So I made a post about the same subject a couple of months ago, but since then HRT (almost 3 months now) has made some changes and my makeup skills have improved. I do still realize that more realistic hair is needed, and I plan on getting sew-in extensions soon. Besides that, am I passable? I have been contemplating going full-time once I have all of the resources I need. Honest opinions? Any input is appreciated!
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Hey, for some reason I couldn't load your images.
I copied and pasted the URL into a new tab and it told me that the album is set to private or something.
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Hey, for some reason I couldn't load your images.
I copied and pasted the URL into a new tab and it told me that the album is set to private or something.
Should be fixed!!
Forget passing thats a given, you are a hot, sexy looking female. >:-)
Super passable and very gorgeous!
Hon you look great, I just see all woman, :D and a really good looking one at that!!
Damn you look super hot totally passable
I think you meant to ask if Angelina Jolie is passable. ;D
Girl you got the femme look nailed.
Now go kill it.
I know I am new here, but I don't see a link to an album...
Quote from: Myranda on July 13, 2017, 07:09:50 AM
I know I am new here, but I don't see a link to an album...
Did you not notice all the photos in the first message?
Quote from: AnneK on July 13, 2017, 07:56:27 AM
Did you not notice all the photos in the first message?
No photos or anything, just the text.
Quote from: Myranda on July 13, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
No photos or anything, just the text.
Weird. I see several photos.
Damn wish I looked that good you are stunning female
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Absolutely. You look like my sister ;)
Yes
In the photos, you look gorgeous. But I wonder if you might have Adam's apple showing... Still, the question should be not 'am I passable', but rather 'what minor cosmetic improvements could improve my appearance'.
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Hi
I'll chime in and give you my vote of approval. No more worrying about it and asking silly questions. You look great no question about it.
Hugs,
Laurie
Quote from: elkie-t on July 15, 2017, 11:26:01 PM
In the photos, you look gorgeous. But I wonder if you might have Adam's apple showing... Still, the question should be not 'am I passable', but rather 'what minor cosmetic improvements could improve my appearance'.
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I didn't see an Adam's apple showing. But I wouldn't worry about it. My sister ( natal female) has one showing quiet prominently because she is rather skinny.
You look absolutely gorgeous!
You look great girl, Super passable!
I am going ti be honest. From the puctures I've seen, you don't pass.
The best test that will give you an honest answer is the public reaction. People in here try their best to be nice and give you reassuring answers. I am not one them as I believe honesty is the best policy.
Quote from: Ritana on July 16, 2017, 01:31:05 AM
I am going ti be honest. From the puctures I've seen, you don't pass.
The best test that will give you an honest answer is the public reaction. People in here try their best to be nice and give you reassuring answers. I am not one them as I believe honesty is the best policy.
Damn "I gotta know?" How??
Quote from: Ritana on July 16, 2017, 01:31:05 AM
I am going ti be honest. From the puctures I've seen, you don't pass.
The best test that will give you an honest answer is the public reaction. People in here try their best to be nice and give you reassuring answers. I am not one them as I believe honesty is the best policy.
I'm curious as to how you don't see her as passing?
I know I don't pass, but she totally looks all woman to me.
Hi LittleWitch
I looked at your photos, read the rest of the comments, read Ritana's comment, looked at your photos again and I have to say that in my opinion you pass very well. I'm envious of you!
A question to Ritana: Could you explain how you come to your conclusion?
regards
Talita
Quote from: Talita on July 16, 2017, 08:05:56 AM
Hi LittleWitch
I looked at your photos, read the rest of the comments, read Ritana's comment, looked at your photos again and I have to say that in my opinion you pass very well. I'm envious of you!
A question to Ritana: Could you explain how you come to your conclusion?
regards
Talita
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Thank Liz :)
My opinion? I think the super thick brow look isn't really the best option for you. That aside, your looks are certainly not going to be a problem when it comes passing. But there is more to passing than just looking pretty. It's even more important to work on mannerisms and voice.
