I'm about to schedule my FFS with Facial Team in Marbella. So far I had two consultations with Dr Simon. Few days ago I also received their quote.
I had a tracheal shave about 6 years ago. There still a little protrudance left but I'm okay with it. Scar healed up nicely.
Procedures I would like to have in FFS:
- Forehead reconstruction (brow ridge removal, subtle brow lift)
- Rhinoplasty (tip projection, have a "slope", make the nose smaller in total)
- Chinplasty (sliding genioplasty to alleviate the receiding chin)
What do you think about my pictures? Any ideas what I should think about as well?
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Not sure you need the forehead work, to be quite honest; I don't really see any brow bossing in your profile, but that could be due to the black squares obscuring your eyes and making them seem more forward than they actually are. If you do have it done, you might as well have your scalp advanced a slight bit. You do have a bit of recession above your temples, which could just as easily be filled in with transplants.
Yes to the rhinoplasty.
You'll want your chin tapered a bit.
I bet you pass quite well right now as it is.
Thank you, Sophie. Your (and hopefully more) opinions mean a lot to me.
I only have a slight brow bossing indeed. I asked them whether a Rhinoplasty would be sufficient but the doctor said they highly suggest to address the forehead because of the transition to the nose. So I think it is necessary to have everything in harmony.
About the hairline:
I just sent them another e-mail for an updated quote for a hair transplantation immediately following the FFS. You're right - makes totally sense!
My opinion:
I don't think you need forehead work at all. If I were you, I would not do anything to it. But photographs can be misleading. I see a flashlight bounce of the forehead, indicating some roundness there. Only a conebeam/x-ray can tell if you need it. Your brows are high, and surgical brow lift would be minimal anyway, giving you a surprised look. Would be a waste of money.
Your key area is the chin: the base is flat, a little rounding would be good. And then the nose.
Thank you, 2cherry.
Forehead:
I guess I will decide after the CT scans have been evaluated.
Quote from: aibeecee on November 19, 2016, 08:59:19 AM
I'm about to schedule my FFS with Facial Team in Marbella. So far I had two consultations with Dr Simon. Few days ago I also received their quote.
I had a tracheal shave about 6 years ago. There still a little protrudance left but I'm okay with it. Scar healed up nicely.
Procedures I would like to have in FFS:
- Forehead reconstruction (brow ridge removal, subtle brow lift)
- Rhinoplasty (tip projection, have a "slope", make the nose smaller in total)
- Chinplasty (sliding genioplasty to alleviate the receiding chin)
What do you think about my pictures? Any ideas what I should think about as well?
(https://2-t.imgbox.com/VY9iqeRT.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/VY9iqeRT) (https://9-t.imgbox.com/3p0zEHHl.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/3p0zEHHl)
How is your byte ?
Important to evaluate that - - before you or your doc considers the sliding genioplasty.
If your byte is not "right" - - then fixing the byte might fix the chin issue.
I am not sure if it makes sense to look at an x ray to determine if forehead change is needed - people have no xray vision, they just see what is visible and if that is ok, why change the bones?
I know FT almost always recommend forehead work though, they consider it to be the most important feminization that can be done. And they always do type 3 as well. I think the goal is not so much to change brow bossing, but to set back the center part of the forehead, above the nose - this "opens the eyes" more, when done in conjuction with an orbital shave and this seems to be quite feminizing. I know that many women have deep set eyes as well, so unless it is very pronounced and there is also brow bossing involved, such a surgery is probably optional and more a matter of cosmetic/beautification surgery?
Quote from: anjaq on November 24, 2016, 03:07:16 AMI am not sure if it makes sense to look at an x ray to determine if forehead change is needed - people have no xray vision, they just see what is visible and if that is ok, why change the bones?
CT scans always seem so crude and artificial to me, lacking in precision. An X-ray, though, can show how thin the bone is (if it's thin in front of the sinus cavity, it
has to be removed and reshaped if you want to change it), and might reveal a shape that's currently hidden by favorable fat deposition and youthful skin, nice things that will fade over time.
And sometimes we need the change just to exorcize the ghost.
QuoteI know FT almost always recommend forehead work though, they consider it to be the most important feminization that can be done. And they always do type 3 as well. I think the goal is not so much to change brow bossing, but to set back the center part of the forehead, above the nose - this "opens the eyes" more, when done in conjuction with an orbital shave and this seems to be quite feminizing. I know that many women have deep set eyes as well, so unless it is very pronounced and there is also brow bossing involved, such a surgery is probably optional and more a matter of cosmetic/beautification surgery?
Some women have deep voices, too, but I wouldn't recommend settling for 160Hz as one's base pitch.
Our faces aren't the only aspect of our embodiment. Just about all of us will have some other features that aren't terribly feminine as well -- be it ribcages, shoulders, hands, hips, height, even the overall size of the skull itself. Voices that are a bit low. Manners and instincts that have yet to be honed. So it's a sensible strategy, I think, to adjust everything that can be adjusted, even if it's a minor adjustment.
Looking closer at Aibee's forehead, there is a ridge above the nasal bridge, and some protuberance extending up from the orbits by the temples. If the bone is thick, this can all be shaved, but the effect would still be minimal. Doing it all at once (Type III) gives the surgeons less limitation and more control over the final result. Now, does she
need it in order to pass? No... just looking at her face. But it would still make her look more feminine (and prettier, which is always a good ting). It'd be another finger pushing down on the scales.
Quote from: oneoftwo on November 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PMImportant to evaluate that - - before you or your doc considers the sliding genioplasty.
I'm not a big fan of the sliding genioplasty. It can create irregularities in the line between the chin and mandible. Which doesn't have anything to do with feminization, it can just make it look like you've had work done.
Again, though, it's the breadth of her chin that's less feminine, not its actual position. The height of her chin is already optimal. It's slightly recessed in profile -- which a small implant could possibly correct. But then I'm not a big fan of making anything bigger, either.
Quote from: aibeecee on November 20, 2016, 02:44:26 PM
Thank you, Sophie. Your (and hopefully more) opinions mean a lot to me.
I only have a slight brow bossing indeed. I asked them whether a Rhinoplasty would be sufficient but the doctor said they highly suggest to address the forehead because of the transition to the nose. So I think it is necessary to have everything in harmony.
About the hairline:
I just sent them another e-mail for an updated quote for a hair transplantation immediately following the FFS. You're right - makes totally sense!
Hi Aibeecee,
I very much agree with Sophia and 2Cherry. Looking at your profile you really don't need heavy bossing work imho. I'm in a similar position to you. Your forehead shape looks very feminine already.
Too many clinics push reconstruction. Perhaps have a few more consultations / opinions with surgeons whom you trust to tell you what
don't need as much as what they think you
do need? Something I have admired about PAI is that they were honest about that.
Does PAI do remote consultations with photos or Skype? Does that cost money? Otherwise, one could always just send them pictures and see what they think. Travelling to Thailand for a consultation may be a bit much of an effort for someone from the US or EU.