Clinton Campaign Posts Inclusive Pride Message
http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/6/26/clinton-campaign-posts-inclusive-pride-message-video
The Advocate/BY LUCAS GRINDLEY JUNE 26 2016 3:54 PM EDT
"Pride gave another reason to reiterate the "Stronger Together" slogan."
Yeah right..I don't believe the Clintons on anything especially over this issue..did you all know the Clintons take in millions from people who hate the lbgt communities and want to see us dead. Go to Saudi Arabia sometime and see how they treat us which is far worse then what women face. The shooter in Orlando was a gun toting democrat who pledge alligence to Isis and hates the lbgt community,now we are being told by democrats that the republican party was responsible for this which I find ludicrous. I'm a gun toting conservative republican who will defend those who chose not to defend themselves.
I believe that Hilary will help our cause more than Trump. However, Trump will make our country safer overall from foreign threats.
Quote from: cheryl reeves on June 27, 2016, 01:59:17 PM
Yeah right..I don't believe the Clintons on anything especially over this issue..did you all know the Clintons take in millions from people who hate the lbgt communities and want to see us dead. Go to Saudi Arabia sometime and see how they treat us which is far worse then what women face. The shooter in Orlando was a gun toting democrat who pledge alligence to Isis and hates the lbgt community,now we are being told by democrats that the republican party was responsible for this which I find ludicrous. I'm a gun toting conservative republican who will defend those who chose not to defend themselves.
Yes, just explain how she can be for women and LGBT people when she has taken millions of dollars from countries that suppress those people and views.
Quote from: ChasingAlice on June 30, 2016, 10:58:48 PM
I believe that Hilary will help our cause more than Trump. However, Trump will make our country safer overall from foreign threats.
I too believe that Trump is the best choice to keep our country safe and to put a control on our rising national debt.
Personally, I think our financial, defense, and foreign policy problems are insoluble at this point. The question for me then largely involves civil liberties while we decline, and I have objections to both on various grounds, but I do appreciate the gesture.
I've got other issues, but I'll take what I can get here.
I tell people if you like Hillary so much go visit those countries the Clintons are receiving money from and how they treat transgender people and when you come back you will be a Donald Trump supporter.
Call me crazy, but I care more about how LGBTQ individuals are treated here in States than over seas. I want to be able to use the damn bathroom, so Hilary is getting my vote.
Trump has an immigrant for his wife (who plagiarized the First Lady) and he hates immigrants. Total WTF!
Well Michelle Obama plagiarized parts of her speech just like her husband Barry Soetoro. Hillary is supported by people who hates the lbgtq and surrounds herself with people who also don't like us. I would rather have Donald Trump then a candidate who can't pass a background check. Think before you vote for her and look at her background that would get most of us life in prison.
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Mariah
Yeeeep.
Looks like someone's fishin' for votes.
Yeeeep.
Quite frankly I don't believe anyone running for president. Every event that's happening to us or foreigners, etc, is basic a bait trap to make either canidates look good now by supporting or by rejecting. Either way, if they "suddenly" seem like they are supporting us, please believe the chances are mighty high they will helicopter the other way once the cost is clear for the becoming president.
I don't believe they are looking out for anyone's interests whatsoever, so it's even more important, as much a possible, that we look out for our interests as individuals and a whole.
Well as an outsider I must admit the differing positions from the two candidates are a bit worrying. (From an Australian point of view).
Over the last 90 odd years every time the US has asked Australia for assistance on foreign wars e.g. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea etc), Australia has always been there standing shoulder to shoulder with the US, often the first and sometimes the only country to fight alongside the US (Vietrnam is a case in point, where only last year I was in New York and someone was really surprised that Australia had lost a lot of lives fighting in Vietnam as they thought only the US fought there)). Australia and the US are very tightly linked - just look at the RIMPAC USN/USMC and Australia Defence execerise happening right now off Pearl Harbour. The US is now Australia;s biggest partner.
Trade, Pharmaceuticals, Defence - just about everything you can think, Australia is very US Centric. But then I look at what both US Candidates stand on this special relationship. For instance we now have a whole USMC Amphib Readiness group based in Australia, US Airforce regulary using our Defence Training grounds. All our Armoured vehicles - MiA1 come from the US. Our Airforce fly FA18 Hornets and Super Hornets etc
Now of course I may be ill-informed, but from where I sit the rhetoric tends to suggest that the Trump (and now yesterday the Republican Party stands for US isolationistism i.e. retreating back to only focus on US internal issues.