Quote from: Ritana on July 16, 2017, 01:31:05 AM
I am going ti be honest. From the puctures I've seen, you don't pass.
The best test that will give you an honest answer is the public reaction. People in here try their best to be nice and give you reassuring answers. I am not one them as I believe honesty is the best policy.
We do try to be nice, as we cannot know other's struggles, though we are all in a similar boat with our gender idenity not matching out physical sex....That being said, you're entitled to your
<removed> opinion. If you looked at the photos, I don't know how you could "honestly" say she doesn't pass.
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I know how to spot tg. In Bangkok they are everwhere. I run a foundation to help fund tgs who are financially in need in Asia. I hate to challenge Ritana, who in my opinion, is completely wrong. You pass,no doubt about it. Eyebrows that are thickermake you look younger, also you can narrow your face with a strong defined eyebrow. So thats not an issue
I think the word opinion is the best one to remember. We all have them. We can state them as long as it is with respect and not bashing. It is up to us to face the challenge of ultimately going out on our own despite what good or bad has been spoken about one's self. I work in theatre and a wise director suggested that if you believe any of the good reviews, you must believe the bad ones too. We take what we can from the comments; accept them or throw them away.
-now climbing off my soap box of opinions(see ;) what I did there).
I think you look lovely. I try to be nice and encouraging. I try to find things that are working whenever I comment on a photo and maybe constructively point to an improvement. I do live in a glass house, though. Soooo... I guess I can see the eyebrows being thick as an issue for some but that is pretty small. The angles of of your face are beautifully high. Perhaps some are seeing the angles as being sharp? Not sure. It works for me but HRT will probably continue to smooth and round those a little.
Like so many others, I wish I could look like this Little Witch.
Warmly,
Joanna
I know many ciswomen with brows thicker than that... <I think>you're nitpicking,<removed> Would you have a doubt about it, if brows wouldn't stand out. They are actually quite proportional to the face and as long as they aren't bushy, they are fine.
Same with other things, if there are any. Although, I would agree that HRT over time would make the face to be a little bit softer
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Quote from: elkie-t on July 17, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
I know many ciswomen with brows thicker than that... you're nitpicking, because you know that the lady is trans.
No, I just don't like that look I guess. Hence why I prefaced it with "my opinion." Notice that it was followed up by "your looks are certainly not going to be a problem when it comes passing." Because I don't think she looks bad at all. In fact I think she looks great. As long as she works on voice and mannerisms she won't have a problem passing 100% of the time.
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Alright. Let's keep it cool and calm here.
We can have differing tastes in what looks passable and opinions. That is the challenge to answering that question. There are days when you can see stubble on me and I think I am almost passable. Now lets all agree to disagree without getting personal.
Thanks,
Joanna
Freaking passable and gorgeous! OMG you're stunning! I hope I look as good in 3 months.
Almost all of the responses that say "you pass" are from people who <may not> know firsthand what passing really entails.
I am full-time and I pass, as does Ritana. And I agree with her that you do not pass. Quite frankly, it is unrealistic to expect to be passable after less than 3 months on HRT. Men and women are sexually dimorphic, and 3 months of estrogen will not negate years of testosterone influence.
You are definitely pretty though, and you have a very good starting point. Much, much better than I looked at 3 months on HRT, and you are also starting your transition many years before me. I am sure with more time and hard work, you too will be very passable. But you are not there yet.
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Quote from: echo7 on July 17, 2017, 06:36:22 PM
Almost all of the responses that say "you pass" are from people who <may not> know firsthand what passing really entails.
I am full-time and I pass, as does Ritana. And I agree with her that you do not pass. Quite frankly, it is unrealistic to expect to be passable after less than 3 months on HRT. Men and women are sexually dimorphic, and 3 months of estrogen will not negate years of testosterone influence.
You are definitely pretty though, and you have a very good starting point. Much, much better than I looked at 3 months on HRT, and you are also starting your transition many years before me. I am sure with more time and hard work, you too will be very passable. But you are not there yet.
