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Title: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: AlyssaJ on July 11, 2017, 11:49:00 PM
My work transition and full-time date is set for November 1.  This was a date that I proposed to work based on when I thought the changes from HRT would become so significant that I'd no longer be able to hide them.  I read a lot of others' experiences and it seemed like many were able to hide early changes, especially breast growth for quite a while and so that's how I came up with that date.

Well I fear I may be in for some challenge here and I'm looking for ideas.  In the past 3-4 weeks my breasts have started developing.  I don't have any significant growth (nowhere near an A cup, not even sure an AA would fit).  However, the little bit I do have is already noticeable.  Tonight while wearing a somewhat snug T-Shirt, my wife stopped me and asked "Are you budding?"  Clearly they were showing through. 

Now granted, she knows that I'm on Hormones and any change in my chest would probably trigger questions (changes that most other people might not even notice), but I've still got over three months to get through before I go full-time.  I'm concerned now that I may have mis-judged how large my breasts would need to be in order to be noticed. I'm starting to think that with my slim build and the current rate of progress, I may hit a point of no return before that November date.

At what point (size) did you feel your breasts were no longer able to be hidden? What have you ladies done to hide breasts before you transitioned in certain environments like work?  Did you have to go all out with a binder?  Did you find other methods that worked?  I'm just looking for some experiences and suggestions just in case.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: JMJW on July 12, 2017, 12:57:26 AM
Your wife knows your body better than almost any one else so will be much more able to see slight changes than a work acquaintance.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Shellie Hart on July 12, 2017, 02:15:38 AM
I used to wear tight-fitting pull-over shirts during warm weather. Not any more. My breasts after 14 months HRT are very erect and obvious in those shirts. I only wear the looser button-up styles now. This helps greatly now but I am still developing so it's getting close to being impossible to hide the girls. I saw myself on a security camera tv at the pharmacy recently and I definitely have obvious breasts all the time now. I have gotten into the habit of pulling my shirt out forward to try to hide but I know soon it will be over....if they continue growing. Happy but a bit scary....
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Deborah on July 12, 2017, 05:09:09 AM
Sometime in under a year they became noticeable.  At first I just wore loose shirts but later I simply just quit thinking about it and don't try to hide anything.  Since my hair is now long and I can't hide that it all kind of goes together.


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Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2017, 05:14:01 AM
I'm currently a B cup and I can easily hide the beasts with a loose fitting shirt and jacket. Would be even easier with a  fairly comfortable fitting binder.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Natalia on July 12, 2017, 05:22:19 AM
When you are a bit overweight, hiding is really easy as boobs can be mistaken as moobs  ::) ... but when you are not overweight... yep... hiding developing breasts can be a challenge.

Loose clothes can help, or using a binder (or very compressive clothes underneath)... but if you need to wear tighter clothes then your "girls" will become very noticeable, even if they are small... that's because they stand out on what should be a flat chest.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: KathyLauren on July 12, 2017, 06:40:42 AM
Mine started growing at about six weeks.  For a month or two, they grew to (maybe) an AA, then they slowed right down.  :(  Before I went full-time (which was at three months on HRT), there was a month where I wore a compression-type sports bra to flatten them when out in public, with a loose-fitting shirt over top.  That worked pretty well and no one noticed.

They haven't grown much more since then, so that technique would probably still work if I was presenting male, though just barely.  They are still about AA.  A padded bra brings them up to an A, which is respectable in public.  Though I typically wear just a T-shirt around the house, they are big enough that I can't get away with that out in public.  I have to wear a bra so as not to look like a slut.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: JillianC on July 12, 2017, 07:15:05 AM
I'm noticing the opposite affect and am surprised how big they must be before they are noticeable.  After about 20 weeks, I have AAs that appear like breasts when I'm topless but are only noticeable in clothing if I am wearing tighter fitting t-shirts or small female tops.  When wearing my male clothes or work attire (polo type shirts) it just looks like I have bigger pecs.  I've asked a female co-worker a couple of times if she's noticed them yet and much to my dismay she says no.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: josie76 on July 12, 2017, 08:04:17 AM
Women seem to notice mine. Guys don't, thankfully. I usually wear a sports bra as that helps hold them back. However for work many sports bras will ride up when I'm reaching overhead, kinda painfully and require a lot of adjustment. I have found a sports like bra by Hanes with a really wide lower elastic band. Only thing is the elastic cups do not really hold me back.

