Hi,
The subject says it all. We need to market ourselves. To make ourselves better known to the world at large.
Any ideas? I expect results.
Rebis
Pat from SNL, avoid that.
That is all I can add here, sorry :(
Hmmmm, then EVERYONE will want to be an androgyne! It will become the next IN thing ::)
Seriously, what it might take is for a high profile person to publicly come out as androgyne instead of TS, either in a situation like a city manager getting fired, or a famous actor or musician.... Any takers?
Z <knowing full well that as soon as zie posts this, someone is going to volunteer zir for the job> 8)
"Why take one gender into the shower...?"
Buy one get one free? :D
Quote from: Alison on November 05, 2007, 01:31:57 PM
Buy one get one free? :D
LOL
two, two for the price of one
best of both worlds
Z
"we may be here
we may be queer"
I'm not good at this. I like what you all are doing, though.
i was going to make a video, but i don't want to put it on youtube, my uncle looks at my youtube profile all the time and I can't be asked to explain such intricacies to him.
What if you write it and then send the script to volunteers who can do the recording and make changes according to your wise directions?
Do we need to brand ourselves too? What does that mean? Like a logo and a tagline or something?
We can use Tee shirts and beach towels to get our message out there. Some patches for jackets and maybe some wall decorations.
gotta go
made an alternative channel,
picaVpica... Any andro's got videos they want to send. Or scripts. Or bits of videos we can splice together to make a big conference call.
My first one. 'We Are Normal (and we want our freedom)'.
Possible advertising slogans...
- Boys will be boys and girls will be girls, but only the best get to be both
- Excuse me ma'am, but can you trim your beard? It's keeping me from staring at your tits
...and since you can't go much further downhill from that last one...
- Andro-gin, because the best drinks are mixed
Hiding while everyone throws things at me......Laurry
P.S. Please forgive my gratuitous usage of the slang term describing the feminine chest, but other terms just didn't have the humorous impact.
P.P.S. If you think these are bad, please remember the writers are all on strike and I couldn't get anyone to vett these jokes
Quote from: Laurry on November 05, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
- Andro-gin, because the best drinks are mixed
This one is awesome
free your mind, and the rest will follow. :)
Quote from: Laurry on November 05, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
- Excuse me ma'am, but can you trim your beard? It's keeping me from staring at your tits
LOL, Laurry, that's so bad it's good. I think you've just got the job writing ad copy ;)
Z
Yeah Laurry,
Those were not only really funny, but they also get the idea across.
fun with functionality.
We need a decent wikipedia entry, androgyne is a small paragraph in an article about androgyny, which re-enforces that mistake that androgynes are androgynous.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 06, 2007, 12:16:10 PM
We need a decent wikipedia entry, androgyne is a small paragraph in an article about androgyny, which re-enforces that mistake that androgynes are androgynous.
I so agree, i wouldn't mind writing one, my problem is just that english isn't my first language, so there would probarly be a lot of spelling mistakes, but it would be so interesting making an entry about it!
Actually, I would really like to write a book about it, but I don't know that I have enough resources/knowledge to do it. Hmmm...we could all write one together!
What if one of us begins the entry. The rest of us could add comments or suggest changes for the initial person to add. OR, one of us starts the entry and then several of us make the changes as the rest make suggestions and the potential changes go thru a process of review and approval.
The point of review and approval is to prevent repetition and to ensure clarity. It is not meant to dullen someone's point of view or to stifle dissenting voices.
I'm kind of serious about this stuff. I say 'kind of' because nothing in my past has prepared me for moving ahead on one of my ideas. I am hoping to overcome that passivity.
Hey,
The only reason I haven't done it is because wikipedia scares the hell out of me. I reckon us lot are the closest thing the world has to experts on androgynes.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 07, 2007, 08:46:54 PM
Hey,
The only reason I haven't done it is because wikipedia scares the hell out of me. I reckon us lot are the closest thing the world has to experts on androgynes.
Maybe I can be your front. Clerical duties are fine with me. Plus you sound intelligent as opposed to whatever I project.
I'm sure that KK and no_id and would be good contributors. They have orderly and functioning minds (by which I
don't mean to imply that the rest of us are dolts).
and marq and mia have got there shtick down so pat now, and emerald is good for clarity.
How do we coerce, I mean, draft, them?
I need to get it together and start drawing up a strategy and a loose timeline for what I hope to do. I need to follow through. If I fail in getting some of these ideas off the ground, I want it to be that I tried and failed rather than failing through inaction.