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This is what I am not understanding. How, with these pictures, does she not pass? She has a body almost exactly like the cis Female Nursing manager at my work, The face like the cis female bank teller at my bank, and the skin like my cis female wife. Her nose is a touch large, but not outside of gender variance, her eyebrows are thick, but then so are those of my cis female therapist. Her legs are a bit difficult for me to see/focus on, but they would be the only part that don't look quite right to me. I would like to know what is making this determination, as it will help her and me as we progress.
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Hey, folks! A little suggestion here.
If you're going to tell someone that they do not pass, please be so kind as to say why a person isn't passing. Brow ridge, upper lip height, masseter muscle bulk, etc.
Just saying "Nope, you don't pass" and walking away, or worse, just repeating the position without backing is the sort of thing I might expect to see from certain factions on FaceBook, but we really do try to be better than that here.
Susan's Place is supposed to be a support site. Be supportive, and provide some guidance to folks on why they don't pass, and perhaps even offer constructive solutions. (I know why I don't pass. All I need is a humongous check and an opening in a surgery schedule... ;) )
Quote from: Michelle_P on July 17, 2017, 07:40:10 PM
Hey, folks! A little suggestion here.
If you're going to tell someone that they do not pass, please be so kind as to say why a person isn't passing. Brow ridge, upper lip height, masseter muscle bulk, etc.
Just saying "Nope, you don't pass" and walking away, or worse, just repeating the position without backing is the sort of thing I might expect to see from certain factions on FaceBook, but we really do try to be better than that here.
Susan's Place is supposed to be a support site. Be supportive, and provide some guidance to folks on why they don't pass, and perhaps even offer constructive solutions. (I know why I don't pass. All I need is a humongous check and an opening in a surgery schedule... ;) )
THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!!!!
It's really such a shame that some of the people are community are just blatantly judgmental without trying to be helpful.
Quote from: echo7 on July 17, 2017, 06:36:22 PM
Almost all of the responses that say "you pass" are from people who <may not> know firsthand what passing really entails.
I am full-time and I pass, as does Ritana. And I agree with her that you do not pass. Quite frankly, it is unrealistic to expect to be passable after less than 3 months on HRT. Men and women are sexually dimorphic, and 3 months of estrogen will not negate years of testosterone influence.
You are definitely pretty though, and you have a very good starting point. Much, much better than I looked at 3 months on HRT, and you are also starting your transition many years before me. I am sure with more time and hard work, you too will be very passable. But you are not there yet.
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Ahem. I live and look great as a female.
<removed>She has that fit and heathy, a look I liked when as a playboy, and also now as a female tg. Its a body shape choice.
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Quote from: transguymac on July 17, 2017, 07:45:27 PM
It's really such a shame that some of the people are community are just blatantly judgmental without trying to be helpful.
Not being judgmental, just being honest, which is what the original poster requested.
<edited quote removed>I just wanted to give some perspective on my point of view as a passing trans woman. I am not here to play games, I'm here to give my honest opinion and advice. Telling people that they pass, when they actually do not pass, is actually unhelpful and potentially sets them up for disaster in the real world.
But ok, since you are all attacking me for being so "unhelpful" and "unsupportive", when IMO it is you all who are doing so by falsely giving hope to someone who is not actually passable, here is my honest, detailed opinion on why she does not pass:
The main thing I notice is that the hair looks fake. It is better to go with a pixie cut than to wear a wig. For older trans people who may have no choice but to wear a wig, it is worth spending multiple hundreds of dollars to buy one that looks real. The worst thing you can do is to buy a cheap wig.
In the full-body shot where she is holding the blue vodka bottle, you can see that her shoulders are too broad in relation to her legs. Her legs are way too skinny for her frame. That also is a pretty big giveaway. In the final picture, where she is sitting between 2 cis women, you can see just how skinny her thighs are and how much it makes her stand out. More time on HRT will cause more fat to be deposited in her thighs and she'll be closer to having a feminine silhouette. So it's just a matter of time. Again, 3 months on HRT is not enough to be passable. The changes happen slowly and takes a lot of time; it's not magic and it doesn't happen in a few months. In the meantime, wearing A-Line skirts and empire waist dresses would be more beneficial rather than super-short bodycon dresses which work against her body type.