For work I wear a heavyweight tee shirt under my button type uniform shirt. It helps. If I wear just a tee shirt women notice because of the roundness on the sides. Otherwise my spare tire seems to mostly keep them being seen as just moobs for now. If I wear a women's fitting tee then there's no mistaking something is there. Lol 😀

As I am gaining confidence a bit at a time I am worried less about people noticing. I already have longer growing and dyed hair, ball stud earrings, and pretty fem trimmed eyebrows. As my body has lost upper muscle mass my shape is harder to hide anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: elkie-t on July 12, 2017, 08:04:25 AM
Why hide? Say 'we aren't getting younger...', or better yet - 'doctors prescribed me some medications and I think I got development in my chest'. Honesty is usually a good policy, you know


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Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Paige on July 12, 2017, 09:08:26 AM
Hi Alyssa,

I'm on low dose.  My left breast has grown a bit.  Basically I can cup it with my hand and my wife thinks it's almost a B.  I'm also pretty thin.  I'm getting very self conscious since it's summer time but no one has commented.  I try to wear loose fitting t-shirts.  I'm not sure if it's that noticeable but I sometimes get the feeling some people are looking at my chest.  Maybe my nervousness about it is making people curious or maybe I'm paranoid.

Since I haven't decided to transition and am stealth, it makes it a tad difficult.  I've been thinking of a binder or something like a sports bra but I worry that would be noticeable under a t-shirt.

Hope you find an answer,
Paige :)

Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: AlyssaJ on July 12, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: elkie-t on July 12, 2017, 08:04:25 AM
Why hide? Say 'we aren't getting younger...', or better yet - 'doctors prescribed me some medications and I think I got development in my chest'. Honesty is usually a good policy, you know

Well it isn't about being dishonest, but trying to avoid letting the cat out of the bag in a way that I (and my employer) do not have control of the message.  My concern isn't with co-workers.  Heck I hardly see them anyway and yeah I would have opportunity to explain like you have above. 

My concern is our clients who I meet with pretty regularly. My company is investing a lot of money in a consultant to help them craft the message about my transition to our clients.  This is being done both in the interests of the company and well as my own. If a client notices something like breast development before they're aware of my transition, the response is a total unknown.  They could respectfully keep quiet about it and just assume I have some medical issue.  That would be a fine scenario.  However, my concern is the other very possible response which is they keep quiet to my face but it colors their opinion of me and/or my company in some negative way resulting in a loss of business or poor treatment of me personally.  While we can't control how a client will react, controlling the initial message helps prevent poor reactions where possible (some people will just be closed-minded jerks no matter what).

So hence my concern.  Now of course I could just be blowing all of this out of proportion and loose dress shirts will hide things sufficiently until I start full-time, but I want to be prepared.  I really wasn't expecting anyone to notice yet so when my wife asked, it took me back a bit.

Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: elkie-t on July 12, 2017, 04:13:55 PM
What I said, is that you can openly admit your chest development without telling  about any transition. Just say 'it's a side effect of some medical drug you had to take'. Many men have gynecomastia and live with it


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Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Shellie Hart on July 12, 2017, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: elkie-t on July 12, 2017, 04:13:55 PM
What I said, is that you can openly admit your chest development without telling  about any transition. Just say 'it's a side effect of some medical drug you had to take'. Many men have gynecomastia and live with it

I had mild gynecomastia when I was very young, but my understanding is that the condition does not really get to the point where they are really as large as well-endowed girls. In 14 months I have developed breasts that would likely be judged as much more than just simply gyne. I have a very slim body and these new, buxom breasts could not possibly be passed off as gyne, but maybe because of some drug? I don't know, but I have not seen some relatives in months, and I am afraid when I do see them again, I "ain't gonna have any excuses!" :o I am a bit afraid of reactions, I guess. Just gotta go buy some mighty big and baggy shirts....
Title: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: elkie-t on July 12, 2017, 06:39:30 PM
Gynecomastia has different levels of progression down to fully developed breasts. Some medications (probably dealing with prostate) cause breast development (and it's not unheard for older men to need this medicine).

I mean, try to minimize it as much as you like, but have a plan B if your hiding is noticed.

