Hi everybody,
mid of September 2017 I'll be having a face-to-face consultation for my FFS in summer 2018 with Facial Team in Marbella (Spain).
Announcing this might possibly help some of you guys in their decisions and findings. Me myself I'll go for the consultation on-site because it was recommended by Carmen in the first place, rather than participating in an online consultation via Skype and secondly because an FFS is an overly serious leap and I just wanna reduce risk of a less presentable result or one that doesn't satisfy my requirements to a certain extent. Having said that, I don't mind getting on the plane for two or three hours.
Amazingly Alexandra Hamer will conduct the Virtual FFS right there and live so to speak. I wasn't aware of that, this turned out in the course of extended email exchange with Carmen. By now I don't know if they'll enable me to get my hands on those Virtual FFS pictures that are said to provide a quite close forecast of what your face is gonna look like after all has been done.
I will possibly publish them here as it might be interesting of how a Virtual FFS actually looks like. I can't even begin to tell you how I'am looking forward to this particular day that's gonna change my life next year in a radical way.
Quote from: Saskia_F on June 29, 2017, 03:37:01 AM
Hi everybody,
mid of September 2017 I'll be having a face-to-face consultation for my FFS in summer 2018 with Facial Team in Marbella (Spain).
Announcing this might possibly help some of you guys in their decisions and findings. Me myself I'll go for the consultation on-site because it was recommended by Carmen in the first place, rather than participating in an online consultation via Skype and secondly because an FFS is an overly serious leap and I just wanna reduce risk of a less presentable result or one that doesn't satisfy my requirements to a certain extent. Having said that, I don't mind getting on the plane for two or three hours.
Amazingly Alexandra Hamer will conduct the Virtual FFS right there and live so to speak. I wasn't aware of that, this turned out in the course of extended email exchange with Carmen. By now I don't know if they'll enable me to get my hands on those Virtual FFS pictures that are said to provide a quite close forecast of what your face is gonna look like after all has been done.
I will possibly publish them here as it might be interesting of how a Virtual FFS actually looks like. I can't even begin to tell you how I'am looking forward to this particular day that's gonna change my life next year in a radical way.
Yes, please publish (: they're one of the two I'm seriously considering. Did the mention how long the waiting list is?
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Dear Jill,
the waiting list is currently 6 months. Carmen mentioned that you can fix the final surgery appointment any time for the future once you paid the deposit of 20 % upon the free consultation on-site. That's what I am gonna do. Surely, I don't know the final amount yet, but I will take a bunch of bills with me that should serve the purpose.
They were also fair to tell me that they will retain EUR 400 in case of surgery cancellation from my side (EUR 600 if a hair transplant is supposed to be done at the same time). I am alright with that as long as I know beforehand. Considering they pick you up at Malaga airport (70 kms from Marbella), having expenditures because of you doing the consultation, checks, 3D scanning etc., it is a pretty fair deal.
Quote from: Saskia_F on June 29, 2017, 03:57:07 AM
Dear Jill,
the waiting list is currently 6 months. Carmen mentioned that you can fix the final surgery appointment any time for the future once you paid the deposit of 20 % upon the free consultation on-site. That's what I am gonna do. Surely, I don't know the final amount yet, but I will take a bunch of bills with me that should serve the purpose.
Thank you for the quick response. Is the skype consultation subpar? Also if it's not to personal, what's their ballpark range for ffs?
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I wouldn't say it's subpar, however - to say the least - doing it online without them seeing me in person could probably make them overlook one or another aspect of my face (or anyone else's face) that could turn out to be a disadvantage once the day has come. Talking out of my perspective, I don't wanna take any additional risks just to save one or two days of travelling and 300 Euros of travel expenses - that would incommensurate with each other.
It's by far not a personal question when it comes to costs. In the course of my extensive researches I've been asking myself why there're rarely costs mentioned by anyone. Now I think I know: Each face is individual and is at a "different stage", meaning some might need less, and some more things to be rectified. As far as I figured out, doing an FFS with the "basics" (if there're basics at all) could cost about 25'000 Euros. In my case I predict a total amount of around 30'000 to 32'000 Euros as pretty much I wanna have 'em done at me.
Once I know more in September, I'll definitely not withhold any information in this forum concerning the costs.
I'm also going to an onsite consultation in September (appointment is 11th September).