On the other hand I see Clinton talking about Pacific engagement, more focus on Womens and LGBT issues, better trade and so on.
Then we hear every day on TV in Australia the Trump announcements about Immigrants, Mexicans, Border fence etc and last night I even listed to a speech from the National Rifle Association speaker at the Republican convention talking about more citizens should be armed to better protect the streets in the US, whereas there was a Police Chief who stated that when a policeman confronts someone that has been stopped on a DUI or traffic stop and are confronted with an openly displayed weapon (even if it is legally held, they need to shoot first and ask questions later). Here in OZ every police officer whether State or Federal is armed, but no citizen has the right to openly carry arms, so they know that anyone the police see with a weapon (except in the prairie (what we call the bush on farms etc) is very likely to be a felon.
No the funny thing, is that here in Australia I always vote what would be the Republican Party (here is National Liberal Coalition), yet from where I stand (and admittedly its just my view from what I hear on Television and online), it appears hat the Democrats are a more socially inclusive, more internationally focussed and more supportive of all people across the US.
Obviously I don't have the ability to vote in the US, but as a woman I would be placing my vote with the Democrats as I believe that from what I see their policies are more likely to keep me safe (I do travel to the US every few years).
But basically the Democrats Left /Union centric views would normally be an anathema to my social positiionng.
What worries me most I think is that the GOP used to stand for all US Citizens with more centrist views, yet Trump and some sections of the Tea Party have pulled the GOP party sharply to the right, whereas Clinton has moved to the centre effectively occupying the Centre of US Politics.
Funnily enough I read an article somewhere just recently that the Trump candidature is actually a big plot by the Clintons (remember Trump used to be best buddies with the Clintons) to stand and effectively lose and in the process destroy the Republican party. Its almost certainly rubbish, but my concern is that if he falls to get elected, this is exactly what may happen to the GOP.
Just an Australian's observations.
Judith
Quote from: judithlynn on July 21, 2016, 02:23:50 AM
No the funny thing, is that here in Australia I always vote what would be the Republican Party (here is National Liberal Coalition), yet from where I stand (and admittedly its just my view from what I hear on Television and online), it appears hat the Democrats are a more socially inclusive, more internationally focussed and more supportive of all people across the US.
Obviously I don't have the ability to vote in the US, but as a woman I would be placing my vote with the Democrats as I believe that from what I see their policies are more likely to keep me safe (I do travel to the US every few years).
But basically the Democrats Left /Union centric views would normally be an anathema to my social positiionng.
What worries me most I think is that the GOP used to stand for all US Citizens with more centrist views, yet Trump and some sections of the Tea Party have pulled the GOP party sharply to the right, whereas Clinton has moved to the centre effectively occupying the Centre of US Politics.
Funnily enough I read an article somewhere just recently that the Trump candidature is actually a big plot by the Clintons (remember Trump used to be best buddies with the Clintons) to stand and effectively lose and in the process destroy the Republican party. Its almost certainly rubbish, but my concern is that if he falls to get elected, this is exactly what may happen to the GOP.
Just an Australian's observations.
Judith
I focusing more on the later portion of your reply, but this actually why I don't like either canidate. Without 100% proof (I wish I had it), I have a terrible feeling that Trump is just the "funny guy". His participation since day one has always been odd to me, and the things he talks about has always felt to good to be true OR, like he's purposely trying to make himself look dumb to make Hilary look better. Seeing how for some amount of time presidents don't always have the citizens interests in mind, and that when something disasterous such as the horrific incident in Orlando and much more we don't know about, it's just seeming like the are trying to cash in on people who don't know any better and are in a desperate situation seeking change to improve their lives.
One of my slight fears is this; If we elect either of these people for president, WHO will ACTUALLY do what they said the would for the people? AND, hearing all I have been hearing lately, is it even a good idea for them to do most of these things? If these people get in office, and we realise they are lying and do a complete 180 on everything they have said, what are the chances of having them impeached successfully if we are unhappy? I have a concern that if all the "wrong" people get in office, it will be much harder to get them out than before.
Everyone has a right to live here, feel represented and supported, have healthcare, live in reduced violent neighborhoods and trully feel like this is the right place to be. But if the majority the public is swinging one way and they are most represented and it turns out the wrong person is in office, then those of us on the other side may have trouble making our voice heard, when the others are completely content.