Once I went out with d-size breast forms in male mode to a gun range... There would be no way to hide them (and that was no reason for me to wear breast forms and trying to hide them) and I was not pretending to be a woman, still no one of redneck boys batted an eye for me or treated me disrespectfully. They just assumed it's a medical condition.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: 2.B.Dana on July 12, 2017, 10:14:21 PM
Breast growth is not linear. It grows and stalls. Then grows again. A loose shirt will cover many mounds and a suit coat covers it all. I wear a 40 G bra everyday in male mode without a problem. Just a larger shirt than I would normally wear and it's fine.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Jenna Marie on July 13, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
I actually did have to move up my date for coming out at work. I was wearing a tight sports bra under a loose undershirt with a loose overshirt on top of that, and people were still noticing something. By 3 months in, I was a 42C and it was coming up on the hottest part of the summer to boot, when I couldn't get away with that many layers without looking weird for that alone. I wasn't about to bind for real (that damages developing breasts), so I gave up and came out to my supervisor. Fortunately, everyone was great about it.

The main trick I did learn was that it was about changing the silhouette; if I had boxy men's shirts that were a couple sizes too big, I could make myself look square/fat rather than curvy (up to a point).
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: coldHeart on July 13, 2017, 05:45:48 PM
A couple of years ago i had a tumor grow on my prostate since then I,ve had to takes meds the result is now I have a nice pair of A cup boobies they might be bigger no sure but I,ve had all sorts of jokes & piss taking from my mates , now I just stopped covering up because at the end of the day this is part of the package that we want but I can understand Alyssa that with your job you currently need to cover up.
Sara
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: DawnOday on July 13, 2017, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: AlyssaJ on July 11, 2017, 11:49:00 PM
My work transition and full-time date is set for November 1.  This was a date that I proposed to work based on when I thought the changes from HRT would become so significant that I'd no longer be able to hide them.  I read a lot of others' experiences and it seemed like many were able to hide early changes, especially breast growth for quite a while and so that's how I came up with that date.

Well I fear I may be in for some challenge here and I'm looking for ideas.  In the past 3-4 weeks my breasts have started developing.  I don't have any significant growth (nowhere near an A cup, not even sure an AA would fit).  However, the little bit I do have is already noticeable.  Tonight while wearing a somewhat snug T-Shirt, my wife stopped me and asked "Are you budding?"  Clearly they were showing through. 

Now granted, she knows that I'm on Hormones and any change in my chest would probably trigger questions (changes that most other people might not even notice), but I've still got over three months to get through before I go full-time.  I'm concerned now that I may have mis-judged how large my breasts would need to be in order to be noticed. I'm starting to think that with my slim build and the current rate of progress, I may hit a point of no return before that November date.

At what point (size) did you feel your breasts were no longer able to be hidden? What have you ladies done to hide breasts before you transitioned in certain environments like work?  Did you have to go all out with a binder?  Did you find other methods that worked?  I'm just looking for some experiences and suggestions just in case.

I'm just about at that point myself. But mine are C's. So far I have been able to hide them under a regular dress shirt that I only button half way. Due to taking spiro for 25 years I had a bit of a head start and have had "A" size man boobs for most that  time. The thing really hard to ignore now are the pert nipples. I use a sports bra so they are less conspicuous.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: DawnOday on July 13, 2017, 06:24:23 PM
Quote from: Jenna Marie on July 13, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
I actually did have to move up my date for coming out at work. I was wearing a tight sports bra under a loose undershirt with a loose overshirt on top of that, and people were still noticing something. By 3 months in, I was a 42C and it was coming up on the hottest part of the summer to boot, when I couldn't get away with that many layers without looking weird for that alone. I wasn't about to bind for real (that damages developing breasts), so I gave up and came out to my supervisor. Fortunately, everyone was great about it.

The main trick I did learn was that it was about changing the silhouette; if I had boxy men's shirts that were a couple sizes too big, I could make myself look square/fat rather than curvy (up to a point).

It is hard to get through 100 degree days while wearing two shirts and a latex bra.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Rachel on July 13, 2017, 06:26:17 PM
Explain the situation with your employer.