I am going to avoid nitpicking on facial features because that is a sensitive topic on a public forum. If the OP would like my opinion on facial features, she can message me privately.
Moderator edit to correct a quote that was edited. Thanks for shifting to a more helpful tone here.
Hi Echo7. Spot on (I am not sure this is a wig, but I'll take your word on it). Shoulders look bigger than butt, knees look too sharp for a female. Also agree with your assessment on a skirt covering those knees and that HRT will take care of other issues in time. Still, your assessment shows what a very observant person will see vs a casual untrained one in the sense of 'yeah, pass' crowd. And pretty is better than passable imo :)
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I hate having to edit my opinion.
Littlewitchgirl live your life as you want. There will be those who pick the nicks.
Sorry, it was late when I typed my comment, and I didn't provide any explanation. I agree that any feedback should ideally be constructive and helpful. Having said that, I note that some people don't seem.to think there should be a requirement to provide an explanation/ reasons behind a positive feedback. Saying "you pass" isn't necessarily helpful either.
First, I find the OP very smart and pretty in her pictures. However, based on the same pictures, I don't find her passable for the following reasons:
Forehead: slightly too big for a woman, may need work.
prominent brow ridge: very indicative of a male feature. I have met very few women with prominent brow ridge. However, the rest of their other feminine facial features usually compensate well for this and avoid them having a trans look.
Thick masculine eyebrows: Same reasoning as brow ridge.
Shoulders: too large for a woman and not proportionate to hips.
Like others said hrt may bring some improvements; however, the ultimate test of passability remains public reaction (not that I personaly think you need public validation). Pictures can only show so much.
Going full time can be a very scary experience. Be strong, positive and confident hun. This helps a lot!
Best of luck!
Ritana
Girl,
You are ten times prettier than I am. I wish I had 1/10 of your beauty! You have a slim feminine body and your face, although having some minor masculine angles, looks completely feminine to me.
Let's remember that a lot of cis women out there have masculine features on their faces and they are not read as males because of that. I have a friend that have a very squared jaw... and she is also gorgeous and no one would read her as nothing else than a woman.
What I really can't understand is people here judging you about MINOR masculine features... of course we all have some masculine features, but yours, overall, seems to be underwhelmed by your beauty and feminine features.
Before someone starts bashing me saying that I couldn't know about passability... I live full time since 2014 and I live stealth. On those 3 years I was NEVER spotted and all my cis friends treat me as just another cis girl. The other day they were even asking me about my menstrual cycle!
So, I know a bit about passability!
And I must say that passability is not just about your looks... height, presentation, voice and mannerisms are also VERY important. If you have a feminine voice and feminine mannerisms, I am quite sure you should pass. Some minor masculine features won't stop you from passing if your voice and manerisms are in conformation with your gender.
But the only way to really know is to live full time. Judging by your look, I am quite sure you must already be living full time. Your experience will tell you if you pass. If you can live stealth... well, you pass.
Perhaps we, transgender individuals, are more prone to spot other trans people among the crowd... we are expert at detecting masculine features on others because we are always trying to hide ours... that's why some people here are saying you don't pass, because they are so focused on masculine features that they became blind on the rest... when they look at you the only thing they can see are masculine features.
And sometimes... I don't know why... it seems that some of us feels the need to feel superior to others by bashing extremely beauty and passable girls... perhaps this way they can feel superior and good with themselves...
Quote from: echo7 on July 17, 2017, 09:50:41 PM
But ok, since you are all attacking me for being so "unhelpful" and "unsupportive", when IMO it is you all who are doing so by falsely giving hope to someone who is not actually passable, here is my honest, detailed opinion on why she does not pass:
The main thing I notice is that the hair looks fake. It is better to go with a pixie cut than to wear a wig. For older trans people who may have no choice but to wear a wig, it is worth spending multiple hundreds of dollars to buy one that looks real. The worst thing you can do is to buy a cheap wig.
