After a lot of thinking and nearly committing suicide over the holidays and just recently got offered to move in with a friend I decided that this year I'm gonna finally leave and move in with my friend and finally move forward. I plan to move out sometime probably around March or April.
With that being decided I'm still stuck with the employment dilemma I'm still not sure what kind of job I would be best suited for and just for anyone who doesn't know my situation I have both a learning disability (officially diagnosed) and autism (currently undiagnosed) and they can make keeping a job challenging (particularly the learning disability) mainly because I can't work in a fast paced environment all that well and already been fired from two jobs in the past (Goodwill and Walmart) because I was apprently too slow. I'm hoping someone here may have some knowledge and experience that could maybe suggest some jobs and companies that are friendly mainly to those with learning disabilities. I know it sounds like I'm being picky there but I believe it's for my own good to be choosy.
The good thing is when I do get moved in I'll have a two month grace period before I'll have to start coming up with money for rent. And for some additional info I live in Tennessee about an hour south of Nashville and unfortunately I don't have a drivers license and I can't drive period and I did manage to at least get a two year associates degree.
If anyone has questions and need more info I'll be happy to provide and I appreciate any help from both new and old to the situation explained. Thank you.
Well, hmm, your english where i come from could get you a decent job in school or foreign company or even embassey.
Quote from: Abbiem on January 05, 2017, 03:52:43 AM
Well, hmm, your english where i come from could get you a decent job in school or foreign company or even embassey.
I was going into education but after failing two of the three entry classes required to get into the program at my school I realized I wasn't cut out for teaching. What kind of embassy jobs could I get would I even qualify??
Congratulations for putting yourself out there!
You can teach English part-time online through italki.com, but countries like China and Thailand actively recruit ESL teachers, if you like that kind of work. You would have to be a people person, though.
You'd also need a college degree, or TOEFL certification, which you can get online.
Due to their low wages and monotonous jobs, Office Depot is usually hiring.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Office-Depot-Officemax
UPS aggressively recruits package handlers, especially for night shift, and pays well. One of my friend's sisters has bipolar disorder, but drives a delivery truck for them.
http://www.wlky.com/article/ups-offers-program-for-workers-with-disabilities/3755334
Top Companies for People with Disabilities, with Flexible Workplaces! - FlexJobs https://www.flexjobs.com/blog/post/top-companies-for-people-with-disabilities-are-also-flexible-workplaces/
well, most foreign embassies need english language, so many Asian countries yes want to learn english or hire at companies even in embassies, like paper work ( in english language).
Perhaps a better place to start would be telling us what options are around you. We could list all the friendly companies in the world but none of it would help if none of them are local to you unless you're able to work remotely/online.
There is an organization in Valparaiso Indiana called "Opportunity Enterprises" that specializes in finding employment for people with learning disabilities. You could look to see if there is a similar group near you or you could contact them directly to see if they can offer any suggestions.
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May I suggest trying the Tennessee ARC? Their site seems to have options:
http://www.thearctn.org/Employment.php
Good luck moving forward.
With warmth,
Joanna
Quote from: FTMax on January 05, 2017, 06:36:21 AM
Perhaps a better place to start would be telling us what options are around you. We could list all the friendly companies in the world but none of it would help if none of them are local to you unless you're able to work remotely/online.
Here's a few I can name on top of my head that are in my area:
Home Depot (There's also a distribution center in my area)
Office Depot
Lowe's
Publix
Kroger
Region's Bank
Ascend Credit Union
Walmart (Though I was fired it is possible I can job there again)
General Motors
Amazon
Farm Bureau
State Farm
All Stat
Chick-Fil-A
Those are some that I know are in my area I'll look to see what else there is.
My main concern is will they even be willing to make any sort of accommodations to help with job performance?? I'm confident I do tasks for the jobs these companies hire for I'm worried they'll think I'm too slow or fire me cause I can't get the numbers they require. I've struggled with this for much of my life even at home and school.
Of those, I would tell you to apply at all of the banks, supermarkets, retail locations, Amazon, and Chic-Fil-A.
I think the insurance companies would be a waste of your time. Most of the jobs you would find with insurance companies are typically sales. They may try to get you in by offering to pay for your licensing, but these are ultimately commission-based jobs. Check and see if they have any jobs posted online to be sure. Maybe one will have an opening for an office person.
For any of those listed that are retail or grocery store locations, I would apply for overnight stocking positions. These typically pay a little more because they are overnight, you have little to no interaction with the public, and you're a part of a team responsible for getting products out of the back and onto the shelves. Physically intensive sometimes, so going at your own pace is encouraged.
I'm guessing Amazon where you are is a distribution hub? That and the Home Depot distribution center might be good ideas, but they may expect you to complete a certain number of tasks per hour. I would read up on the positions available before applying.
I don't think the requirements for bank tellers are very stringent other than being good with counting money and ensuring that your drawer balances. No real time constraints to it. Everyone expects going to the bank to take forever anyway. So might be a good option if one of those locations is hiring.
Chic-Fil-A I think is actually a good option that could give you some new skills while also not being difficult to get hired at. Tell them you want to work in the kitchen. Everybody has to start somewhere with food service, and working in a fast food kitchen for a year or so could easily get you better paying work in a nicer restaurant.
What would be ideal is to specifically look into the upward and lateral trajectory that each potential job would give you in the future. Established companies, especially chains/franchises, often have management training or development training that could be accessible to you after a certain amount of time employed provided you meet the other qualifications (like a degree or being willing to relocate and work at a different location). Obviously the first goal is to get employed, but if you end up with a few offers, compare them on the basis of where they could get you by next year.
Consider local Parks&Recreation offices. If you don't mind working outside, there are a lot of parks that need shoveling and mowing and cleanup and...
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Given that you do not drive a car, the first place you should look for work is within walking distance of your friend's place. Also figure out all the bus routes near your friend's place and look for work at all the places near the bus routes. And if you do not already have a bicycle, then get a good commuter bicycle and use it to get around.
Before you even get a job, you have to have a way to get there.
Before you object, google 3 wheel bike and you should be able to find something you can handle. When I was young, I knew a man who had sever brain damage and that was his primary mode of transportation.
Hope I'm not sounding like I'm objecting I just need to state a problem with commuting from my friend's place he lives in a far more rural area than where I live and no bus routes for probably within 30-50 miles. Honestly I'm not sure what I'm ever gonna do about transportation situation the city is just too unaffordable unless I can get something that pays at least $15/hr but that isn't ever gonna be likely.
Quote from: EmilyRyan on January 05, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
Hope I'm not sounding like I'm objecting I just need to state a problem with commuting from my friend's place he lives in a far more rural area than where I live and no bus routes for probably within 30-50 miles. Honestly I'm not sure what I'm ever gonna do about transportation situation the city is just too unaffordable unless I can get something that pays at least $15/hr but that isn't ever gonna be likely.
How are you planning to get to work? Are all of the places you listed within walking or biking distance?
From where my friend lives and where I even live at nothing is walking distance unfortunately
Do you think in the future your friend and you cant move to the city where you will have more job opportunities and better transportation options. Do you think your friend can help drive you to and from work.
It's what I hope but I won't expect him to if it's too much of a burden
The next time you feel suicidal, please call this place: http://www.nashville.gov/Health-Department/Clinical-Health-Services/Behavioral-Health-Services.aspx (http://www.nashville.gov/Health-Department/Clinical-Health-Services/Behavioral-Health-Services.aspx) The number for their crisis line is right there on the web page.
You can also go there and talk to a counselor and get referrals to services for free, if you can bum a ride to Nashville. You can call for an appointment or go there and wait.
But unless you like the idea of hitting the neighbors up for farmhand work, it sounds like moving in with your friend is going to be a non-starter.
well, if you were here, i would help u.
Quote from: CarlyMcx on January 06, 2017, 01:03:15 PM
But unless you like the idea of hitting the neighbors up for farmhand work, it sounds like moving in with your friend is going to be a non-starter.
Yes, it doesn't sound like this is going to be the best option in terms of finding you work. Where does your friend work? Would working with them be a possibility?
Quote from: FTMax on January 06, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
Yes, it doesn't sound like this is going to be the best option in terms of finding you work. Where does your friend work? Would working with them be a possibility?
He's a student worker at the same community college I attend I've been trying to get a student worker position for quite some time now but there's never any positions open.
There's this one town, called Spring Hill, I really want to move to it's not far from where I live now (about 30 minutes north) if I can somehow get a place there instead it'll be much easier to get a ride and plus the places I mentioned where I could get a job at are all there too and plus even being a small town it's much more lgbt friendly than where I am now.
Only trouble is that rent in Spring Hill can be as crazy as big cities like Nashville so yeah it's not only the cities rent is getting ridiculous here in the small towns and rural communities as well.
Move what are you waiting for!
I want too but have no money to afford rent and none my friends that do happen to live there are in position to take me in
You can come and live with me if u want to, iam moving somewhere very far.
hmm tempting to be honest where do you currently live and where you plan on moving to??
Just wondering if anyone else may have more ideas what to do about transportation or any ideas of how I can move into the town of Spring Hill and deal with the rent??
Essentially what it comes down to is you need to be in a place where you can afford the rent. The only way you'll be able to afford the rent is if you can find a job. If you can't find a job, then you can't afford to live there no matter where it is.
The issue you'll also have is that moving to a new place isn't as simple as finding a job there. Most places are going to want a deposit before they let you move in unless you're moving in with family or friends. This could be as little as $50 to as much as a full month's rent. Here, it is sometimes as high as 2 months rent up front. It is typically more for folks who have no or poor credit history. Do you have that much in liquid assets currently? If not, you might not be able to afford to move.
My suggestion would be to first really dig into your commuting issue instead of thinking about moving. No matter where you live, you need a reliable way to get to work. Buses are great when they're available, but what about when they aren't running? There are about 5 different bus lines where I live and they have reduced holiday hours. Most of them will also stop running in inclement weather. And this is a major metropolitan area. I imagine services are further reduced in a rural or suburban area. If you're relying on a bus, that could leave you without a way to get to work, or stranded at work. I think coming up with a means of getting to work that you are in charge of would go a long way.
Which brings me to my suggestion - what about a bike? Bikes are fairly inexpensive on Craigslist, easy to use, easy to fix, and not at all difficult to commute on. I know some folks who commute into the city here from 20-30 miles out in the suburbs to avoid sitting in traffic. On a purely road track (nothing offroad or trails) you can bike 20 miles in around an hour. So being able to ride a bike and willing to ride it for an hour gives you a 20 mile radius around where you're living that you could look for work.
I need some way to move regardless if I can afford to or not and I need to do it before the end of April cause that's when my parents will find out I'm not getting my teaching degree and when they do they will go ballistic and I can guaranteed it'll be a risk to my safety and yes I wanna tell them I rather get a different degree and do something different besides teach but if I even do that they'll just go ballistic all the same.
I apologize I keep mentioning this over and over again and I know I need a job and income to move out of my own but with my situation I need to move out regardless asap there's gotta be a way to help make that happen.
I'm sorry to tell you there really is not. Moving requires money or charity. Money you don't have. Charity could potentially be found if you look for it (friends, family, programs, etc.).
