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I have often wondered:  With all of the advancements in medical technology why is genital reconstruction the only option?  It seems to me that if it is possible to put a baboon's heart into a human, than shouldn't it be possible to swap gender parts with a willing donor?  For instance if a male to female TS donates their 'parts' and a female to male TS donates their 'parts' why couldn't they just switch?

This would make the FTM truely male and theoretically able to reproduce, and it would also make the MTF truely biologically female and able to bear children.

Any takers??

It's not quite that simple, but if they could do it I'd sign up in a heartbeat.

Absolutely. If it were possible, I'd be on the horn with every loan shark in the country.  :D

Me first...me me me

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I don't think there's too many of us that would pass up the opportunity, especially with alot of willing participants.

yea I do it.  where do I sign up?  it aint possible though :(

Quote from: Chris on October 11, 2007, 01:51:33 AM
yea I do it.  where do I sign up?  it aint possible though :(

Sadly enough.  Doesn't it have to do with the cells of the new organ and the antibodies fighting it off until it would eventually kill the organs?  Or am I completely lost here and just rambling. 

Quote from: shanetastic on October 11, 2007, 02:11:40 AM

Quote from: Chris on October 11, 2007, 01:51:33 AM
yea I do it.  where do I sign up?  it aint possible though :(

Sadly enough.  Doesn't it have to do with the cells of the new organ and the antibodies fighting it off until it would eventually kill the organs?  Or am I completely lost here and just rambling. 

That's pretty much the case with any transplant.  That's why they try to get as close a genetic match as possible and give anti-rejection drugs.

What about stem cells, couldn't they just grow new gender appropriate body parts for us?

While we're playing fantasy games here, there seems to be one drawback even in fantasyland.

There truly seems to be more male-to-female people than female-to-male.  So there would be an overabundance of donor males wanting to give up their equipment and a dearth of donor females wanting to exchange with a male.

The women donors would be able to have the pick of the crop of the males so to speak and be able to demand payment as well.

What a world *that* would be!

-Sandy

Stem cell research is very promising. Give it another 10 or 20 years.
This kind of reaseach will make Hrt more safer, It'll give better results for SRS and much more, Who knows?
I can see some amazing things happening for the Transgendered in the future because of stem cell research. ;D  Not only for the transgendered, but for everyone Like people with cancer, diabetes and many more medical problems.
In the meantime, we'll have to accept the way things are. ::) 

With the transplants, I wish it were that easy. I guess I would say, Where do I sign up? M2Fs might have problems but it would be the so called "cats meow" for F2Ms. :laugh:

Quote from: Kassandra on October 11, 2007, 10:21:57 AM
There truly seems to be more male-to-female people than female-to-male.  So there would be an overabundance of donor males wanting to give up their equipment and a dearth of donor females wanting to exchange with a male.

Not true.  Don't believe those 30 year old numbers.  They are pretty even. 

I saw a show on discovery health once about future technology, and they took a few healthy cells from a man's failing heart, let them grow, and made him a completely new, completely functional, compatible heart for a transplant.  This makes me wonder...  if they could take the right cells from down below and create the right parts (in my case, take some cells from the clitoris and/or vagina as well as the urethra and make a penis with urethra and everything in tact), then i'd be happy with that.  I don't think we'll ever get to a point where we can go in and alter the genes, turning XX into XY and vice versa so that we can actually produce offspring of our own with the right body, but it would still be cool to actually FEEL something during intercourse using normal-sized genitals made from our own cells.

Quote from: Kassandra on October 11, 2007, 10:21:57 AM
There truly seems to be more male-to-female people than female-to-male.  So there would be an overabundance of donor males wanting to give up their equipment and a dearth of donor females wanting to exchange with a male.

If I were an FTM currently I would hesitate as the surgery results do not seem as promising, functional, etc as the MTF get from their surgery.

And imagine, FTM's could get a full functioning penis it might encourage more to come out of the closet.   

Jokingly:  Male could also charge back too.   Size matters --- charge by the inch...  LOL

Sorry I had to say that.  Anyway If I am off base let me know.