I think if we wrote a draft each, posted it on here, and then beat it into shape before transferring it, it would hold a better chance of staying...I reckon many wikipedia types would want it unto 'androgyny' and not get the distinction.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 07, 2007, 09:07:18 PM
I think if we wrote a draft each, posted it on here, and then beat it into shape before transferring it, it would hold a better chance of staying...I reckon many wikipedia types would want it unto 'androgyny' and not get the distinction.
and that's why we'll have to beat
them into shape.
I gotta sign of for the night now. Bye bye
I'm not exactly well versed, but I'll help however I can.
and, by helping, thou shalt become well versed. :)
Quote from: Rebis on November 07, 2007, 08:53:35 PM
(by which I don't mean to imply that the rest of us are dolts)
Speak for yourself. :)
Nfr
dolt and proud of it, but willing to help
Quote from: Rebis on November 07, 2007, 08:44:17 PM
What if one of us begins the entry. The rest of us could add comments or suggest changes for the initial person to add. OR, one of us starts the entry and then several of us make the changes as the rest make suggestions and the potential changes go thru a process of review and approval.
I'd be happy to help, if it doesn't bring the project down that is ;) I've never done a wikipedia entry, but willing to learn.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 07, 2007, 09:07:18 PM
I think if we wrote a draft each, posted it on here, and then beat it into shape before transferring it, it would hold a better chance of staying...I reckon many wikipedia types would want it unto 'androgyny' and not get the distinction.
I like the idea of working out a draft here.
z
In fact, I was going to suggest Y2gender as a cultural/historical editor due to hir appearing to be well informed on our history and for having met some of the more prominent members of our group.
did what i reckon is an o first paragraph.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 09, 2007, 08:53:01 PM
did what i reckon is an o first paragraph.
that's good. we need to establish a method for review, suggestion and edits. a process.
I was poking around on wikipedia and I signed up, but I think only a benighted few can create articles. The rest of us can only edit or add. I want to find out how 'androgyne' can become it's own topic separate from androgynous.
I also think that the citations asked for in the tiny little androgyne section can be taken care of by inserting leslie feinberg's 'transgendered warriors' & maybe a kate borstein book as sources. They may not be establishment approved, however, our big issue is that the establishment is not doing anything for us anyway (as far as I know).
Also, I need to comb through the references and links that KK has provided for us in order to try to understand us from a position other than the point of view we've established amongst ourselves. Thought is not my strong suit, however. I probably won't retain much.
Alternately, if there is an 'officially' approved source of info, we need to find it.
this is going to be time consuming. I expect at minimum it'll be a winter haul.
I suggest having a section on androgyne related terms. More than just some glossary, having a subsection on each term. There's so much contradiction out there and I think one of the reasons is that androgynes are scattered so any glossary has bigenders writing about what it means to be third gender, or something like that. If we set up a list of subsections, those who identify with a term can write something about it.
Terms I suggest:
Bigender
Third Gender
Neutrois
Gender Fluid
I've done some stuff with Latex before. Maybe now I'll actually get a Wikipedia account...
Quote from: Rebis on November 08, 2007, 11:30:08 AM
In fact, I was going to suggest Y2gender as a cultural/historical editor due to hir appearing to be well informed on our history and for having met some of the more prominent members of our group.
I have read a lot of transgender history, how many of them were androgynes, I couldn't really say for sure. I wouldn't want to impose my 21st century viewpoint on someone who might have felt different. Willing to try though...
Z
i always thought what we have here would be a good beginning anyway
Okay then, we need to create some steps to get us started.
Maybe start a thread that is dedicated to the initial Androgyne topic.
Then a second thread to hammer out Simon's idea of the subsections and some beginning subsection definitions or descriptions? Though, maybe after the subsection list is decided upon, each subsection can have it's own definition thread.
Maybe we can tag wiki related threads with a LAMP message icon in order to differentiate them from ordinary threads because these particular threads will need to be severely limited in scope.
If you agree. sorry, I don't want anyone to think I'm getting bossy. :)
Maybe we can use polls for voting on our standards.
threads could have several parallels. Definition threads, discussion threads, voting threads. A definition thread would have it's title tagged with something like [definition] the same title would be used for discussion except with a [discussion] tag and voting threads would have the same title with a [vote] tag.
just some suggestions.
crack the whip and i'll fall in line (smiling)
Quote from: Laurry on November 05, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
- Boys will be boys and girls will be girls, but only the best get to be both
I love it.