I didn't get told anything about submitting a partial deposit in advance and I believe you are given the images to take away. I made it clear to Carmen at the outset that my provisional date isn't until November 2018 and I'm talking to other providers as well (going for a consultation with Dr Rossi in Buenos Aires in December as well).
Hi Sophie,
I guess Carmen mentioned the deposit since I was aiming for a surgery date in distant future from the get-go. In order to safely fix that date (summer 2018) I should make a down payment of 20 %. I can't relate to the fact why she was asking for it in my case. Makes me feel a bit strange.
So you'll be around just three days before I arrive :) We sisters are flocking around these placed like midges ;D
I will be there in End of August because the consultations in other cities wer enot clear enough, no 3D scans, not enough time, I guess. As I understand it it is like this: consultation is free except travel and room. If you want to book a surgery date you can do it at any time if you pay a deposit, but if you withdraw the date, they charge you those 400-600 EU for rescheduling the date to another patient. But its the only way to save you a date for surgery, if you do not do that, it means if you go for a date, you will have to accept 6 months advance booking and also the quote they give only is valid half a year, after that, prices often increase.
The virtual images Alexandra does are only available during the consultation unless you pay her her regular fee, in which case she will do them properly and not just a quick version and you get them in email. She did mine during a consultation but I did not buy them. Later I did take new pictures and sent them to her to make it again and then paid for it to keep them.
Hi Anja,
thank you so much for having shared your experience. Indeed I can imagine those free consultations in one of the EU major cities to be conducted more or less in a hurry with a pretty tight time plan.
Usually Alexandra Hamer charges a couple hundred pounds to do a full virtual FFS. I can relate to her that she's not gonna give 'em out more or less for free after having had the free consultation on-site at Marbella. I will clarify this issue with Carmen beforehand and will let you guys know the outcome. To me it is crucial to get something in hand I can keep for the long time span of 10 months between my consultation and the actual surgery date.
I wouldn't mind to pay the regular vFFS fee to Alexandra Hamer. Considering the overall costs - that doesn't make much difference in my view.
Yes its Alexandras business and its what she earns her money with - I am not sure how much FT pay her for doing the quick VFFS, but I guess its more based on the time she spends there and for the ful VFFS she needs more time. Its their business model, so not much one can do other than pay.
The consultations in other cities last about 30 min and they try to be thorough but of course there are limits, mainly because there are no 3D scans available to discuss more details and I guess if some questions come up at a consultation in Marbella that the surgeon doing the appointment cannot fully answer, he could in theory ask back to someone else? Not sure about this, though.
Quote from: Saskia_F on June 29, 2017, 03:37:01 AM
Amazingly Alexandra Hamer will conduct the Virtual FFS right there and live so to speak. I wasn't aware of that, this turned out in the course of extended email exchange with Carmen. By now I don't know if they'll enable me to get my hands on those Virtual FFS pictures that are said to provide a quite close forecast of what your face is gonna look like after all has been done.
I will possibly publish them here as it might be interesting of how a Virtual FFS actually looks like. I can't even begin to tell you how I'am looking forward to this particular day that's gonna change my life next year in a radical way.
If you do publish pictures it would be very interesting to see how accurate the virtual FFS is. If you could publish the Virtual FFS and before and after pictures that would be awesome.
By the way - anyone know what to do in Marbella other than getting the consultation? If you are having the surgery, you probably will mostly stay in a neat hotel room, butwhen going there for a consulation - does it make sense to book the flight a few days early and stay some days? I tried to look for hotels but they are insanely expensive in late August. And cheaper hotels have no pool or anything to do at the hotel, so I wonder what a single traveller can do in the city? And maybe someone knows affordable places to stay there?
I managed to get squeezed into a surgical slot this month!!! so excited. I did my skype consult yesterday morning with Dr Simon and i must say he is very professional yet warm and friendly at the same time. Even though the price is like 3 times what Id have to pay in Bangkok I think its a much safer option as their technique is done to compliment Yeson's vocal feminization surgery. I was going to go to Thailand to do it because I didnt want to wait so long for the surgery but now that i got a slot this month im cancelling all my consultations in Bangkok. Ill do a review of my experience too after im done so hopefully it can help other sisters in their journey too :)
Quote from: anjaq on July 05, 2017, 01:27:22 PM
By the way - anyone know what to do in Marbella other than getting the consultation? If you are having the surgery, you probably will mostly stay in a neat hotel room, butwhen going there for a consulation - does it make sense to book the flight a few days early and stay some days? I tried to look for hotels but they are insanely expensive in late August. And cheaper hotels have no pool or anything to do at the hotel, so I wonder what a single traveller can do in the city? And maybe someone knows affordable places to stay there?