How much money do you have saved currently? Would it be enough to get you to another city that maybe has more opportunities? I see posts everyday on the Trans Housing group I'm part of with people offering couches or spare rooms to others in need for nothing or minimal amounts of money/household contributions. If you had enough money for a bus ticket (usually $30-$100 depending on how far you're going) and were willing to forego a lot of your possessions, that'd be the easiest way to get somewhere else. I'm happy to link and add you to that group if you'd like to see what is available but you'd need to PM me.
Money wise I actually have a little over $1300 in a savings account and have some spending money in a separate checking account I think I have like over $200 left in that one would had more saved up but emergency expenses happen.
I've been to the Trans Housing Group and been tempted to take up a few offers there but the thought of moving far away to a place where the cost of living is much higher I just can't do it. I rather take my chances of trying to move to Spring Hill, TN and just have my friends help me out which lately more are offering to help out so I'll use this semester to see where that happens.
Back to transportation issue Spring Hill may be a growing community but there are no buses and riding a bike down the main road (highway 31) where everything is and off of is very dangerous especially the area where Walmart and all the shopping is and no bike road/trails either Tennessee is way behind on all that. I'll figure something out though.
Have you been to this group?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/GROUPTGRH/
Lots of great options there. I think the Trans Housing Network on Tumblr is pretty much dead, though I haven't looked at it recently.
I can understand wanting to stay somewhere that is familiar where you have friends/family who could help you out. I'm just not sure you'd be able to get a good start if there's no way for you to get to work. As you said, even the other town lacks a bus system. Would you walk to work? How much is rent for a place within walking distance to the places you could potentially get a job? How much would rent be in another town that has better public transportation in place, enabling you to maybe live further away from work and pay less for rent?
That's the trade off. You will most likely pay more money in rent to be within walking distance of a retail location. Your commute would be longer living further away, but your rent would likely be cheaper. It really comes down to how much you value your time and if the value of time lost commuting would be less or more than how much extra it would cost you to live somewhere closer.
Living far won't be a big deal I'm already used to communing 15-30+ minutes already.
This semester will give me plenty of time to figure things out and talk to my friends speaking of one of them is a member of that Facebook which will most likely be more helpful.
As I mentioned I'm gonna move out regardless for the sake of safety.
How would I be able to afford things like hrt if the only jobs I can get seem to get are stocking shelves??
I've been doing research on jobs and how to be successful despite having learning disability and autism and what I'm finding isn't exactly what I was hoping it seems even with an education the only jobs me and others like me have any hope of getting are grocery stores and other minimum wage jobs with no way of landing anything above even with education and experience. I'm at a loss of how I'm gonna afford anything (like hrt) stocking selves in the future.
Why not look into grocery or retail stores that have management training programs? Typically those are open to folks with a degree. They usually combine some practical experience with corporate education and mentorship.
HRT isn't super expensive. I pay less than $100 twice a year for my doctor visit, lab work, and medication. You could probably go even lower if you found a sliding scale clinic or Planned Parenthood location that was offering HRT.
What if I'm not successful with the duties of being a manager I'm not like an "outside of the box" thinker are there other decent paying position at grocery stores that don't involve being in management??
Quote from: FTMax on January 15, 2017, 09:15:11 PM
HRT isn't super expensive. I pay less than $100 twice a year for my doctor visit, lab work, and medication. You could probably go even lower if you found a sliding scale clinic or Planned Parenthood location that was offering HRT.
Not wanting to get into politics I have a bad feeling that's all gonna come to an end soon :(
How do you know how successful you could be if you've never had a similar role before? There is not a lot of creative thinking going on in retail management. It's very numbers driven, and the formula for what you do day-to-day to achieve those numbers is very well established, plus you'd have coaching from someone who is/has been in the same role before.
There are certainly other positions you could seek out at any retail location. Grocery stores have multiple departments within them so there are typically at least a few openings that you could apply for. If you're not comfortable going into management, consider overnight stocking. The pay is slightly better because it's overnight, there is no customer service aspect to worry about, and you're part of a team that's responsible for getting everything done. So while you may need to learn to pick up the pace a bit, there will typically be other people working with you who can help make sure everything gets done. And usually these teams have a supervisor or team lead position, so that's something you could be aspiring for.
I think the big thing for you to consider is what you want your next job to do for you. Do you want it to be a career starter? Do you just want to make some money to establish yourself? Would you like to use it as a springboard for moving? You may have some legitimate concerns about your ability to do the work, but if you want to change your life you're going to have to put a lot of effort into this no matter what you end up doing. Some thoughts:
- If you want to potentially move to a friendlier state, only consider companies that have a national presence. Grocery stores can sometimes fall into this category, though many of them are limited to certain regions. Look into that before applying if being able to move around appeals to you. And if you get an interview, ask about opportunities to move and internal transfers.
- If you want to move up at the same company, make sure you ask about internal promotions and outside hiring. When a management position opens, are current employees notified? Can managers apply for positions on behalf of employees they supervise?
- Utilize Glassdoor to compare hourly pay and salaries. Read current employee reviews, ideally for the same position and location you're applying for. Especially pay attention to the reviews for your intended location. It might be easy to get hired there because management sucks and is churning through employees.
I can't tell you what different retail positions are paying now, or what they might pay in your area. I live in a major metro area. In 2011 I worked as a part-time cashier for a specialty retailer for $10.25/hour. After six months I got a raise to $12/hour and was bumped up to full time. At the time I had a Bachelor's degree and 5 years of customer service experience. I know the other person that got hired for the same role at the same time as me started at $9/hour with no degree and 2 years of customer service experience.
As far as HRT goes, Planned Parenthood will likely survive, though some locations may close or reduce hours. Sliding scale clinics have existed in many places for decades now, so I think those are here to stay. I don't anticipate any change to what I pay for treatment or medication. If you are worried about it, consider looking into Best Buy, Target, Starbucks, etc. There are a lot of national companies with entry level positions that offer part time associates trans inclusive benefits.
EmilyRyan,
As I mentioned before. There is a lot of information and resources at the ARC of Tennessee.
http://www.thearctn.org/Employment.php
Have you tried contacting them?
Sincerely,
Joanna
Quote from: FTMax on January 16, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
How do you know how successful you could be if you've never had a similar role before? There is not a lot of creative thinking going on in retail management. It's very numbers driven, and the formula for what you do day-to-day to achieve those numbers is very well established, plus you'd have coaching from someone who is/has been in the same role before.
I've seen what managers do in the two jobs I had and from what I know there's a ton of pressure in their jobs and I can barely handle the pressure put on by my parents. Even my supervisor from my job at Walmart was under intense pressure and he wasn't even in management.
Quote from: FTMax on January 16, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
There are certainly other positions you could seek out at any retail location. Grocery stores have multiple departments within them so there are typically at least a few openings that you could apply for. If you're not comfortable going into management, consider overnight stocking. The pay is slightly better because it's overnight, there is no customer service aspect to worry about, and you're part of a team that's responsible for getting everything done. So while you may need to learn to pick up the pace a bit, there will typically be other people working with you who can help make sure everything gets done. And usually these teams have a supervisor or team lead position, so that's something you could be aspiring for.
The pace part is what I worry about considering that's what I was fired over. I actually did stocking quite a bit when I worked at Walmart and I usually had trouble with finding where exactly something went and would take me longer to find the right place and therefore was unintentionally slow at the task and the issues with my working memory I could never get used to memorizing too well. I'm not lazy by any means I know I can do the job and make an effort to perform the best to my abilities I'm just concerned about doing at the pace they want me to do and having to say clear a pallet within 30 minutes or risk being fired are there like any accommodations that could be made to help with that??
Also what if say grocery or employment (and self employment) in general doesn't work out at all what would be a suggestion to do instead?? These are legit concerns I have everyday.
Quote from: FTMax on January 16, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
I think the big thing for you to consider is what you want your next job to do for you. Do you want it to be a career starter? Do you just want to make some money to establish yourself? Would you like to use it as a springboard for moving? You may have some legitimate concerns about your ability to do the work, but if you want to change your life you're going to have to put a lot of effort into this no matter what you end up doing. Some thoughts:
I just want to do something I now I can do to the best of my ability that pays enough for me to live and maybe a new laptop for my photography and maybe take online classes to get a four year degree.
Quote from: Joanna50 on January 16, 2017, 12:42:07 PM
EmilyRyan,
As I mentioned before. There is a lot of information and resources at the ARC of Tennessee.
http://www.thearctn.org/Employment.php
Have you tried contacting them?
I plan to get involved once I move out and my parents are out of my hair
Is there anywhere I could work at that'll help with performance standard accomodations??
Anyone else have more to add that can be helpful in getting employers to understand my condition??
Anyone??
Yeah I like been searching extensively for jobs I could do but am having trouble finding employers that would be friendly toward disabilities.
Any more ideas/suggestions??
People have offered lots of good advice, but you are going to have to do this on your own.
If you want some honesty no employer is going to hire someone who sits down and starts detailing all the special accommodations they will need to do a job. Why would they? They are running a business and want to pay someone to do a job as specified, you can't expect an employer to try and change their needs to accommodate your very particular set of circumstances when they can hire 100 other people that don't need those accommodations. (Unless you want to go the route and get employed via a special program where they send a "helper" with you, but that's for people with MR or severe DD. Your posts indicate you are intelligent and don't have an issues server enough to engage such services. Plenty of people with learning disabilities manage to excel in the workplace.)
If I was you I would concentrate on improving what you know are trouble spots for you. If you had trouble keeping up the pace due to not finding things at your old job, the best thing do to would be to take the time on your own hours to study the stock layout so you could do better when your on the clock. This is true for any person with any job, you always look for ways you can improve yourself and make yourself more valuable to a employer.
I think colleges give a lot of students a false impression of the real world. Schools and colleges go out of there way to try and accommodate the needs of all kinds of students for almost any issue - because they are getting paid tuition to do so. You will not find that to be the case with people who you want to hire and pay you. If you want something besides stocking shelves or Goodwill training, you will have to focus on ways you can overcome your particular set of issues - not expect an employer to accommodate them. (It's best if you can prove yourself a valuable employee, and only after that, go to a manger and explain since you excel at X but not so much a Y, then maybe keep me only working on X so that my time is used most wisely. Once you prove your value to an employer you might find they are willing to accommodate certain issues because you have proven your worth to them.)
Being trans already makes getting hired more difficult in many cases, don't add more hurdles by detailing all the things you can't do/ need special treatment for. Focus on listing the skills and good things you can bring to a job, not the things you "can't do" or need accommodations for.
Lastly, you might want to look into learning a needed skill where you could be self-employed if you don't think you can handle the demands of a typical 9-5 and boss/manger. Being a house painter, upholstery, cleaning/organizing houses, pet sitting, etc... any services that are needed by people and that you think you can provide.
Universities and colleges are open to people with disabilities and it's a protected class, at least at the school I work and it's not fast paced compared to the private sector.
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Quote from: MirnaMinkoff on February 11, 2017, 07:36:17 AM
People have offered lots of good advice, but you are going to have to do this on your own.
