People uses difference terms etc. in sentences, in chats etc. So are you picky how people say a sentence and which sentence do you prefer people to use? I'm just curious and therefor I ask you.
Some people says: "He had a gender change" but other says: "He had a sex change". Some says "He had a sex reassignment surgery" and some says: "He had a sex correction" Which one do you prefer to use?
Another thing some people says may be: "She used to be a man", "She was a man in the past", "She was born a boy, but changed her gender to woman"...
And here is the more trans friendly way to say it in my opinion: "She has always been a girl, but were assigned male at birth", "Just because she has XY-chromosome, she's still a girl", "She presented as a boy in the past, but she has always been a girl".
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In some cases people say transsexuals are born in the wrong body. But I don't think we are more in the wrong body than other people who are difference from the society, example birth defect. Right body, wrong developing I think about my transgender case.
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Personally I'm very picky at how people says things and I'm wondering if there are anybody else who are picky. I also wondering which terms you prefer, which you find annoying and which terms you want to change. :)
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Which do you prefer and why? Here is examples you can answer at.
Gender change VS Sex change VS Sex reassignment surgery VS Sex correction etc...
Used to be a X VS They were born as VS They were assigned X at birth VS They was X in the past etc...
Born in the wrong body VS Trapped VS Developing difference than others VS Brain and body don't match VS Gender identity and sex organs doesn't necessary match etc...
Hi,
i think that sex cannot be changed. Sex is just a vital energy, a life force. Everything is sexual, animal, plants, maybe also stars... Therefore sex is what it is, is part of nature and intrinsic to life itself - it cannot be changed, it can only be transformed into another kind of energy, that we usually call "Love".
Gender change, is more appropriate to me.
:)
Hugs,
Aly
Gender is my head.
Sex is between my legs.
I underwent a Sex Change Operation, not a Lobotomy.
EOM
I think sex change is more accurate. It's already been proven our gender is wired into our brain pre natal but the sex (sexual parts) sometimes doesn't match. So gender can't be changed but the sex can with surgeries.
I believe that we're not born in the wrong body. My body is male because my gender is male; it'll just take some reconfiguring to make me more comfortable. Although it took me years to accept this concept because of society telling me that a womens body must look one way and a man's another.
Quote from: Alycya on February 23, 2016, 02:17:26 PM
Hi,
i think that sex cannot be changed. Sex is just a vital energy, a life force. Everything is sexual, animal, plants, maybe also stars... Therefore sex is what it is, is part of nature and intrinsic to life itself - it cannot be changed, it can only be transformed into another kind of energy, that we usually call "Love".
Gender change, is more appropriate to me.
:)
Hugs,
Aly
Thanks for reply. Very interesting thought. But I'm honestly strongly disagree. The term "Sex" do mean "sex organs", but also "secondary gender/sex features" for me when it's about transgender people. You can change your appearance like secondary sex features and genitalia. Chromosomes can't be changed, but they aren't that visible after hrt and surgery, so it doesn't matter that much. But it's not possible to change the gender in my opinion. Gender roles is something you can switch, but not gender identity or the true gender. When I say it's impossible to change gender, I'm talking about the gender identity. That's what the person identify himself/herself with and which gender structure that are in the brain. It is probably biological. :)
I would never undergo a gender change in the future, but a sex change is something I really consider. I don't want lobotomy where the doctor mess up my brain. The gender lying in the brain according to my definition. I don't want to change my personality, me as a person. My brain is me. But hrt and top surgery is something I may undergo in the future. :)
I think people get too bent out of shape over words.
We let some silly word or phrase set us off into whatever craziness.
It's a word, just a noise made by a mouth, or a collection of arbitrarily defined shapes that many people have completely different meaning assigned to.
I'm just getting something "tucked away".
People can use whatever arbitrary thing to describe what I'm doing and why.
I don't owe then a thing. I don't have to explain myself to anyone.
Especially since most folks argue over stupid symantec nonsense.
it's just freakin words.
Gender cannot be changed. It is who you are pre, during and post transition. Whether you do something about it or not is another story.
With regards to sex, I presonally prefer sex reassignment or sex correction to sex change.
Quote from: Ritana on February 23, 2016, 03:04:01 PM
Gender cannot be changed. It is who you are pre, during and post transition. Whether you do something about it or not is another story.