This candidacy is really hitting home on issues the affect us, LGBT+, but also everyone else. But how we, the community are treated will inadvertantly effect all others in the long run.
*pardon any missing or mispelled words. Sometimes my brain goes faster than my fingers.
Quote from: cheryl reeves on June 27, 2016, 01:59:17 PM
Yeah right..I don't believe the Clintons on anything especially over this issue..did you all know the Clintons take in millions from people who hate the lbgt communities and want to see us dead. Go to Saudi Arabia sometime and see how they treat us which is far worse then what women face. The shooter in Orlando was a gun toting democrat who pledge alligence to Isis and hates the lbgt community,now we are being told by democrats that the republican party was responsible for this which I find ludicrous. I'm a gun toting conservative republican who will defend those who chose not to defend themselves.
Your completely 100% correct on this my dear I have been trying to tell EVERYONE I can about this because it directly affects US as a community!!! Gary Johnson is who I'm voting for!!!! Look at his stance on everything!!!
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
And I do NOT believe its a vote for Hillary or Trump as this is who I WANT for President. Abraham Lincoln was a protested vote and look how that turned out!! Dump Trump and Drown HILLARY!
Quote from: judithlynn on July 21, 2016, 02:23:50 AM
Well as an outsider I must admit the differing positions from the two candidates are a bit worrying. (From an Australian point of view).
Over the last 90 odd years every time the US has asked Australia for assistance on foreign wars e.g. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea etc), Australia has always been there standing shoulder to shoulder with the US, often the first and sometimes the only country to fight alongside the US (Vietrnam is a case in point, where only last year I was in New York and someone was really surprised that Australia had lost a lot of lives fighting in Vietnam as they thought only the US fought there)). Australia and the US are very tightly linked - just look at the RIMPAC USN/USMC and Australia Defence execerise happening right now off Pearl Harbour. The US is now Australia;s biggest partner.
Trade, Pharmaceuticals, Defence - just about everything you can think, Australia is very US Centric. But then I look at what both US Candidates stand on this special relationship. For instance we now have a whole USMC Amphib Readiness group based in Australia, US Airforce regulary using our Defence Training grounds. All our Armoured vehicles - MiA1 come from the US. Our Airforce fly FA18 Hornets and Super Hornets etc
Now of course I may be ill-informed, but from where I sit the rhetoric tends to suggest that the Trump (and now yesterday the Republican Party stands for US isolationistism i.e. retreating back to only focus on US internal issues.
On the other hand I see Clinton talking about Pacific engagement, more focus on Womens and LGBT issues, better trade and so on.
Then we hear every day on TV in Australia the Trump announcements about Immigrants, Mexicans, Border fence etc and last night I even listed to a speech from the National Rifle Association speaker at the Republican convention talking about more citizens should be armed to better protect the streets in the US, whereas there was a Police Chief who stated that when a policeman confronts someone that has been stopped on a DUI or traffic stop and are confronted with an openly displayed weapon (even if it is legally held, they need to shoot first and ask questions later). Here in OZ every police officer whether State or Federal is armed, but no citizen has the right to openly carry arms, so they know that anyone the police see with a weapon (except in the prairie (what we call the bush on farms etc) is very likely to be a felon.
No the funny thing, is that here in Australia I always vote what would be the Republican Party (here is National Liberal Coalition), yet from where I stand (and admittedly its just my view from what I hear on Television and online), it appears hat the Democrats are a more socially inclusive, more internationally focussed and more supportive of all people across the US.
Obviously I don't have the ability to vote in the US, but as a woman I would be placing my vote with the Democrats as I believe that from what I see their policies are more likely to keep me safe (I do travel to the US every few years).
But basically the Democrats Left /Union centric views would normally be an anathema to my social positiionng.
What worries me most I think is that the GOP used to stand for all US Citizens with more centrist views, yet Trump and some sections of the Tea Party have pulled the GOP party sharply to the right, whereas Clinton has moved to the centre effectively occupying the Centre of US Politics.
Funnily enough I read an article somewhere just recently that the Trump candidature is actually a big plot by the Clintons (remember Trump used to be best buddies with the Clintons) to stand and effectively lose and in the process destroy the Republican party. Its almost certainly rubbish, but my concern is that if he falls to get elected, this is exactly what may happen to the GOP.
Just an Australian's observations.