I don't know how :(
Quote from: MirnaMinkoff on February 11, 2017, 07:36:17 AM
If you want some honesty no employer is going to hire someone who sits down and starts detailing all the special accommodations they will need to do a job. Why would they? They are running a business and want to pay someone to do a job as specified, you can't expect an employer to try and change their needs to accommodate your very particular set of circumstances when they can hire 100 other people that don't need those accommodations.
Because it's the right thing to do because many like myself struggle to find employment and most are in poverty because of attitudes like this??
Quote from: MirnaMinkoff on February 11, 2017, 07:36:17 AM
If I was you I would concentrate on improving what you know are trouble spots for you. If you had trouble keeping up the pace due to not finding things at your old job, the best thing do to would be to take the time on your own hours to study the stock layout so you could do better when your on the clock. This is true for any person with any job, you always look for ways you can improve yourself and make yourself more valuable to a employer.
I do make efforts to overcome and focus on what I can do and what I'm good at but sadly in the workplace that isn't enough people need to be more understanding.
Quote from: MirnaMinkoff on February 11, 2017, 07:36:17 AM
I think colleges give a lot of students a false impression of the real world. Schools and colleges go out of there way to try and accommodate the needs of all kinds of students for almost any issue - because they are getting paid tuition to do so. You will not find that to be the case with people who you want to hire and pay you. If you want something besides stocking shelves or Goodwill training, you will have to focus on ways you can overcome your particular set of issues - not expect an employer to accommodate them. (It's best if you can prove yourself a valuable employee, and only after that, go to a manger and explain since you excel at X but not so much a Y, then maybe keep me only working on X so that my time is used most wisely. Once you prove your value to an employer you might find they are willing to accommodate certain issues because you have proven your worth to them.)
Whats wrong with having workplaces helping with job performance?? Would you rather me be working with accommodations or living off disability??
Quote from: MirnaMinkoff on February 11, 2017, 07:36:17 AM
Lastly, you might want to look into learning a needed skill where you could be self-employed if you don't think you can handle the demands of a typical 9-5 and boss/manger. Being a house painter, upholstery, cleaning/organizing houses, pet sitting, etc... any services that are needed by people and that you think you can provide.
I have neither the know how and resources to do this plus over-saturation where I live.
Agree lots of people here have given you good advice. All you can do now is apply for loads of entry level jobs and hope for the best. If you get an interview explain what you have difficulties with but if you don't get the job; that's fine. You will get one eventually although it'll likely take a long time. And if you do get a job and don't like it; try to stick with it as long as you can because it's still good experience. But if you really can't stand it leave and try again. If you're at a place for only a month you don't need to add it onto a CV.
Sorry to sound blunt but this is simply been my experience of job hunting. It's demoralising, pointless and soul destroying but unexpectedly you'll move forward.
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 11, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
I don't know how :(
Because it's the right thing to do because many like myself struggle to find employment and most are in poverty because of attitudes like this??
I do make efforts to overcome and focus on what I can do and what I'm good at but sadly in the workplace that isn't enough people need to be more understanding.
Whats wrong with having workplaces helping with job performance?? Would you rather me be working with accommodations or living off disability??
I have neither the know how and resources to do this plus over-saturation where I live.
Emily, I agree with your feelings, but many employers, particularly if they have no mandate of law with regards to gender as a protected class, don't do the right thing. I think that it's best to target companies that do. That said, old school corporate culture runs on fear, and uses it to manipulate and control the workforce. It's changing, but not fast enough. I have found the writings of Liz Ryan to be fabulous and helpful with regards to the workplace. She's a huge proponent of ridding fear from it. She used to be an HR executive and now has a consulting business helping people be all they can be with regards to work. The HRC (Human Rights Campaign) has a CEI (Corporate Equality Index) database that rates companies and municipalities. You should consult it in any job search. I would also say that colleges and universities tend to have progressive policies in regards to gender identity and would be a good place to look. I work at one of the largest public universities in the country and not only is gender identity protected, but so is autism and depression.
Quote from: Gertrude on February 12, 2017, 10:59:13 AM
Emily, I agree with your feelings, but many employers, particularly if they have no mandate of law with regards to gender as a protected class, don't do the right thing. I think that it's best to target companies that do. That said, old school corporate culture runs on fear, and uses it to manipulate and control the workforce. It's changing, but not fast enough. I have found the writings of Liz Ryan to be fabulous and helpful with regards to the workplace. She's a huge proponent of ridding fear from it. She used to be an HR executive and now has a consulting business helping people be all they can be with regards to work. The HRC (Human Rights Campaign) has a CEI (Corporate Equality Index) database that rates companies and municipalities. You should consult it in any job search. I would also say that colleges and universities tend to have progressive policies in regards to gender identity and would be a good place to look. I work at one of the largest public universities in the country and not only is gender identity protected, but so is autism and depression.
Thank you glad someone agrees and understands :)
It's a shame most don't seem to and I don't get it why would anyone not want businesses/employers help those who may need help in the workplace so as long they can do the job to a certain degree what difference does it make?? What difference does it make say someone works at a distribution center as a picker, where they go around picking items to be processed for delivery, and say they have to pick 100 items every hour and they, due to having a learning disability and/or are on the spectrum, etc., only are able to pick about 50-70 items every hour but they don't slack off, call out unless severely sick/injured, come in late, and don't get an attitude with management why should that person be fired?? Sadly there are people that think they should be :(
Oh here in Tennessee there's a bill that's been filed that's gonna outlaw anti-discrimination laws and that also includes those with disabilities.
As for colleges/universities what can they hire me for that doesn't require a master degree and I only have a two year degree??
At any/every college:
Clerical office type work
Library help
Maintenance/custodian
Book Store
Cafeteria
Student support services
Tours/admissions
Special events
Print shop
How about
local parks and recreation department
Are you good with kids? How about local daycare provider
Retail? Places like Home Depot have opportunities for advancement and are "T" friendly
These jobs might not sound like much but I work for a large bank and one of the cafeteria cashiers is not a manager in one of the customer services area. She started out barely speaking English but was friendly with everyone in the cafeteria and she learned people's names and talked to them while ringing up their lunch. She eventually moved to a teller's position then to managers of the tellers. It wouldn't surprise me if she ends up running everything. Baby steps. Be nice. Don't burden potential employers with your problems - they don't care.
Burden?? What do you mean?? A disability isn't a burden??
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 12, 2017, 02:22:20 PM
I don't get it why would anyone not want businesses/employers help those who may need help in the workplace so as long they can do the job to a certain degree what difference does it make??
Because there are other people out there who don't need help who can do the job and also won't slack off, call out, come in late, or have an attitude. Especially if it's something quota based like the distribution center job you mentioned. When they hire someone, they are looking for someone that can meet the standard in place. If you can only do half of the standard with accommodation, that means that they would need to hire another person to do the other half of your work, or your coworkers or supervisor would need to do extra work to make up for what you can't do. It is very tough to justify that.
I hire people in my company for hourly positions. They need to be able to move quickly and meet or beat the clock on the work they are assigned. If it takes them too long or they are inaccurate, my salaried guys will not want to work with them because they end up having to pick up the slack. And frankly, I pay those guys too much to have them spending their time on that - I'd be having people whose time is worth $100/hour doing the work of a person whose time is worth $15/hour. It's not profitable for the business and it puts more stress on the people who are actually bringing money in. At the end of the day, the function of a business is to deliver a profit to its shareholders. As much as we might like to be inclusive or hire someone that needs accommodation because it would feel good to do so, it would only feel good until I get fired or I get more work piled on because the person I hired can't do what we need them to do.
Denise has a good list there about college positions. Even a small community college likely has some openings like that you could get into.
My honest advice is to stop thinking so much about why you couldn't do a certain job or work in a certain business/field. Just apply. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. Any job is better than no job.
Quote from: FTMax on February 12, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
Because there are other people out there who don't need help who can do the job and also won't slack off, call out, come in late, or have an attitude. Especially if it's something quota based like the distribution center job you mentioned. When they hire someone, they are looking for someone that can meet the standard in place. If you can only do half of the standard with accommodation, that means that they would need to hire another person to do the other half of your work, or your coworkers or supervisor would need to do extra work to make up for what you can't do. It is very tough to justify that.
I hire people in my company for hourly positions. They need to be able to move quickly and meet or beat the clock on the work they are assigned. If it takes them too long or they are inaccurate, my salaried guys will not want to work with them because they end up having to pick up the slack. And frankly, I pay those guys too much to have them spending their time on that - I'd be having people whose time is worth $100/hour doing the work of a person whose time is worth $15/hour. It's not profitable for the business and it puts more stress on the people who are actually bringing money in. At the end of the day, the function of a business is to deliver a profit to its shareholders. As much as we might like to be inclusive or hire someone that needs accommodation because it would feel good to do so, it would only feel good until I get fired or I get more work piled on because the person I hired can't do what we need them to do.
I still don't get why wouldn't give people a chance that need it.
Why are you against this??
Quote from: FTMax on February 12, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
Denise has a good list there about college positions. Even a small community college likely has some openings like that you could get into.
I appreciate what she's done to help now if only I can get my college to hire me for something I can't even get a student job there :(
Quote from: FTMax on February 12, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
My honest advice is to stop thinking so much about why you couldn't do a certain job or work in a certain business/field. Just apply. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. Any job is better than no job.
I am focusing on my strengths and what I know I'm capable of doing but I can't ignore the shortcomings my disability brings that's how you get false assumptions from managers, supervisors, and co-workers alike it happened on both jobs I had and I'm not letting it happen again.
I think you're underestimating just how much competition there is in the job market right now, even in minimum wage or entry level work. The older generation is taking longer to retire than expected, so you have a lot of overqualified young people stuck in these low level jobs until something better opens up, and every year more and more are coming out of college and taking what they can find as administrative assistants, retail workers, fast food managers, etc.
Annually, I have one entry level opening. For that one opening, I can easily get 500 resumes. That's 500 people who want the 1 job I will have available all year. I want the best of the best from that 500. Someone who can do the job I have available, fit in with the team I already have in place, mesh with the company culture, and grow into other roles. From that 500 I interview 10 people only, and I need to be 100% confident that the person I hire can do all of the things above.
Literally all 500 of those people would love a chance, and many of them need it. But my responsibility is to my company's owner, his partners, our clients, and the staff I currently have in place - not an applicant. If someone says to me before they're even hired that they aren't going to be able to meet the bare minimum, I can't in good faith hire them because it would not be a good decision for the business as a whole. It would be much different if I've already committed to this person and they come to me after being hired and tell me that they're having a rough time. I would not be happy about it, but I would try to make it work for them because obviously I thought they were a good enough fit to hire in the first place.
That is the difference. I wholeheartedly do not recommend taking what you probably see as a proactive approach in letting people know up front that you have concerns about your ability to do the work. Get someone to like you first and hire you, then try your best. If your best is not good enough, then have that conversation. By telling them up front, IMO you are sabotaging yourself.
Then how are those with disabilities supposed to get a job?? Some of us need to be up front of our limitations that doesn't mean we can't do the work it's that there needs to be an understanding that while we're not perfect we can be productive :)
Majority of us don't want to live off disability
Don't make this about people with disabilities in general. This is about your specific case that you still require advice on. From everything you personally have said here, I do not think you need to say anything to a potential employer about your ability to do work.
