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South Carolina sheriff says he would 'whip' trans woman in restroom

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/04/south-carolina-sheriff-says-he-would-whip-trans-woman-in-restroom/

LGBTQ Nation/By Bill Browning Friday, April 15, 2016

"Video of Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright speaking at the Greenville-Spartanburg Republican Women's meeting shows the county's top law enforcement officer threatening bodily harm to any transgender women who uses the ladies' restroom in his presence. The video was posted by a conservative podcaster and shows the sheriff discussing South Carolina's proposed ban on public accommodations nondiscrimination protections for transgender people."

You really have to wonder where this insane hatred comes from.

It would take a good psychologist to explain it.  It's bad when hate and politics mix, as is happening now in the USA.

LIFE and Civil Rights: Segregation in 1956 South Carolina

http://time.com/3636362/life-and-civil-rights-segregation-in-1956-south-carolina/

Time/Ben Cosgrove  Feb. 1, 2012

"In late 1956, over the course of several months, LIFE published what the magazine itself described as "a series of major articles on the background of the crisis brought about by the school segregation decision [Brown v. Board of Education] of the Supreme Court. . . "

Since it's being sponsored by evangelical Christian groups across the country you don't have to wonder for very long.


Sapere Aude

I saw that today. This stuff makes me sick. Once long ago the Mobile, Alabama police took me in custody, back seat of their car for 30 minutes & threatened to put me in jail with their bad men. If you want to become a woman, these men will have a go at you......they will have fun with you & we will let them. Damn this is bad for everyone, enough already. I was just dressed nice in a public park, not bothering anyone....just enjoying the park & pigeons.

Quote from: Ms Grace on April 16, 2016, 07:22:17 AM
You really have to wonder where this insane hatred comes from.

It's bad over here. Maybe your country is more accepting but not in South, USA.

We shall overcome.

Quote from: SophieD on April 16, 2016, 09:00:49 AM
We shall overcome.

yes, sister

It sounds like some kind of insane witch hunt.

Hang on, what's he doing hanging out in the ladies room?

... oh wait, he admits to cross dressing later on in the piece, and doing a bad job of it...

He's just jealous.

Some of these police "ppl" are just down right mean. I've dealt with a lot of them.

Quote from: Ms Grace on April 16, 2016, 07:22:17 AM
You really have to wonder where this insane hatred comes from.

I have to wonder why Sheriff Wright would be in there for me to use it in his presence.

Quote from: Ms Grace on April 16, 2016, 07:22:17 AM
You really have to wonder where this insane hatred comes from.

I think I'm going to rant for a while on the subject 'cause I'm bored, pay no attention!

I think it's a combination of paternalistic sexism (notice how he said men's room vs girl's room), a perceived threat to their masculinity (giving up being a male to try and be a female? preposterous!), and possibly a threat to their sexuality (if they're attracted to a trans-woman but still consider that person male). When they feel that any of these 3 things are under threat they respond in one of the few ways they know how, with violence.

To go deeper into that mentality, and at the risk of projecting my own issues onto them, they've been told who they're supposed to be, who they're supposed to love, and how they're supposed to act, for their entire lives. To introduce free thinking to them, or to give them that level of agency over their own lives, would create too much potential for regret. Regret in how they've treated innocent people in the past, wasted time being who they don't want to be, or avoided something that would otherwise be important to them. It would introduce the possibility that they're an awful person, and it would put their soul at risk of eternal damnation.

Ever tried to have a discussion with one of these kinds of people about morality? They simply can't comprehend how anybody can be moral without basing that morality on the ten commandments or similar religious doctrines. Or, at the very least, the rule of law (drugs are bad, mmmkay? they're bad because they're illegal, and they're illegal because they're bad), because they've allowed themselves to be told how to think their entire lives. Evidence or experienced based world views are dangerous to them, and anybody who doesn't share their views and adopt them through the same methods are necessarily immoral. And so why would an immoral person want to use the women's bathroom? For no good reason, that's why. Deviancy is the only possible explanation for them.