Judith
Hey sweetie I gotta respond to this just in particular about our NRA and gunlaws. I live in the state of Missouri. In Kansas City Missouri I can OPENLY carry a firearm without a permit. Do I do that? Hell no! Should I carry a gun concealed HELL YES! In regards to people getting pulled over, alcohol/drugs and guns don't mix and they are breaking a MAJOR rule in gun safety! I choose not to drink because I believe alcohol is poison for the body with the exception to wine but again I don't drink but very very rarely. No one will ever change our stance on gun ownership. No one has the right to tell me what I'm allowed to defend myself with. People think the Ar15 platform is a military grade weapon. It is NOT even close to a military grade weapon, and even if it was its no more destructive than me driving my car into someones house or running people over with an object that keeps going and doesnt consume ammunition. I don't think people should have cars that go over 60mph because they're dangerous and there are too many irresponsible people who get behind the wheel and cause accidents and death. I was in the funeral industry for 3 years and I have buried a lot of people. And you are correct on relations to the United States working with Australia that goes back to Ww2 and I know this because my grandfather was a Marine on Iwo Jima, actually celebrated his 21st birthday on the island in the middle of defeating the Japanese who were heading straight for you! :) The point I am trying to make is you should not be afraid of those of us who choose to support our 2nd Amendment. I'm responsible and safe with my firearms and most of my friends don't even know I have guns. My daughter doesnt know I have them and I will keep it that way for a very long long time. Great post I enjoyed reading your response! :)
Jenn
Geez ok here's my $0.02.
First, check facts - the Clinton FOUNDATION took donations from the Saudis and other Arab states. It's no news that Bill Clinton has been a shameless self-promoter and he was far from my favorite president - in terms of economics and financial policy he was awful and was well known to trade on access. Both Bushes were far more tightly allied with the Saudis and that was while they were in office.
I've never in my life voted my wallet over my conscience fortunately with Obama I could vote both for a change. With the abysmal track record of the Republicans on both national security and economic policy over the last 2 decades there is no way I would vote for Trump. So much as I can't say I like Hillary, she'll get my vote and it will be in good conscience.
Barack was another matter. He had my full support the moment he spoke the word transgender in front of the cameras at hrc/LOGO in 2007. Not a T following 'LGB', he said the word and because of that I volunteered for the campaign for two weeks in Ohio. That election was called as I was nearing the PA border on my way back home where I would be at work for a bunch of homophobic Republicans at 9am the next morning following a 10 hour drive (yes Massachusetts has homophobia).
I'm proud that we took Ohio and glad that we've had two terms of Barack (I volunteered for the campaign again in 2012). Lgbt people weren't very happy with him in '08 for being only willing to support civil unions, not gay marriage. I didn't and don't hold that against him any more than I do the fact that he's not been able to effect the change we need in agriculture policy -- Iowa and other ag states are too much of a powerful voting block in the Senate.
From my point of view the 2003 Massachusetts sjc decision establishing gay marriage in my state cost us a second term of Bush -- a terrible price and there were certainly immediate recriminations due to fears for the '04 election that proved well founded. My belief is you take progress where you can get it and having worked for gay marriage I was glad to see it come.
Hillary was weak on lgbt rights in 2008 and if she's better today, it's because of ground that's been cleared by 8 years of Obama and a substantial push from the left from Sanders.
I don't completely trust Clinton either because I know corruption exists in her foundation. However, at least something is coming from it. Sure, the end doesn't necessarily justify the means, but I'd rather have it this way than have terrible means with a terrible end. I know corruption isn't just on the Clinton side either. I'll go for the lesser of two evils concerning that point. When the election is this terrible, my last resort is to look out for what benefits me the most. Otherwise I am just throwing my own goals of transitioning safely into the garbage bin.
Sure, Clinton. I suspect you may be pandering to me. At least someone is going that far.
Hi Jenn;
Thanks for your very interesting reply.
A couple of comments. I just looked up Wikipedia and it says that :The AR-15 is a lightweight, intermediate cartridge magazine-fed, air-cooled rifle with a rotating lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas-operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It has been produced in many different configurations, including semi-automatic. The prototype AR-15 rifle was designed by ArmaLite as a selective fire weapon for military purposes. Today, the AR-15 and its variations are manufactured by many companies and are popular among civilians and law enforcement forces around the world due to their accuracy.
In Australia, Firearm control was in place prior to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. In the 18 years before the 1996 massacre, there were 13 other gun rampages resulting in 102 deaths.