And again, I would recommend that you don't say anything until after you're hired and have tried doing the job as expected for a period of time. What if it turns out that you wouldn't have needed any accommodation whatsoever, but they had other candidates so bringing it up in advance meant you never got the job in the first place?
I'd also recommend again that if you really want to work and all that matters to you is becoming employed, to actually start applying to jobs. All the jobs. Every single one that you are qualified for, with no overthinking about what you can and can't do.
If you google "jobs for persons with disabilities" there are several job boards that cater to that population. Companies have to pay to post on these places, so if they're posting there, they are open to hiring people with disabilities and will have the means to support them.
Quote from: FTMax on February 12, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
I'd also recommend again that if you really want to work and all that matters to you is becoming employed, to actually start applying to jobs. All the jobs. Every single one that you are qualified for, with no overthinking about what you can and can't do.
And what should I do after applying and applying and nobody hires me or I get constantly get fired due to job performance?? I need to know
Any services to recommend that can help me get and keep a job can I do supported employment??
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 12, 2017, 02:22:20 PM
Thank you glad someone agrees and understands :)
It's a shame most don't seem to and I don't get it why would anyone not want businesses/employers help those who may need help in the workplace so as long they can do the job to a certain degree what difference does it make?? What difference does it make say someone works at a distribution center as a picker, where they go around picking items to be processed for delivery, and say they have to pick 100 items every hour and they, due to having a learning disability and/or are on the spectrum, etc., only are able to pick about 50-70 items every hour but they don't slack off, call out unless severely sick/injured, come in late, and don't get an attitude with management why should that person be fired?? Sadly there are people that think they should be :(
Oh here in Tennessee there's a bill that's been filed that's gonna outlaw anti-discrimination laws and that also includes those with disabilities.
As for colleges/universities what can they hire me for that doesn't require a master degree and I only have a two year degree??
Most jobs are degree plus experience. My job only requires 7 years education and experience. I have a masters plus 23 years. There are plenty of things you'd qualify for where I work.
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Do you know of any jobs I can qualify for?? Anyway you could provide a list of companies that maybe I could work for that'll offer support whether they're in Tennessee or not?? Please and thank you
sigh
Some the responses I've gotten are some the reason I feel worthless all the time :(
And what is wrong with inclusion??
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 12, 2017, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: FTMax on February 12, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
I'd also recommend again that if you really want to work and all that matters to you is becoming employed, to actually start applying to jobs. All the jobs. Every single one that you are qualified for, with no overthinking about what you can and can't do.
And what should I do after applying and applying and nobody hires me or I get constantly get fired due to job performance?? I need to know
Any services to recommend that can help me get and keep a job can I do supported employment??
I'm fairly certain you would need a documented disability in order to qualify for any such service.
My issue is that you haven't applied to anything as far as you've said. Why worry about hypotheticals when you haven't even started to do anything?
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 12, 2017, 02:22:20 PMWhat difference does it make say someone works at a distribution center as a picker, where they go around picking items to be processed for delivery, and say they have to pick 100 items every hour and they, due to having a learning disability and/or are on the spectrum, etc., only are able to pick about 50-70 items every hour
You have to understand that, for better or for worse, businesses are interested in only one thing: making money. They make more money processing 100 items per hour than they do processing 50-70 items per hour. So, given the choice, they will hire the person who can process 100 items per hour. They will only hire a slower worker if a government subsidy gets them more money than for a faster worker.
You have to find something that you can do as well as the next worker. I understand that this is difficult. Hopefully you can find a vocational centre or similar agency that can help you with that search.
Quote from: KathyLauren on February 13, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
You have to understand that, for better or for worse, businesses are interested in only one thing: making money. They make more money processing 100 items per hour than they do processing 50-70 items per hour. So, given the choice, they will hire the person who can process 100 items per hour. They will only hire a slower worker if a government subsidy gets them more money than for a faster worker.
If businesses continue to be like that I hope their heartlessness puts them out of business. I get it they have to make money but I believe they can make efforts to hire and need to quit stigmatizing I can't help that I'm "slow" and can't help I need a little extra help and if employers/businesses can't understand there are people like me that are born with developmental difficulties and need help with job performance (no matter what job I'm gonna need it) then their business doesn't deserve to be in business.
Quote from: KathyLauren on February 13, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
You have to find something that you can do as well as the next worker. I understand that this is difficult. Hopefully you can find a vocational centre or similar agency that can help you with that search.
Do you know of any services that could help in or out of state that'll be much appreciated.
Quote from: FTMax on February 13, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
I'm fairly certain you would need a documented disability in order to qualify for any such service.
It's documented in fact I recently obtained a physical copy of it.
Quote from: FTMax on February 13, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
My issue is that you haven't applied to anything as far as you've said. Why worry about hypotheticals when you haven't even started to do anything?
Because those hypotheticals have happened to me and I don't want happening again. Can I just have an answer about those what ifs?? Please??
While I'm at it I'm gonna note that the counselor I been seeing at my college is helping me in getting and seeing what jobs I could perform and she knows of my past jobs and all the issues I have and the concerns about being able to perform job task without being fired for being too slow. Thankfully she understands and agrees that employers should give me a chance regardless. And I'm in the process of moving in with a friend so once I get moved in I'll be able to do more in getting help.
Take this as you will. I wouldn't hire you. You insist on concessions, but what the boss wants to hear is how you can help the company, not how you can make it less profitable. You exude a sense of entitlement and display a poor attitude.
If all you have is a gung-ho spirit, you need to be telling the boss that. Be waiting in the parking lot when the doors open. That's how you'll earn concessions, and respect. But you need to apply somewhere first. No one ever got a job by complaining on Susan's about not finding jobs that are easy.
Good luck.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 13, 2017, 06:46:17 PM
Take this as you will. I wouldn't hire you. You insist on concessions, but what the boss wants to hear is how you can help the company, not how you can make it less profitable. You exude a sense of entitlement and display a poor attitude.
If all you have is a gung-ho spirit, you need to be telling the boss that. Be waiting in the parking lot when the doors open. That's how you'll earn concessions, and respect. But you need to apply somewhere first. No one ever got a job by complaining on Susan's about not finding jobs that are easy.
Good luck.
Hugs, Devlyn
So because I'm gonna need some help I wouldn't be good for any company?? Really?? And that makes me have a sense of entitlement?? Really?? Sheesh no wonder why most that have either a learning disability, are on the spectrum, or both are living in poverty (go on ->-bleeped-<- and Wrong Planet to see what I mean) it's attitudes like this all I'm asking is for an employer to understand I'm not perfect but I work.
And if you must know I only seem to have a so-called gung ho spirit because I'm dealing with comments implying that business shouldn't have to hire those with disabilities like seriously what am I supposed to do live off the government only to be bad mouthed by those who won't give me a chance at employment??
You misunderstood. I'm saying you need to sell your strong points. If you have a strong work ethic, sell it. If you have a bubbly personality, sell it.
Business owners aren't being unfair by expecting a normal output from you. They're trying to feed their families and scrape together their pile of money. Nothing wrong with that. You can't do it by hiring twice as many workers as it really takes to get the job done.
Hugs, Devlyn
But they're being unfair for not wanting to be inclusive
I really don't see it as not wanting to be inclusive, though. The deal is as such: "Cook me X amount of Big Macs and I'll pay you Y amount of dollars." There really isn't any bargaining or negotiating beyond that. You sign a paper saying you are able to perform the work, and you are in a job contract. Like any contract, you're obligated to hold up your end.
Hugs, Devlyn
So what you suggest I and others with disabilities do then??
We need accommodations to help us perform the job what part is of that is so hard to understand??
Why are people against this??
I would like to add a comment as I can see this heading in a more heated direction. Emily will have to figure this out in her real life. Emily, you will have to do some trial and error to find your way. People are trying very hard to offer suggestions to help. I would urge that this effort of trying to help not turn into an exercise in expressing frustration. I am not claiming any magical answers. I don't think it serves anyone if this gets highly negative. This is a support site. People ask for help. Well meaning people offer ideas. Those ideas sometimes take root, sometimes not.
Monica
Tonight makes me wonder if some people here would like to see the Americans with Disabilities Act be repealed or something.
Sweetie, it would be amazing if we could wave the wand, and make this disappear - unfortunately this is a problem that can only be fixed by problem solving.
That means that you'll need to try some things, it means that you're going to have to 'have a go' and see if you can do the job asked. At the moment, your loop is limiting your self belief, and that in turn is raising your anxiety, and your reluctance.
I totally understand your frustration, but in the end you'll have gained skills in perseverance and resilience through your own self determination and desire to be independent.
You can do this - look at the range of folk offering suggestions, we're all here shouting you on from the bleachers, and we'll be congratulating you when you succeed....
Sno.
I'm saying as a business operator, I'm willing to be inclusive but not at the cost of the success of the business I run. The owner of my company has a wife and children to support. I have bills to pay. All of my employees have households to support. The investors would like to see a return on their investment. I owe it to all of those people to make very precise hiring decisions. I owe nothing to a random applicant except being willing to consider them for the position.
If someone were to say to me that their output in a job would be half of what was expected, I would only be willing to hire them if they would accept half the wages that I was planning to pay for the job originally. I'm going to have to come up with a way for the other half of that work to get done, and that will cost money whether it's hiring another part-time employee or having an existing employee absorb the work and deserving a raise as a result. The entry level jobs I have start at $15/hour. So if someone tells me they can only do half, I can only offer them $7.50/hour. I wouldn't be against doing it, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to do this work for that little amount of money.
Nobody anywhere is entitled to a job. It would certainly be nice if there was a job for everyone that wanted one and was qualified for it, but that's just not the case.
My suggestion is that you need to look into local resources for people with disabilities. If you have documentation, they should be able to point you towards work placement opportunities. I know of at least two county offices here that do that, as well as a handful of private organizations. I'd be shocked if there wasn't something similar where you are.
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 12:37:17 AM
Tonight makes me wonder if some people here would like to see the Americans with Disabilities Act be repealed or something.
You need to stop dropping offensive comments like this. Grow up.
I have only read a bit of this but it seems that this thread is getting heated for no reason. As someone who is diagnosed as autisitc (tho, high funcationing) in addition to other things i will say a few things. One, it is unfair if one has any impairment mentally or physically but an employer will be intrested only in hiring those most able for that job. Largely speaking, the amount of speed from ones producivity. As one points out many employers are willing to give those with special needs a fair chance either because of a subsidies or because they have faith a decent days of works can be accomplished from prospective hire. I have worked in kitchens, bakerys, retail (Costco, independent grocery, body shops), fast food joints, ect. My best advice would be if one has many impairments into retail or a call center for1st job experience. Call centers you sit at a desk for x amount of hours and take care, however if you do that i would adivce to be a inbound center rather then outbound. There would be a bit less angry people to deal with. Or retail! not hard at all just got to make sure you work on you time. One of my first jobs was working grill at McDonalds, in less then a year i became manager. Infact i became manager one month after coming out as transgender.. Most people, atleast in Canada dont care if you are autistc and or trans as long as you get the job done. There were so many people mad at me that i became manager within 10 months of working there when other worked years and years >: ).. But i always took every call in, stayed late, took other shifts, ect. I too have issues learning and picking some stuff up at first,but once i get into it there is no stopping me!. I a not making this, or i am trying not to make this about me. However, i am trying to say i got similar things like you do. Sometimes one really needs to go out of their comfort zone and tackle new things in order to move forth. And beleive me it is HARD, but transition is beelvie it or not harder. baby steps! I believe in you <3,
Re-reading some stuff you have posted in regards to former employment with Wal Mart, i suggest maybe try a call center. Or a customer service hot line at like Sears or something. I think that would be a better start for you!
