Hi,
I had SRS with Dr. Brassard. I am mostly happy with results, looks good, works great, orgasms galore!, self-lubrication. BUT, he didn't remove all the hair in the vagina and I tried going a second time to him so he could remove it, he tried without any luck. Why this matters to me is because I'd like to just had random sex with a guy one of these days if I go out and happen to feel horny, feel chemistry, I can just have sex without him wondering why the hell I have hair inside my vagina and explaining to him I'm trans, yadi, yada. No hair, no questions. :) So, any ideas on how to get the hair INSIDE to disappear permanently?
Second concern is the scars on each side outside my vagina that you can only see if I shave entirely the region. They are like thin lines that are a shade lighter than the surrounding skin (hypopigmentation). Anything I can do to improve their appearance?
THANKS. For once, I am ASKING the question. LOL
-did you ask a gyn if they can remove it ? Maybe a local and plucking it out ? According to literature another option would be a local and electrolysis .
Over time the neovagina is supposed to turn into a mucosa, with the influence of estrogen.
It might help to use some estrogen cream from time to time. Cream from a gyn, the otc cream has only few estrogen.
Concerning scars you might try a massage a few times a day for a few weeks, with coconut oil.
Another option might be tatooing ... the center from Mcginn for example has a tatoo specialist helping with pigmentation.
Another one might be to simply do nothing ... other people alluded to a womans problem ... if someone ever asked ...
hugs
Quote from: Laura_7 on January 25, 2016, 05:16:38 PM
-did you ask a gyn if they can remove it ? Maybe a local and plucking it out ? According to literature another option would be a local and electrolysis.
I don't have a gynecologist. I doubt any gynecologist will agree to do this! LOL. Can you cite me the literature or provide link? I wonder if the woman who did my electrolysis would agree to do this. We would need to use Emla to anesthetize the region.
QuoteOver time the neovagina is supposed to turn into a mucosa, with the influence of estrogen.
It might help to use some estrogen cream from time to time. Cream from a gyn
I already have quite high levels of estradiol in my blood and estradiol should have a significant effect on the neo-vagina already. I doubt a cream will have that much more effect. Are you suggesting the change to mucosal which it seems it has changed over to during the years, will result in natural loss of hair inside? Because even though my lining seems more mucosal, hairs are still there, to the same degree.
QuoteAnother option might be tatooing ... the center from Mcginn for example has a tatoo specialist helping with pigmentation.
Link please?
QuoteAnother one might be to simply do nothing ... other people alluded to a womans problem ... if someone ever asked ...
A woman's problem? What do you mean? I don't understand. ???
Thanks for your help Laura. :)
Just to let you know, I have contacted Dr. McGinn's center to inquire about both of my concerns.
Thanks again.
You didn't mention when your surgery was but my internal hairs took a couple of years to go away.
Lucky you! My operation was in December 2005, 10 yrs ago.
My doctor recommended to me to use vitamin e oil for scars.
How many months post op are you anyways?
Quote from: KayXo on January 26, 2016, 10:54:30 AM
I don't have a gynecologist. I doubt any gynecologist will agree to do this! LOL. Can you cite me the literature or provide link? I wonder if the woman who did my electrolysis would agree to do this. We would need to use Emla to anesthetize the region.
I don't have the reference at short notice.
There were three possibilities dicussed:
-plucking it out (anaesthesia might be advisable)
-hair removal cream. Some say it did not work as expected.
-electrolysis , also with anaesthesia imo.
Imo plucking it out should not be that much of a procedure .
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I already have quite high levels of estradiol in my blood and estradiol should have a significant effect on the neo-vagina already. I doubt a cream will have that much more effect. Are you suggesting the change to mucosal which it seems it has changed over to during the years, will result in natural loss of hair inside? Because even though my lining seems more mucosal, hairs are still there, to the same degree.
Yes the thought is that there are no hairs on a mucosa. Maybe it at least helps with extracting hair and follicles.
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Link please?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,149304.msg1682002.html#msg1682002
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A woman's problem? What do you mean? I don't understand. ???
Thanks for your help Laura. :)
There were some people asked about the scar.
One transgender woman simply said she had an operation ... a womans problem ...
usually this is not further discussed.
This is a link to a tatoo service:
http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/services/tattoo.php
There are others who offer surgical scar tatooing service.
Some other hints for scars :
http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Rid-of-Scars
hugs
I spoke to someone who does genital electrolysis some time ago, so there are people who do it. Apparently its rather painful too.
Quote from: Butterflylover3 on January 26, 2016, 07:10:54 PM
How many months post op are you anyways?
I am 10+ yrs post-op! I used polysporin with Vitamin E the first couple of months, diligently.
I spoke to Dr. McGinn's staff and this is what they wrote back
"Unfortunately, now that you are post-op the hair can not be removed by Electrolysis inside the
Vagina. There is no way for the technician to see inside you or fit the tools required inside to treat
the hair" and "I'm sorry but that would be very tough to do".
