I get a royal kick out of conspiracy theories. Some make me laugh like crazy, some make me think that the person who thought that one up should be locked in a rubber room, and some I whole heartedly agree with.
I picked up a time life book on conspiracy theories recently and some just make me go "HUH?".
There's a short list of randoms at the beginning of the book of the most widely known.
They include:
5% believe that Paul McCartney died in a 1966 car crash and was replaced with a look alike.
37% believe that global warming is a hoax perpetuated by scientists and politicians.
21% believe a UFO crashed in Roswell NM in 1947 and that the US government covered it up.
28% believe that a shadowy group of power elites conspires to rule us all thru a global authoritarian government called the New World Order.
20% believe there is a link between childhood vaccines and autism.
7% believe the moon landing was faked.
29% believe in aliens.
14% believe the CIA introduced crack cocaine into the inner cities in the 1980's.
9% believe the government adds fluoride to our water for sinister reasons.
4% believe our society is controlled by shape shifting "lizard people" who have assumed human form and gained political power.
5% believe airplane contrails are chemical plumes deliberately sprayed by the government.
51% say larger conspiracies were at work in the assassination of JFK.
15% believe that the medical and pharmaceutical industries create new diseases for financial gain.
11% believe that the US government allowed the September 11 attacks to happen so that there would be an excuse to restrict civil liberties, and to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
15% believe the government adds mind controlling technology to television broadcast signals.
6% believe Osama bin Laden is still alive.
That is just the short list from the front of the book. It goes heavier into detail about several of them and others further into the book.
I personally believe a few of the ones I have just listed. Maybe I'm crazy. But I'm curious, what do you guys think on the subject? Are there any you believe? Not just from the ones I listed, but others as well?
Or am I just a nutjob that needs to read something more substantial and enlightening? Wait, is that a conspiracy? Are you guys trying to make me look crazy? Or are you trying to make me look crazy? Perhaps you want people to think I'm crazy.
I think the walls are talking to me.
Get the joke?
Jennifer RachaelAnn
There are two on the list that could truthful depending on how there are defined and one I have been spend several years studying that is absolutely truthful. My statement is based on facts and not emotions. While I haven't looked into everything on the list I have looked into many of the items and I would agree that they are false.
You forgot to include the stats on how many people believe that Kurt Cobain is still alive, lives in poverty and tends to sing and play guitar at odd times of the day and night
Quote from: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 10, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
I get a royal kick out of conspiracy theories. Some make me laugh like crazy, some make me think that the person who thought that one up should be locked in a rubber room, and some I whole heartedly agree with.
I picked up a time life book on conspiracy theories recently and some just make me go "HUH?".
There's a short list of randoms at the beginning of the book of the most widely known.
They include:
5% believe that Paul McCartney died in a 1966 car crash and was replaced with a look alike.
37% believe that global warming is a hoax perpetuated by scientists and politicians.
21% believe a UFO crashed in Roswell NM in 1947 and that the US government covered it up.
28% believe that a shadowy group of power elites conspires to rule us all thru a global authoritarian government called the New World Order.
20% believe there is a link between childhood vaccines and autism.
7% believe the moon landing was faked.
29% believe in aliens.
14% believe the CIA introduced crack cocaine into the inner cities in the 1980's.
9% believe the government adds fluoride to our water for sinister reasons.
4% believe our society is controlled by shape shifting "lizard people" who have assumed human form and gained political power.
5% believe airplane contrails are chemical plumes deliberately sprayed by the government.
51% say larger conspiracies were at work in the assassination of JFK.
15% believe that the medical and pharmaceutical industries create new diseases for financial gain.
11% believe that the US government allowed the September 11 attacks to happen so that there would be an excuse to restrict civil liberties, and to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
15% believe the government adds mind controlling technology to television broadcast signals.
6% believe Osama bin Laden is still alive.
That is just the short list from the front of the book. It goes heavier into detail about several of them and others further into the book.
I personally believe a few of the ones I have just listed. Maybe I'm crazy. But I'm curious, what do you guys think on the subject? Are there any you believe? Not just from the ones I listed, but others as well?
