So I understand that it is my parents choice and I live under their roof so of course, obey by the rules. If you've seen my most recent post I've talked about how I hide wanting to be a boy, very well and went back into not coming out.(I came out before) So, I tell everyone that I don't feel it anymore and it's fine. Reality, its not really fine. Anyways, back onto the topic, July 27th, I am going to be forced to go on birth control for the 2 following reasons my dad and step mom listed "1. Irregular Periods 2. Cause I hangout with boys" I don't have a real love relationship with a male, it's just that I bond with them better than females and they HATE that. I don't do any risky behaviors, but still I see their view to protect their daughter from pregnancy. I love having irregular periods only cause it helps the dysphoria and mine are painful. Though, I'm very nervous about getting on birth control for the reasons of getting more feminine. I don't want a bigger breast size or anything that could make me more feminine due to the estrogen in it. I also fear of my growth sorta, I have very very bad height insecurities, even though I'm like 5'5" or so and still growing. I'm scared since there will be more than likely estrogen in the pill I'm probably getting and I think progestin can cause the chance of stunting growth if used long periods of time? I'm unsure, but that's mostly what I'm fearing. I do not want to be on birth control and I did tell my step mom and dad and they just said they are still doing it and nothing like that would happen. Of course, my step mom says she is always "right", but you never know how the pill will react to people. Everything affects people differently. Whats your thoughts though? Do you think it will make me more feminine and maybe stunt my growth? Do you think its stupid having to be put on this? I understand, irregular periods are bad, but I don't really care much. So please, tell me your honest opinion.
Thanks, Have a great day! :)
You can get birth control IUD. It might be a good thing, as it won't mess with your hormones and you can just forget about it
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Not sure about all contraceptive pills, but at least some of them have health risks. It's why transwomen are not supposed to use them (there are safer alternatives). I'd argue against taking them without a better reason.
Explain to your parents that as they are so kind to allow you to have birth control, you are not ready for a sexual encounter. Tell them should you become interested, you will tell them and let them know that you are ready for birth control pills. If that fails, you should discuss this with your doctor as birth control pills are best avoided on a young still developing body when there is no desire for sex. A secondary option is because of the problems associated with estrogen based pills, many of the newer pills are very low or no estrogen depending on progesterone which shouldn't cause the problems that estrogen does.
If you don't want further feminization including possible estrogen dominance symptoms, then yea it's a bad idea.
IUD or shots are better option than oral contraceptives in that respect. A lot of doctors won't even mention the side effects of long term use of the pill. Probably because they don't even know what it can do to the body behind the scenes apart from the obvious reasons for taking it.
Quote from: Viktor on July 23, 2017, 09:07:46 PM
If you don't want further feminization including possible estrogen dominance symptoms, then yea it's a bad idea.
IUD or shots are better option than oral contraceptives in that respect. A lot of doctors won't even mention the side effects of long term use of the pill. Probably because they don't even know what it can do to the body behind the scenes apart from the obvious reasons for taking it.
I was looking for some information that I could add to the post above and I ran across The Birth of the Pill (http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/10/07/354103536/the-great-bluff-that-lead-to-a-magical-pill-and-a-sexual-revolution). I hadn't heard that story before and it raises the question of just how much testing has been done on some of the drugs.
Quote from: Dena on July 23, 2017, 08:48:58 PM
Explain to your parents that as they are so kind to allow you to have birth control, you are not ready for a sexual encounter. Tell them should you become interested, you will tell them and let them know that you are ready for birth control pills. If that fails, you should discuss this with your doctor as birth control pills are best avoided on a young still developing body when there is no desire for sex. A secondary option is because of the problems associated with estrogen based pills, many of the newer pills are very low or no estrogen depending on progesterone which shouldn't cause the problems that estrogen does.
I doubt it's going to work, cause my dad and step mom kept saying "no it's for your protection and irregular periods can cause you cancer" and I told them that I don't want to do any of that stuff and I don't mind my irregular periods. They just do not listen. I know I'm just a silly teen sounding like I'm trying to take control over my parents,but I'm just saying what I want for me. It truly sucks.
How about if you tell them that since you'll be on birth control you've decided to have sex with lots and lots of boys, for some reason or other that makes sense to them.
Going on birth control pills, I would have thought, should be a decision between you and your doctor. Your parents can't force you to take any medications, surely not. I don't know how old you are but if you are having periods you would be at least 12? Not exactly a child anymore.
I think this forced medication is an infringement of your human rights.
I think parents care about him and don't want unexpected surprises (such as pregnancies). Even if you say you don't have sex, there's always some possibility of a rape. I would say, IUD should take care of those concerns and is better than having to take pills regularly.
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Quote from: AnonyMs on July 23, 2017, 10:32:28 PM
How about if you tell them that since you'll be on birth control you've decided to have sex with lots and lots of boys, for some reason or other that makes sense to them.