Daisy

I would do it, but I would want some big uns!!!  No use being a woman if you can't show off your curves!!!

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Quote from: Kassandra on October 11, 2007, 10:21:57 AM
There truly seems to be more male-to-female people than female-to-male.  So there would be an overabundance of donor males wanting to give up their equipment and a dearth of donor females wanting to exchange with a male.

Not true.  Don't believe those 30 year old numbers.  They are pretty even. 

Quite so. The MTF and FTM support groups here have pretty much equal numbers.

Maybe, it would depend on the donor.  I would have to think of my future offspring.  Dont want them to be pathetic looking.

I'm assuming you meant sex/reproductive organs, correct?  The only reason I would like a uterus and ovaries is to have my own child.  It's a dream that I know I won't be able to realize in this lifetime....but if it were possible, sure I'd love to.

tink :icon_chick:

Id go for it...  Id also go for the rejuvination of what I allready have... Stem cell research seems to be the only way to go for this though...  The problems with transplanting the reproductive organs go far beyond something as simple as a heart transpalnt...  there are thousands of nerves taht have to be properly attached, and it requires a heck of allot of plumbing work...  Its a pipe dream at this point... but then again, 50 years ago who imagined a cell phone, let alone that a persons celphone would be more advanced and have more computing power than there largest super computers... or that lasers would be used medicly... or that an I-Pod would hold more than every computer in existance combined back then?

Quote from: Jessica.Heart on October 10, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
It seems to me that if it is possible to put a baboon's heart into a human, than shouldn't it be possible to swap gender parts with a willing donor?
Any takers??

If yer talkin' about a baboon vagina, then I can tell you real fast....umm....no thanks....

Beverly
Homosapien

Quote from: Beverly on October 11, 2007, 08:30:22 PM

Quote from: Jessica.Heart on October 10, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
It seems to me that if it is possible to put a baboon's heart into a human, than shouldn't it be possible to swap gender parts with a willing donor?
Any takers??

If yer talkin' about a baboon vagina, then I can tell you real fast....umm....no thanks....

Beverly
Homosapien

OMG, just the thought of that......

Suffice it to say, no way!  It's bad enough feeling like a mixture of male and female.  Cross-species is just going too far.

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maybe an unusual transplant... but did u kno ur mom has an unused uterus and half the cells u do(compatible). Just going on an idea. she doesnt even hav to remove it... just clone the organ from some cells and implant and presto. as for ftm... im sure something similar can be done as well (prostate and maybe even external organs). remember u cant clone a baby-making-organ( testicals and ovaries, cuz the result would most likely be simillar to ur clone.  sorry... im a biotech major.. ive always wanted to do something like this, and thats whi i chose that area. along with creating a more complicated (multi-cell-type) full reproductive system to go.  i hope the hypothetical cloning doesnt bother anyone. maybe ten years from now... ill get an office and finish my idea.

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 01:06:06 AM
but did u kno ur mom has an unused uterus and half the cells u do(compatible).

If my mother had an unsused uterus it would be very difficult for me to be typing this now, wouldn't you say?

-Sandy (Sterility is hereditary)

Quote from: Kassandra on October 18, 2007, 12:41:52 PM

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 01:06:06 AM
but did u kno ur mom has an unused uterus and half the cells u do(compatible).

If my mother had an unsused uterus it would be very difficult for me to be typing this now, wouldn't you say?

-Sandy (Sterility is hereditary)

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Correct me if I am wrong --- but when you clone cells from "aged" tissue, the new organ ( or whatever ) has the "aged" characteristics of the source.   That is why embryonic stem cells are so important.   They are not aged.    I liken this to taking an old house apart and then using all the pieces to rebuild the house again.   The house is still the same again ( maybe upgraded a bit ).



If it was me.... I want the transplant tissue with no aging.   Let my wine age, but not my uterus....

Daisy

Thought about this a while --

I'd be ok with the internal organs... testes, ovaries, uterus etc.. (and I would absolutely donate mine so that someone else would have a chance to procreate).

but a genital transplant?  I dunno, sorta lean on the 'no thanks'

Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared  :laugh:

Quote from: Alison on October 18, 2007, 03:11:41 PM

Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared  :laugh:

Ewwww!  Don't touch *that*!  You don't know where it's been!  (Actually we probably do!)