I dropped Alexandra Hamer an email asking if a slightly extended vFFS would be feasible, also with the opportunity taking the pictures home. I am still waiting for reply. I wouldn't mind paying something in addition since this issue is simply to important to me.
In 2005 I've spent a while in Marbella - funny enough - ten years later to return for different purposes ;) Things you could visit is the old town near Puerto Banus Marina - the night life, food and the people are amazing, sitting outside during balmy summer nights. Everybody who is anybody spending their vacation out there, showing off with their Maseratis, Porsches and Ferraris. Puerto Cabopino Beach and Marina is also worth seeing. I can highly recommend taking a rental car, driving those 80 kms down the Autopista AP7 to pay Gibraltar a visit. Being a British overseas Territory, you even have to present your passport upon entering - strange feeling. I recall you can even shop duty free there. Take the road all the way up to the top of the rock in order to see Africa in only 40 kms distance. Don't miss out on visiting those subterranean defensive fortifications engraved into the rock with all its tunnels.
Staying at a hotel is indeed ridiculously expensive, starting from EUR 200. So I chose a rental apartment offered on AirBnB instead for EUR 90 per night. Surely you won't have a pool and ocean view as you'd have when renting a hotel room. But I can stand it ^-^
Quote from: Pengola on July 05, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
I managed to get squeezed into a surgical slot this month!!! so excited. I did my skype consult yesterday morning with Dr Simon and i must say he is very professional yet warm and friendly at the same time. Even though the price is like 3 times what Id have to pay in Bangkok I think its a much safer option as their technique is done to compliment Yeson's vocal feminization surgery. I was going to go to Thailand to do it because I didnt want to wait so long for the surgery but now that i got a slot this month im cancelling all my consultations in Bangkok. Ill do a review of my experience too after im done so hopefully it can help other sisters in their journey too :)
You are very lucky! Congrats dear! Somebody else must have called off her surgery I guess. Wishing you a pleasant stay and quick recovery! Hope you'll not be alone out there.
By the way, what do you mean by "as their technique is done to compliment Yeson's vocal feminization surgery"? Is there a link between Facial Team and Yeson? I can hardly imagine.
Quote from: AnonyMs on July 05, 2017, 08:21:22 AM
If you do publish pictures it would be very interesting to see how accurate the virtual FFS is. If you could publish the Virtual FFS and before and after pictures that would be awesome.
Hi dear,
yes this is also something I am wondering, what the average percentage of accuracy would be. 70 or 80 percent? I will figure out. Will be posting a password encrypted document though since I don't wanna every Tom, Dick and Harry to have access right away. Password via PN in due course.
Quote from: Saskia_F on July 06, 2017, 01:32:51 AM
By the way, what do you mean by "as their technique is done to compliment Yeson's vocal feminization surgery"? Is there a link between Facial Team and Yeson? I can hardly imagine.
Oh yes there is!
http://www.yesonvc.net/page/1_1_6.php
They seem to "hang out" together at conferences ;)
Thats great luck to get a surgery date that fast. If you are flexible, its always a good chance, I guess.
Regarding Marbella - I figured it is sort of a high society place. Very expensive, I bet a meal and drink in the evening will cost a fortune as well. If Gibraltar is that close, I am sure that there will be day trips with the bus available? I think renting a car probably is going to be expensive. I asked Jenny from Jennys Nest and she apparently may be able to offer a room for less money than those hotels charge for the high season. So I am considering doing this - would also be nice to see that option in case I end up having the surgery there. She seems not to be officially recommended by FT anymore, but still operates the place and I think people still know it.
Quote from: anjaq on July 06, 2017, 04:51:20 AM
Oh yes there is!
http://www.yesonvc.net/page/1_1_6.php
They seem to "hang out" together at conferences ;)
Thats great luck to get a surgery date that fast. If you are flexible, its always a good chance, I guess.