In 1996 Prime Minister Howard lead reforms to restrict a variety of firearm classes including high capacity semi-automatic rifles and pump action shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. He did this by threatening the states with a constitutional amendment to give power over gun control to the federal government. (a constitutional amendment would require the support of a majority of voters, as well as a majority of voters in a majority of the states), as well as threatening reductions in federal funding, if they did not pass the laws he demanded. They all complied. The Australian government also bought back guns from people. In 1996-2003 it was estimated they bought back and destroyed nearly 1 million firearms.(including mine!)
Fairlly recently the Australian Institute of Criminology found, more than 90 percent of firearm homicides in Australia were committed by persons using illegally owned firearms.
As I am sure you know, The United States has the highest rate of gun related deaths per capita among developed countries, though it also has the highest rate of gun ownership among civilians.
Since 1996, in Australia the number of deaths related to gun related violence has dwindled every year. In 1979 six hundred and eighty-five people died due to gun violence, and in 1996 it was five hundred and sixteen. Since then, the numbers just continues to drop. In 2011 just one hundred and eighty-eight deaths, and more recently in 2014, two hundred and thirty deaths.
What is not well understood though in the US is that Australia has not banned all guns. Gun laws in Australia are enforced at the federal level primarily through customs controls and at State level in all other forms of control. Gun ownership is accessible to the civilian population, but owners must have 'genuine reasons' to obtain a Permit to Acquire from their State government. For rifles, genuine reasons focus on either hunting and/or sport/target shooting, and do not include personal protection. Handgun licences are also available, and applied for separately. In New South Wales, and similarly in other states, firearm ownership is widely prohibited for convicted offenders or those with a history of mental illness, with mandatory police checks. Gun licences must be renewed either annually or every 5 years, and expire automatically if not renewed.
The legal age to obtain a firearms licence is 18 years in all Australian states. Minors may hold a Minor's Permit allowing them to use a firearm under adult supervision. In most states the minimum age for holding a Minor's Permit is 12 years. In most states holders of a Minor's Permit are allowed to use a firearm only on an approved shooting range between the ages of 12 and 16 years but are allowed to hunt under direct supervision of a licensed adult between the ages of 16 and 18 years.
One other thing is that unlike the US, it is compulsory that we have to vote. Failure to vote means a fine. You can always vote for an imaginary person e.g. Mickey mouse as a spoiled ballot paper, but you must attend and place something in the ballot box.
PS By the way I am not advocating gun laws as personally I used to own a multi action shotgun (before I was compelled by the Australian legislation to sell it back to the Government).
Judith
Judith, limiting the information pool to "deveoped nations" seriously skews the numbers. This is the overall gun death list. Central and South America are areas to be avoided. Our death rate in the US is not alarming at all compared to theirs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Hugs, Devlyn
There is one other little tuth (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425021/australia-gun-control-obama-america) about the gun ban.
Evelyn and Dena;
Many thanks for your clarifications. Interestingly I feel less safe in my house, especially recently in Victoria, since I no longer have my pump action shotgun at home. The reason for my concern is that in the last 4 months we have had the rise of Home invasions by some Teenage gangs (mostly Somali and other refugees and some recent immigrants) . Basically they have been breaking in, terrorising the owners and stealing the keys to high value cars. They have also been doing bump and steel (Bumping people from behind whilst driving, then when the driver gets out to look at the damage, threatening the driver and occupants and stealing the cars. Luckily so far no one has been killed but a few people have been injured and ended up in hospital. Not surprisingly there has been a run on baseball bats from sports shops as Home protection devices. The police though have told homeowners not to use such devices as its more than likely that the intruders will fight back with knives or guns, extending the violence. They just advocate ringing 000.
I think I will be getting a Baseball bat and beefing up my Alarm system.
Judith
Develyn;
I see what you mean by those numbers. It seems like the only real safe place in the Americas is Canada. Just looking at the numbers in your reference list - lowest to highest gun related deaths per 100K citizens its very telling comparing to Australia gun deaths
Canada - 1.97
Chile-1.95
Barbados -3.12
Nicaragua - 4.68
Paraguay -4.64
Argentina -6.36
Mexico 7.64
Costa Rica - 7.50
USA -10.54
Uruguay - 11.52
El Salvador 26.77
Guatemala - 34.10
etc
Remind me never to go to Central America Although Mexico actually doesn't look took bad - I thought it was a pretty dangerous place from all the Newspaper reports of Drug gang murders and had crossed it off my Holiday vacation list!.