Perhaps what you need dear is a bit of inspiration. Here's a quote on work from the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.:
Whatever your life's work is, do it well. Even if it does not fall in the category of one of the so-called big professions, do it well. As one college president said, "A man should do his job so well that the living, the dead, and the unborn could do it no better." If it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets like Michelangelo painted pictures, like Shakespeare wrote poetry, like Beethoven composed music; sweep streets so well that all the host of Heaven and earth will have to pause and say, "Here lived a great street sweeper, who swept his job well."
Quote from: SailorMars1994 on February 14, 2017, 09:35:19 AM
I have only read a bit of this but it seems that this thread is getting heated for no reason. As someone who is diagnosed as autisitc (tho, high funcationing) in addition to other things i will say a few things. One, it is unfair if one has any impairment mentally or physically but an employer will be intrested only in hiring those most able for that job. Largely speaking, the amount of speed from ones producivity. As one points out many employers are willing to give those with special needs a fair chance either because of a subsidies or because they have faith a decent days of works can be accomplished from prospective hire. I have worked in kitchens, bakerys, retail (Costco, independent grocery, body shops), fast food joints, ect. My best advice would be if one has many impairments into retail or a call center for1st job experience. Call centers you sit at a desk for x amount of hours and take care, however if you do that i would adivce to be a inbound center rather then outbound. There would be a bit less angry people to deal with. Or retail! not hard at all just got to make sure you work on you time. One of my first jobs was working grill at McDonalds, in less then a year i became manager. Infact i became manager one month after coming out as transgender.. Most people, atleast in Canada dont care if you are autistc and or trans as long as you get the job done. There were so many people mad at me that i became manager within 10 months of working there when other worked years and years >: ).. But i always took every call in, stayed late, took other shifts, ect. I too have issues learning and picking some stuff up at first,but once i get into it there is no stopping me!. I a not making this, or i am trying not to make this about me. However, i am trying to say i got similar things like you do. Sometimes one really needs to go out of their comfort zone and tackle new things in order to move forth. And beleive me it is HARD, but transition is beelvie it or not harder. baby steps! I believe in you <3,
Between you , HappyMoni, and Gertrude ya are the only ones that understand what do you think I should do if I'm truly deemed unsuitable for the workplace my disability impairs my speed greatly in my diagnosis report there's an entire page just for that. I just wish everyone else will realize this is what I been trying to say I'm not choosing to be a slow seemingly unproductive worker I can do jobs just not the speed they expect maybe I need a brain transplant.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 14, 2017, 09:17:13 AM
You need to stop dropping offensive comments like this. Grow up.
You know whats offensive most of the responses I gotten here these past three nights.
Quote from: FTMax on February 14, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
I'm saying as a business operator, I'm willing to be inclusive but not at the cost of the success of the business I run. The owner of my company has a wife and children to support. I have bills to pay. All of my employees have households to support. The investors would like to see a return on their investment. I owe it to all of those people to make very precise hiring decisions. I owe nothing to a random applicant except being willing to consider them for the position.
If someone were to say to me that their output in a job would be half of what was expected, I would only be willing to hire them if they would accept half the wages that I was planning to pay for the job originally. I'm going to have to come up with a way for the other half of that work to get done, and that will cost money whether it's hiring another part-time employee or having an existing employee absorb the work and deserving a raise as a result. The entry level jobs I have start at $15/hour. So if someone tells me they can only do half, I can only offer them $7.50/hour. I wouldn't be against doing it, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to do this work for that little amount of money.
Nobody anywhere is entitled to a job. It would certainly be nice if there was a job for everyone that wanted one and was qualified for it, but that's just not the case.
Ok what do you suggest then should I really be unsuitable for the workforce?? I want an answer even if its the one I don't want to hear I'm just tired of this being ignored every time I ask.
Quote from: FTMax on February 14, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
My suggestion is that you need to look into local resources for people with disabilities. If you have documentation, they should be able to point you towards work placement opportunities. I know of at least two county offices here that do that, as well as a handful of private organizations. I'd be shocked if there wasn't something similar where you are.
I been looking and researching this myself maybe I'm not searching right but I turn up empty each time luckily my counselor is helping on this and is getting in contact with people in and outside the system.
If you spent half as much time looking for work as you do typing rebuttals, we wouldn't be having this conversation. :laugh:
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 14, 2017, 09:59:59 PM
If you spent half as much time looking for work as you do typing rebuttals, we wouldn't be having this conversation. :laugh:
I do though :D :D :D
And why you even posting here if you're not even gonna help
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
Between you , HappyMoni, and Gertrude ya are the only ones that understand what do you think I should do if I'm truly deemed unsuitable for the workplace my disability impairs my speed greatly in my diagnosis report there's an entire page just for that. I just wish everyone else will realize this is what I been trying to say I'm not choosing to be a slow seemingly unproductive worker I can do jobs just not the speed they expect maybe I need a brain transplant.
You know whats offensive most of the responses I gotten here these past three nights.
Ok what do you suggest then should I really be unsuitable for the workforce?? I want an answer even if its the one I don't want to hear I'm just tired of this being ignored every time I ask.
I been looking and researching this myself maybe I'm not searching right but I turn up empty each time luckily my counselor is helping on this and is getting in contact with people in and outside the system.
So you are saying you finally went and obtained a diagnosis. Did I miss the post where you told us all what that diagnosis happens to actually be?
The reason I ask is because my wife is a social worker here in California and she works for a government agency that provides housing, services and job placements for people with autism and other disabilities. But she never works without having a full diagnosis available first.
And I do not see how anyone here could help you without similar knowledge.
Its a diagnosis for learning disability I've actually had it since like grade school
Still not getting why people are against helping deal with job performance
Like most don't get how bad it is to be criticized all the time just because I can't do things in perfect way or because I am too slow when I'm trying not to be and to lose two jobs because if it what is wrong with me wanting an employer to be more understanding and inclusive trust me if I didn't have conditions that impair a fair amount of how I function I wouldn't be talking about this constantly.
Instead of insisting that business have the right to not hire the disabled why not give me a list of all companies that make efforts to do so and why not give me lists of more services than already given I don't know what all exists to help people like me and all my searching leads to empty leads.
And if anyone insist I be self employed why not lead me to resources that will help me there.
It's really all I'm asking
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 11:35:19 PM
Still not getting why people are against helping deal with job performance
Because other people like to eat and have a roof over their head as well. Money isn't in infinite resource so priorities need to be made as to where it should be spent.
Still not a valid reason and as I said earlier why even post if not gonna help
I think everyone should calm down a little.
I interview many people for job positions and one of the early questions I ask is: "I'm interviewing X people for the position that you have applied for; why should I employ you?"
This gives the applicants a chance to expand on what they can bring to the job. It doesn't matter what job, the applicant has to bring something to it.
Recently I have started a new question. After asking what problems an applicant may have in doing the job, I give them a whiteboard marker and tell them to show me how they will overcome the problem. It makes them face a decision making process.
Now, how would you deal with these two situations?
This is an opportunity to face how to deal with your issues in a practical way. So?
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 11:49:35 PM
Like most don't get how bad it is to be criticized all the time just because I can't do things in perfect way or because I am too slow when I'm trying not to be and to lose two jobs because if it what is wrong with me wanting an employer to be more understanding and inclusive trust me if I didn't have conditions that impair a fair amount of how I function I wouldn't be talking about this constantly.
Instead of insisting that business have the right to not hire the disabled why not give me a list of all companies that make efforts to do so and why not give me lists of more services than already given I don't know what all exists to help people like me and all my searching leads to empty leads.
And if anyone insist I be self employed why not lead me to resources that will help me there.
It's really all I'm asking
I mentioned before that you could do yard work. Look what this young man is doing. He wants things, and he goes and gets them.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/southeast/autism-awareness-wakerley-teenager-starts-small-business-to-learn-job-skills/news-story/486a3ba9076eaf5bf59e39741a32b035
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
Ok what do you suggest then should I really be unsuitable for the workforce?? I want an answer even if its the one I don't want to hear I'm just tired of this being ignored every time I ask.
Being 100% honest, I don't think you've tried enough to actually know what you'd be good at. That is why I suggest applying for everything you can. If you wash out of it, you wash out of it but at least you'd know why it wasn't a good fit and you can say that you gave it an honest effort. But you sit here on the outside shooting down every suggestion based on previous experience that might not be applicable. Do you not think you've evolved at all since you were last employed? Were there no lessons you could take from that work into your next job? I think you're sabotaging yourself so that you don't have to actually try.
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 11:49:35 PM
Like most don't get how bad it is to be criticized all the time just because I can't do things in perfect way or because I am too slow when I'm trying not to be and to lose two jobs because if it what is wrong with me wanting an employer to be more understanding and inclusive trust me if I didn't have conditions that impair a fair amount of how I function I wouldn't be talking about this constantly.
If a "fair amount of how you function" is impaired and you have a documented disability, you probably qualify for SSDI or SSI. Perhaps while you are looking for work you could also apply to those so that you could potentially have at least some level of income.
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 11:49:35 PM
Instead of insisting that business have the right to not hire the disabled why not give me a list of all companies that make efforts to do so and why not give me lists of more services than already given I don't know what all exists to help people like me and all my searching leads to empty leads.
I told you exactly what to search for in a previous post. There are job boards that cater to people with disabilities where friendly companies post positions. You may not qualify for any of the positions posted, but you'd at least be able to see which companies are open to hiring people with disabilities.
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 14, 2017, 11:49:35 PM
And if anyone insist I be self employed why not lead me to resources that will help me there.
If you want to be self employed you need to have an in demand skill and the means to market yourself. If you can code, do design work, take stock photos, run social media profiles, etc. make a Fiverr account and start there. I would actually suggest going to Fiverr and seeing the breadth of work being done. I'm sure you could find something that you're able to do. Doing $5 projects may not seem like a great way to make money, but you'd build a portfolio of work and you'd be able to demonstrate to potential customers why they should hire you in the future. You could also use that portfolio of work in regular job interviews to demonstrate your skills.
Quote from: FTMax on February 15, 2017, 08:32:16 AM
Being 100% honest, I don't think you've tried enough to actually know what you'd be good at. That is why I suggest applying for everything you can. If you wash out of it, you wash out of it but at least you'd know why it wasn't a good fit and you can say that you gave it an honest effort. But you sit here on the outside shooting down every suggestion based on previous experience that might not be applicable. Do you not think you've evolved at all since you were last employed? Were there no lessons you could take from that work into your next job? I think you're sabotaging yourself so that you don't have to actually try.
Yes I have tried enough more than enough in fact. The only lesson I learned is to find an understanding company that knows I'll be a reliable and productive worker despite having a disability that makes me unintentionally work slow my counselor agrees wholeheartedly why can't anyone else??