Makes sense. How the hell can they see inside?
They might however help with the scar. :)
I guess for now, I can continue plucking (with fingers) hairs from inside.
I thought of using Vaniqa inside vagina but I'm scared it might cause skin complications inside and be absorbed into the body and have side-effects. Also it's expensive and needs to be continued forever. No thanks.
Like I said, Dr. B tried to cauterize a second time, going inside while under local anesthesia. No improvement and it cost me 500$, hospitalization fees.
I can perhaps try Estrace cream. Who knows? What have I got to lose? $$$...
I had almost two years of electrolysis down there prior to srs before I was given the go ahead for surgery. Post op, it's impossible to get it removed. Maybe you could shave tje visible hairs. I know it's not ideal but I can't think of anything else.
You were always extremly helpful for anyones questions about hormones and stuff... therefore I reincarnated to answer yours...
If the hairs are deep rooted they are not likely to stop growing even if skin turns into mucosal tissue after years, and are not likely to stop growing with any cream applications, etc.. The only solution in such case would be special gynecologic laser, which is otherwise used to treat various skin conditions, including inside vagina. Like every other laser it works on hairs with appropriate pigment. So it is possible to remove hairs IF the color is darker. Light and red hairs are impossible to remove with todays laser technology. I'm not familiar how common this lasers are. Good luck to you, and I hope you find a solution.
Hello everyone, Layla's Electrolysis in Los Angeles does post-op hair removal...so she told me while undergoing electrolysis with her prior to SRS. Thankfully I have not needed that service. She described it as a very unpleasant experience for everyone involved. Often requiring the aid of another person to hold the vaginal vault open using wood sticks while she zaps the hairs.
Since I was on an expedited schedule for SRS, she expressed serious concern that post-op hair removal would be necessary. As I recall it takes six months of treatment to get the area totally cleared. I barely had three. She really put the fear of G-d in me.
I have done a bit of electrolysis (not w/ Layla's Electrolysis) post SRS in pubic area for cosmetic reasons. Perhaps expanding the area outward more than surgeons recommend would be a good call.
Thank you,
Anne
EOM
Whatever I have ever read in regards to hair left inside is that once you are post op it can not be removed. I am surprised Brassard left hair, I'm sure you would have rather undergone electrolysis and have waited that time had you known this? It sounds unpleasant! I hope you find a way to figure something out. Whomever mentioned the estrogen cream might be onto something. You could lower slightly whatever form of e delivery you have and use the cream Or gel in your vagina.. It will go inside the hair follicles and be absorbed there. It's bound to have a bigger effect on them if your body is absorbing it dermally that way. It's worth a try anyway.
In regards to the scars... BIO OIL. I had a BA some years back and the scars hardly got better, then from the point I used it they got much better within a couple of months. I had to have a lift and new implants since, so I know I can make the new scars better quickly like that. Make sure you do the circular motions while you rub it on.
Had I known there could be a slight risk of hairs inside vagina post-SRS, I would have definitely done genital electrolysis before but to be fair to Dr. B, this was mentioned in the document given to us before the op. I just skipped that part, didn't read between the lines. My fault. Back then, I wasn't as meticulous as I am today.
In the meantime, I will look into gynecologic lasers, my cousin's wife is a gynecologist. :) Los Angeles is way too far, my other cousin lives there but going 5-6 times from Montreal, Canada to LA...whoa! no thanks! and not worth the cost. I can always ask my former electrologist.
Concerning the scar, what exactly is BIO OIL? Can you elaborate? I might either end up going to Dr. McGinn, where there is someone there experienced with this sort of thing or try and find someone locally. She also suggested a certain type of laser, Frasel, I think.
Thanks to everyone for their helpful advice and support. :)
Hi Kayxo bio oil is a brand of product. Fairly sure it's sold world wide. I use it when I remember but can't say either way how effective it is, but it smells and feels nice enough
https://www.bio-oil.com/en-us/ (https://www.bio-oil.com/en-us/)
I had a year of electro downstairs beforehand. Hope you can get it worked out.
Thanks Serenation. I doubt the oil will bring back color to the scar but will try it anyways. :)
Apparently, I'm not the only one who's had this happen to them post-op. 2 other girls operated on by Dr. Brassard also ended up with hairs inside vagina. I strongly advise you do genital electrolysis before SRS with him, despite his recommendations not to do it. Follicle scraping clearly is not enough.
Sorry to hear about the hair inside. I did do laser 3 or 4 times before I went to Marci (and then 3-4 times after too).
As for scarring yeah.....interested to hear any solutions there too. I wax down there so you can definitely see the scars. My husband knows about my past and doesn't care though.
Still Marci's new method of putting the scars farther up in the groin itself (while making healing more difficult) sound really awesome now.