Judith
Quote from: mac1 on June 30, 2016, 11:25:13 PM
I too believe that Trump is the best choice to keep our country safe and to put a control on our rising national debt.
I dont like either one of them. I am seriously considering voting third party or writing in Bernie Sanders.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 03, 2016, 10:32:56 PM
Judith, limiting the information pool to "deveoped nations" seriously skews the numbers. This is the overall gun death list. Central and South America are areas to be avoided. Our death rate in the US is not alarming at all compared to theirs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Hugs, Devlyn
If that doesn't show the liberal side the truth I don't honestly see any other way. Even that 10.64 statistic can be cut at to make even smaller without effecting current gun legislation. It's clearly a chip at our rights which all of us lgbt are looking for anyways. We need to be on the same page with common sense amendments.
Having lower gun related deaths than Guatemala, Panama, and El Salvador is not really something to brag about.
I'm no rabid anti-gun advocate, but we do have a problem. Wishing it away doesn't make it disappear.
I've also lived in both Germany and South Korea where gun deaths are much lower than ours and yes, being out in public there feels much different and much safer than in the USA. There I could walk about in their largest cities at all hours of the night without worry. We cannot do that here. Being out at night here actually feels a whole lot closer to what it felt like in Kosovo in 1998, yaaaay USA.
Quote from: Deborah on August 09, 2016, 01:06:09 AM
Having lower gun related deaths than Guatemala, Panama, El Salvador is not really something to brag about.
I'm no rabid anti-gun advocate, but we do have a problem. Wishing it away doesn't make it disappear.
I've also lived in both Germany and South Korea where gun deaths are much lower than ours and yes, being out in public there feels much different and much safer than in the USA. There I could walk about in their largest cities at all hours of the night without worry. We cannot do that here. Being out at night here actually feels a whole lot closer to what it felt like in Kosovo in 1998, yaaaay USA.
I agree, we DO have a problem but I think it has more to do with attitudes here in the USA. I hate to say it, but we are a violent people. Canada has a similar amount of guns and nowhere near the violence. I chalk it up to stress, anger, and a political climate that accentuates the worst of our society. People are struggling to make ends meet. No one is secure in their employment and that creates a lot of resentment and anger. Couple that up with booze, drugs and mental illness and its a recipe for disaster.
Yes. And certain segments of our political and spiritual leadership class focuses all their efforts on telling people that it's all the fault of those evil Mexicans, Muslims, and other assorted brown peoples, not to mention the ever present homosexual agenda, rather than actually fixing anything.
Thats because they dont want the government to fix anything. They want everyone to believe that the government is the problem so they do everything in their power to screw the government up. Then when the government cant do its job, they say "see, we told you so, vote for us for less government" and the vicious cycle continues.
90% of that 10.54 is the shooting death rate in Chicago,Chicago is the most dangerous city in America right now. Take Chicago out of the equation and it's around 1.8 but you can lower it even less by taking out police shootings,heck Texas is actually the safest state besides Arizona to live in because of open carry. The liberal agenda is the same agenda Hitler had and Lenin had and it didn't work,the USA was founded as a republic not a democracy and it's sad most people don't know the difference between the two.
Godwin's law ...
Many of the highest death rates are in cities where people can legally carry guns. Chicago is not even close to being the highest death rate. Even Houston, TX is higher.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6018a1.htm
If you look at gun deaths by state, Texas has a higher gun death rate than Illinois. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/Firearm.htm
If you compare Illinois to each Southern state individually, where gun laws are the most free, Illinois still has the lowest rate.
Both Texas and Arizona are in the top half of states with the highest gun death rate. The boogymen of New York, New Jersey, and California are all among the ten states with the lowest gun death rates.
Conclusion . . . Don't listen to propaganda. Do your own research and think for yourself.
Quote from: Deborah on August 09, 2016, 05:10:51 AM
If you look at gun deaths by state, Texas has a higher gun death rate than Illinois. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/Firearm.htm
If you compare Illinois to each Southern state individually, where gun laws are the most free, Illinois still has the lowest rate.
Both Texas and Arizona are in the top half of states with the highest gun death rate. The boogymen of New York, New Jersey, and California are all among the ten states with the lowest gun death rates.
Conclusion . . . Don't listen to propaganda. Do your own research and think for yourself.