With regards to sex, I presonally prefer sex reassignment or sex correction to sex change.
Not everyone transitions, though. Gender does change for some of us, as well. Here's some reading material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 23, 2016, 02:44:59 PM
Thanks for reply. Very interesting thought. But I'm honestly strongly disagree. The term "Sex" do mean "sex organs", but also "secondary gender/sex features" for me when it's about transgender people. You can change your appearance like secondary sex features and genitalia. Chromosomes can't be changed, but they aren't that visible after hrt and surgery, so it doesn't matter that much. But it's not possible to change the gender in my opinion. Gender roles is something you can switch, but not gender identity or the true gender. When I say it's impossible to change gender, I'm talking about the gender identity. That's what the person identify himself/herself with and which gender structure that are in the brain. It is probably biological. :)
I would never undergo a gender change in the future, but a sex change is something I really consider. I don't want lobotomy where the doctor mess up my brain. The gender lying in the brain according to my definition. I don't want to change my personality, me as a person. My brain is me. But hrt and top surgery is something I may undergo in the future. :)
I got it.
Of course i didn't mean to affirm that transition is a "gender identity" change.
Simply: the external body appearance changes ---> the external body appearance can be related to a "gender".
Sex doesn't mean "genitalia", sex is not a "thing", it's something that happens, and it happens because it's something intrinsic to life.
You may change the form of a lamp, but the light that the new lamp will spread out will be still "light".
Sex, as light, is a phenomenon which happens... it's not a "thing", an object.
BTW, personally i don't mind too much at words, labels and definitions - the most important thing is the better quality of life that transition might lead to...
The label that we put on the bottle does not change the quality of what is inside the bottle.
:)
Aly
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 23, 2016, 03:10:47 PM
Not everyone transitions, though. Gender does change for some of us, as well. Here's some reading material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer
By doesn't change I meant we are who we are; we cannot alter our gender. We can, however, change our appearance and body to to match our true gender.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 23, 2016, 02:44:59 PM
Thanks for reply. Very interesting thought. But I'm honestly strongly disagree. The term "Sex" do mean "sex organs", but also "secondary gender/sex features" for me when it's about transgender people. You can change your appearance like secondary sex features and genitalia. Chromosomes can't be changed, but they aren't that visible after hrt and surgery, so it doesn't matter that much. But it's not possible to change the gender in my opinion. Gender roles is something you can switch, but not gender identity or the true gender. When I say it's impossible to change gender, I'm talking about the gender identity. That's what the person identify himself/herself with and which gender structure that are in the brain. It is probably biological. :)
I would never undergo a gender change in the future, but a sex change is something I really consider. I don't want lobotomy where the doctor mess up my brain. The gender lying in the brain according to my definition. I don't want to change my personality, me as a person. My brain is me. But hrt and top surgery is something I may undergo in the future. :)
Here's the rub, you're looking at all this as though XX and XY are a discrete binary. Androgen insensitivity disorder will cause a "genetically male (XY)" person to develop as a woman in utero. She will be able to get pregnant and develop normally because her body defaults to the X chromosome. There's XXY, XYY, XXYY, etc., intersex is ignored and forgotten so often when people want to argue that sex is based on chromosomes. The reality is that sex and gender aren't as easily defined as people pretend.
The way we experience our gender and practice our gender roles evolve over time, although our gender identity doesn't. I usually refer to myself as a trans woman, transsexual seems outdated to me. When talking about surgeries, I generally refer to them as top or bottom surgeries, or as gender confirming surgeries. Only my outwardly perceived gender/sex is "reassigned" by surgeries. My actual gender hasn't budged from female since I was a kid, and no surgery could change it.
I was socialized as male throughout my childhood, MAAB & FAAB are pretty good ways to say the same thing (Male assigned at birth & female assigned at birth). I used to be a much less happier version of myself that felt like I had to try to fit in as a guy, but I'm the same person.
Hugs,
- Katie
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Quote from: Obfuskatie on February 23, 2016, 04:16:31 PM
Here's the rub, you're looking at all this as though XX and XY are a discrete binary. Androgen insensitivity disorder will cause a "genetically male (XY)" person to develop as a woman in utero. She will be able to get pregnant and develop normally because her body defaults to the X chromosome. There's XXY, XYY, XXYY, etc., intersex is ignored and forgotten so often when people want to argue that sex is based on chromosomes. The reality is that sex and gender aren't as easily defined as people pretend.
