Do you think the methods of gender change operation will get more improved and they'll have more methods? I'm specifically thinking about metiodplasty and phalloplasty and that to me they sound inadequate. Especially phalloplasty has so many risks and could break.
If you have had phalloplasty is the sensation any good?
Im pretty certain I want phalloplasty in my 20's.. as it is now, it's amazing what they can do. techniques and recovery always advance and I'm sure they will and I'm excited. We can hope!
So are you going to have it done soon or wait awhile?
Having talked to multiple medical professionals and people involved in research, the techniques now probably will not change much if at all. Phalloplasty is quickly overtaking if it hasn't already overtaken metoidioplasty in terms of popularity. If there are developments at all in the future, it will mostly come in the form of better erectile devices, which currently have a very high complication rate.
I personally put off transitioning because at the time bottom surgery didn't seem that impressive to me (2006). There has been enough improvement in that time that I've come out, completely transitioned, and am planning on surgery. I think the procedures as they exist now, when performed by the best surgeons, will be about everything we could ever hope for.
If you're waiting for lab grown penises like I've heard some guys want, I know nothing about it. I imagine we would be the last in line to get them if they worked out.
Quote from: FTMax on February 27, 2016, 06:25:39 AM
If you're waiting for lab grown penises like I've heard some guys want, I know nothing about it. I imagine we would be the last in line to get them if they worked out.
As far as I'm aware, they're still doing research on that, but it won't be possible for FTMs to get a lab grown one. The method they use would need you to have at least some part of your penis intact, then they extract cells from it and re-grow it. So it's really just to help cis men who somehow lost part of it in accidents.
Quote from: Kanzaki on February 27, 2016, 06:51:44 AM
Quote from: FTMax on February 27, 2016, 06:25:39 AM
If you're waiting for lab grown penises like I've heard some guys want, I know nothing about it. I imagine we would be the last in line to get them if they worked out.
As far as I'm aware, they're still doing research on that, but it won't be possible for FTMs to get a lab grown one. The method they use would need you to have at least some part of your penis intact, then they extract cells from it and re-grow it. So it's really just to help cis men who somehow lost part of it in accidents.
The clitoris is homologous to the penis, so I imagine it could potentially be applied to FTMs - but as you said, I don't think we are the intended beneficiaries of this research, so even if it were possible, I think we would be the last in line to benefit from it.
Quote from: FTMax on February 27, 2016, 06:25:39 AM
Having talked to multiple medical professionals and people involved in research, the techniques now probably will not change much if at all. Phalloplasty is quickly overtaking if it hasn't already overtaken metoidioplasty in terms of popularity. If there are developments at all in the future, it will mostly come in the form of better erectile devices, which currently have a very high complication rate.
I personally put off transitioning because at the time bottom surgery didn't seem that impressive to me (2006). There has been enough improvement in that time that I've come out, completely transitioned, and am planning on surgery. I think the procedures as they exist now, when performed by the best surgeons, will be about everything we could ever hope for.
If you're waiting for lab grown penises like I've heard some guys want, I know nothing about it. I imagine we would be the last in line to get them if they worked out.
I've always wondered why they can't get one from a cadaver that donated his body to science. When I first heard about GRS that's the first thing I thought of them doing!
Having the nerves to make the donated organ function correctly might not be possible. The other issue is anti rejection drugs are pretty hard on the body and don't always prevent rejection. Transplants are best reserved for life endangering conditions where the risk of the anti rejection drugs is small compared to the other risks.
Quote from: Dena on February 27, 2016, 02:17:41 PM
Having the nerves to make the donated organ function correctly might not be possible. The other issue is anti rejection drugs are pretty hard on the body and don't always prevent rejection. Transplants are best reserved for life endangering conditions where the risk of the anti rejection drugs is small compared to the other risks.
I know nothing about science, but wish I did. So you are saying artificial implants are better?
I am saying that transplants from somebody who isn't your identical twin requires anti rejection drugs that have serious side effects. My roommate's son had a kidney transplant and the drugs were expensive, hard on the liver, cause undesirable changes to the body and still you needed to watch out for rejection.
Gender surgery is still being refined and the MTF surgery is far better than when I had my surgery. The FTM surgery is improving but it needs to be far more complex than the MTF surgery so it still isn't an exact replacement for the factor equipment.
Both of us will be unable to reproduce after surgery and that is one of the limitations we have to accept. The reason for therapy and letters is to be sure we are fully aware of what life will be like after surgery so we are ready to face it. We will never live the exact life of a CIS after surgery but it may be close enough.