Regarding Marbella - I figured it is sort of a high society place. Very expensive, I bet a meal and drink in the evening will cost a fortune as well. If Gibraltar is that close, I am sure that there will be day trips with the bus available? I think renting a car probably is going to be expensive. I asked Jenny from Jennys Nest and she apparently may be able to offer a room for less money than those hotels charge for the high season. So I am considering doing this - would also be nice to see that option in case I end up having the surgery there. She seems not to be officially recommended by FT anymore, but still operates the place and I think people still know it.
Oh, we've come full circle :o That's interesting to know about Facial Team and Yeson.
Trips offered by hotels are inevitably more expensive than the same trips offered by local travel agents, so look around and compare prices. You can easily get to Gibraltar from Marbella by getting the express bus to La Linea (just across the border) from Marbella Bus Station. La Linea bus station is very close to the border, just walk across and get a bus. However you'd have to walk up all the way from Gibraltar old town to the top of the rock. It's pretty steep and in this heat ... But possibly there are small busses going up.
Unfortunately I don't know what Jenny's nest's conditions and rates are. Me myself I'd rather go for an own apartment rented privately. The prices are really decent.
Yes - I find it cool that the two cooperate somewhat. It also means you can have FFS with FT and not worry about them damaging your voice during surgery, as they are aware of what Dr Kim does.
I think I would try to find local travel agencies. No desire for a walk up a hill in that heat. Jennys prices for nonsurgical guests seem to be similar to what is paid for a private rented apartment and they have a pool and good tips what to do, I understand.... Private single rooms in the appartement of someone else are cheaper though, but I do not like that. Also I am not convinced of AirBNB - they seem to be a hit or miss thing with some people having horrible experiences and others great ones.
I started with a Skype consultation with FT after purchasing a virtual FFS from Alexandra Hamer. Based on her analysis and the FT consultation, I sent in my deposit and locked in a surgery date. When I arrived in Marbella, I had a face-to-face consultation with Drs. Simon and Capitan to finalize the decision on what surgeries would be performed. There were no changes from the initial consultation (forehead reconstruction, rhinoplasty, lip lift, and trachea shave).
The VFFS was very helpful for me in making a decision on which surgeries to pursue. Other surgeons recommended things that might have made minor improvements, but were not deemed necessary by Ms. Hamer or FT. I'm very satisfied with their recommendations.
I must say, however, that you should not to take the VFFS simulations too literally. There's no way Ms. Hamer can anticipate some anatomical factors which can influence what can be actually be accomplished by the surgeon. In my case, the thickness of my skin limited how much my nose could be narrowed. If you compare the VFFS images with my actually results 3 months post-op, you can see the differences. Having said that, I'm glad that I had the VFFS done. It helped resolve the uncertainty that I was feeling about what to do.
BTW, several of the other surgeons that I consulted with barely looked at the VFFS images, and dismissed my concerns about doing forehead recontouring without a CT scan to determine the thickness of the bone covering the frontal sinus cavity. I did not want to risk perforation of the anterior wall of the sinus cavity, or have bone filler used to shape my forehead. That was a huge factor in my decision to choose FT over several surgeons here in the US.
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Quote from: Saskia_F on July 06, 2017, 01:32:51 AM
You are very lucky! Congrats dear! Somebody else must have called off her surgery I guess. Wishing you a pleasant stay and quick recovery! Hope you'll not be alone out there.
By the way, what do you mean by "as their technique is done to compliment Yeson's vocal feminization surgery"? Is there a link between Facial Team and Yeson? I can hardly imagine.
Yes there is a link between them. Anjaq sent it :) And yes someone cancelled so i got squeezed in. Flights are a nightmare however from Australia. More than 30 hours including 2 lay overs over 3 flights! But im excited to do my adam's apple removed finally. Also when i visited Yeson they told me that so far FacialTeam is the only clinic they recommend for the tracheal shave because they havent seen any damage to the voice quality. So even though its alot more expensive than Thailand and Korea, i dont mind paying the money for the extra assurance, at least it calms it down not having to worry.
