It's interesting seeing the before/after pictures from those on HRT. The differences are often clear, but also tricky to quantify.
The geek in me wants to use tech to track my own changes.
I'm hoping to use facial photogrammetry to record 3D models of my face over time, these will (hopefully) better show where changes have occurred and to what extent.
If i have any luck, I'll post the results here ☺️.
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That will be interesting
This is a few months old but I think there is some difference. The first picture was after a couple of months of HRT. The second picture was at two years. If nothing else, my hair got longer. LOL
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff341%2Fdebbie7571%2FForum%2520Pics%2F1788DB80-4520-4F44-BE8F-E4286CBFDF16_zps3792isg3.jpg&hash=c2b85d72ffdb95289658f0fa9e8f3de09392e4ea) (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/debbie7571/media/Forum%20Pics/1788DB80-4520-4F44-BE8F-E4286CBFDF16_zps3792isg3.jpg.html)
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
This is an initial effort just using my mobile phone and the free autodesk remake tool:
https://sketchfab.com/models/39c91672954747cd83a5f61b2f5a5f02
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That site requires a login.
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
Links Staffer putting up dead links...tsk, tsk :laugh: We're the cream of the crop, I tells ya! :laugh:
Hugs, Devlyn
Not dead, but they do make you sign-in or register to view.
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What a great idea! The results ive seen as well but you are right, they are hard to quantify. My spouse has recently mentioned that she sees my face as "smoother", so i have that opinion.
Hrt doesn't not change your face.
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Bone, no, muscle and fat, yes. The extent varies as always.
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Quote from: meganjames2 on July 07, 2017, 12:35:39 AM
Bone, no, muscle and fat, yes. The extent varies as always.
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And skin texture and oilyness most definitely.
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Quote from: ezjuliani on July 06, 2017, 08:00:17 PM
Hrt doesn't not change your face.
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You're negating a negation. So you aknowledge that it DOES change your face, right?
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Most of the comments people have about my face after 4 years on HRT are that:
- My cheeks and more rounded
- My cheeks look rosy
- complexion is outstanding
- skin and pores look really good and soft
- I have a lost a lot of my double chin
- I have no Adams Apple - I never had one actually!
Quote from: Sarah.VanDistel on July 07, 2017, 03:20:58 AM
You're negating a negation. So you aknowledge that it DOES change your face, right?
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Huh? It's does not change your face, real change comes from surgery.
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Quote from: ezjuliani on July 07, 2017, 03:40:35 AM
Huh? It's does not change your face, real change comes from surgery.
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I was only alluding to the construction of your sentence; when you deny a negation, you're making an affirmation...
About the issue at hand... Of course HRT can change the face. It did for me. Yes, FFS will change my bony structure, but my face is not just made of bone. Perhaps you had a different experience and that's ok... just don't generalize it. [emoji6] Peace & Hugs, Sarah
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Stop deceiving yourself and other, HRT does nothing to your face.
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Quote from: ezjuliani on July 07, 2017, 03:54:48 AM
Stop deceiving yourself and other, HRT does nothing to your face.
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Well... To each her own. Lets agree to disagree. I'm sorry HRT did nothing to your face.
I still wanna believe that this just a matter of definitions...
"Face" is a part of the body which comprises bone and soft tissues, which in turn are basically made of muscle, fat, loose connective tissue, skin, sensorial organs.
Now, I reckon that HRT does not change one's facial bony structure. Only surgery can. And I do plan to have FFS.
But there are other aspects that are also important to a transgender woman, which are fat distribution, skin texture and porosity, oilyness, pilosity. In my case, HRT had a negligible effect, if any, on my beard; electrolysis and laser have been necessary. But my skin is undeniably smoother, dryer and firmer. And I didn't do anything else (peelings, etc) except HRT. And I'm clearly not the only reporting those effects.
If those effects are sufficient to make someone pass is an entirely different question and that depends on other factors, such as the native bony structure.
Lastly, if you deny the plausibiliy of changes of the soft tissues, then I give up and we are done with this conversation, but I'll leave with the conviction that you don't know what you're talking about.
Peace & Hugs,
Sarah
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Well I'll run my analysis, and then in a couple of years I'll know for sure ☺️, stay tuned!
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Quote from: ezjuliani on July 07, 2017, 03:54:48 AM
Stop deceiving yourself and other, HRT does nothing to your face.
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There is too much evidence for this to be correct. As you've seen here. Smoother skin, less oily skin, under layer of fat which smoothes out wrinkles etc. There is in many cases a significant feminization of the look of your face from the changes in fat on your cheeks.
HRT does not change anything about your skull or musculature, obviously that has to come from a skilled surgeon with his/her saws and scalpels.
I don't think its nice to say stop deceiving yourselves to people that are testifying to the contrary of your remark.