In the full-body shot where she is holding the blue vodka bottle, you can see that her shoulders are too broad in relation to her legs. Her legs are way too skinny for her frame. That also is a pretty big giveaway. In the final picture, where she is sitting between 2 cis women, you can see just how skinny her thighs are and how much it makes her stand out. More time on HRT will cause more fat to be deposited in her thighs and she'll be closer to having a feminine silhouette. So it's just a matter of time. Again, 3 months on HRT is not enough to be passable. The changes happen slowly and takes a lot of time; it's not magic and it doesn't happen in a few months. In the meantime, wearing A-Line skirts and empire waist dresses would be more beneficial rather than super-short bodycon dresses which work against her body type.
I am going to avoid nitpicking on facial features because that is a sensitive topic on a public forum. If the OP would like my opinion on facial features, she can message me privately.
Quote from: Ritana on July 18, 2017, 04:57:53 AM
Sorry, it was late when I typed my comment, and I didn't provide any explanation. I agree that any feedback should ideally be constructive and helpful. Having said that, I note that some people don't seem.to think there should be a requirement to provide an explanation/ reasons behind a positive feedback. Saying "you pass" isn't necessarily helpful either.
First, I find the OP very smart and pretty in her pictures. However, based on the same pictures, I don't find her passable for the following reasons:
Forehead: slightly too big for a woman, may need work.
prominent brow ridge: very indicative of a male feature. I have met very few women with prominent brow ridge. However, the rest of their other feminine facial features usually compensate well for this and avoid them having a trans look.
Thick masculine eyebrows: Same reasoning as brow ridge.
Shoulders: too large for a woman and not proportionate to hips.
Like others said hrt may bring some improvements; however, the ultimate test of passability remains public reaction (not that I personaly think you need public validation). Pictures can only show so much.
Going full time can be a very scary experience. Be strong, positive and confident hun. This helps a lot!
Best of luck!
Ritana
Thank you for explaining it. I'm sorry if you felt I was attacking you, Echo, sometimes I mince words to not be exactly what I want. I was just curious how you lades could tell with just these pictures.
The broad shoulders and no hips is a problem that I have as well. Hopefully weight change will fix that for me. However, that didn't stop me from passing my first time in public. I was not, however, the focus of their attention which was more on the Boulder Fest(I think that was the name) in Boulder CO a couple months ago. I think if she were out and about, no one would really notice as they went on about their lives.
The thick eye brows is something my Therapist has so I would have never seen that as a barrier to passing.
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the topic seems to be taking a turn for the better. Cooling off and becoming constructive in criticism. This is good and I will unlock this. However, two things will happen first. I am going to edit out some parts of posts that seem inflammatory; I am grabbing my bullhorn and climbing on a soapbox(not again, yup, again)...
At the risk of sounding like a parent I am a little disappointed in how this thread progressed after at least two minor attempts to cool it off and steer it correctly. As Michelle mentioned, this is a site for support. Sometimes that does require tough love. Criticism should be constructive and helpful in nature.
I will remind you all of some of the site's Terms of Service. If you are not sure, stop posting, open a tab with them and read them again. Here is some text lifted directly from them:
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I have put text in bold to identify what I think has been violated in this topic to this point.
I am sure the topic will continue in the direction it is currently headed. Calm, clear, concise.
Thank you
(I have never felt like an older nun with a ruler before but I guess there is a first time for everything.)
Sincerely,
Jacqueline
I've never had my knuckles just start stinging out of the blue before, that's damn strange. OWWW! Now there's shooting pain in them! >:-) :laugh:
Hugs, Devlyn
I am a little out of breath but calming down and climbing off my soap box again(everyone sighs relief).
I did not pull everything that could be an insult. I did pull some that might not be a true insult. I too am only human. However, I think if we all proceed in the way the topic has veered, we will all be fine.