I used a sports bra, undershirt and dress shirt and that was good. I was an A cup before my BA.
Title: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: ChrissyRyan on January 15, 2018, 03:55:38 PM
Today I was having a meal with others in full cis guy mode in a dress shirt and it was a good time with good food.  I did not think my shirt was too tight, I thought it was rather baggy.  However one guy mentioned that I was pushing out and pointy up there.  I did not say anything, I just shook my head and we all laughed and they mentioned that I was not wearing a sweater like the rest of them to keep warm.

However afterwards I did take a closer look while sitting and I now realize that I should wear looser work clothing, not this shirt.  I have to take a medicine that for guys that can cause moobs and mine are def. in the rounded B size now.  So perhaps some hiding is needed!

I am not transitioning or go out as a woman but I do enjoy a more fluid androgynous look at times.  Sometimes I notice others doing extended looks at me when I am in a more androgynous look, esp. when I do not wear a loose top.  I have not hidden them, such as wearing bras, and so on.  In a way, it is fun to notice them looking, but perhaps not fun at all if I knew what they were thinking as they were looking!  Sometimes I wonder what I would look like up there if they did get bigger, I guess I would need to compress them perhaps with one of those male medical bras.

I am not attracted to males at all.  I think I share some male and female gender characteristics, and I do not wish to be out with makeup or in a dress or heels.  I do enjoy pastels, softer fabrics, and I get emotional.  I enjoy lots of male things too.  I am still a guy and do not wish to be a woman.  I am much more attuned though now to my fem side.  Will I change to be something more like many of you here?  Who knows.  I do emphathize with so many posters and their specific situations and I am learning a lot here.  Thanks much.

Hugs!

Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
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Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Lucy Ross on January 15, 2018, 05:51:23 PM
Hi AlyssaJ,

There are schedules like yours, with set dates, and timelines, where you go from A to B to C etc and react accordingly to all the unforeseen circumstances that come along, like your unexpected growth; although at 9 months HRT your growth isn't much in the first place, if you ask me.  At 5 months I'm at about the same point breast-wise.  Genetics/build/random chance are all factors of course, along with delivery method/dosage.

Are your eyebrows permanently like that, or was that a temporary change for the camera?  Because if you look like that at work I think you already definitely lean towards female in appearance, and a bit of show in the upper chest would fit right in.  Saying goodbye to anything form fitting will downplay things for the time being; my work and drab clothes are really ill fitting so no one picks up as of yet, and people don't actively obsess over things like this, we get super paranoid about what others think but they have plenty else on their mind.

Seems to me there's a whole battery of things you can do to lean back in the masculine direction, clothes, and also just acting more like a dude.   ::)  Maybe.

Your having to bear what your clients will think is a toughy, though.  Hope you find a solution.

As others have said you can always blame manboobs on a touch of cancer, or working out.  Although why your arms would get thin and your pecs start to stick out is a bit of a puzzler... 
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: elkie-t on January 15, 2018, 06:17:01 PM
Where I work, there are many older guys with huge moons... no one gives a second thought. There are plenty reasons (medical and otherwise) why a guy is getting boobs. If he isn't showing any other androgynous traits or behaviors, no one would give a second thought. (And if he does, he'll be judged because of those and not because of the size of the boobs alone).

I was wearing d-size breast forms during day in full guys mode once (for fun, or for 'testing' myself if I could live with them if I start taking E)... so I went full day around to a countryside full of rednecks wearing very visible volumes. But again - those were the only things, the rest of me had no traces of androgyny. I was confident, looked everyone in the eyes, smiled and did not even try to hide them or act anything out of normal. _no_ one ever said anything rude to me, although I've been sirred a lot (as one might expect in a redneck countryside). It was a fun day and a great experience.