Hi Saskia;
I had my consultation done in person last November in Marbella. I stayed in the 300 bedroom resort right next door to the Clinic for 5 days. Its was very comfortable and because it was off season it was very cost effective. The food buffet style was very nice (breakfasts were excellent). It also has two beauticians, so I availed of them by getting my nails and toenails done as well as a bikini line and full leg wax. Which i needed as I was then able to use the swimming pools without embarrassment because of my high thigh cut low back swimsuit . The two pools were great and it was only a short walk to the beach. I also hired a car from Malaga Airport. I also had a really nice few hours with Jenny and her team at Jenny Nest and then went out to dinner with her and guests in Marbella. I had a really nice time there as well as meeting two other amazing Transgender women from the UK. By the way I also had a consultation whilst in Marbella with Dr Aslani at Cirumed http://www.cirumed.es (http://www.cirumed.es) Dr Aslani does BBL and is one of the foremost surgeons doing that work. Well worth approaching him to get a quote. I was very surprised at how cost effective his prices were. He also does fat transfer breast augmentation using BodyJet EVO fat transfer technology.
Judith
Quote from: Clara Kay on July 06, 2017, 06:25:03 PM
I must say, however, that you should not to take the VFFS simulations too literally. There's no way Ms. Hamer can anticipate some anatomical factors which can influence what can be actually be accomplished by the surgeon. In my case, the thickness of my skin limited how much my nose could be narrowed. If you compare the VFFS images with my actually results 3 months post-op, you can see the differences.
Did you post the comparison somewhere? It would be interesting to see the differences between the simulation and reality.
Can the doctors not use touch or the CT scan to determine things like the skin thickness of the nose and thus before the surgery tell you if there are limitations and maybe Alexandra can even put these in the virtuals?
QuoteBTW, several of the other surgeons that I consulted with barely looked at the VFFS images, and dismissed my concerns about doing forehead recontouring without a CT scan to determine the thickness of the bone covering the frontal sinus cavity.
Well as long as they do type 3 forehead, there is no need to make a scan or Xray. If they want to do burring only, they clearly should get one!
Quote from: Clara Kay on July 06, 2017, 06:25:03 PM
I started with a Skype consultation with FT after purchasing a virtual FFS from Alexandra Hamer. Based on her analysis and the FT consultation, I sent in my deposit and locked in a surgery date. When I arrived in Marbella, I had a face-to-face consultation with Drs. Simon and Capitan to finalize the decision on what surgeries would be performed. There were no changes from the initial consultation (forehead reconstruction, rhinoplasty, lip lift, and trachea shave).
The VFFS was very helpful for me in making a decision on which surgeries to pursue. Other surgeons recommended things that might have made minor improvements, but were not deemed necessary by Ms. Hamer or FT. I'm very satisfied with their recommendations.
I must say, however, that you should not to take the VFFS simulations too literally. There's no way Ms. Hamer can anticipate some anatomical factors which can influence what can be actually be accomplished by the surgeon. In my case, the thickness of my skin limited how much my nose could be narrowed. If you compare the VFFS images with my actually results 3 months post-op, you can see the differences. Having said that, I'm glad that I had the VFFS done. It helped resolve the uncertainty that I was feeling about what to do.
BTW, several of the other surgeons that I consulted with barely looked at the VFFS images, and dismissed my concerns about doing forehead recontouring without a CT scan to determine the thickness of the bone covering the frontal sinus cavity. I did not want to risk perforation of the anterior wall of the sinus cavity, or have bone filler used to shape my forehead. That was a huge factor in my decision to choose FT over several surgeons here in the US.
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Dear Clara,
thank you so much for your elaborations. That helps a lot indeed! All in a nutshell, doing the vFFS with Alexandra at Facial Team in Marbella is the best choice in terms of getting the time needed to do all necessary examinations and to discuss what's best for me to get done.
To be honest, I didn't even consult any other surgeon for my FFS since I meanwhile believe FT is the best choice whatsover, based on my investigations an our sister's opinions. You have a point in saying the vFFS results should not be taken to literally. I guess a "match" of around 70 to 75 % could possibly be achieved. Anything else would probably be wishful thinking.
Did you add a picture with your post? I can't see it. It directs me to another page.
Quote from: Pengola on July 07, 2017, 02:00:05 AM
Yes there is a link between them. Anjaq sent it :) And yes someone cancelled so i got squeezed in. Flights are a nightmare however from Australia. More than 30 hours including 2 lay overs over 3 flights! But im excited to do my adam's apple removed finally. Also when i visited Yeson they told me that so far FacialTeam is the only clinic they recommend for the tracheal shave because they havent seen any damage to the voice quality. So even though its alot more expensive than Thailand and Korea, i dont mind paying the money for the extra assurance, at least it calms it down not having to worry.