Quote from: ezjuliani on July 07, 2017, 03:54:48 AM
Stop deceiving yourself and other, HRT does nothing to your face.
Cheeks, some reduction in masseter muscle, all soft tissue changes... The skin is smoother, fees thinner, and is less oily. Pores on and near the nose are smaller.
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Hi Sarah
Quote from: Sarah.VanDistel on July 07, 2017, 04:19:41 AM
But my skin is undeniably smoother, dryer and firmer. And I didn't do anything else (peelings, etc) except HRT. And I'm clearly not the only reporting those effects.
I'm gearing up for HRT now and am curious how long did it take before your complexion changed?
Quote from: Charlotte F on July 07, 2017, 01:35:23 PM
Hi Sarah
I'm gearing up for HRT now and am curious how long did it take before your complexion changed?
Hi Charlotte!
It was something gradual, but about 6 weeks into HRT I had no more acne and my skin wasn't oily anymore. Oily skin was a problem which I struggled with my whole life... I always looked like I was sweating but it was sebum... I found it disgusting. Well, HRT totally solved that. So much that I must now use moisturizer in the morning and evening, or the skin becomes dry. The pores around my nose also became noticeably smaller and after a good 4 months, much of my fine wrinkles were gone. For me, it was a fountain of youth!
Good luck to you!
Peace & Hugs, Sarah
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Quote from: Sarah.VanDistel on July 07, 2017, 01:43:35 PM
It was something gradual, but about 6 weeks into HRT I had no more acne and my skin wasn't oily anymore. Oily skin was a problem which I struggled with my whole life... I always looked like I was sweating but it was sebum... I found it disgusting. Well, HRT totally solved that. So much that I must now use moisturizer in the morning and evening, or the skin becomes dry. The pores around my nose also became noticeably smaller and after a good 4 months, much of my fine wrinkles were gone. For me, it was a fountain of youth!
Wow - HRT certainly works fast! I guess in my mind I didn't think there would really be much chance of anything outwardly noticeable happening for at least six months. I suppose it's a case of YMMV but that's super encouraging
Charlotte
It doesn't take long and it is noticeable . I had been on HRT for less than a year when someone looked at my three year old profile picture on LinkedIn. He said I looked really different (and he didn't know why, LOL).
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I totally agree with you gals about the tangible impacts of hrt on our faces but hey, you left out the most significant part of the facial changes and they are obvious in most of our pictures. Ever since I began hrt a little over a year ago I have been happier than I can ever rember. The smile that lives on my face (when I am not crying ) has take years off of my look and has changed the my whole image. That has to be added to the list of demonstrable changes induced by hormone therapy.
Quote from: ezjuliani on July 07, 2017, 03:54:48 AM
Stop deceiving yourself and other, HRT does nothing to your face.
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When I went back on HRT after being off it for about 10 years, within a month the fat moved to my face removed the purple under my eyes. I am also seeing fat deposited on my cheeks however at my current dosage, it's gone to take another couple of years to get things back the way they should be. HRT for most of us isn't FFS but combined with makeup and the correct hair style can make a difference.
My proof is before I returned to hormones, going in public without makeup, I would not be gendered or gendered male. In the last few months, I am being gendered female. Something has changed and I am pretty sure it's because HRT has pushed me over the edge.
My phone has facial recognition and it links all pics with the same faces together and makes a folder well about 2 months ago I have a new folder because my phone now thinks I am a different person
As a community we have to deal with alot of people trying to impose their opinions on us, let's not do it to each other.
I've seen many comments and seen many pictures that suggest changes (soft tissue only) may occur. Those that feel this is the case are welcome to their opinion, as are those who don't.
I will measure the effects myself, but even then, whatever they are, they will only relate to my own experience.
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Quote from: natalie.ashlyne on July 07, 2017, 07:26:09 PM
My phone has facial recognition and it links all pics with the same faces together and makes a folder well about 2 months ago I have a new folder because my phone now thinks I am a different person
Ha mine did that too! I forgot about that.
Quote from: Michelle_P on July 07, 2017, 12:24:14 PM
Cheeks, some reduction in masseter muscle, all soft tissue changes... The skin is smoother, fees thinner, and is less oily. Pores on and near the nose are smaller.
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Is that really you Michelle, that HRT really is good stuff can't wait to get on it.
Sara
Quote from: coldHeart on July 11, 2017, 06:10:16 PM
Is that really you Michelle, that HRT really is good stuff can't wait to get on it.
Sara
Yup, I just checked the mirror and that's me. Note that I'm also getting better with hair and makeup. (And that is the exact same wig in both the 2 month and one year shots)
I've posted my full makeup drill over here: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,217010.msg1921004.html#msg1921004 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,217010.msg1921004.html#msg1921004)
Takes about 20-25 minutes in the morning, lasts into the evening with a quick touch up.
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