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Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: krobinson103 on January 15, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
People don't notice much if you redirect attention (ie not shaving or wearing male clothes). Its getting harder now, but for the first three months its pretty easy to hide.
Title: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: elkie-t on January 15, 2018, 06:20:23 PM
My point is that there is no need to hide anything. If anyone questions, just say - 'yeah, medical condition', (or 'I need to take a medication that gives me this side effect, but I need to take it or I will die'), but don't act embarrassed and people will not care
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Daniellekai on January 15, 2018, 09:15:58 PM
I measured C, but I have to imagine I'm closer to a B cup... Still hiding successfully, however I'm overweight and had a small set before hrt anyway, so people probably think nothing of it if they notice.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: linda troung vu on January 15, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Oh yeah im getting a little bit nervous about this as well. 😆 lol I have a c cup breasts and getting very feminine. 😆 I've been wearing a sports bra to work with a tank top under my work shirts to cover up. 😆 so far you can notice my breast if I only wear a t shirt i couldn't hide it from anyone  .so I just have to get used to it from now on. 😆 lol haha.  Even my daughter said to me dad what the hell is that? ? 😆  I just said that im getting fat and chubby  but sooner or later I'm going to be noticed everywhere I go. 😆
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Charlie Nicki on January 16, 2018, 09:12:55 AM
Where's AlyssaJ these days? Haven't seen her for a while.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: ChrissyRyan on January 16, 2018, 10:53:35 PM
Laurie,

That was such a sweet and thoughtful reply.  You gave me some things to think about.
I should post an introduction but I am really not all that interesting, some of the people here sure have amazing transitional experiences or tough life struggles and many here have clearly defined life goals. 

Perhaps I am a gender fence rider or simply want to be on one side of the gender fence more at times than at others but I am overall satisfied with being a guy.  I have a strong desire to typically present my male self. 

Sometimes I wonder why I tuck my hair behind my ears and run my fingers through my thick hair and twirl it at times.  The best explanation is because I like doing it.  Deeper thought has me remembering some attractive women who did this and when it was not annoying to watch, it was entrancing to watch.  Maybe there is a connection there, but far more more likely to the women with pretty hands in their gorgeous hair than a desire to be a woman.

Bye for now.  Thanks Laurie.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: SonadoraXVX on January 17, 2018, 06:37:35 AM
I wear a jacket all the time at work, but off work, Hawaiian shirts and present as an androgynous male. Just not able to transition at my current job and home environment yet. Been on hrt for the past 5 years.  I'm somewhat overweight and have long hair. I would say at the 3 1/2 year mark, is when I hit the point of no return aka no more vneck/crew neck tshirts and dress/work ->-bleeped-<-s only. I have to double layer them, and baggy too.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: sarah1972 on January 17, 2018, 08:33:22 AM
Very good point! I was in a somewhat similar situation: I only spend a few days every year in HQ and rarely meet coworkers since I work home office. But I spend at least one week every month at customers. Lucky for me it was only a limited number and with most I was not worried. Only one I worried about was a strongly religious organization.

One lady at my main customer busted me about 8 month before coming out publicly. She just noticed I was wearing more and more female attire and shoes, along with nail polish. A month before coming to, I called one of their VP's and let him know, he even followed up with their HR department (which funny enough has no jurisdiction over me). On my next visit I told the rest of the group. Many hugs and encouraging words, and they where just happy I did not quit my job. Took them a while but right before the holidays, they had updated all their internal systems and issued a new badge for me. They also invited me into their pride group.

The second large customer I just included in my coming out email. No issues either and I got a new badge on my next visit :-)

The religious group I pretty much handed over to a coworker (before I even started transition) but I have talked to some individuals since and they are all fine with it too.

I had to turn down one project in the middle east, but my manager fully understood when I told him that I would fear about my own safety.

I do have to admit that it is somewhat easy for me, the industry I work in is generally very accepting

I will add one new customer this year, but now that I am all Sarah all the time, I don't expect much problems.


Very cool of your work to actually hire a consultant to help craft the message! Very nice to see an employer really taking care of you and valuing your work...

Quote from: AlyssaJ on July 12, 2017, 09:36:42 AM


Well it isn't about being dishonest, but trying to avoid letting the cat out of the bag in a way that I (and my employer) do not have control of the message.  My concern isn't with co-workers.  Heck I hardly see them anyway and yeah I would have opportunity to explain like you have above. 

My concern is our clients who I meet with pretty regularly. My company is investing a lot of money in a consultant to help them craft the message about my transition to our clients.  This is being done both in the interests of the company and well as my own. If a client notices something like breast development before they're aware of my transition, the response is a total unknown.  They could respectfully keep quiet about it and just assume I have some medical issue.  That would be a fine scenario.  However, my concern is the other very possible response which is they keep quiet to my face but it colors their opinion of me and/or my company in some negative way resulting in a loss of business or poor treatment of me personally.  While we can't control how a client will react, controlling the initial message helps prevent poor reactions where possible (some people will just be closed-minded jerks no matter what).