Dear Pengola,
goodness gracious me! All the way from Australia! That's quite something ... Are there no surgeons available for the likes of us? If this is your first time in Europe then enjoy your stay and a totally different culture :angel: I am keeping my fingers crossed for you. You'll most likely come alone, but I hope you'll make the acquaintance of a nice sister out there in Marbella.
Quote from: Pengola on July 07, 2017, 02:00:05 AM
Flights are a nightmare however from Australia. More than 30 hours including 2 lay overs over 3 flights! But im excited to do my adam's apple removed finally. Also when i visited Yeson they told me that so far FacialTeam is the only clinic they recommend for the tracheal shave because they havent seen any damage to the voice quality.
Haha - same story for me going to Korea for the Yeson surgery - 26 hours travel time, 2 transfers, one of them in Bejing almost got us turned back... To Marbella it is only 5 hours and one transfer - and only because I am cheap and do not want to pay double for the 3h direct flight
Quote from: judithlynn on July 07, 2017, 03:20:03 AM
I had my consultation done in person last November in Marbella. I stayed in the 300 bedroom resort right next door to the Clinic for 5 days.
That is a different resort than the one they recommend now though, right? Cause this one now is about 10 min by car from the clinic. Called Aldea.
The BBL sounds interesting. I had a fat transfer this year but it was mainly for the breasts. I would be interested to reshape the lower body as well, sadly I have issues with weight and it tends to go up by 6 kg and then I diet and it goes down again - bad conditions for a fat transfer, I think. How much does a BBL cost and do they also do fat reduction at the upper arms and neck?
Regarding BBL, there's some reviews on realself and of Cirumed that are worth looking at. There's one or two negative ones that are quite interesting.
Quote from: Saskia_F on July 07, 2017, 07:46:40 AM
Dear Pengola,
goodness gracious me! All the way from Australia! That's quite something ... Are there no surgeons available for the likes of us? If this is your first time in Europe then enjoy your stay and a totally different culture :angel: I am keeping my fingers crossed for you. You'll most likely come alone, but I hope you'll make the acquaintance of a nice sister out there in Marbella.
Hrmmm from my experience with Aussie surgeons, they are just not that specialised. Its usually one surgeon performing everything from lipo to breast to nose to eyes. I rather go to a very specialized facility with surgeons who do not act outside their speciality for my surgery. Ive done surgery in Australia, US Thailand and Korea and ive only had completely satisfactory work done in Korea because the surgeons are very specialized. The other surgeons i went to in the other 3 countries would do one procedure well but the others would require revision :(. Korea however isn't good for tracheal shave. I was going to go to Thailand for it but Yeson told me that they have seen so many patients who have had a change to their vocal quality following the procedure except the facial team. Dr Simon also said they have discussed with Dr Kim on how the procedure should be performed to maintain vocal quality for the voice surgery following the tracheal shave. Interesting thing i learnt from the skype consult which is what dr kim said also, is that the risk isnt so much damaging the vocal cords which if the incision is done right you should not even see the vocal cords. The risk is affecting the muscle which supports the vocal cord so facial team is extra careful to maintain the integrity of the structure whilst maximum the reduction process.
All my friends are like "but u get to chill in marbella". But to me I don't enjoy the beach. I like the cold and i enjoy shopping in a megacity like new york tokyo hong kong etc haha. Plus I literally have to fly back the moment i finish the surgery because work has me swamped this month. It would be nice to meet some sisters at the clinic tho. I could use some company! :)
Quote from: AnonyMs on July 08, 2017, 02:57:41 PM
Regarding BBL, there's some reviews on realself and of Cirumed that are worth looking at. There's one or two negative ones that are quite interesting.
I checked. There seems to be very few negative feedbacks overall - I think it showed me less than 5% of 3 star or less, I consider this good as no surgeon is pefect unles she sues all people writing negative results - lol
Or did I look in the wrong place?
Are the waiting times really that lengthy? 6 months from consultation seems like forever...