Quote from: FTMax on February 15, 2017, 08:32:16 AM
If a "fair amount of how you function" is impaired and you have a documented disability, you probably qualify for SSDI or SSI. Perhaps while you are looking for work you could also apply to those so that you could potentially have at least some level of income.
I want to avoid that all completely for one the process is grueling to the point it can takes years and second if I were to be approved $700 a month isn't enough for rent even in rural Tennessee. And the same ones here that are against disability accommodations will probably criticize me for that too.
Quote from: FTMax on February 15, 2017, 08:32:16 AM
I told you exactly what to search for in a previous post. There are job boards that cater to people with disabilities where friendly companies post positions. You may not qualify for any of the positions posted, but you'd at least be able to see which companies are open to hiring people with disabilities.
My searches always come up empty which why I continue to ask if anyone else can provide links and lists of employer and services.
Quote from: FTMax on February 15, 2017, 08:32:16 AM
If you want to be self employed you need to have an in demand skill and the means to market yourself. If you can code, do design work, take stock photos, run social media profiles, etc. make a Fiverr account and start there. I would actually suggest going to Fiverr and seeing the breadth of work being done. I'm sure you could find something that you're able to do. Doing $5 projects may not seem like a great way to make money, but you'd build a portfolio of work and you'd be able to demonstrate to potential customers why they should hire you in the future. You could also use that portfolio of work in regular job interviews to demonstrate your skills.
Tried coding can't grasp it to save my life. Still think about doing photos (after all photography is my life) but steady income isn't there and I looked into stuttershock I be lucky to make $5 which for many that done this it took them months to years to get at least one sale.
Again what should I do if nothing works??
I'd suggest looking at working in university as well as government jobs as those arenas -- at least where I am do hire disabled. As you probably know, ADA requires employers to make reasonable accommodation for individual ability. Whether you talk to them about that up front is a choice. The best advice I can offer is that short of a sheltered workshop environment, employers hire everyone recognizing a range of skills and they pay accordingly.
So, contrary to advice you're getting, I'm sure there's a job for you. The best thoughts I have for you are don't be stuck on what if things don't work out and be creative about what you want to do and find a way to do it. One thing my ex wife learned in a job teaching severely disabled populations was that 'disability' always masked impressive abilities that most people don't see.
It's been my experience that anyone who truly wants to learn a skill or trade can make progress, desire goes farther than raw ability nearly all the time.
Quote from: SadieBlake on February 16, 2017, 07:17:31 AM
I'd suggest looking at working in university as well as government jobs as those arenas -- at least where I am do hire disabled. As you probably know, ADA requires employers to make reasonable accommodation for individual ability. Whether you talk to them about that up front is a choice. The best advice I can offer is that short of a sheltered workshop environment, employers hire everyone recognizing a range of skills and they pay accordingly.
So, contrary to advice you're getting, I'm sure there's a job for you. The best thoughts I have for you are don't be stuck on what if things don't work out and be creative about what you want to do and find a way to do it. One thing my ex wife learned in a job teaching severely disabled populations was that 'disability' always masked impressive abilities that most people don't see.
It's been my experience that anyone who truly wants to learn a skill or trade can make progress, desire goes farther than raw ability nearly all the time.
Thank goodness someone else that understands :)
Good news is that my college counselor is gonna speak with personal not only at my college but other colleges as well to see about hiring me for job position she's even trying to see if my college could create a job position for me. And yes she let me know there no guarantee but we'll see what happens. Hoping for the best.
You are right 'disability' does mask like I can talk about all my strengths but in the end all they see is someone with "special needs" issues. The issue I always run into about wanting to learn a new skill is that no one wants to deal with a slow learner unfortunately.
To those who refuse to understand my circumstances and are against those with disabilities needing job accommodations/supported employment ya are no better than the people who work at my local temp agency that always laugh at in face everytime I go there.
And instead of making anti accommodation comments why not actually help and not ignore my requests for lists of employers/companies that hire and help those with disabilities. Just saying.
Oh and thank you for making me realize more than ever that I am totally useless to society
To those who refuse to understand my circumstances and are against those with disabilities needing job accommodations/supported employment ya are no better than the people who work at my local temp agency that always laugh at in face everytime I go there.
And instead of making anti accommodation comments why not actually help and not ignore my requests for lists of employers/companies that hire and help those with disabilities. Just saying.
Oh and thank you for making me realize more than ever that I am totally useless to society and that's not sarcasm either.
Emily as a fellow autisitc sister in arms i can empythize with you on your struggles. I am not in your shoes but i can relate in certian ways. I think everyone here needs a big chill pill. I will not down play your struggles. but there have been alot of people who have given you some really good advice. I doubt anyone here wants to see people with disabilities be discriminated agaisnt, or atleast people with a heart dot want that. But at the same time, people have been trying. I have said try a customer service hotline for a store like Sears or what not. Others have said maybe do some kind of farm work. You will have to learn how to manage a computer in one and in the other you will have to be willing to labour around. You can also do what i did as a teenager living in rural Ontario and do some independent landscapinng or find a landscapping company. Lawn work, building treches, building fences, snow removal, house seceruity, tending to plants, ect is really fun if you can bare the heat and seeing how you live in Tennessee and not Ontario i can safley say the winter temps will rarely be physically impossible to not start/finish a task.
This is not a lecture and please do not take it as one, but many people have been trying to give you ideas. It will be up to you at some point to decide what one is best to take. You may even have to do some job hopping. I will say avoid kitchens and construction. They are very fast pace and at times both can be grueling hard. So try something like landscaping, it is , in my experimnce, slower pace (but be prepared to sweat like a hog) comparred to other things but you learn quite a bit or do a cusotmer service line.
Quote from: SailorMars1994 on February 17, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Emily as a fellow autisitc sister in arms i can empythize with you on your struggles. I am not in your shoes but i can relate in certian ways. I think everyone here needs a big chill pill. I will not down play your struggles. but there have been alot of people who have given you some really good advice. I doubt anyone here wants to see people with disabilities be discriminated agaisnt, or atleast people with a heart dot want that. But at the same time, people have been trying. I have said try a customer service hotline for a store like Sears or what not. Others have said maybe do some kind of farm work. You will have to learn how to manage a computer in one and in the other you will have to be willing to labour around. You can also do what i did as a teenager living in rural Ontario and do some independent landscapinng or find a landscapping company. Lawn work, building treches, building fences, snow removal, house seceruity, tending to plants, ect is really fun if you can bare the heat and seeing how you live in Tennessee and not Ontario i can safley say the winter temps will rarely be physically impossible to not start/finish a task.
This is not a lecture and please do not take it as one, but many people have been trying to give you ideas. It will be up to you at some point to decide what one is best to take. You may even have to do some job hopping. I will say avoid kitchens and construction. They are very fast pace and at times both can be grueling hard. So try something like landscaping, it is , in my experimnce, slower pace (but be prepared to sweat like a hog) comparred to other things but you learn quite a bit. or do a cusotmer service line.
Thank you again for being one the few that understands. I just wanna say I have really tried following most the advice I gotten it's that I come up empty everytime I make an attempt to follow through and also I don't know half the time how to follow some the advice either and when I ask for extra guidance I get nothing. I'm also finally realizing too when it comes to learning a skill no one wants a slow learner like me and sorry I have no way of changing that unless there some kind of brain surgery or something.
And about landscaping I can't do it. It's not that I don't won't to I really physically can't do that kind of work I can barely lift 50 lbs as it is for lack of better word I've always been weak physically I mean I do something like stoking or something that requires a good amount of walking I can do but physically demanding jobs like landscaping, yard work, etc. is a no go plus my motor skills aren't the best either I couldn't tie my shoes till I was 12.
As for the weather in Tennessee I hate the heat wish it was 40-60 degrees year round :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 17, 2017, 11:19:59 PM
Thank you again for being one the few that understands. I just wanna say I have really tried following most the advice I gotten it's that I come up empty everytime I make an attempt to follow through and also I don't know half the time how to follow some the advice either and when I ask for extra guidance I get nothing. I'm also finally realizing too when it comes to learning a skill no one wants a slow learner like me and sorry I have no way of changing that unless there some kind of brain surgery or something.
And about landscaping I can't do it. It's not that I don't won't to I really physically can't do that kind of work I can barely lift 50 lbs as it is for lack of better word I've always been weak physically I mean I do something like stoking or something that requires a good amount of walking I can do but physically demanding jobs like landscaping, yard work, etc. is a no go plus my motor skills aren't the best either I couldn't tie my shoes till I was 12.
As for the weather in Tennessee I hate the heat wish it was 40-60 degrees year round :laugh: :laugh:
I just want everyone to get a long <3. I guess another suggestion would be to try and imorove your speed and strength and moter skills. You said you see a counsillor lady/gent yes? Perhaps try to do some therapy to improve on some of that and use those same skills out of therpay too. For what its worth i too have been canned from a few jobs. Almsot if not all the time when it is in a new feild because of some of the same things you have mentioned. But over time i learned to understand it and push my self to the hardest to deliver and going above and beyond which is why in many jobs i have had i get quickly promoted :D. For what its worth i could not tie my shoes until i wqs about 15 or so give or take. What i am trying to say is all these things are hard and it will take time but everyone needs to start somewhere.
Thinking about it have you thought outside the box. Maybe try to see if you can be like an appreticship hair styleist or maybe an appreticship in carpetry or wood working? Maybe try baker, thats my current job and i love it and am mastering it.. Work with cakes :D. Anyway think about these and i wish ya well
Hugs- Ashley
Quote from: SailorMars1994 on February 17, 2017, 11:33:31 PM
I just want everyone to get a long <3. I guess another suggestion would be to try and imorove your speed and strength and moter skills. You said you see a counsillor lady/gent yes? Perhaps try to do some therapy to improve on some of that and use those same skills out of therpay too. For what its worth i too have been canned from a few jobs. Almsot if not all the time when it is in a new feild because of some of the same things you have mentioned. But over time i learned to understand it and push my self to the hardest to deliver and going above and beyond which is why in many jobs i have had i get quickly promoted :D. For what its worth i could not tie my shoes until i wqs about 15 or so give or take. What i am trying to say is all these things are hard and it will take time but everyone needs to start somewhere.
How would I actually improve my speed and motor skills these are like natural impairments I have could I actually work around them?? I really have a hard time learning things if I'm not able to do it naturally are there ways to help with that?? What companies do you think I could work for??
Quote from: SailorMars1994 on February 17, 2017, 11:33:31 PM
Thinking about it have you thought outside the box. Maybe try to see if you can be like an appreticship hair styleist or maybe an appreticship in carpetry or wood working? Maybe try baker, thats my current job and i love it and am mastering it.. Work with cakes :D. Anyway think about these and i wish ya well
I found woodworking and hair stylist to be too difficult sorry. I've done baking and I rather just do it for fun and at my own pace.
Can you really afford right now to do anything for fun at your own pace that you are capable of getting paid for? I understand you want to look for the perfect fit, but if I remember right you were either trying to or in the process of moving and needing to pay rent.
Most grocery stores and some restaurants have night time bakers. You wouldn't have to interact with the public much at all, you'd just have to bake for most of the night, though you'd probably have to spend a little bit of time working during the day so you'd know what all to do at night. That's probably one of the better job recommendations in this thread honestly.