-Sandy(It's alright to share toothbrushes, just rinse them in the toilet first!)

well actually, i didnt really mean to tear the thing out of ur closest living female family member...nor did i really say clone a 30's, 40's, or 50' uterus.   just maybe use some samples along with ur own... and some stem cells... and its a start.    of course im sure ur gonna need more than a little assuming to make it work( it actually takes a degree sometimes) and this stuff gets a little complicated around people its sortov new to.    a 50 year old uterus is still a working uterus... with a lifespan that could go well into ur 80's.

<<<<<<I'd be ok with the internal organs... testes, ovaries, uterus etc.. (and I would absolutely donate mine so that someone else would have a chance to procreate). but a genital transplant?  I dunno, sorta lean on the 'no thanks'  Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared.>>>>>>

this comment is the perfect example of it...at some point, you have to realize that you either find a part... or make one( which is complicated, since the part wasnt previously part of your body.). the transplant organs suggested would likely not be accepted by the host body( just like heart transplant) so its pointless to go with ideas that are way off(give it 20 year and maybe). i chose the uterus as a good starting point because its simple(its made with only one or maybe a few cell types, as opposed to gonads... more than two...sortov complicated). with a very similar donor(blood type and similar antibodies), pregnancy( with some exceptions) is possible when nothing is killing it( and no meds are hurting something else). By no means is in vitro vertillisation to embryo transfer perfect... but its possible today and can be perfected  and use for the general transgendered population as well.

point is...  you can dream about what we might do... but if you ignore what we can do, maybe theres no point in going further.   check the website ive found to read up on the recent advancement in technology... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/14/AR2007011401091.html

Quote from: Alison on October 18, 2007, 03:11:41 PM

Sorta like other peoples toothbrushes and underpants, genitals aren't meant to be shared  :laugh:

Yeppers.......  Never were yours to begin with.  They'd probably have an icky alien feel to them, and you would work your ass off to save the $25,000 to have them removed to relieve your tormented mind.  You would be one of the first $50,000 Posties by the time you got it right.


Bev

While in fantasy land....

Wouldnt it just be easier/better to swap brains?  I mean chopping off bits and pieces seems a lot like putting Ford fenders on a Chevy, you can make them fit, but it wont be pretty....  Not to mention I would enjoy not being the 6'2" tall Chevy with Ford fenders in pink satin =)

Dana

While it fantasy land follow the rabbit down to hole......

A brain is a complete computer with extensive storage space.     So all you need is the ability to copy all memories and store them.   Clear the Target brain of memories after backing up and store memories from the first person in the second .... doing the same in tandem you can do the same with the second....

You know just a basic memory swap.... nothing hard

Daisy

Ive got a book on do it yourself brain surgery and a saw if anyones interested  :o

The thing about swapping brains is I'd hate to try the procedure the first time and find that it doesn't copy something intangable like a soul. Now you have a soul and an incompatible bunch of memories that don't seem to work together.

You may not believe in souls or spirits or whatever, but would you really want to roll the dice for someone when parts of life just aren't understood enough yet? Where does that spark of life come from, isn't conciousness more then just chance brain activity? All we're saying is, we'd hate to be the people who authorized a memory wipe and the technology doesn't transfer the whole person.

M&M

Bush is stopping stem cell as well as other politicians. Our government needs to stop interefering with this stuff- they like messing with things that if they aren't messed with can benefit a lot of ppl--drug companies are paying the government on top of that.- so we have problems with these morons as well.

Quote from: Tink on October 11, 2007, 08:09:34 PM
I'm assuming you meant sex/reproductive organs, correct?  The only reason I would like a uterus and ovaries is to have my own child.  It's a dream that I know I won't be able to realize in this lifetime....but if it were possible, sure I'd love to.

tink :icon_chick:

I would love to fo that...it makes me cry thinking about it. I wasn't ever able to have children as a male and I have always wanted my own kids...

no f2m would want this shriveled surgically mutalted thing...
R :police:

Quote from: Marq and Mia on November 02, 2007, 05:25:21 PM
The thing about swapping brains is I'd hate to try the procedure the first time and find that it doesn't copy something intangable like a soul. Now you have a soul and an incompatible bunch of memories that don't seem to work together.