I've got two months to go on a seven month sentence, errrr, I mean, waiting period. But yeah, for good surgeons, it seems like four to six months is a typical wait. Maybe even a little low. You might be able to get in sooner if you have fewer procedures.
Quote from: Mangothedog on July 09, 2017, 11:24:28 PM
Are the waiting times really that lengthy? 6 months from consultation seems like forever...
Oh yes, currently the waiting list is 6 months, Carmen from FT told me. However, if you're flexible enough, you might be lucky to get an earlier surgery slot due to someone else who might have cancelled her appointment.
Quote from: anjaq on June 29, 2017, 04:14:36 PM
I will be there in End of August because the consultations in other cities wer enot clear enough, no 3D scans, not enough time, I guess. As I understand it it is like this: consultation is free except travel and room. If you want to book a surgery date you can do it at any time if you pay a deposit, but if you withdraw the date, they charge you those 400-600 EU for rescheduling the date to another patient. But its the only way to save you a date for surgery, if you do not do that, it means if you go for a date, you will have to accept 6 months advance booking and also the quote they give only is valid half a year, after that, prices often increase.
The virtual images Alexandra does are only available during the consultation unless you pay her her regular fee, in which case she will do them properly and not just a quick version and you get them in email. She did mine during a consultation but I did not buy them. Later I did take new pictures and sent them to her to make it again and then paid for it to keep them.
Good morning Anja,
I got news from Alexandra Hamer. I touched base with her recently, asking if I'll be "allowed" taking my vFFS pictures home after FFS consultation. She affirmed same on the ground that FACIAL TEAM indeed pays for them. They will be emailed after consultation.
My 2nd question was if it's feasible to conduct another 'version' of vFFS, meaning using long hair (since I'm still wearing short hair) and I'm dying for having a post vFFS pic showing the 'full result' as kinda incentive to bridge my time until my FFS surgery. She said I could of course hire her on a private basis after consultation to get this done too.
Very glad to hear that and I'll definitely make use of that even though I will have to pay for it ;)
Quote from: judithlynn on July 07, 2017, 03:20:03 AM
Hi Saskia;
I had my consultation done in person last November in Marbella. I stayed in the 300 bedroom resort right next door to the Clinic for 5 days. Its was very comfortable and because it was off season it was very cost effective. The food buffet style was very nice (breakfasts were excellent). It also has two beauticians, so I availed of them by getting my nails and toenails done as well as a bikini line and full leg wax. Which i needed as I was then able to use the swimming pools without embarrassment because of my high thigh cut low back swimsuit . The two pools were great and it was only a short walk to the beach. I also hired a car from Malaga Airport. I also had a really nice few hours with Jenny and her team at Jenny Nest and then went out to dinner with her and guests in Marbella. I had a really nice time there as well as meeting two other amazing Transgender women from the UK. By the way I also had a consultation whilst in Marbella with Dr Aslani at Cirumed http://www.cirumed.es (http://www.cirumed.es) Dr Aslani does BBL and is one of the foremost surgeons doing that work. Well worth approaching him to get a quote. I was very surprised at how cost effective his prices were. He also does fat transfer breast augmentation using BodyJet EVO fat transfer technology.
Judith
Dear Judith,
glad to read a happy story like this :angel: Almost sounded like holidays ... Seems like Jenny and friends are real social people.
Before you even suggested it, I contacted Cirumed in Marbella and eventually talked to Jenny De Bonis Amann on the phone. I am even more excited to read your opinion about this clinic. Jenny answered all my questions so far - we talked about 20 minutes. Cirumed was founded in 2009 and naturally they have a lot of transgender patients. During my FFS consultation in September I intended to drop by Cirumed as well, but it's unfortunately a Friday where they don't conduct consultations. She said also a Skype consultation would be possible, but I prefer to fly down for a face-to-face meeting since it is merely a 2 hrs flight for me. Based upon online Reviews and the positive feedback here in the forum I am most likely going to choose Cirumed for my BBL. Also that BodyJet EVO fat transfer technology, that must be quite gentle, convinced me.