If you were to start tugging at any of the 3 threads I listed at the beginning of this rant you'll completely unravel a person like him. The older they are the more difficult it becomes to face reality from the sort of brainwashing they've endured, the more baggage there is, and the less likely they are to apply any amount of critical thinking to their lives. They'll go to the grave first, which is why we basically just have to wait for them to die out.

I think they can make limited concessions in some cases, basically compartmentalizing doing the right thing yet maintaining their twisted world-view, if someone they really love creates a moral dilemma for them. Sometimes they'll react even worse because the threat hits so much closer to home, but there is the potential for a "freedom for me but not for thee" style mentality (well it's okay if my family member has an abortion because it's a special circumstance, but nobody else should be able to) or even allow a single, narrowly defined view to evolve a bit (well my daughter is a lesbian, which I guess is sort of okay. I mean, gay people are still gross but I guess as long as they're not hurting anyone).

And there you have the modern day bigot and how they rationalize that bigotry. Or at least, that's what -I- think is going on.

Here's some pretty music :) https://youtu.be/WmvVUYWySKU

Quote from: IdontEven on April 16, 2016, 11:26:14 AM
(notice how he said men's room vs girl's room)

Yeah, he calls women "chicks" at a women's meeting, too.  ::)

I'm sure this sheriff is proud of himself for being a big bad "pee pee cop". Maybe we should all go back 100 years like he's trying to do. Tar & feather him & throw him out of town....

Quote from: IdontEven on April 16, 2016, 11:26:14 AM
The older they are the more difficult it becomes to face reality from the sort of brainwashing they've endured, the more baggage there is, and the less likely they are to apply any amount of critical thinking to their lives. They'll go to the grave first, which is why we basically just have to wait for them to die out.

Granted I am getting older myself, but I don't think the bigotry is correlated with age.  There are lots and lots of transphobic younger people (and lots of allies of transgender people who are older).  I wish it were so simple, but I don't think that bigotry just dies out, whether is is transphobia, racism, antisemitism, or you name it.

I know one place. Nobody is born hating or even knowing the difference between boy and girl so it has to be a learned experience. Like driving in a new city you get lost and confused. Once you get accustomed, you wonder what all the fuss was about. They are scared not of you but of themselves. Afraid they might discover they have dysphoria too.

This guy is just a stupid red neck old country sheriff.......with a loud mouth.

Quote from: IdontEven on April 16, 2016, 11:26:14 AMThey'll go to the grave first, which is why we basically just have to wait for them to die out.

I think you hit the nail on the head.  Sometimes, when dealing with dinosaurs, the best you can do is to pray that the comet gets here soon.

Quote from: Ms Grace on April 16, 2016, 07:22:17 AM
You really have to wonder where this insane hatred comes from.

Severe mental illness.

Quote from: KathyLauren on April 16, 2016, 08:04:19 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head.  Sometimes, when dealing with dinosaurs, the best you can do is to pray that the comet gets here soon.

As long as it doesn't take the rest of us out in the process...

Quote from: SophieD on April 16, 2016, 05:20:28 PM
Granted I am getting older myself, but I don't think the bigotry is correlated with age.  There are lots and lots of transphobic younger people (and lots of allies of transgender people who are older).  I wish it were so simple, but I don't think that bigotry just dies out, whether is is transphobia, racism, antisemitism, or you name it.

I never meant to imply that bigotry is strictly correlated with age, nor did I intend to malign peoples of advanced age in general. I apologize for having done so and for any offense I've caused.

If I may offer an explanation as to what I DID mean, it is my experience that the older you are the greater the tendency to become more set in your ways and resistant to change. Young people are also perfectly capable of making up their minds and refusing to be swayed on an issue. But if you've made an effort to continue learning and evolving, if you reassess long held beliefs in the light of new evidence, then you probably will not stagnate intellectually.

I do not believe this sheriff does any of these things. I believe his world view was established during childhood, in church, and has changed very little since its initial formation. In such a case, with each passing year the odds decrease that he will suddenly become an enlightened individual that has compassion and empathy beyond his own nose.

That's all wild speculation though. I might be completely wrong and he may be a giant teddy bear up close who is perfectly willing to educate himself or be educated on issues of which he's ignorant. Such as when he conflated gay and trans, or the way he seemingly considers trans-women to be men, or the socially tone-deaf joke about the closet not having a door in 20 years, all the while using threats of violence to encourage trans people to stay in the closet.