Thanks again for bringing us back to calm and positive.
Let's just remember that even being brutally honest, doesn't have to be brutal.
Pulling down the police Tape. Move along, there's nothing to see.
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Thanks,
Jacqui
Quote from: elkie-t on July 17, 2017, 11:32:51 PM
Still, your assessment shows what a very observant person will see vs a casual untrained one in the sense of 'yeah, pass' crowd.
That makes me think, would a cis person really be this observant? I honestly think some of the girls can be extremely detail oriented due to their own experience...But it doesn't mean that everyone will be as sharp to "clock" her. I genuinely think she looks super passable and wasn't saying it just to make her feel better, nor do I think all women in the world have thick thighs and round knees lol. She'll be fine.
The bottle of Skyy Vodka. The curve below the neck doesn't precisely match other brands of vodka I have seen in music videos and ads in Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition.
Based on some things I have read in this thread the Mona Lisa is not passable.
Heck yeah you are passable! We all are, if we choose to define it our way. Passing starts from within.
OH MY GOD! You are gorgeous! I am actually jealous, tbh. Never feel you need to doubt yourself, girl
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First and foremost I have to point out that you actually look REALLY GOOD in a purely aesthetic sense. You have this modelesque look that some ciswomen have and many many ciswomen would kill for (and trust me, I'm not humoring you).
Second, your makeup skills look pretty nice and seems like you have quite a sense of fashion; so definitely you're doing right in these departments.
But if you ask me, with respect to passing, I would say that you're almost there, really close. I have to note that 3 months HRT is way too little time to see significant changes. I think that (and I'm being quite realistic) after 1 year (maybe more, maybe less) you wouldn't have much problem passing (appearance wise).
What I think that may give you away? Not that much your brow ridge (forehead) but a slight lack of softness in your face features overall (and this may be fixed giving more time to HRT to work). Your forehead height (overall size) looks fine, your nose looks fine, your jaw looks fine (maybe on the wide side, but still balanced).
Tips? Maybe your cheeks look a little hollow/flat. You could benefit from added fullness (hialuronic acid injections, cheek implants and more time on hormones): this would give wideness to your middle face, roundness overall, and help balance. Also dermal fillers in other face areas may give softeness.
Keep in mind you're really thin, so you should expect to be on the more chiseled side of beauty/style. I'm not advicing you to gain weight, though a few lbs may help too (or may not). Also having a nice voice may be a deal closer in your case.
In conclusion, be patient. You're just starting HRT, so it's so soon to make proper judgements :P If you want to go full-time I think it wouldn't a crazy idea, you look rather fine and you always can wear androgynous-style outfits.
I wouldn't have been able to tell you're trans from the photos had you no said it. You totally pass, and you look beautiful. Go for it!
Are You kidding ?
3 MONTHS of hrt and you look like that ? :/
Have you had work done ?
I would have never guessed if you hadn't told. :|
In my opinion you are 100% passable and very pretty. Your eyebrows look great to me and your makeup is on point. As for your wig it looks great. I cut hair and I can clock a wig a mile away but I wouldn't have clocked yours. As for your shoulder hip measurements or whatever it's supposed to be, your body looks totally female to me. I really like doubt anyone is going to whip out a tape measure and compare your hips to your shoulders. You look great. You will only look better the longer you are on hrt.
I read all the posts on this thread. If you are going to post pictures here and ask for honest opinions expect more criticism than you would get from cis people. As transwomen we totally obsess over all the ways we can get outed. Because of that we try to spot any little thing that could potentially get us clocked. Cis people don't usually look that hard. I had someone here tell me I'm not passable. Ok, that's her opinion. I pass 99% of the time. So I'm not going to worry about it. Really the only people who can tell you for sure if you pass are the people you interact with in daily life.
Julia
i think u r very pretty. I agree that at times, u may get clocked, but not all the time. Hormones may make u stealth. You r very close to 100% woman. So, what was your number? :)
100% passable and looking very lovely too.