Chicago sets the standard for gun deaths,texas isn't even close 28 yrs ago New Orleans was the standard. As for propaganda don't believe in it myself,for in the small town I live in if the cops don'tget you first an armed legal gun owner will,besides where I live most citizens are armed,if a crime happens it happens only in gun free zones. I've lived in Texas since 1978 and never been mugged or shot at and I have been all over Texas. I just don't buy into liberal propaganda for its designed for the government to rule you,when you should be a voice in running the.goverment.
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Just a friendly reminder. Keep it civil please. Thanks
Mariah
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is a reputable source and the data is what the data is.
Very interesting debate. I just looked up Canada's gun legislation. Apparently Canada reckons their significantly lower gun death rate than the US is because of mandatory gun checks. The Canadian constitution like the US supports gun ownership, but all guns are either restricted on non restricted and there are mandatory police checks on all citizens applying to buy a gun with checks against terrorist watch lists, people with mental illnesses and anyone with s criminal record plus an underage child In all these cases, gun possession is not allowed. Interesting also the AR-15 assault rifle whilst not banned can only be used at a registered gun range.
From an outsider view, I applaud the US Second amendment provisions, but I find it absolutely amazing that after so many tragic deaths in the US that both sides of US politics cannot agree to provisions like Canada has in place (and by the way so does Australia).
The most incredulous situation to me, is that the US Senate even rejected mandatory checks to see if a gun applicant was on the terrorist watch list.
Yet Donald Trump wants to ban anyone of the Moslem faith entering the US but is happy to let any terrorists buy guns???
Note not all Terrorists are Moslems e.g. Shining Path, Baader Meinhof, IRAe.
I reckon if the US NRA and US Republican Party came out in favour of Mandatory checks (as Canada) then the gun death rate would drop and just as important the NRA and Republican Party would actually start to gain in popularity (and probably the gun issue would go away).
Judith
PS ;
Also to Cheryl, I have travelled all over Texas prior to my transition, not least because I used to work for a global Texas based company, and I must admit I have always felt very safe there. Mind you the Texans are such great people Also I have always felt very safe in California.
However being in Florida, Louisiana (in New Orleans), Alabama, Pennsylvania (Philly) and some parts of Illinois I have felt decidedly unsafe.
Judith
Neither the NRA nor the Republican Party is going to back down anytime soon. A large part of their support base believes gun ownership is supported by Jesus in the Bible, literally. For many it really is part of their religion. For that matter, nearly everything here that people disagree on is part of somebody's religion.
Here are some links to that effect.
http://www.biblicalselfdefense.com
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/338845/biblical-and-natural-right-self-defense-david-french
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/03/mississippi-guns-in-churches-self-defense-shootings/
http://lawandliberty.org/defense.htm
Quote from: judithlynn on August 09, 2016, 08:53:00 PM
I reckon if the US NRA and US Republican Party came out in favour of Mandatory checks (as Canada) then the gun death rate would drop and just as important the NRA and Republican Party would actually start to gain in popularity (and probably the gun issue would go away).
Judith
I promised my self I wasn't going to post on this thread because it's the type of thread that blows up. The United States has mandatory checks on every new gun purchase and I have been through two of them. The problem is patient confidentially prevents doctor from reporting patients with mentality unstable so the check lists are incomplete. A number of our mass shootings were committed by people who should have been caught by the system. Other records are also omitted from the system so the check ends up being a pain for somebody with a clean record and not catching people who were supposed to be excluded from purchasing firearms.
Protect the Second Amendment. Restrictions will only prevent the good guys from getting guns; the bad guys will always get the guns no matter what restrictions are imposed.
Canada's lower crime rate is primarily based on the certainty of punishment for crimes and not on gun ownership restrictions.
You know why the USA is the last free nation besides israel is because alot of the citizens are armed and trained to use fire arms. Go after the bad guys and leave us good people alone,if you don't like guns that's your right,but remember the bad guys can get guns and it takes time for the police to arrive. Alot of people's in other countries are finding they need to be armed with the rise of radical Islam,islam is not a religion of peace but war.
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Lets please remember no bashing of religions and lets get back on topic please. Thanks
Mariah
Woah. This started with a pride message and turned into a reflection of political propaganda about guns. What happened?
Quote from: Eevee on August 09, 2016, 11:11:37 PM
Woah. This started with a pride message and turned into a reflection of political propaganda about guns. What happened?
Hi friends :police:
Unfortunately, some folks just don't have the attention span or ability to stay on topic
Live proud and show your pride
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