Or am I just a nutjob that needs to read something more substantial and enlightening? Wait, is that a conspiracy? Are you guys trying to make me look crazy? Or are you trying to make me look crazy? Perhaps you want people to think I'm crazy.
I think the walls are talking to me.
Get the joke?
Jennifer RachaelAnn
I prefer conspiracy analyst. The term conspiracy theory is often used to stifle discussion or discredit someone. FWIW, some conspiracies are true. Look up Lionel, aka Michael Lebron. He talks eloquently on the subject.
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Quote from: V M on April 10, 2017, 10:27:43 PM
You forgot to include the stats on how many people believe that Kurt Cobain is still alive, lives in poverty and tends to sing and play guitar at odd times of the day and night
The Kurt Cobain is one of the mentioned ones later in the book. That article also includes Michael Jackson, Jim Morrison, Tupac Shakur, Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, Robin Williams, Marilyn Monroe, Brandon Lee, Princess Diana, and a lot of others.
Some say they are alive, some say it was(n't) suicide, some say they are laying low waiting to make their comeback. Any Kaufman is on that list I believe.
As for some that I personally believe:
the '47 Roswell UFO story.
the 9-11 theory, tho I believe the US played a bigger part in it than just allowing it to happen.
DEFINITELY believe in aliens. I mean I can't believe that in the vastness of space and the cosmos, that life is contained to this tiny insignificant trillionth of a fraction sized speck of dust. It just isn't feasible for me.
The Illuminati isn't too far fetched for me to believe.
I still think bin Laden is alive. (don't get me started.)
I believe the moon landing never happened. (Again, don't get me started.)
Some of the craziest ones from the short list I posted:
vaccines and autism.
Paul McCartney
Lizard people
Some that I wouldn't be surprised:
JFK assassination
CIA and crack cocaine
new diseases for financial gain
That's just stuff from the list I mentioned. That's not saying that those are every last conspiracy theory. Just a quick and dirty list of a couple of the most common.
The CIA has done both drug experiments and sold drugs for money and probably intelligence. As far as JFK goes, why bury the Warren commission data? FWIW, a congressional investigation in the late 70's found it wasn't so simple. What I will say is that most people have too much respect for authority and accept political narratives much too readily and believe that government has our best interests at heart. Sociology 101 and 102 should be mandatory for everyone and also a good primer on narcissistic psychopathy and how that fits in with leadership/politics.
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I have an old friend who is into all of that stuff, but most particularly anything that Alex Jones talks about. Definitely a bit of a creepy cult like feel to this guy's admiration of Alex.
My personal favorite of the bunch:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnqbkObY.jpg&hash=5b7e47bd1c9a79bbaaf1d9cd1cdecbb6cd2eb400)
That conspiracy claim is so full of holes that it is laughable. "Oh it's a slow effect item" "they're nano-engineered particles!" (what does this even mean?) And somehow these particles defy physics and allow you to pack them all into a plane without running out of room or exceeding MTOW despite having a full load of passengers and cargo.
I don't deny that the Earth is warming, I just have to ask why people see it as a big deal. 11,000 years ago North America was under a mile of ice. Nobody complains about that global warming trend. Long story short, the next ice age will come no matter what we do, and it will eliminate all traces of human existence except the artifacts we left on the moon and space.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 11, 2017, 11:22:01 AM
I don't deny that the Earth is warming, I just have to ask why people see it as a big deal. 11,000 years ago North America was under a mile of ice. Nobody complains about that global warming trend. Long story short, the next ice age will come no matter what we do, and it will eliminate all traces of human existence except the artifacts we left on the moon and space.
Hugs, Devlyn
True, but having someone to blame serves a purpose. Further, the de facto requirement to suspend disbelief else be labeled a heretic is self-explanatory.
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11,000 years ago there were not seven billion human beings to feed.
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
And the one about the lizard shape shifters who run the government is true.
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
Quote from: Deborah on April 11, 2017, 06:24:40 PM
11,000 years ago there were not seven billion human beings to feed.
