When two androgynes meet do they know it? I don't think I have ever actually meet another androgyne in person.
"Hi, I'm candy...."
I am hoping against all hope that we will feel the quickening! There will be lightning in the air and we would pull out our swords and battle for the prize... or we will frolic and run down the beach chasing deer. I could then go to church and pull out the "forgive me father, I am a worm" complete with hand licking action...
Just a random mental thought for Friday.
Hope everyone has a great weekend!
I reckon I've met some.
One (almost definitely) came into the pub a few nights ago. We had a chat, nothing special, but there was some kind of link it felt.
I reckon there are loads of us, just most of em don't know it.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 15, 2007, 07:46:29 PM
I reckon I've met some.
One (almost definitely) came into the pub a few nights ago. We had a chat, nothing special, but there was some kind of link it felt.
I reckon there are loads of us, just most of em don't know it.
No clashing of swords? No "there can be only one"? There goes my reality :P
I'm not really sure how many of us there would be. Can you hide it from yourself for long without searching for answers? What would these lost souls be like?
bit simple probably
Quote from: NickSister on November 15, 2007, 05:26:02 PM
I am hoping against all hope that we will feel the quickening! There will be lightning in the air and we would pull out our swords and battle for the prize... or we will frolic and run down the beach chasing deer. I could then go to church and pull out the "forgive me father, I am a worm" complete with hand licking action...
Shriek! I'm more of a frolic on the beach sort ;)
Quote from: NickSister on November 15, 2007, 07:54:28 PM
No clashing of swords? No "there can be only one"? There goes my reality :P
Sorry, I don't do the swords thing either... but you're welcome to clash away ;D
y2g
"Awful lonely" I believe. I was there before the whole gender deal started in my life. Well I never felt comfortable in my skin.
When I was alone I use to do some play acting, like get all dressed and play act going to a ball, complete with the back drop seen of some swanky knight club. The table and the chairs set at the middle of the living room with a fake champagne bottle in its silver holder at the center of the table, the whole the whole 9 yards you know. I pretended I was lead to the table by my distinguished philanthropist lover.
No, I never met anyone else that I knew to be like me, well I have a friend who lives on Long Island, she is an empath. As an empath I could certainly feel a persons intent and feelings and emotions and at times their thoughts. Outside of work I was not much of a person for socializing. I had a good imagination and often played out some fantasies I conjured up.
If I don't feel comfortable with people I simply just stayed home. I often times do some playacting as fem.
Pica Pica
you ask about a sword, well my friend there was this large sandpit in the woods behind the apartment building I use to live in and I use go there to play out a character I mustered up out of imagination. Her title was The Dunes Of Mars Warrior Princes, who wielded an energy sword and rode a six legend steed .
I also did the beach thing once on a beautiful moonlight night. I kicked my shoes off and danced around bear feet in the sand wearing a ball gown, while awaiting for my distinguished philanthropist Lover. Hmmmmm he gets around doesn't he? Ya I suppose I was an incurable romantic among some other things. Actually transitioning wasn't the easiest thing one can do and the SRS was a pain, literally. Once the dust settled I didn't feel any different inside, I was still me, who ever me is, but I did gain some amplified sensitivities, not just to people but I also feel various types of energies all about me.
I love who I am no mater If I just feel neutral within. I still believe I lived a wonderful life with a good sprinkling of adventures. Well I had better terminate this post before it turns into a book.
Oh my I also read lots of books, tons of books and tons of movies. Now I have a partner and we do what ever our heart desires, we are both retired. Being nobody inside does have its benefits as well as it's short comings, but I think I lived an interesting life.
Cindy
We mostly hang out with people who are not so stuck up with maintaining gender roles, and so most of my friends strike me as Androgynes and some of them even identify as such. Those are just the people we get along with better.
Marq and Mia
a few of my RL friends fit outside of the binary gender model.. They unfortunately would rather not post as such online.
we need a secret handshake :laugh:
I've met two people I'd definitely consider bigender. Unfortunately, they both now live in other states of the country. :'(
Others wouldn't say they looked androgynous, just like they wouldn't say I do. It was a kind of gender sense and I sensed both. I mean, most people can intuitively sense whether someone has a male or female sex and take it for granted that it goes with masculine or feminine gender. I guess I don't take it for granted and can intuitively pick up gender independently of sex. Anyone else agree with that idea?
Anyway, I've met a few others with androgyne-style traits, mostly tomboyish females. I've met a woman who said she sometimes turns into a man when drunk (I've seen it for myself once). This actually reminds me of myself before I understood the whole androgyne thing. I sometimes woke up after a party wondering why the hell I'd been "pretending to be a girl" the night before. Now I know it was just alcohol making me less uptight about my presentation.