The way we experience our gender and practice our gender roles evolve over time, although our gender identity doesn't. I usually refer to myself as a trans woman, transsexual seems outdated to me. When talking about surgeries, I generally refer to them as top or bottom surgeries, or as gender confirming surgeries. Only my outwardly perceived gender/sex is "reassigned" by surgeries. My actual gender hasn't budged from female since I was a kid, and no surgery could change it.
I was socialized as male throughout my childhood, MAAB & FAAB are pretty good ways to say the same thing (Male assigned at birth & female assigned at birth). I used to be a much less happier version of myself that felt like I had to try to fit in as a guy, but I'm the same person.
Hugs,
- Katie
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Not mention that each chromosome, all 46 consist of many individual genes, which themselves are complex sets of base-4 executable code. Data is frequently corrupted in this storage medium by many external factors, radiation, biochemical toxicity, infection, as well as being vulnerable to errors during the information exchange process needed to create a new, unique, entity.
This is how we have so many different creatures running around, and planting themselves in the ground.
Humans are silly if they think they are going to crack open THAT api (application programming interface).
We're a bunch of hacks.
Katie!
Great post! Especially your comment "I was socialized as male throughout my childhood" I've seen this stated in different ways before, but it really is important to REMEMBER when trying to explain ourselves to the cis world.
Thanks!
Hugz!
The only thing I don't like really is when people, "he used to be a girl". From my perspective, I was never a girl. People were just not in possession of all the facts, that's all.
Quote from: OCAnne on February 23, 2016, 02:35:18 PM
Gender is my head.
Sex is between my legs.
I underwent a Sex Change Operation, not a Lobotomy.
EOM
I like that.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 23, 2016, 01:32:32 PM
Which do you prefer and why? Here is examples you can answer at.
Gender change VS Sex change VS Sex reassignment surgery VS Sex correction etc...
Used to be a X VS They were born as VS They were assigned X at birth VS They was X in the past etc...
Born in the wrong body VS Trapped VS Developing difference than others VS Brain and body don't match VS Gender identity and sex organs doesn't necessary match etc...
I prefer the term GRS (genital reconstruction surgery) It just makes the most sense to me. I'm not a fan of the other acronyms. I'm not changing my sex. I was a woman before surgery and I' am after surgery.
I don't care what words are used, tbh.
Quote from: Joi on February 24, 2016, 06:55:25 AM
Katie!
Great post! Especially your comment "I was socialized as male throughout my childhood" I've seen this stated in different ways before, but it really is important to REMEMBER when trying to explain ourselves to the cis world.
Thanks!
Hugz!
Ty
Explaining what it's like to be trans gets easier with practice ;)
Hugs,
- Katie
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Quote from: Alycya on February 23, 2016, 03:18:31 PM
I got it.
Of course i didn't mean to affirm that transition is a "gender identity" change.
Simply: the external body appearance changes ---> the external body appearance can be related to a "gender".
Sex doesn't mean "genitalia", sex is not a "thing", it's something that happens, and it happens because it's something intrinsic to life.
You may change the form of a lamp, but the light that the new lamp will spread out will be still "light".
Sex, as light, is a phenomenon which happens... it's not a "thing", an object.
BTW, personally i don't mind too much at words, labels and definitions - the most important thing is the better quality of life that transition might lead to...
The label that we put on the bottle does not change the quality of what is inside the bottle.
:)
Aly
Ok.
For me sex may mean "Makes love, to have sex with someone" and it may mean what's between your legs. Penis, vagina etc. are sex organs. So sex may be act, what's between your legs etc.
So when you think at "sex", do you think at "Making love"? English isn't my first language, therefor I asked you again the question.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 24, 2016, 10:35:54 AM
Ok.
For me sex may mean "Makes love, to have sex with someone" and it may mean what's between your legs. Penis, vagina etc. are sex organs. So sex may be act, what's between your legs etc.
So when you think at "sex", do you think at "Making love"? English isn't my first language, therefor I asked you again the question.
Well, in order for
me to 'Make Love' with a man, I needed a sex change. Is that better?
The term I use is GRS which can mean Gender Reconstruction Surgery or Gender Reassignment Surgery depending on who you talk to.