Quote from: FTMax on February 18, 2017, 08:37:37 AM
Can you really afford right now to do anything for fun at your own pace that you are capable of getting paid for? I understand you want to look for the perfect fit, but if I remember right you were either trying to or in the process of moving and needing to pay rent.
Considering I'm i the process of moving in with a friend that's letting me stay absolutely rent free I think I can afford to within reason of course.
You should really try Shutterstock. You have nothing to lose except the time it would take to create an account and upload photos, and that's just time bent over a keyboard. And making five or ten dollars here and there is better than making nothing. No one is going to give you that kind of money unless you stand on a freeway ramp with a cardboard sign, and selling content online is a lot easier.
I'll give it a try doubt I'll make any money but hey you're right it wouldn't hurt to try.
Good luck, hopefully we'll see some of your images there soon :)
Rowan
Just made a Shutterstock account. Now waiting for my personal (they needed a photo of my photo id :laugh:) and payout info to be verified and should start selling photos around this week. Hope I can make some money.
Nice one...I wish you every success. This is the kind of work that will suit you perfectly...well done
Liz
And I want to make a real positive note that I've finally got past feeling bad about leaving my parents. I still don't like I'm having to do that but yeah with everything I put up these last two years and knowing the freedom I'll truly have I can actually let go but will hope they'll reconcile one day my door will still be open.
On the plus side too I have a place to stay semi long term won't have to pay rent till I can get a job and luckily his place happens to be located near (like down the road near) a bank that's hiring for teller position hopefully I can get a job working there. Only thing now holding me back from moving right away are my possessions.
So pleased for you, this is real progress :) good luck with the teller application:)
Rowan
Quote from: EmilyRyan on February 19, 2017, 09:08:56 PM
And I want to make a real positive note that I've finally got past feeling bad about leaving my parents. I still don't like I'm having to do that but yeah with everything I put up these last two years and knowing the freedom I'll truly have I can actually let go but will hope they'll reconcile one day my door will still be open.
On the plus side too I have a place to stay semi long term won't have to pay rent till I can get a job and luckily his place happens to be located near (like down the road near) a bank that's hiring for teller position hopefully I can get a job working there. Only thing now holding me back from moving right away are my possessions.
Great news...leaving can be tough but just think of the adventures you can have :)
This job search been discouraging as all get out I find a job that I'm confident in doing and then read the requirements and such and they might as well say individuals with disabilities need not apply :(
Alrighty so I potentially have a job lined up at Kroger most likely doing stocking/inventory and yes I am excited and confident and I even gave a great impression to the personal when I was inquiring while in girl mode and not passing. I still have my concerns though how good is Kroger about working with those with a disability?? Will they fire me if they feel I'm too slow at putting things on the shelves?? I feel I have great potential here in doing what little I'm good at but I still worry about if they end up not liking my performance like everywhere else did like if Kroger fires me I'm not sure what I would do then.
Congrats!! that is awesome Emily! just give it 100%. Thats all i can say.
Congratulations! I'm sure you'll be fine, try to keep your expectations positive. You're off to a good start with this and anticipating poor performance just stresses you out.
In any job getting into a flow-state (look up w/ Google) is where you'd like to be. I think of it as focused on what you're doing in the moment and able to respond to change. Check in with us, and I'm glad to hear you're starting a job.
Thanks though I need to note I'm not hired yet and still need go through the application process and they're grateful enough to give me time to get moved out as well.
Work flow state doesn't seem to work for me at least in the past jobs I had it didn't. I just hope they'll be like "She maybe slow but she comes in on time and does her job and doesn't slack off". I seriously hope they can overlook my shortcomings.
Emily,
Don't defeat yourself with negative thoughts if you get this job. Be as conscientious as you can be. Places like this see people who are slower doing the job all the time. It makes a big difference to them if you are conscientious. If they have a different employee who is slow because of a crappy attitude, it is completely different. Do what they ask to the best of your ability. Be pleasant, smile at customers, do everything you can to create that spot for yourself. Don't give in to negative thoughts. Say to yourself, "I can handle this. I will handle this!"
Sorry, I have no response from my 'friend.' I was disappointed that I couldn't get that information for you. Hope you don't think I let you down.
Moni
It's ok you didn't let me down my situation is a difficult one. I'm uneasy now more than ever about working at Kroger I did some asking around and several people, that also have autism/learning disability, and it's not good like one person mentioned where a manager is always giving them a hard time about their work performance despite doing all efforts to improve. Last thing I need is that happening I really need to find an employer that won't do that or if they do at least be constructive and understanding of my condition :-\
Getting to the point I wish someone would just hire me out of pity don't have any other options
Did the people you spoke to with disabilities work at the Kroger location you're applying to? If not, then their experiences are moot. Every manager is a different person and they respond to people and situations differently. You can't assume that a manager at your location would respond the same as a manager at a completely different store. Don't sabotage yourself before you even start.
Agree with the last few posters. Dont but the cart before the horse. Keep a calm mind and do the best you possibley can. <3
Quote from: FTMax on March 05, 2017, 09:43:53 AM
Did the people you spoke to with disabilities work at the Kroger location you're applying to? If not, then their experiences are moot. Every manager is a different person and they respond to people and situations differently. You can't assume that a manager at your location would respond the same as a manager at a completely different store. Don't sabotage yourself before you even start.
If I can easily get fired from a place that is known for openly hiring those with disabilities (Goodwill) then sadly it's open season everywhere else in this country (and probably gonna get worse during these four years). Is there like anything else I can do besides simply doing my best anything I can protect myself from being fired???
Quote from: SailorMars1994 on March 05, 2017, 10:12:10 AM
Agree with the last few posters. Dont but the cart before the horse. Keep a calm mind and do the best you possibley can. <3
Could I simply talk to management let them know of my disability?? I really can't hide my quirks and they'll be obvious once I'm on the job that can't be helped I just hope they'll understand
Yeah but I need more than pep talk like what can I seriously do to make sure management understands??
Chic-Fil-A sucks....You don't want to work for these A-holes
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I give up
All my freaking efforts to get out my situation turn up empty another freaking rejection e-mail and not a chance for an interview
why!!??
I can't get no freaking help no matter how much I beg and plead
Everything I tried every suggestions given here turns up empty
Why are there no resources to help me I NEED A JOB AND FREAKING PLACE TO LIVE!!!!!
I HAVE A FREAKING DISABILITY THAT MAKES THINGS DIFFICULT I CANT"T FREAKING HELP THAT!!!!!!
WHY DOES THE U.S. HATE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHERE IS THE HELP ME NEED TO SUCCEED IN THIS FORSAKEN COUNTRY!!!!!!!????
I NEED A FREAKING JOB AND A PLACE TO LIVE WILL SOMEONE OUT THERE PLEASE HELP ME AND PUT THE PREJUDICE ABOUT DISABILITIES ASIDE
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
At this point I just want this topic closed and I'll leave everyone here alone.
I should know before now I'm not gonna get the help I keep asking for and I'm being ignored anyway
Emily.
I've spent the last 12 months applying for jobs.
I've no disability, it's just hard. Each day I just get up again, and try again. It's all I can do sweetie. 2 or 3 applications a week, some reject by text, some by email, some just don't bother at all.
I'm not 'old' but I am experienced at a high level in my field, and have been on very groundbreaking work, in my other country. Except here in my new country, it's as if none of that counts at all. I've had extended days when the desire to cease, has been very high. I'm rejected because I'm too experienced, to old, too young, too qualified, I'd get too bored, the role is too junior, the list goes on. And on. And on.
I do understand, and we are listening, keep on loading images to shutter stock, and the other commercial sites. It takes time for a following to build.
Join some Facebook groups, that are with your interests, promote your work. Heck, if a single photo can be sold for $4 million US, there has to be some hope. Try some portrait work, get practiced with photoshop, use the rules to be your strengths to master and follow identical techniques, to push your results higher. Enter competitions, you never know what might happen (a friend did once, on a whim, and is now running photography classes and tours). All of this takes time - you have plenty, and I'm sure you can succeed.
(Hugs)
Rowan
Quote from: Sno on March 05, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Emily.
I've spent the last 12 months applying for jobs.
I've no disability, it's just hard. Each day I just get up again, and try again. It's all I can do sweetie. 2 or 3 applications a week, some reject by text, some by email, some just don't bother at all.
I'm not 'old' but I am experienced at a high level in my field, and have been on very groundbreaking work, in my other country. Except here in my new country, it's as if none of that counts at all. I've had extended days when the desire to cease, has been very high. I'm rejected because I'm too experienced, to old, too young, too qualified, I'd get too bored, the role is too junior, the list goes on. And on. And on.
I do understand, and we are listening, keep on loading images to shutter stock, and the other commercial sites. It takes time for a following to build.
Join some Facebook groups, that are with your interests, promote your work. Heck, if a single photo can be sold for $4 million US, there has to be some hope. Try some portrait work, get practiced with photoshop, use the rules to be your strengths to master and follow identical techniques, to push your results higher. Enter competitions, you never know what might happen (a friend did once, on a whim, and is now running photography classes and tours). All of this takes time - you have plenty, and I'm sure you can succeed.
Been going two years here now
I don't know anymore just give me a reason why I just shouldn't kill myself like I tried over the holidays and the worse part are the heartless responses I've got back around the last two months. I don't need my disability ignored that's part of why I got fired from the two jobs I had. I need an understanding employer can someone here give me a list of those that are??
Sweetie, if I had that information, I'd've sent it like a shot.
There is one place that may know, and that's your careers advice team at college, but it varies, country to country, state to state, town to town, and they only way to find out is by asking around, or looking to see which employer locally has a few folk who are less able working for them...
Rowan
I've tried them countless times they keep coming up empty I just need to finally accept i'm not good enough for any job, to society, my parents, etc. I'm better off not living at all
With all do respect Emily I am going to do to you what a girl named JenTay did to me. Its tough loving time. We have given you plenty of good advice as Sadie mentioned. Not just advice but also companies and businesses that could be of great service to you to work at. I even mentioned to you as someone who also suffers from a form of autism that a baking job at your local grocery store would probably be right up your ally. I mentioned that and you said you would pass on that. The issue is if you want to move on in your current sitation you will have to settle for a job you probably dont want until you can find one you will want. One way or another your resume needs to be built on. We can give you all the advice until you are blue in the face, however we cant solve your setbacks on a personal level. I understand the feelings of hurt and hopelessness, not just yestarday i was thinking of pulling the plug on all the things that matter to me. But, one has to keep moving on. So you got turned down at this current job, thats one in a million. I have had over ten jobs in my short working life, somestimes 2 jobs at a time. But i probably applied to over 100 places in those years. Just dont let one thing trip you up. Dont let yourself be feeling so upset at that thing that you will think of pulling the plug on your dreams, goals and even your own life. Dont allow that darkness to come in. Keep looking and dont put the carriage before the horse either!
