So I'm driving across Federal Blvd. today (a pretty busy street in Denver. In old Denver it used to be the main north south artery before the interstate was built) and there at the bus stop is an elderly man. Tidily groomed. Balding. White hair. Mustache. A bit overweight. And he's wearing a skirt. His body language just as relaxed a you please. Nobody is making a big deal about it. I had to do a double take and then a triple take. Are you noticing sightings becoming more common? Is this seeping into the culture?
I see a lot more gender variance at least in the form of clothing now than i saw even five years ago. I could probably point to 2-3 people in my city of 50,000 that i saw on a regular basis, out and about now it is many more. Those are just the people i see and i don't frequent a lot of support groups and the like.
I have started to attend a weekly LGTBQi event at a local drinking establishment. Its been awesome to see others of all ages there.
I wonder if it's someone I saw on here recently?
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No, I don't see it much where I live in the countryside. I mean transsexuals exist here (one at least in my village, another one in the next town I hear of), the GP mentioned one other besides myself in her years treating people but that's it. I don't see people experimenting with clothes or expression much and I see thousands and thousands of tourists every year passing through.
There are men who wear skirts as an article of men's clothing. They do not consider themselves to be transgender or crossdressers. They just want the right, as men, to wear comfortable clothes. I used to lurk on their forums before I had figured myself out.
Around here I see nobody. The closest I have seen to any gender variant dress is one I see running at lunch in bright red running tights. And then there is me, the only one with long hair on a large military installation. If there is anyone else they stay well hidden.
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
I am the only T that I know of native to my town. There are some others who go to the local university so to answer your question, no.
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Maybe it's just because I live in a more tolerant place. It's not isolated.
A couple of weeks ago I went to the Medicaid office to get my name changed in the system. Waiting in line? Another trans woman doing exactly the same thing I was. And it wasn't a very long line. The greeter at the Home Depot near my house. I've been noticing larger numbers at my RL support group lately too. This is just to name a few. There are more. But to be fair my transdar is getting pretty good.
Quote from: KathyLauren on April 17, 2017, 08:00:00 PM
There are men who wear skirts as an article of men's clothing. They do not consider themselves to be transgender or crossdressers. They just want the right, as men, to wear comfortable clothes. I used to lurk on their forums before I had figured myself out.
I second this - odds are he's not transgender, but rather he prefers wearing skirts for other reasons.
Quote from: Jane Emily on April 17, 2017, 06:56:12 PM
So I'm driving across Federal Blvd. today (a pretty busy street in Denver. In old Denver it used to be the main north south artery before the interstate was built) and there at the bus stop is an elderly man. Tidily groomed. Balding. White hair. Mustache. A bit overweight. And he's wearing a skirt. His body language just as relaxed a you please. Nobody is making a big deal about it. I had to do a double take and then a triple take. Are you noticing sightings becoming more common? Is this seeping into the culture?
I would like to see total acceptance of all traditional female clothing for men immediately. I would like to be able to wear them openly in public with my wife. Matching skirts and tops, and other items would even be nice.
Quote from: tgchar21 on April 18, 2017, 08:58:58 AM
I second this - odds are he's not transgender, but rather he prefers wearing skirts for other reasons.
Then wouldn't the skirt be more conservative and giving off a more masculine vibe? Like a scot's kilt. This was a really feminine and flowy number.
Quote from: Jane Emily on April 18, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
Then wouldn't the skirt be more conservative and giving off a more masculine vibe? Like a scot's kilt. This was a really feminine and flowy number.
Maybe he's just a guy who likes to dress fem sometimes.
Quote from: Elis on April 18, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
Maybe he's just a guy who likes to dress fem sometimes.
My desire is: (1) to be able to wear female clothing in public with with my wife without question; and (2) to pass openly as female without question no matter what clothes I am wearing.
Before I realized/accepted what is going on, I bought one of these:
http://www.utilikilts.com
http://www.utilikilts.com/faq#12
See at least Number 2 and 3 under Reasons to wear a Utilikilt
I think a lot more guys would wear skirts and such if our society would be more open to it.
In the fourth century, women in the Western world wore pants, which they adapted from the Persians. At that time, pants were considered unmanly.
https://www.factmonster.com/cool-stuff/fashion-and-dress/trousers-history
So let's hope for a future without gendered fashion rules.
Quote from: Elis on April 18, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
Maybe he's just a guy who likes to dress fem sometimes.
That's what I'm saying. 20, 40 years ago that was
the ultimate taboo. Growing up in my world, a guy who "just wanted to dress fem sometimes?" on Federal Blvd.? would get the living crap beat out of him.
Maybe on east Colfax. But on south Federal? No way!
Well, I mean, kilts were a thing and they were considered manly. Just goes to show that even warriors wore skirts. They just had a different connotation attached to them (and they didn't even wear pants/underwear). If everybody just wore them and didn't care, I'd be happy with that. Why not?
I'm seeing it too. I went for a haircut today and I was scheduled in ahead of time.. I was waiting, and unfortunately my birth name was used when scheduling (a guardian set the appointment for me since she was also scheduling for herself).. so the hairstylist is looking around for a girl and calling out my birth name lol. I stand up and go "I'm right here". At one point I told her I was trans and she was super cool about it.. everyone at the place was really cool about it. They even started talking about "oh, I know this one family member and ect. It was cool to see everyone so relaxed about it and being casual when speaking about the subject too.. Like it was of complete norms. It made me smile.
Quote from: Thessa on April 18, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
Before I realized/accepted what is going on, I bought one of these:
http://www.utilikilts.com
http://www.utilikilts.com/faq#12
See at least Number 2 and 3 under Reasons to wear a Utilikilt
I think a lot more guys would wear skirts and such if our society would be more open to it.
In the fourth century, women in the Western world wore pants, which they adapted from the Persians. At that time, pants were considered unmanly.
https://www.factmonster.com/cool-stuff/fashion-and-dress/trousers-history
So let's hope for a future without gendered fashion rules.
I have one in black watch tartan.
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Have you seen Jin's recent photo, mustache and a great skirt? And he really looks at ease there:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,222242.msg1967900.html#msg1967900
I think it's great that people are getting more comfortable to wear what they want. No rules, no labels, no boxes. Just being free to express yourself however you please.
I think a new summer skirt is in order, any excuse to go shopping:)
Saw another transgender woman at the checkout at the grocery store just now.
I was just at the grand opening of a feminist bookstore / sex toy store that is run by a young trans couple (MTF + FTM). Not bad for a town of 4000 residents + 3500 students.
Quote from: KathyLauren on April 29, 2017, 06:09:39 PM
I was just at the grand opening of a feminist bookstore / sex toy store that is run by a young trans couple (MTF + FTM). Not bad for a town of 4000 residents + 3500 students.
Wow! Sounds like the beginnings of a trans support group.
I wish it WS a bit more excepting where I live I get odd looks just being dressed in my every day MALE out door clothes its because of the length of my hair so god help me if any one see me dresses in female clothes but I see more trans people in the towns city's these days even my local refuge tip there is one working there & the male co workers are pretty cool with it but the UK still he a very long way to catch up with the rest of the developed world.