So hence my concern.  Now of course I could just be blowing all of this out of proportion and loose dress shirts will hide things sufficiently until I start full-time, but I want to be prepared.  I really wasn't expecting anyone to notice yet so when my wife asked, it took me back a bit.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: ChrissyRyan on January 17, 2018, 04:49:35 PM
That is a very nice story Sarah1972, and I love your avitar!

I was wondering if any of you could suggest some TG tests to take that might shed some light if one is non binary, gender fluid, or even maybe specifically MTF TG.  Not so blatant as "You will not be content with your gender image unless you have breasts and a feminine figure and live as a woman, and if this is not so, you are likely binary gendered."   

I guess maybe counseling is another vehicle.  But it would not be like counselling a lot of you do as part of transitioning, or would it?  I mean, you already know what you want, you are determined and clear.  This counseling would be just to help figure things out.   Whatever the results, the person must ultimately decide what the next steps are.   

Taking each day one at a time...

Chrissy

Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: elkie-t on January 17, 2018, 05:00:13 PM
Tests are useless, talks with a councilor, be it a gender therapist, respected pastor or a trusted friend might help to realize what _you_ want and maybe provide different perspective.

But in the end, only you must figure out what you want to do with your life


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Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: KathyLauren on January 17, 2018, 07:30:35 PM
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on January 17, 2018, 04:49:35 PM
I guess maybe counseling is another vehicle.  But it would not be like counselling a lot of you do as part of transitioning, or would it?  I mean, you already know what you want, you are determined and clear.  This counseling would be just to help figure things out.   Whatever the results, the person must ultimately decide what the next steps are.   
You'll see lots of recommendations on this site to see a gender therapist.  That's what it is referring to: a counsellor who will help you figure things out.

Once we've figured it out and know what we want, we have to see them a couple more times to get referral letters and stuff, but most of the work is figuring it out.

So, yes, if you are still searching for answers, seeing a therapist is one of the best things you can do.
Title: Breast development and Hiding Breasts
Post by: Karen on January 08, 2019, 07:16:21 PM
Hi everyone    I am thinking serious about Estrogen, but don't have plans to come out at work.   I am early 50s, 5 foot 11 inches and about 175 pounds.   

I am worried about breast development and outing myself. 

Do you have further thoughts about how long you can hide them?

And do you have other technics for hiding beyond sports bras?   Ie shape wear.   I am a hugger at work and a bra would out me. 

Thanks

Karen
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: krobinson103 on January 08, 2019, 07:53:44 PM
Mine were never really small to begin with (a legacy of low t and being over weight) so it was 3-4 months in a female colleague pointed out that a bra might be a good idea. Since I wasn't trying to hide anything anyway I just went with it. They are c cup now after 1 year and 3 months on hrt and given all  the other changes trying to pass as a man would be stupid at this point. I did find sports bras did help a bit if you wanted to minimise.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: ChrissyRyan on January 08, 2019, 07:59:06 PM
Would a "thinning waist belt" worn higher, over the breasts, hold them in?
Maybe that is like a binder!

Chrissy
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Dena on January 08, 2019, 09:19:32 PM
Hide them in plain sight. If somebody asks, just say it's a side effect of a medication your taking. You would even be telling the truth because your treating Gender Dysphoria and the side effect is that it feminizes your body.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: ChrissyRyan on January 08, 2019, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: Dena on January 08, 2019, 09:19:32 PM
Hide them in plain sight. If somebody asks, just say it's a side effect of a medication your taking. You would even be telling the truth because your treating Gender Dysphoria and the side effect is that it feminizes your body.


Dena,


I like your just letting them show idea.  Of course, if you are also wearing a low cut blouse, maybe there will be some other explaining you need to do.   :)

Chrissy
Title: Re: Breast development and Hiding Breasts
Post by: Linde on January 08, 2019, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: Karen on January 08, 2019, 07:16:21 PM
Hi everyone    I am thinking serious about Estrogen, but don't have plans to come out at work.   I am early 50s, 5 foot 11 inches and about 175 pounds.   

I am worried about breast development and outing myself. 

Do you have further thoughts about how long you can hide them?