Or maybe we're completely misreading what he meant? Maybe he meant that the only thing he would have a problem with is if someone who considers themselves to be a man entered the women's restroom, and he's actually a trans supporter who thinks people should use the bathroom that corresponds with their gender identities.

Quote from: Laura_Squirrel on April 16, 2016, 08:22:34 PM
Severe mental illness.

In defense of the mentally ill, that doesn't necessitate being an awful person. Some of the sweetest people I know are mentally ill. I know I do my best to, at the very least, not make the world a worse place to live in, though I may be failing miserably at that.

Either way, here's some more pretty music :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ItHLz5WEA

So, he's gone on record admitting he'd break the law and commit assault. As an officer of the law, next time he's in court accused of doing just that how is he credibly going to deny it?

And how many people has he already assaulted and the court took his word over theirs? Time for some retrials perhaps.

And how is he managing to keep his job? There's probably a lot of people in power supporting him and his views.

Quote from: AnonyMs on April 17, 2016, 12:33:05 AM
As an officer of the law, next time he's in court accused of doing just that how is he credibly going to deny it?

Cops are very very rarely convicted, even with overwhelming evidence stacked against them.

Quote from: sparrow on April 17, 2016, 12:52:44 AM
Cops are very very rarely convicted, even with overwhelming evidence stacked against them.

I'd hope that's a separate issue, though I don't suppose it is. He shouldn't be able to provide evidence to convict anyone from this point on.

What a mess the whole bathroom laws, ppl like this....maybe things will change one day.....

If anyone sincerely wants to engage with him in a polite attempt to educate him, PM me and I'll send you his email address. (If you just want to tell him what a jerk he is, etc., please don't ask. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthefiringline.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fsmile.gif&hash=2c5a4907e2673dfa63557696254abe82f5c9641e) )

Never bring an umbrella to a coyote fight.

'splain this to me, please!  :laugh:

Quote from: Tysilio on April 17, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
If anyone sincerely wants to engage with him in a polite attempt to educate him, PM me and I'll send you his email address. (If you just want to tell him what a jerk he is, etc., please don't ask. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthefiringline.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fsmile.gif&hash=2c5a4907e2673dfa63557696254abe82f5c9641e) )

I'd like to meet him face to face & tell him what a jerk he is...........Since the beginning of time some humans are not 100% male or female.   

Quote from: Tysilio on April 17, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
If anyone sincerely wants to engage with him in a polite attempt to educate him, PM me and I'll send you his email address. (If you just want to tell him what a jerk he is, etc., please don't ask. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthefiringline.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fsmile.gif&hash=2c5a4907e2673dfa63557696254abe82f5c9641e) )

Mr. Tysilio: If you want for all of us & the world start a new thread & post this man's email address so all the members can see. There are members all over the world that would like to express their opinion I'm sure, most would be a lot nicer than me. Thanks for your post & take care. All any of us want to do is have a safe place to take a pee you know. We never bother other people.... Thanks again.

Sorry, FrancisAnn, but I'm not going to post it on a public site. I wouldn't feel right about that.

We're no different -- I too just want a safe place to pee, and I have no prospect of getting my birth certificate changed any time soon. The legislature in my state is also considering one of these bills, although our governor has promised to veto it.

Quote from: Devlyn MarieNever bring an umbrella to a coyote fight.

'splain this to me, please!  :laugh:

"Devlyn, it means what you want it to mean..."  said Tysilio meanly. 

Not much to 'splain, really -- I was reading about coyote/dog fights the other day (I'm hoping to adopt a dog, and he just got into one, so I'm waiting for him to heal), and someone was talking about trying to break one up while armed only with an umbrella. This just sort of popped into my head, and I decided I liked it.

What can I say, I have a taste for strange humor:

Q: How many Dadaists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: To get to the other side.

pihw

The sheriff is just another product of a transphobic culture.  He's just embraced the transphobia to a more unhealthy degree.  One has to wonder what he is compensating for, to appoint himself as Guardian Of The Restroom...