Quote from: anjaq on July 09, 2017, 01:00:05 PM
I checked. There seems to be very few negative feedbacks overall - I think it showed me less than 5% of 3 star or less, I consider this good as no surgeon is pefect unles she sues all people writing negative results - lol
I agree, but have a look at this. He discusses the issue in some detail, but I've no idea if its correct.
https://www.realself.com/review/malaga-spain-es-31-year-male-brazilian-butt-lift
https://www.realself.com/review/miami-fl-brazilian-butt-lift-revision-bbl-dr-salama-male-patient
Cirumed worry me as they obviously spend a lot of effort on marketing. I'd have the same concern with Facial Team, except there's such a large number of independent reviews about them.
Well - as I said, there will always be a few people who are saying they are unhappy - and probably some of them rightfully so. With fat transfer there is always a risk of the body not taking it, so the lipo works, the transfer goes away within months. its a risk of that kind of surgery.
There are also some patients of Facialteam that are not 100% happy and while Yeson is IMO still the best or among the top 3 at least regarding voice surgery, there are several patients reporting no change from that either. So its more about the statistics. If 1 in 100 is unhappy because not enough changed, I consider it a good surgeon. If 1 out of 100 has a horrible result worse than before, I see it differently and of course if someone has a 80:20 chance of getting it good its a high risk and maybe not a good surgeon.
Facialteam does a lot of marketing indeed. It makes me nervous, to be honest, as I generally dislike people who do that much marketing for anything.
He also said he thought the other BBL results on realself were not good, but I don't know enough about it to judge for myself.
Hi folks,
since my appointment at Facial Team is getting closer - next week - I am wondering what basic questions I could take up in my questionaire to ask the surgeon(s).
I know that each patient is individual in what could be done. But does anyone have suggestions or is there a sample questionaire somewhere available where I could retrieve a couple questions from?
Basically this is how it is probably going to go. You will have to fill out some forms, then get the CT scan, then sit a while and have coffee and get photos taken - several sets for documentation, 3D imaging and VFFS - then you get the consultation. The surgeons usually will have printouts of the CT and photos and will want to also touch your face to feel the things they see on the scan.
Then it depends - if you go there for the first time, they can go on and tell you what features are most masculine, which should be adressed, what to do about it and they can draw lines on the CT scan to show what they would change. If Alexandra is there, she also will do a live photo simulation of the things discussed so you can see the outcome.
If you have any specific questions, you should not them and probably will either have to intterrupt the assessment, or better wait until the assessment is ending and they ask you what you want to know. But overall it can be a dialogue.
So the standard questions will be answered anyways, its up to you to ask specific questions that you have in mind - like if you have some part of the face that worries you most or that you have a specific image how it should me in your head - you can discuss this. In my opinion, Alexandra is rather reluctant to consider personal beauty choices, but the team is not, they will even accept if you want some masculine features because it is a family trait and not try to talk you out of it. They do have some limits though where they will not go - they do not take away as much bone as some other surgeons may accept to do, for medical reasons.
So genreally - they will be doing a "presentation" and guide you through the consultation if you do not ask, which is fine, but if you want to know some specific things or individual questions, write them down and either ask them when they talk about the area in question or ask them at the end of the process. If you already know some things about FFS you can tell them , so they save time explaining how a FFS is done and what a FFS is.
Hi Folks,
as promised a few months ago, I would like to herewith post my before/after pics made by Alexandra Hamer a couple days ago.
I've had my FT consultation last week and am now happy that everything's settled so far.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/az67b0mywsrvyjv/AAAJt1RqU4IKnbPFpl26WNHJa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/az67b0mywsrvyjv/AAAJt1RqU4IKnbPFpl26WNHJa?dl=0)
Thanks for posting that. Its really interesting flicking back and forth between each pair and seeing the difference so clearly illustrated. Even if its not accurate for the final result its still educational as to what the different parts of FFS actually are and do.
Hey Saskia!
I am glad you are very happy with your consultation. What was your price quote of I may ask, and what procedures have you decided on?
Also did you book a date for the surgery?
Wishing good luck and sending you kisses
Hi Saksia and Anonymous,
Jenny has now said that Jenny's Nest is now accepting patients from Cirumed for post operative care. This really is quite important as you need really to lie on your tummy for a minimum of 14 days (obviously you can get up and walk about) and have massage sessions. So it makes it a bit difficult to fly anywhere long, otherwise if you do it to soon all the effort you have put into rounding out your buttocks could be effected. What better surroundings to recover from the Cirumed procedure than the comforting and beautiful surroundings of Jenny's Nest.
Judith