Quote from: Dena on February 27, 2016, 03:16:22 PM
I am saying that transplants from somebody who isn't your identical twin requires anti rejection drugs that have serious side effects. My roommate's son had a kidney transplant and the drugs were expensive, hard on the liver, cause undesirable changes to the body and still you needed to watch out for rejection.
Gender surgery is still being refined and the MTF surgery is far better than when I had my surgery. The FTM surgery is improving but it needs to be far more complex than the MTF surgery so it still isn't an exact replacement for the factor equipment.
Both of us will be unable to reproduce after surgery and that is one of the limitations we have to accept. The reason for therapy and letters is to be sure we are fully aware of what life will be like after surgery so we are ready to face it. We will never live the exact life of a CIS after surgery but it may be close enough.
Thanks for the info. I already got my tubes tied because I have never wanted children.
Quote from: alienbodybuilder on February 27, 2016, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: FTMax on February 27, 2016, 06:25:39 AM
Having talked to multiple medical professionals and people involved in research, the techniques now probably will not change much if at all. Phalloplasty is quickly overtaking if it hasn't already overtaken metoidioplasty in terms of popularity. If there are developments at all in the future, it will mostly come in the form of better erectile devices, which currently have a very high complication rate.
I personally put off transitioning because at the time bottom surgery didn't seem that impressive to me (2006). There has been enough improvement in that time that I've come out, completely transitioned, and am planning on surgery. I think the procedures as they exist now, when performed by the best surgeons, will be about everything we could ever hope for.
If you're waiting for lab grown penises like I've heard some guys want, I know nothing about it. I imagine we would be the last in line to get them if they worked out.
I've always wondered why they can't get one from a cadaver that donated his body to science. When I first heard about GRS that's the first thing I thought of them doing!
Would not work most likely. Even if the cadaver was a relative and the body part didn't immediately reject, you'd still need to take anti-rejection drugs for the rest of your life.
Quote from: FTMax on February 27, 2016, 05:11:23 PM
I've always wondered why they can't get one from a cadaver that donated his body to science. When I first heard about GRS that's the first thing I thought of them doing!
Would not work most likely. Even if the cadaver was a relative and the body part didn't immediately reject, you'd still need to take anti-rejection drugs for the rest of your life.
I was sort of joking, because I doubt a cadaver penis would have much feeling in it. It's just the first thing I thought of hearing about GRS as a teenager.
I don't know, and this is a big part of my surgery decision. I've pretty much decided on meta, purely because I don't want to need an erectile device. But then I think maybe the erectile devices will get better in the future, and I'll regret choosing meta.
Either way, I want a dick and balls now while I'm young. Whatever I decide it will be way better than what I currently have going for me. I'm sure when I'm 40 or 60 years old they'll have some amazing breakthrough surgery, but I don't know why anyone would wait around instead of accepting the current methods.
Quote from: alienbodybuilder on February 28, 2016, 01:51:47 AM
I was sort of joking, because I doubt a cadaver penis would have much feeling in it. It's just the first thing I thought of hearing about GRS as a teenager.
Not sure I'd want a dead dude's dong...
I mean you know donated kidneys and hearts don't exactly get up to much, unlike dongs.
Quote from: FTMax on February 27, 2016, 06:25:39 AM
Having talked to multiple medical professionals and people involved in research, the techniques now probably will not change much if at all. Phalloplasty is quickly overtaking if it hasn't already overtaken metoidioplasty in terms of popularity. If there are developments at all in the future, it will mostly come in the form of better erectile devices, which currently have a very high complication rate.
I personally put off transitioning because at the time bottom surgery didn't seem that impressive to me (2006). There has been enough improvement in that time that I've come out, completely transitioned, and am planning on surgery. I think the procedures as they exist now, when performed by the best surgeons, will be about everything we could ever hope for.
If you're waiting for lab grown penises like I've heard some guys want, I know nothing about it. I imagine we would be the last in line to get them if they worked out.
Well its a bit like predicting the future by looking in the rearview mirror.
Nobody would have predicted computer tech ... the internet ... etc.
Of course nobody knows for sure.
But there might be a few new techs like welding nerve cells ...
electro magnetic fields to help grow tissue ...
and further applications not yet widely talked about.
So imo there is hope for the future.
Of course its everybodys decision to wait ... or not ...
hugs
Quote from: Laura_7 on March 02, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
Well its a bit like predicting the future by looking in the rearview mirror.