You know, to me it doesn't matter what most people try to say as long as they are attempting to do the right thing. "She used to be a guy," isn't trying very hard. "She had a sex change," isn't a whole lot better but isn't all that far off the mark. When all the fluff is blown away, it really matters little which terms are used. Good people will still be good people. The jerks will still be jerks. I will help someone understand if they ask, otherwise whatever comes out of their mouth is fine.
Cindi
Personally, I hate using the word "change" at all, and even dislike terms like "male to female," or anything else that implies that there was any "change" involved, as if I somehow became a different person, or used to be one category but now somehow I'm another category.
I'm a transgender woman. I've always been a transgender woman, I was born a transgender woman, I was a transgender women before I transitioned and I'm one after I transitioned. I'm fine with that term because, first and foremost, a woman is what I am, and transgender is just the type of woman I am. And I've always been a woman. It's just that other people used to not be able to see it, where now they can. And it's just that I used to have a medical condition which caused me to be constantly distressed at the shape of my body, where now I don't.
In regards to SRS/GRS/GCS/whatever, I usually just use the term "sex reassignment surgery" when I'm talking about it, because that's still the most common medically-used term for it, but personally if I were to pick something that's most accurate to how I feel it is, I'd just call it "genital reconstructive surgery." If you're just looking at me as a woman who was born with a penis (which is basically what I am,) rather than a "man changing into a woman," then all that SRS is is correcting a birth defect... reconstructive surgery. (Which is defined as "restoring the form and function of the body," which is exactly what SRS does for the genitals of trans people.)
Personally, I think transgender is a lousy name because we see "gender" as our innate sense of self, irrespective of chromosomally-induced body parts. It's immutable, so the "trans" part of the word is meaningless and confusing.
U.S. Americans think the word "sex" is icky.
We've granted those who aren't us the power to define who we are and the labels used to do so. I'm not saying we can do anything about that, but the diversity of opinion on Sebby's question means they didn't do a very good job.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 24, 2016, 10:35:54 AM
Ok.
For me sex may mean "Makes love, to have sex with someone" and it may mean what's between your legs. Penis, vagina etc. are sex organs. So sex may be act, what's between your legs etc.
So when you think at "sex", do you think at "Making love"? English isn't my first language, therefor I asked you again the question.
:) lol - English is not the first language for me neither. Anyway, i will try to express myself at my best.
For me Sex is not something between my legs - Sex is a much more wider phenomenon.
From a certain perspective sex and life are just synonymous, they exist together, you cannot divide them. If you are alive you cannot avoid to experience sex at some level, because it is intrinsic to life itself.
Sex is a "raw" energy that may evolve in something superior (Love-Compassion).
The source of Sex is the same source of what we call Life: the interaction between two polarities which are opposite and complementary at the same time (male-female; active-passive).
So, i know that in "language", semantically there are two different "sexes", but i'm not interested in grammar, what interest me more deeply is the Reality of things. Therefore, to me, to "spare" Sex is a sillinesss.
Sex is One thing, it's not two things, it's a vital energy that springs from the interaction of two opposite\complementary polarities. This is not a semantical viewpoint, but a Tantric one.
Those two polarities co-exist in each human being, nobody is an "absolute male" nor an "absolute female", each individual is both. That's why transition is possible, we can change our bodies, with the help of science, because that potentiality is already there.
And we can experience Sex from different perspectives, but we will experience the same vital energy. That's why i said that "Sex" it's not something we can "change", it's just something that we can experience.
... i'm saying this knowing that in common language with the term "sex" people may refer to a particular condition (the state of being male or female)... but i'm not a "common person".
:)
Aly
I like Gender Realization
Quote from: OCAnne on February 24, 2016, 11:26:27 AM
Well, in order for me to 'Make Love' with a man, I needed a sex change. Is that better?
I didn't give you the critic. I just asked another person in the thread what she meant, because I didn't get her point, because she wrote it in a very difficult way. Even I can English, it's still not my first language and it's still hard to understand sometimes. :)
SRS and she was not designated female at birth.
I really don't see any benefit in labelling someone with gender dysphoria with the one word that bothers them the most in life.
oh so you were born a BOY, assigned MALE at birth, your MALE to female. ugh
... perhaps GRS = Gender Restoring Surgery (?)
A surgery to reconstruct\restore the original\true gender...