Does that matter? We are destined to go extinct like the 99.99% of all life forms that have preceded us on this planet. Particularly if all it takes is cold weather to eliminate our food supply and kill us. Because the cold weather will return.
Hugs, Devlyn
The lizard people one is true. >:-)
The thing about conspiracy theories is that any evidence against them is taken to be part of the conspiracy. Therefore, they are not falsifiable.
I think the reason people start these beliefs is just to see how much controversy they can create. Or they're looking for something to complain about and to make that complaint a fact and to gain followers of it. Like the vaccines and autism. I received all my vaccines as a baby, and I don't have autism. That's something you're born with, it's not a virus like the flu.
And some I think are either for shock value, or just to make that person laugh. Just look at how many people there are right now that have decided the earth is flat.
Jennifer RachaelAnn
Quote from: Deborah on April 11, 2017, 06:24:40 PM
11,000 years ago there were not seven billion human beings to feed.
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
Non-sequitur
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Quote from: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 10, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
5% believe that Paul McCartney died in a 1966 car crash and was replaced with a look alike.
There's no actual evidence for this one - and it likely would have leaked while one of them was on drugs/drunk.
Quote37% believe that global warming is a hoax perpetuated by scientists and politicians.
Some people also think the world is flat, never mind the science..
Quote21% believe a UFO crashed in Roswell NM in 1947 and that the US government covered it up.
Possible, but unlikely unless kept secret to an incredibly small number of people..
Quote28% believe that a shadowy group of power elites conspires to rule us all thru a global authoritarian government called the New World Order.
If it's not the NWO, it's the Freemasons or the Illuminati.. ::)
Quote20% believe there is a link between childhood vaccines and autism.
See flat earth comment..
Quote7% believe the moon landing was faked.
Way, way too many people involved to keep the alleged cover up secret..
Quote29% believe in aliens.
I'm surprised the number isn't higher. The chances of the only life in the universe being here on Earth are likely to be quite small.
Quote14% believe the CIA introduced crack cocaine into the inner cities in the 1980's.
Hey, why not? They need to make money too.
Quote9% believe the government adds fluoride to our water for sinister reasons.
I huess because doing it for dental health seem too simple.
Quote4% believe our society is controlled by shape shifting "lizard people" who have assumed human form and gained political power.
Someone's been watching too much V.
Quote5% believe airplane contrails are chemical plumes deliberately sprayed by the government.
Clearly they don't have any understanding of physics, contrails are easily explained.
Quote51% say larger conspiracies were at work in the assassination of JFK.
I think the conspiracy was the post shooting investigation..
Quote15% believe that the medical and pharmaceutical industries create new diseases for financial gain.
Flat earth people..
Quote11% believe that the US government allowed the September 11 attacks to happen so that there would be an excuse to restrict civil liberties, and to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
My understanding is, the CIA/NSA had some intelligence to suggest it may happen, but were unable to verify the data..
Quote15% believe the government adds mind controlling technology to television broadcast signals.
Flat earth people..
Quote6% believe Osama bin Laden is still alive.
Not impossible, but why?
I don't think any of these really have legs. For example, to truly keep a secret, you can't tell anyone.. Every person who knows causes an exponential increase in the risk of it getting out.. Going from some studies I read a few years back, the Moon Landing has to be real, there were way too many people involved for it to be faked - mathematically/statistically someone will have talked.. Same for many of theses "theories"..
Be careful with the Lizard People talk >:-)
*Swishes tail* LOL
Quote from: V M on April 12, 2017, 01:53:50 AM
Be careful with the Lizard People talk >:-)
*Swishes tail* LOL
I like to bask on a warm rock for an hour in the morning, just to get going you understand 😋.
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"37% believe that global warming is a hoax perpetuated by scientists and politicians." this one really surprised me...I guess if you don't live with the effects every day then it is not your reality and easy to dismiss.
"51% say larger conspiracies were at work in the assassination of JFK."
This one doesn't surprise me, the best explanation I read was that, JFK was shot by his own secret service man accidentally as he tried to get a bead on Oswell" The full explanation is far longer and way more plausible and accounts for the crazy bullets without there being anyone else but Oswell.