Nobody would have predicted computer tech ... the internet ... etc.
Of course nobody knows for sure.
But there might be a few new techs like welding nerve cells ...
electro magnetic fields to help grow tissue ...
and further applications not yet widely talked about.
So imo there is hope for the future.
Of course its everybodys decision to wait ... or not ...
hugs
I have faith in science just as well as God. Their medical and scientific break throughs and discoveries excite me very much. I am especially interested in plastic surgery and GRS. I wish I had the brains to be a scientist or some sort of surgeon.
Quote from: Laura_7 on March 02, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
Nobody would have predicted computer tech ... the internet ... etc.
Nah, my dad actually predicted the internet way before it really did show up. Nobody believed him at the time though.
Quote from: FTMax on February 27, 2016, 09:28:58 AM
The clitoris is homologous to the penis, so I imagine it could potentially be applied to FTMs - but as you said, I don't think we are the intended beneficiaries of this research, so even if it were possible, I think we would be the last in line to benefit from it.
I thought of the same thing, but a clitoris does not equal to an entire penis, so unless they grew a very large clitoris and then did some sort of metoidioplasty using that, you couldn't really grow a penis from it. Even if they did it this way, I don't think there's a guarantee it would work alright in the first place (talking about nerves and stuff here), not to mention it wouldn't work exactly like a cis male's penis (you still need ball implants, can't produce sperm, etc). Then again, I'm not that well informed when it comes to medical things, so for all I know I could be wrong.
Quote from: Kanzaki on March 04, 2016, 03:02:00 PM
Nah, my dad actually predicted the internet way before it really did show up. Nobody believed him at the time though.
I realized writing only very few people would have been better.
So I kind of expected this :)
Well tbh there were a few signs if people were in the know.
Like modem communications becoming more widespread... it was still computer to computer at some point...
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I thought of the same thing, but a clitoris does not equal to an entire penis, so unless they grew a very large clitoris and then did some sort of metoidioplasty using that, you couldn't really grow a penis from it. Even if they did it this way, I don't think there's a guarantee it would work alright in the first place (talking about nerves and stuff here), not to mention it wouldn't work exactly like a cis male's penis (you still need ball implants, can't produce sperm, etc). Then again, I'm not that well informed when it comes to medical things, so for all I know I could be wrong.
Well what about a lab grown penis attached to present nerves and tissue ?
lets wait and see :)
*hugs*
Quote from: Laura_7 on March 04, 2016, 03:21:14 PM
Well what about a lab grown penis attached to present nerves and tissue ?
I mentioned that in a comment somewhere at the beginning. It won't be possible due to the extremely high risk of rejection. The only time it wouldn't be rejected (I think it's possible for it to still be rejected, but much less likely) is if it's your own cells, which is why they're developing it for cis men who lost their penis in accidents and the like.
Edit: I remember multiple articles specifically saying it would not be possible for FTMs due to this.
Quote from: Kanzaki on March 04, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
I mentioned that in a comment somewhere at the beginning. It won't be possible due to the extremely high risk of rejection. The only time it wouldn't be rejected (I think it's possible for it to still be rejected, but much less likely) is if it's your own cells, which is why they're developing it for cis men who lost their penis in accidents and the like.
Edit: I remember multiple articles specifically saying it would not be possible for FTMs due to this.
A lab grown penis infers to me it would not be rejected.
Otherwise it would not make sense to grow one.
There are lab grown vaginas already, which are not rejected.
*hugs*
Maybe 3D printing techniques will advance.
http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v32/n8/full/nbt.2958.html (http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v32/n8/full/nbt.2958.html)
http://www.3dbioprintingconference.com (http://www.3dbioprintingconference.com)
Quote from: Laura_7 on March 04, 2016, 06:39:47 PM
A lab grown penis infers to me it would not be rejected.
Otherwise it would not make sense to grow one.
There are lab grown vaginas already, which are not rejected.
I had a look at the articles, and it did say the risk of rejection is eliminated, however that is only in the case of cis males. I'm by far not an expert, but I'd say that if someone had a male sibling, they could theoretically attempt to do it using his cells. I'm guessing there could be a problem regarding reproduction though, since the person would then probably have the DNA of their sibling there. They didn't mention anything about siblings in the articles though, it's just my personal opinion. It'll be a while before they'll be transplanting entire penises onto humans though, so I suppose we'll see when they do get to it.