I think androgynes are actually not so rare. Not common, but not so rare. It's just that it's hard to break through the assumptions and identify as something else, especially when being cisgender kind of works, so androgynes hide easily, even from themselves.
Hi, Simon,
My ex was like that. She turned into a demented beast-like male persona, voice and everything changed. She was aggresssive and abusive when she was drinking.
I would never touch or even think of hurting someone, but I was afraid that accidentaly I could either end up doing something that would hurt her while just defending myself, or she would kill me ,so I just got myself out of there the first opportunity, unfortunatly not until after 6 years of that treatment. My skin still crawls when I think back on that.
Cindy
Quote from: NickSister on November 15, 2007, 07:54:28 PM
No clashing of swords? No "there can be only one"? There goes my reality :P
Actually, "there can only be two, master and apprentice." Now excuse me while I carve "DORK" across my forehead with a light saber.
I would assume that an androgyne who had not yet experienced 'realization' might feel lonely. They could also be depressed and alienated from carrying the burden of being something that they were not quite aware of or that they feared to face.
A lot of us assumed we were the opposite gender, or gay, before learning enough to know who we are.
I am coming close to just asking people who I feel kinship with. I probably won't due to it possibly being rude, but I am close. Most people like me enough to not kill me. :)
I'm quite pleased that what started as a fairly non-serious post has raised some really interesting questions. (But I am still convinced that the original Highlander movie complete with Queen soundtrack was made for androgynes - I don't know why, it just was).
Trying to think back before I came to the realisation of my androgyne identity...I did feel alone and depressed. Growing up I thought I was really introverted, and probably was, yet this has proven to be untrue as I got out of my teens. I was always trying to escape but never really understood what I was trying to escape from. Thinking back now I believe I was trying to escape from the incongruity of mind and body - being made to grow up a boy. I hid in my mind, I hid in books, I physically hid in the local park up a tree. It has made me incredibly distractable and forgetful. I think my saviour was roleplaying games. I could be what I wanted and create my own worlds.
My friends were the misfits, the nonconformists. Even then I don't think I related well to them. It was often frustrating. These days my best friends seem to be lesbians, they seem to accept me as 'of a kind'.
Just thinking about Simons idea about being able to intuitively sense 'gender'. I kind of agree but I think everyone has varying levels of ability.
I don't want to sound cliche, but...it does seem like I have some sort of radar for people who don't exactly fit into the gender binary.
You can now fall over yourselves laughing, trying to figure out an appropriately funny sounding word (like "gen-dar") to describe it.
Quote from: Kaimialana on November 18, 2007, 03:08:13 PM
I don't want to sound cliche, but...it does seem like I have some sort of radar for people who don't exactly fit into the gender binary.
You can now fall over yourselves laughing, trying to figure out an appropriately funny sounding word (like "gen-dar") to describe it.
How about LGBT-dar? Transgendardar?
Quote from: NickSister on November 18, 2007, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: Kaimialana on November 18, 2007, 03:08:13 PM
I don't want to sound cliche, but...it does seem like I have some sort of radar for people who don't exactly fit into the gender binary.
You can now fall over yourselves laughing, trying to figure out an appropriately funny sounding word (like "gen-dar") to describe it.
How about LGBT-dar? Transgendardar?
I actually do like the word "transgen-dar", as funny as it sounds. :D
Quote from: Kaimialana on November 18, 2007, 03:08:13 PM
You can now fall over yourselves laughing, trying to figure out an appropriately funny sounding word (like "gen-dar") to describe it.
Har-dar har-har >:D
OK, now that I got that out, how about An-dar or Andro-dar
2yg
why andro-dar? I don't see how this is exclusive to androgyne identifying transgenders.
Quote from: Kaimialana on November 18, 2007, 03:42:54 PM
why andro-dar? I don't see how this is exclusive to androgyne identifying transgenders.
Oh, I was trying to come up with a term for recognizing other androgynes...
y2g
Quote from: y2gender on November 18, 2007, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: Kaimialana on November 18, 2007, 03:42:54 PM
why andro-dar? I don't see how this is exclusive to androgyne identifying transgenders.
Oh, I was trying to come up with a term for recognizing other androgynes...
y2g
ah, well...I just kinda meant I had some sort of ability to recognize gender variants in general.
since we seem to be a bit sensitive to all of these sorts of things, we could just call it 'dar.'
I've got the 'dar'. (if you say it with a hillbilly accent, it sounds like a disease..."watch out! he's got the dar!")
Quote from: Kaimialana on November 18, 2007, 04:40:55 PM
ah, well...I just kinda meant I had some sort of ability to recognize gender variants in general.
I often describe this as trans-dar or t-dar... I've had a couple of situations where I met another transperson in non-trans space, and we both could immediately tell. It's definitely trickier to notice a fellow androgyne person if they don't have an androgynous presentation.
Z
maybe impossible, but it don't stop us trying.