"11% believe that the US government allowed the September 11 attacks to happen so that there would be an excuse to restrict civil liberties, and to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq" This one I thought was interesting because I think if you asked people instead, "if they were happy with the official explanation" as things clearly don't appear to add up to the official story your percentage would be way higher.
"7% believe the moon landing was faked"... this and 9/11 is where size and human nature defeat us and by that I mean in the case of 9/11 and the moon landing the scale of the operation required to pull it off and the numbers of people needing to be in on it, someone would have talked by now...surely?
Liz.......ard
*Swishes tail back* >:-)
Remembering my place as a climate heretic, I'll go hide.
Rowan
I'm not sure what to think about many of the conspiracy theories but here are some that proved to be true:
33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person Should Know... http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/
Dunno about everything, but I, and my family and friends, saw UFOs for decades. One even followed my husband and my car for hours, once hovering so close it killed the car engine. But I've not seen any since the 1970s.
Simon Parkes and many other alleged whistle-blowers from the secret government have some wild stories, which match some of the things I've observed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilL8oxIbsUI
On the subject of lizard people, I can't wait for Iron Sky 2 to come out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPwtDjzJMI
The original was awesome, this looks to be even more over the top.
At this point, when it comes to these theories, I just keep my views to myself. So many people get over heated on this kind of thing that they absolutely can't stand it when someone has a differing opinion. It's just not acceptable that you think it was all a lie that I believe in aliens when you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing out there. Billions of trillions of planets, stars, galaxies, and solar systems, but it is a proven fact that we are alone in the universe. I want to smack those people sometimes. If you aren't open to different points of view, and records of people actually experiencing what you deny, then you will never learn anything. Wise up and open your mind. And it's a lot easier to take your head out of your butt if you don't have your foot in your mouth.
Quote from: kelly_aus on April 12, 2017, 12:25:12 AM
Quote6% believe Osama bin Laden is still alive.
Not impossible, but why?
The why, to me at least, would be to try to ease the minds of the populace so they don't expect the next terrorist attack. I mean if the SeaLs did kill him, why wouldn't they show his body? Why did they bury him at sea? And to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, the men in team 6 that "were there" have never had their identities revealed.
Curious, no?
Quote from: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 12, 2017, 07:19:13 PM
... Billions of trillions of planets, stars, galaxies, and solar systems, but it is a proven fact that we are alone in the universe. I want to smack those people sometimes. If you aren't open to different points of view, and records of people actually experiencing what you deny, then you will never learn anything. Wise up and open your mind. And it's a lot easier to take your head out of your butt if you don't have your foot in your mouth.
This particular one makes me wonder at the arrogance of the human species in thinking we are alone and "this" is all for our benefit...
Quote from: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 20, 2017, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: kelly_aus on April 12, 2017, 12:25:12 AM
Quote6% believe Osama bin Laden is still alive.
Not impossible, but why?
The why, to me at least, would be to try to ease the minds of the populace so they don't expect the next terrorist attack. I mean if the SeaLs did kill him, why wouldn't they show his body? Why did they bury him at sea? And to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, the men in team 6 that "were there" have never had their identities revealed.
Curious, no?
Well, here's what I heard. Bin Laden faked his own death to cover his tracks when he went to Thailand for GCS, and then to Dr Spiegel to fix that mug of his! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 20, 2017, 05:33:24 PM
And to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, the men in team 6 that "were there" have never had their identities revealed.
Curious, no?
No. That's pretty standard for that type of unit. It's not unusual at all.
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
If I understand correctly Bin Bin was mutilated and disfigured to the point of nonrecognition and such photos are not allowable to the public media
Bin-laid-in was standard special-ops brief. Images can't be released, because of embedded metadata in the RAW files reveal location, time, date, camera, lens and plenty more, so it would all be classified...
Rowan
Quote from: Sno on April 25, 2017, 06:18:23 AM
Bin-laid-in was standard special-ops brief. Images can't be released, because of embedded metadata in the RAW files reveal location, time, date, camera, lens and plenty more, so it would all be classified...
Rowan
Meta data can be scrubbed.
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