You may not believe in souls or spirits or whatever, but would you really want to roll the dice for someone when parts of life just aren't understood enough yet? Where does that spark of life come from, isn't conciousness more then just chance brain activity? All we're saying is, we'd hate to be the people who authorized a memory wipe and the technology doesn't transfer the whole person.

M&M

The whole body swap thing wouldn't work out for the same reason why I wouldn't want teleportation involving the recreation of a self from local matter. It just wouldn't be you; it'd be a copy. Not exactly what I want since I'd be destroyed.


To be honest, I'm putting my money on virtual reality. Graphical technology is nearly photo-realistic now; Gran Turismo 5 is proof. As soon as virtual reality becomes a full-sensory immersive possibility.. we'll have everything we've ever wanted. So I'm hoping for that in general. The brain is already being mapped for output as a controller - what will they do when they have finally accomplished that? Input.  >:D

http://www.surrey.ac.uk/qe/Outline.htm

1.  There is a small, but growing, amount of evidence that some elements of biological systems exhibit quantum behaviors.  The aforementioned article mentions DNA, but there is possibly much more going on. 

2.  The brain operates on an analog level, perfect replication in a digital medium isn't possible.  Estimating it requires enormous computing power, although some amount of research is being done in that respect (ie. BrainGate).  What you are talking about, input, is far more difficult, even assuming it is well understood, well defined problem, which currently, it's not.

We are decades away from being able to directly write sensory experience.

i think id sign up.. maybe.. but even with the overies or testes depending on situation theres still the issue of chromosomes as was mentioned earlier,, you still have your original chromosomes so i dotn see this ever workign as envisiond as for th etrasplant its self i could see it being as sucessful as any other organ can be now with proper use of anti rejection drugs and correct tissue typing but reporductively.. i dotn see it ever working and thus even to have the correct organs would be a waste
emma

Would depend entirely on who it was that was donating. I'd certainly do it if the organ suited me externally, as in it would have to be in proportion and not, ehm, over used?! I'd love to be able to give what I do have to someone else, after all, I've heard many a good thing about it which I could never appreciate, being as I hate the thing, so perhaps on someone else it would serve a purpose and be appreciated.

To answer the op, genital switching sounds too invasive for me to do. Heck, I wouldn't event get a tattoo for that same reason, too invasive. The only reason I might take someone else's organ would be to save my life...and that counts out genitalia.

I think it's an interesting idea, but it's about to be obsolete with the reality of organ growing via adult stem cells of patients. If you really want to be part of that you could hold out for one more decade on SRS (or not, because they can still grow it from your own stem cells, but you may want to hold out due to cost) and get that done instead. It may all seem like science fiction, but biotechnology seems to be an accelerating curve of progress, so expect to be blinded by a new decade of superscience.

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If I actually had a willing donor to get a uterus from so that I could have kids I would most certainly do this in a heartbeat. The only reason I haven't considered surgery is cause one day I want to have children.

Id do it!

I already thought about this too and I would also do it, but was also wondering... (sorry if this sounds stupid) cant the surgeons use breasts (after the top surgery) to make a penis instead of having to use arms, thighs or stomach area?  Or some kind of other material like rubber?

Other tissues are not as nearly consistent looking as those areas you referenced that they use. But I wouldn't worry, if adult stem cell research continues to progress at the accelerating rate that it is, we'll probably have the ability to grow our own transplantable organs within two decades or less (barring government regulation (strangulation)).

I've actually heard of something like a gender transplant for MtF Transexuals. I've head that they possibly could successfully put a uterus, along with all of the other parts including the ovaries in a person... I don't know how long it would be able to sustain itself in there but they said it is quite possible.;)

My FTM friend and I always joke with each other about how badly we wish we could do this. Except... we're not really joking.