Hello,
There is one other way I've heard that might help: Enzyme based permanent hair reduction. This is not like Veet. These are strong creams that contain trypsin. If this works, and I can't verify it, then it might be your best option. Here are some links below to start doing your own research.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9097027
http://www.depilarsystem.com/how_it_works.html
http://helios-eie.ekt.gr/EIE/bitstream/10442/7349/2/IBRB_Xenakis_98_03.pdf
Hope that eventually it all works out. And even if you can't rid of it permanently, remember there's a good possibility that a lover would not even know. After all, it's probably not too many and they're probably tiny as well :)
- Ruby
Quote from: RubyAliza on March 05, 2016, 09:26:44 AM
There is one other way I've heard that might help: Enzyme based permanent hair reduction. This is not like Veet. These are strong creams that contain trypsin. If this works, and I can't verify it, then it might be your best option.
Not an option, no salons in my area offering treatment. There is an electrologist 2 hours away from where I live that has experience treating such hairs. We'll see...I just don't get how one can clearly see the hairs and follicles inside.
QuoteAnd even if you can't rid of it permanently, remember there's a good possibility that a lover would not even know. After all, it's probably not too many and they're probably tiny as well :)
Not tiny and there are many, trust me. I'm not exaggerating BUT when I'm very aroused and wet, you don't feel them as much.
Thanks Ruby. :)
In relation to hair, when you have mentioned internal hair, i am unsure if they are in the vaginal canal or just in the entry.
Personally I have some hair in the entry and i use hot wax once every few months. I have tried laser post-op, but the laser technicians will not go in the entry.
For scars, I have thought about camouflage tattooing and Fraxel laser.
Good luck with it all.
In the vaginal canal.
I feel that frequent intercourse 3 to 5 times per week or more would wear away hair. There is a lot of friction generated while having vaginal intercourse with a man. Try lots of sex in my opinion for hair to wear it away. :) Plus it is lots of fun with the right guy!
LOL. :D Thanks!
A reply from one electrologist re: hairs inside my vagina
"I'm going to be completely blunt, what you are asking to have done is a
difficult, perhaps unfeasible task that will be uncomfortable to have
performed. I'll talk a little bit about the mechanics involved so you
understand"
"When SRS is performed with the penile inversion technique, the skin of
the penis is rolled inside out. Hairs which normally grow Outward from
the body end up growing inward . This is important because when
electrolysis is performed, we must insert the needle in the direction of
the hair follicle, which is now pointed inward. If you look at the
diagram you will note the probe is bent at a sharp angle on the end of
the probe holder so that it faces the direction of the hair growth, and
can be "hooked" into the follicle. This is the difficulty you are
facing. For this reason I cannot imagine that electrolysis can be
performed beyond about an inch or two into the follicle ( the reach of
the probe with any accuracy).
In order to get the hair into view, drastic measures have to be taken,
and the use of a medical bench with stirrups, as well as a speculum is
required. It's possible with a speculum to remove it and relocate so
that different areas of the skin inside the neovagina are exposed for
treatment. It would however be an extremely uncomfortable position to be
in for the extended time required and would also require the
electrologist to reposition frequently to access different areas, of
both you and themselves in order to gain access to work and see."
"There is little chance of complications from the treatment , I would use
thermolysis so there would be no lye which could change the ph balance
of the neovagina , however there is a high probability that we may find
the treatment lengthy, awkward, and uncomfortable ."
"I dont feel there is anything I can do to assist with
deeper growth, but within the first couple inches of depth should be
very feasible, if very awkward. I don't think it wise to use lidocaine
cream and also suggest that the skin should be disturbed as little as
possible while electrolysis is being performed which would limit sexual
intercourse during that period."
"I also want to convey to you that I am very sorry you are experiencing
growth there, I feel Dr Brassard's clinic does a disservice to its
patients by recommending SRS without having done hair removal first. "
"In my discussions with other electrologists, the vast majority have advised
me they would not have the time to attempt such a case."
There should be lasers suitable for such purposes.
This is a description of one device:
Applications:
hair removal, vascular lesion treatment, pigmented lesion treatment
There should be devices small enough to fit in, and power seems to be adjustable for different purposes.
You might aks at manufacturers and then if there are devices close to you.
Or you might ask at places doing hair/tatoo/scar removal etc.
*hugs*
"Also, this was around the time I started noticing hair inside the vagina. Yes, inside, about an inch or so deep. ... But, you know what I did. I stuck some tweezers up there and plucked them out. Yes, I did that and I could feel it too. It kinda hurt, and those were some really long hairs.."
https://autumnasphodel.com/91/sex-reassignment-surgery
(she says later she hasn't "noticed" any hair coming back after plucking)
There are numbing creams available. The electrologist or laser hair treatment centers might also have some.
*hugs*
Laura, the problem is these hairs are deep inside the cavity so neither plucking or laser would do anything as there would be no way to clearly see so deep inside unless a speculum and other instruments are used. And it will hurt as hell, lidocaine is not advised. In the end, not worth it!