And do you have other technics for hiding beyond sports bras?   Ie shape wear.   I am a hugger at work and a bra would out me. 

Thanks

Karen
I still have to see a result from HRT.  But I have natural breast growth (no man boobs), and I have a size 40 A (or 34 B).

I still can hide the girls pretty well under a shirt, specifically if that shirt has breast pockets.  If HRT will  ever kick in for me, I might not be able to do this anymore for long.
Title: Re: Breast development and Hiding Breasts
Post by: pamelatransuk on January 09, 2019, 05:19:08 AM
Quote from: Karen on January 08, 2019, 07:16:21 PM
Hi everyone    I am thinking serious about Estrogen, but don't have plans to come out at work.   I am early 50s, 5 foot 11 inches and about 175 pounds.   

I am worried about breast development and outing myself. 

Do you have further thoughts about how long you can hide them?

Thanks

Karen

Hello again Karen

Just to let you know that I am 63, 5 foot 9 inches and 159 pounds. I have been on both blocker and Estrogen for 11 months whereas you have only been on blocker for 6 months but are considering adding Estrogen to your regimen.

My boobs became noticeable after 8 months and have continued growing at a slow pace the last 3 months. They are becoming more difficult to hide with sports bra and a thick woolie jumper and I know some people have "looked at that area".

This is very much a case of "YMMV" but I think it safe to assume your pace will increase if you add the Estrogen. However there are many Susan's Members who wish to hide for a substantial period of time and remain for that period on low dose Estrogen which still provides emotional benefit and very gradual physical benefit. There are several "Low Dose" threads on HRT Board or on this Board.

If you were to start, it would be "low dose" and therefore you may wish to give that a trail perhaps for 6 months under medical supervision of course and take it from there.

I wish you every success whichever route you choose.

Hugs

Pamela

Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: ramilove on January 09, 2019, 07:57:02 AM
I have significant gynecomastia which developed over the years. One day I looked in the mirror and there they were staring at me, a nice pair of AAs. In the past 6 years I have had one women and one man comment or notice I have breasts. The women during a meetup hike when I was stripped down to my base layer. The conversation went something along the lines of she says "nice boobs", my glib off the cuff reply with a smile "do you like them", she said also with a smile "they are bigger than mine". Another time I was in a pool and I noticed my SO's 30 year old nephew starring at them. I should have kept my mouth shut but being the smart ass that I am I asked him "How do you like my man boobs"? He just laughed did not say another word. The point being having breast is as big of a deal as you choose to make it. Personally, I really do like what gynocomastia has done to my body, I only wish they could be larger, firmer and more perky. Under a tight fitting athletic shirt they are beautiful. Now if only the breast cream will work.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: valerie anne on January 09, 2019, 02:25:02 PM
My problems when underdressed are not so much boob volume as such, but my nipples and bra straps.

My pumping regime has led me to require the support of a bra full time. I have useful wobbly breast volume and large nipples which hang heavy and which protrude a lot. I am on the border of a B & C cup, and I need a padded bra to hide the nipples.

This produces significant booby bumps, but I find that if they are smooth and under a fairly loose shirt, then they don't attract much notice. Many non TG men are quite heavily breasted, and seem to be OK without support!

Bra straps are much harder. It's a combinsation of the bra colour and the strap buckles. A white bra shows under almost any shirt, whereas, surprisingly, a dark red one is difficult to spot.

The bra strap buckles show through under anything than the thickest shirt. I am sure that I get noticed by women quite regularly!

At least I make sure I don't suffer a twisted or dropped strap, which are dead giveaways.     
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Maid Marion on January 09, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
It may help to wear a T shirt bra with a print pattern.  It is easier to pick out solid colors compared to a camo pattern.  VS does sell camo patterns for other stuff, but they have so many bra options who knows what they will have.  T shirt bras are designed be hidden under clothes.
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: valerie anne on January 09, 2019, 04:25:21 PM
I'm not sure that Tee shirt bras actually hide your bust, but rather present it in a nice smooth form under a sheer top.

I love to wear a padded Tee shirt bra, as it masks my nipples, and gives me much needed support, but I can't pretend it's invisible.   

   
Title: Re: Hiding Breasts...I may have miscalculated
Post by: Maid Marion on January 09, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
Yes, you said it better than I did.  They are quite popular nowadays.