:)
i surrender ... lol
Quote from: Alycya on February 25, 2016, 05:28:30 PM
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i surrender ... lol
:laugh: Me too! The terms I prefer in sentences are "Dinner's ready" and "Do you want more gravy?" :laugh:
Hugs, Devlyn
I have always liked the term 'Gender affirmation surgery' but I also like the term Lady Garden installation :)
It has been more than thirty years since I transitioned... so this might be seriously dated. But my friends and I used the term "real fish" when we'd finally get the surgery. We also used that to describe XX women. It may be crass, but it was only among other trans friends.
Quote from: Alice Rogers on March 01, 2016, 06:31:56 AM
I have always liked the term 'Gender affirmation surgery' but I also like the term Lady Garden installation :)
lol
I love that. :)
Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 01, 2016, 11:17:13 AM
It has been more than thirty years since I transitioned... so this might be seriously dated. But my friends and I used the term "real fish" when we'd finally get the surgery.
So funny! On a post-SRS (Sex Change) followup with therapist, who is also a post-op transsexual woman. She commented that post-op vagina smells like fish. At the time I wished mine would only smell fishy. Well now I can confirm, yes it can smell fishy...and thats a good thing in my book!
Thank you,
Anne
I've heard a few say "she got her parts fixed" (though that can be misleading still). There's endless ways to say it honestly. For technicalities, "sex change" is probably the most accurate, regardless to the fact that it sounds a bit harsher.
~ Winter
Quote from: DiamondBladee on March 01, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
I've heard a few say "she got her parts fixed" (though that can be misleading still). There's endless ways to say it honestly. For technicalities, "sex change" is probably the most accurate, regardless to the fact that it sounds a bit harsher.
~ Winter
I'm a bit agree. :) Anyway, "sex change" is much better to say than "gender change" aka. lobotomy. :) What's between your legs can be fixed, your hormones can be fixed and rest of your looks. But you can't change a persons identity. Changing a persons brain sound just wrong.
Personally I tend to avoid terms with the word sex in them, since coming out I've noticed that many people who aren't trans or educated in trans issues get fixated on those 3 letters, my transition is not about sex its about me being happy in my own skin.
If I never have sex as a woman then I don't care as long as I get to live as my true self
Quote from: Jayne on March 01, 2016, 05:01:58 PM
Personally I tend to avoid terms with the word sex in them, since coming out I've noticed that many people who aren't trans or educated in trans issues get fixated on those 3 letters, my transition is not about sex its about me being happy in my own skin.
If I never have sex as a woman then I don't care as long as I get to live as my true self
And again, that's why I said sex just sounds kinda harsh. Plus the X. X just isn't a clean letter either.
Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 01, 2016, 11:17:13 AM
It has been more than thirty years since I transitioned... so this might be seriously dated. But my friends and I used the term "real fish" when we'd finally get the surgery. We also used that to describe XX women. It may be crass, but it was only among other trans friends.
:laugh: A friend of mine, post-op 18 years this month, came out in college and frequented a drag bar in Athens. She always said she was "raised by drag queens" and used "fish" all the time. When she did a show and tell for the girls at the bar after her surgery, that was exactly what they said about her. "Real fish."
Usually when I talk about this kind of thing in public it is a quiet one- on- one conversation and I would say "I haven't had reassignment yet" and "I am a girl but I was like a boy". Emphasis on the LIKE.
using SRS or GRS doesn't really bother me. However I prefer GCS - Gender correction surgery. Because, for me, the point of bottom surgery is just to make my body match my gender. making physical changes to my body doesn't change who I am. It helps me portray my gender better as well as makes me feel better and more like myself when I look at myself.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 23, 2016, 01:32:32 PM
Some people says: "He had a gender change" but other says: "He had a sex change". Some says "He had a sex reassignment surgery" and some says: "He had a sex correction" Which one do you prefer to use?
Another thing some people says may be: "She used to be a man", "She was a man in the past", "She was born a boy, but changed her gender to woman"...
And here is the more trans friendly way to say it in my opinion: "She has always been a girl, but were assigned male at birth", "Just because she has XY-chromosome, she's still a girl", "She presented as a boy in the past, but she has always been a girl".
I also don't believe it is appropriate for someone else to talk about and disclose what a trans person is, was or has done. it's nobodies damn business. People that do this need to keep their big mouths shut!!