I know this is an old post but i may try to further my own efforts. I put together that free ebook that i had linked here and many places for 2-3 years. Dusting off the pdf, i may try to finally get it on amazon or something. It has been setting on my old hard drive for 2 years or so. Will see if i get the inspiration again to look at it anew. would be nice to get my own hard copy, instead of the spiral notebook sitting on the bottom of my computer.
anyway,
kk
Quote from: ativan on May 09, 2011, 10:51:45 AM
Cool thread, I enjoyed reading through it. I'd like to go through your book. Any changes since it was originally written?
well first, i am switching most of the terminology over from "androgyne" to "non-binary gender identities" to be more inclusive of other non-binary genders that have been mentioned several places, which is a more realistic term for the data. the format has to fit a certain dimension, so i am trying to get the margins to fit a 6x9 inch book. adding a cover (which createspace requires me to use my legal name) . also i just switched most of the color graphs over to black and white, so that i can reduce the cost of the book. i finished some of the population estimates for major english countries (usa, uk, australia, canada, and world). also i am trying to finish quickly the 4 or so places that were left unfinished. i am adding page numbers and page numbers to the table of contents. not sure if i am going to be able to make a index or glossary yet. that would be really great.
when i had it on some webspace that i had acquired for a few years, i think about 1,000 downloads were made. when downloads slowed down, i let that space expire. so at the moment it isn't located anywhere, unless someone put it somewhere after downloading it.
will let everyone know if i put it up on amazon or google or something like that.
i would like to do something more collaborative in the future.
so, how have the other efforts gone? hopefully success! has anyone else done anything lately?
kk
K
Looks great...can't wait to get a peek at it. I must have missed this before when you had it up.
On another note...whenever I read the title of this thread, I picture us standing on street corners in our fishnet stockings, holding signs that say "Non-binary gendered...will work for acceptance/understanding"
Work???
Quote from: Laurry on May 11, 2011, 12:38:54 PM
K
Looks great...can't wait to get a peek at it. I must have missed this before when you had it up.
experimented with a topical index today, might work out. not quite sure yet. i was going to try uploading the pdf for everyone to see but my geocities webspace is gone, and bravenet isn't working. was going to post the current full text so far, potential cover, and topical index so far. oh well, so much for free webspace....
Quote
On another note...whenever I read the title of this thread, I picture us standing on street corners in our fishnet stockings, holding signs that say "Non-binary gendered...will work for acceptance/understanding"
do they whistle or high five us?
Ok, i've done my part. my signature has url of publisher page for it as well as a preview. the book is on 30% off if anyone from Susan's uses the code: AVG6VBBW at least for a few weeks, (until July 4rth). they say will be on amazon in 5 to 7 days. i don't know how much it will be there.
i have done my part in trying to make androgynes and non-binaries more known...
kk
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 07, 2007, 08:46:54 PM
Hey,
The only reason I haven't done it is because wikipedia scares the hell out of me. I reckon us lot are the closest thing the world has to experts on androgynes.
I used to edit books and i'd be pleased to offer my services for any wikipedia entry.
Less is more, and I've got a knack for knocking the verbose down to size. All you have to do is get your info up there!
Quote from: ativan on May 23, 2011, 06:11:39 PM
What I read, was probably the most straight forward information I have ever read, about non-binaries. I will be buying a copy.
Thanks. the main thing it lacks is just a good editor to go through and correct grammar, spelling errors. i couldn't afford createspace's editing services, so i published it as it was. overlooking those grammar errors, i think people will find the information useful. i like my copy. i find myself ready sections that i forgot about even.
If i can get a kindle version ready, i may correct some errors and update some more, and reduce the price even more. no date or price on a possible kindle version however. i am working on it a little each week.
Okay the 30% is over. It is full price at both sites.
Okay here is the first of new additional material for the book, like i promised.
A 2 page index of polls, tables, and charts. I set the dimensions to 6" x 9" like the book, so it should be relative easy to cut out a printing of these and slide it into the book somewhere.
http://kendrawickham.bravehost.com/index_of_tables.pdf (http://kendrawickham.bravehost.com/index_of_tables.pdf)
I also said i would show you my next project. Here is my next attempt so far.
http://kendrawickham.bravehost.com/book2_preview.pdf (http://kendrawickham.bravehost.com/book2_preview.pdf)
Anyway until next update
kendall
Quote from: kendra on May 12, 2011, 10:40:16 PM
experimented with a topical index today, might work out. not quite sure yet. i was going to try uploading the pdf for everyone to see but my geocities webspace is gone, and bravenet isn't working. was going to post the current full text so far, potential cover, and topical index so far. oh well, so much for free webspace....
do they whistle or high five us?
Your solution is dropbox. 2 gigs free and very easy to manage. It syncs a folder on your system up to your space on the server. I keep resumes and creative things in mine. There is a folder available for public sharing. dropbox.com
There're a lot of these places nowadays. Ubuntu has Ubuntu One available. 2 gigs free.
Thanks for the pdf. I'm going to browse it.
Well, I made the 'congratulations, it's an androgyne card' but no one wanted it.
- link to card: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81539.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81539.0.html)