girl in their 20's with a body like that and I'd be hard pressed to not call horsesh*t or to not chalk it up to a very good doctor. :eusa_liar:
A lot of us will simply have to be content with a figure like this at best (hell, a lot of ts will
never see a figure like this):
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...which is perfectly fine, y'know! Fact is (as Captains just pointed out), a chunk of cis-females are shaped like this too! I'm pretty sure that you'll fill out some more over the coming year in your highlighted area, but perhaps not as much as you would have hoped. Just keep your expectations realistic though, and don't worry too much.
Btw, Elodie, you're doing what I did... packing on weight after a few months of HRT. (I have to humbly disagree with Wednesday) It's smart, I think... I did this accidentally tho (didn't make a plan, I just put on pounds) and after losing the extra weight there I'm
very happy with my shape now.
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Well it's not like 'hip dip' is rare...
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you are right V . HRT wont do that so it looks like it will be my next surgery next year (the time it will take for my body to have its proper shape). then Hip/butt implants + fat transfer ftw.
I know, i know this surgery is not recommended but my life is not recommended either so why should i not take the risk to be happy.
To each their own, Elodie. I TOTALLY understand where you're coming from and whatever you undertake, you're old enough to decide for yourself, knowing the risks as well. I wish only that you come out of it happier, closer to your goal and have the least complications and pain possible. You do what you need to do but be smart about it, do your research. :)
Time heals, if you plan for and can afford another surgery next year, but wind up growing further in the meantime, you've got all your bases covered :)
I'm taking the lose weight first approach, only 2.5 months in, but as time wears on, I'm sure I'll gain some weight too. Will be fun to see how it distributes. (Easier process for me to do, I'm not out yet)
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In my case, this zone HAS changed, from thinner waistline and thicker (wider) under, giving me a more feminine silhouette. I am on injectable estradiol and oral progesterone. I only noticed the change after switching to injections and progesterone.
Quote from: KayXo on January 22, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
In my case, this zone HAS changed, from thinner waistline and thicker (wider) under, giving me a more feminine silhouette. I am on injectable estradiol and oral progesterone. I only noticed the change after switching to injections and progesterone.
carmen carrera was on injections/progesterone and it happened to her too, or she had fat transfer we dont know but still.. i think that injections are more effective then oral but i cant get my hands on it in canada.
like omg.. look at her i want my hip dip filled like that :
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I'm from Canada (Quebec) and I get injections. You CAN get them. :)
Hip implants are not dangerous itselves but they usually move and produce discomfort (as far as I know). Anyway, usually doctors use very small implants (like 100cc or maybe 200cc) and they place them under the tensor fasciae latae, so i think they can't fix the hip indentation.
This is how they look (link is from a spanish plastic surgery center which performs this kind of procedures):
Usually best bet is filling the area with your own fat. I guess Carmen Carrera probably did this procedure since her hips and butt are really large... but she has no trace of fat anywhere else and her breast size is mostly due to implants.
Anyway, as other girls noted, having the perfect natural hourglass figure from the photo V posted is *really uncommon* even for cisgirls. Its not a matter of being born trans or cis, its a matter that girl just hit genetic lottery big time and actually she makes feel jealous most cis girls out there.
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Btw, Elodie, you're doing what I did... packing on weight after a few months of HRT. (I have to humbly disagree with Wednesday) It's smart, I think... I did this accidentally tho (didn't make a plan, I just put on pounds) and after losing the extra weight there I'm very happy with my shape now.
Don't do it humbly! I like to be changelled ;D
Now seriously speaking I know it may work for some people but not for the most (I explained it before). As you said you packed weight unconsciously. That's another reason why advice against
gaining. HRT melts down muscle mass and slows metabolism, so if you mantain your weight pre-HRT you're already gonna trade muscle for fat, so I think there's no need to speed things up :P
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Thank you ! i like this awnser better so there is hope . =)
Ill just be patient and wait to see what HRT will do, hormones is the most random thing ive ever seen so i could be surprised again . i gained 3 inch to my hips in 3 month so i wouldnt be surprised about changes there too.
Then in 1 year if i am not happy i will get the implants + fat transfer
Yup, and usually there's plenty of stuff that can be done.
What people often forget is that even most lucky cisgirls are not naturally born like beauty models. Whenever we see a model we have to keep in mind that behind her image there's a lot of work/investment done. That's why most women complain about how really high beauty standards are.
Patience and no stress are KEY. + an adequate HRT regimen. :)
Archlord I think that you're gorgeous and I hope I transition as well as you three months from now. :-*
:police: Please people, remember TOS 4 which limits the images of the human body that may be shown. A good guideline is swimwear and street clothes are permitted but underwear and nudity are not :police:
Quote from: Waex on January 22, 2016, 02:49:45 PM
Archlord I think that you're gorgeous and I hope I transition as well as you three months from now. :-*
awww :) wishing you the best with your transition
Please don't get implants they can be dangerous, maybe a fat transfer is better, and more natural. I am on injections too now, and they work much better than pills, I didn't know in Canada you couldn't get injection, I don't know if I can get progesterone tho.
Quote from: Melanie ♡ on January 24, 2016, 03:37:40 PM
I didn't know in Canada you couldn't get injection
Wrong. You CAN get them through compounding pharmacies. I live in Canada. :)
Quote from: KayXo on January 24, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
Wrong. You CAN get them through compounding pharmacies. I live in Canada. :)
Well I don't live in Canada, she said that she can't get injections in Canada.
Ive Been explained how I can get It . However you kind have to force your doctor/endo to give you a prescription for It and you cant pick it in local drugstore you have to order online from a canadian website . I Will try to get them at my 6 month appointment
Quote from: archlord on January 25, 2016, 06:14:44 PM
Ive Been explained how I can get It . However you kind have to force your doctor/endo to give you a prescription for It and you cant pick it in local drugstore you have to order online from a canadian website . I Will try to get them at my 6 month appointment
You need a prescription for your other hormones and anti-androgens, no? So it's the same thing. As to ordering, you need your doctor to fax them the prescription and you will get it delivered to your home. Then each month, call them to repeat prescription and it gets delivered within 2 days. That simple! If you absolutely want to go yourself to the pharmacy, there are two that do it in your region but I consider them VERY pricey compared to the one outside your region.