Hugs-Ashley
I am applying to jobs I don't really want
They won't even hire me
So yeah I know for a fact I'm not good enough for anyone or anything
Honey, it's a sign of the times. Don't take it personal. There's a ton of folks out there that can't find jobs. They have worth and so do you. But if you won't believe you have value, how can you possibly expect anyone else to? Your self confidence is what will attract others to you. Without it, you're a rudderless ship. People are selfish by their nature. They're attracted to what you can offer them. If that is helplessness and negativity, they're going to naturally recoil. Stand outside your body and look at you, objectively. Do you want to know you?
Be proud, be confident, hold your head high and demand respect,.... respectfully. Visualize a world you want and then actualize your behavior and energies to make it happen. This is how it's done, even by people who don't understand the dynamic. Wayne Dyer stated very eloquently, that the old adage "I'll believe it when I see it, was ass backwards. The reality, he stated, is actually, I'll see it when I believe it. You must creatively visualize what you want. If you tell the forces of the universe that you're not worthy....well....they generally take you at your word and create the appropriate circumstance The point to all this? Personal resposibility. when you look all your life and wonder, how did I get here? Well,........ you drove. Where you are today is completely because of decisions you made in the past. Knowing that allows you to change course, if you wish. You are the Captain of the ship that is your life. If you don't want it on the rocks, quit steering it there.
Quote from: jentay1367 on March 06, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
Honey, it's a sign of the times.
That alone make life not worth living
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When it comes to reading between the lines I am as useful as a 3 dollar bill. But I think JenTay is saying dont shot the messanger. Again, there has been so much good advice, words of wisdom and a lot of that has been shown here. Times are tough but life is worth living. Many people cant find work even without a disability but they keep grinding away at the search until someone says yes. You are just going to have to do the same, its sucky but what else can one do?
Can you at least tell me what I should do if I can't ever get hired?? I really need to know regardless of the future
I wish I still had the spreadsheets to show you all the jobs I applied for when I was job hunting. When I was looking to leave my last job, I applied for just over 600 positions. Do you know how many I heard back from? Less than 20. And that's having 2 degrees and close to a decade of work experience.
It's just the times we live in unfortunately. There are more people than there are jobs available. That's part of why you see so many people doing freelance work or starting their own companies. It's easier to save up some cash to invest in yourself and your success than it is to find a job sometimes. That is what I would look into doing if you can't get hired anywhere. There is loads of room in the market for innovation, you just have to think about what you're good at or where there is a lack of existing services. And while doing the work to get that started, I would apply for disability. If you have the paperwork that says you have a disability, even if it takes months to make a determination - do it.
One thing I will note, is that many times when places say they have an opening or are hiring for a position, they say that because they are required to. They'll take in resumes for that position but often times they already have someone in mind for the job either internally or referred by someone that already works there. So that could be the case for you.
What sort of places do you go often? Do you go out to eat anywhere regularly? Go shopping anywhere? Think of places where people might already know you, and consider applying to those places. It gets said often, but in the job market it's not always about what you know but who you know. If you can get to know someone who is seen as a good employee at a company and they're willing to put your resume in front of their boss, that's loads better than applying online or just dropping an application off.
What should I do then?? I ask and ask and ask and ask and ask what I should do if no will actually hire me but I keep getting answers that don't answer my question.
I can't be self employed I don't know how to be innovative and where I live it's severely limiting like who am I gonna provide a service to?? The trees?? And I can't afford to live in a populated area either?? So what should I do??
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO SO I DON'T STARVE AND DIE FOR GOODNESS SAKES
Where are your parents? your siblings? your friends?
Well, I guess you could consider being a cam-girl..... providing its legal where ya live. Im out of ideas.
Hugs-Ashley
Quote from: EmilyRyan on March 07, 2017, 01:05:53 PM
What should I do then?? I ask and ask and ask and ask and ask what I should do if no will actually hire me but I keep getting answers that don't answer my question.
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO SO I DON'T STARVE AND DIE FOR GOODNESS SAKES
At some point Emily you are going to have to take the bull by the horns and make your own decisions. As others have said "there has been so much good advice, words of wisdom and a lot of that has been shown here" People here do not have a magic wand they can wave to make you employable. They do not have the answers you are willing to accept. They have given you the help and suggestions they can give.
It's time you put your big girl panties on and take ownership of your own needs, make your own decisions, and get about the business of making a decent life for yourself. The people here cannot do or you what you are unwilling to do for yourself.
Life isn't easy for anyone. Your own issues may be more than some but I am sure there are others out there far worse off than you that are making the best with what the have rather than sitting back and lamenting about what they can't do.
I'm sorry if this is blunt Emily but you need to begin doing something for yourself.
Hugs,
Jeanette
I second what Jeanette has said. I know your life hasent been easy and you have been strong in many aspects. But on this job thing you do need to have big girl panites. The fact remains, I have read some old posts and you have been asking people on this site since 2015 the same question. The exact same question. The definition of insanity is doing hte exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. You seem to fall into this pattern of were you put yourself down without giving yourself a fighting chance. We give you all sorts of places to apply to and tell you places to avoid for x,y and z. I will be blunt, if i was an employeer I would be very very iffy about hiring you. not because of your disability (fellow autistic person here) but due to pi$$ poor attitude (which in the urban dictionary means an attitude that hinders production and cooperation). I would be worried I would give you a task and you would find any which way to not do said task. Its comes across as you refuse to challange yourself and push forth to make things happen and would rather highlight all the troubles you still face, without working on them. It took me forever to do the most basic stuff, like tie my shoes. Couldnt do that until i was about 15 years old with all my own mental set backs. But I pushed through, at one of my first jobs as a cook in a bar when I was 18 or 19 I was still really slow. So what did I do? I came to work early (without punching in) to prepare my station for the dinner rush. I sauced up all my bottles, cut all the veges, sanitized, ect. Because of that, I got a pretty decent reference from that place and since i live in tiny town (Petawawa) where everyone knows each other thats probably why I got my current job! Its all about initiitive. With time, I was faster then a bullet because I was engaged and I wanted that job! In all honesty I can see the same applying to you. However, you will have to want it and learn that you need to sell yourself to an employeer.
Me, FTMax, JenTay, SadieBlake, Develyn Marie, Sno and countless other who have given you a boat load of advice cant change whats inside you. Thats up to you. And when you can work on that we will still be with you 100% of the way. But its going to take initiitive on your part.
Hugs-Ashley
I'm afraid what they say is true, no matter what you want to improve about your life, the first thing to do is to love yourself. It'll change the way everyone else sees you too.
None of what been said answers my questions and concerns
Quote from: EmilyRyan on March 07, 2017, 02:47:02 PM
None of what been said answers my questions and concerns
** sigh ** So you keep saying instead of deciding to do something about it for yourself.
Jeanette
I have a question? Why should any of us have any vested interest in helping you? You're like a broken record. You treat us all contemptuously by ignoring our advice and queries. Ashley brought a good point to the forefront. You keep asking the same thing looking for different results. What do you want? Someone here to give you a job, pick you up and take you home every day? Tuck you in at night?
You're like a broken record. As if you can't hear anything being said. You've shot every messenger that brought you the truth. You have what appear to be many co-morbid issues. Here's the facts:
1. You have no professional skills
2. Your social skills are sorely lacking.
3. You don't listen.
None of these things are employable traits.
Go home to your parents. Beg to stay if need be. Tell them you'll be homeless if they wont help. Then.....
GO TO SCHOOL ....and LEARN SOMETHING THAT HAS A VALUE THAT SOCIETY REQUIRES.
Does that all seem to harsh? Sorry, that's the unvarnished truth. Till you deal with these issues, your life will remain the same.
Keep doing what you've been doing and
you're going to keep getting what you've been getting
Quote from: EmilyRyan on March 07, 2017, 02:47:02 PM
None of what been said answers my questions and concerns
Maybe you're asking the
wrong questions.
Instead of asking what can't you do, maybe it's time to start asking yourself what you
can do.
This is not something you need to respond to but I would encourage you to spend much time meditating on it.
Quote from: jentay1367 on March 07, 2017, 03:07:30 PM
I have a question? Why should any of us have any vested interest in helping you? You're like a broken record. You treat us all contemptuously by ignoring our advice and queries. Ashley brought a good point to the forefront. You keep asking the same thing looking for different results. What do you want? Someone here to give you a job, pick you up and take you home every day? Tuck you in at night?
You're like a broken record. As if you can't hear anything being said. You've shot every messenger that brought you the truth. You have what appear to be many co morbid issues. Here's the facts
1. You have no professional skills
2. Your social skills are sorely lacking.
3. You don't listen.
None of these things are employable traits.
Go home to your parents. Beg to stay if need be. Tell them you'll be homeless if they wont help. Then.....
GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN SOMETHING THAT HAS A VALUE THAT SOCIETY REQUIRES.
Does that all seem to harsh? Sorry, that's the unvarnished truth. Till you deal with these issues your life will remain the same.
Keep doing what you've been doing and you're going to keep getting what you've been getting
Ummm I still live with my parents?? I'm trying to move out cause all they do is criticize and control me despite me being an adult and job or not I'm gonna move in with a friend who is at least compassionate.
Yes I want a job and I don't care how you view me from an internet message board I do have some skills may not be much but I lucky enough to have them like I can sort and organize things I did that in my first I job got and I do have some socials skills regardless of how you're viewing me on here I am polite, I'm just frustrated right now, so I don't have much skills I at least got those going for me. And you expect me to be value to society but won't tell me how or how to go about doing that I can't afford school and I'm not gonna go into debt when there's no guaranteed I'll get a job afterward. If you know of any services or better yet companies that'll help me work with my disability I'll listen. It shouldn't matter if I have talent or not as long as it costs money to even exist a job should be a right and yes it does cost money to be born and to stay alive. I'm more than willing to work around and with my disability but so does the employer they need to understand too and anybody that disagree well I hate to it they're an ableist then and this board seems to be full of them.
I been advocating for myself since graduating high school even managing to get a two year degree how?? I had instructors that were understanding and yes I did the schoolwork as well. Took me five years to get but I rightfully earned it :) So don't go around saying I don't do things to help myself I'm up day and night applying to jobs don't believe me ask my counselors they been helping me I haven't got any results yet from their help but that's because they have lives and other people to help as well and I understand and respect that.
So it's my attitude holding me back and not ableist attitudes that continue to keep those with disabilities from getting a job?? But sure go ahead and believe otherwise I really don't care after all I know what's truly blocking my path.
I think a mod should lock this topic before it gets really nasty one way or another. I dont want to see anyone get upset or hurt but I truly think we all have done what we can in this situation. Could some mod please consider locking this? I think it has out lived its time
I want it to end too
The entirety of your penultimate post speaks absolute volumes. Thank you. If I offended you, I sincerely Apologize. I will not post in your thread again. I wish you all the luck you can find in the future. All the best, Lisa
Emily: you should be able to lock it. The locks are located at the bottom of the screen just above the donation section.
Hugs-Ashley
Sweetie,
Lock the post if you can
Sadly we are expected to go to the world with what we can offer.
We're here to support you on your journey, to cheer you on from the sideline, as you make things happen for you.
Succeed or fail, we will be here to listen, and feedback.
In love.
Rowan
Think what you will Emily. I'll not apologize. Furthermore, like Jentay1397 I will no longer reply to this post.
I will however wish you well and hope you eventually get whatever it is you seek.
Jeanette
Request Granted, Topic Locked
Thank you
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