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If that doesn't scare them, nothing will!
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Quote from: Ryuichi13 on July 24, 2017, 09:05:04 AM
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If that doesn't scare them, nothing will!
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As much as I love a good confrontation, I don't think OP is in a position to have it. He should watch 'Boys don't cry' and try to reason with the parents on a less invasive form of birth control than pills
And here I'm thinking where in the world could it be legal to force another person on birth control pills. If you are old enough to have sex, surely you are old enough to decide whether you should be on the pill or something else? ??? Any chance you could explain your situation to your doctor?
Quote from: elkie-t on July 24, 2017, 07:47:18 AM
Even if you say you don't have sex, there's always some possibility of a rape.
Oh yeah, that's why I always carry around condoms when I go out.
No, really, I'm sorry to disagree with you again ;D but dude. You suggesting that young women should be on birth control because someone might rape them? Now I don't know where you live, but in most civilized societies I think rape victims should have access to health care (& legal assistance and whatever help is needed on top of that) and should be given a right to abortion, if it comes to that. Moreover, they have all the right to expect that they won't be raped in the first place.
Yeah there might be places where this is not in fact how it'll go, but still, to me the idea that women should assume responsibility of the consequences even before the incident is somehow very wrong. And it's not like hormonal birth control methods come without risks, either...
Quote from: N A on July 24, 2017, 10:33:24 AM
And here I'm thinking where in the world could it be legal to force another person on birth control pills. If you are old enough to have sex, surely you are old enough to decide whether you should be on the pill or something else? ??? Any chance you could explain your situation to your doctor?
Oh yeah, that's why I always carry around condoms when I go out.
No, really, I'm sorry to disagree with you again ;D but dude. You suggesting that young women should be on birth control because someone might rape them? Now I don't know where you live, but in most civilized societies I think rape victims should have access to health care (& legal assistance and whatever help is needed on top of that) and should be given a right to abortion, if it comes to that. Moreover, they have all the right to expect that they won't be raped in the first place.
Yeah there might be places where this is not in fact how it'll go, but still, to me the idea that women should assume responsibility of the consequences even before the incident is somehow very wrong. And it's not like hormonal birth control methods come without risks, either...
Well, my parents just never listen to me and think I'm just being stubborn and I'm in about sorta early teens not very early, I could tell you my age if you'd like. I just don't think it's right. I'd rather just save it until I find someone who accepts me for who I am and is a long lasting relationship. I do not want to lose mine at this age which in my opinion seems a bit wrong. That's my opinion. Quick question, Are irregular periods bad to have? Cause that is the biggest reason why they are putting me on it cause they say its cancerous and it's not good to not have a period every month.
Thanks
Quote from: PeterSteele on July 24, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
Well, my parents just never listen to me and think I'm just being stubborn and I'm in about sorta early teens not very early, I could tell you my age if you'd like. I just don't think it's right. I'd rather just save it until I find someone who accepts me for who I am and is a long lasting relationship. I do not want to lose mine at this age which in my opinion seems a bit wrong. That's my opinion. Quick question, Are irregular periods bad to have? Cause that is the biggest reason why they are putting me on it cause they say its cancerous and it's not good to not have a period every month.
Thanks
This is DEFINITELY something you should talk to your doctor about!
I don't know how old you are, but sometimes having irregular periods simply means your hormones haven't balanced out yet.
Again, check with your doctor.
Good luck.
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Quote from: Ryuichi13 on July 24, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
This is DEFINITELY something you should talk to your doctor about!
I don't know how old you are, but sometimes having irregular periods simply means your hormones haven't balanced out yet.
Again, check with your doctor.
Good luck.
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If my hormones are imbalanced then does that mean when i get them balanced I will get more feminine? Cause I think I have more of testosterone than estrogen. Sorry I get a bit nervous about this cause I don't want to be more feminine and I want to keep growing cause usually estrogen makes the bones seal and stop growing if too much of it. So, that's why.
Sorry, I know your not a doctor and can't like tell me whats going to happen cause everything is different, but I'd like to know what you think.
Thanks, :)
You know, you don't actually have to take the pills right? Just dispose of one everyday.
About Irregular Periods,
They're mostly just inconvenient. There isn't a real health risk to them.
But Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) (http://www.webmd.com/women/ss/slideshow-pcos-overview) maybe a cause of them. Something to look into.
Quote from: N A on July 24, 2017, 10:33:24 AM
No, really, I'm sorry to disagree with you again ;D but dude. You suggesting that young women should be on birth control because someone might rape them?
Don't put words into my mouth, dude. I am saying that it's a smart thing to do unless you want to have a baby. Regardless whether it is voluntary sex or a some form of rape. And I don't put any blame on a rape victim.
Obviously OP isn't in a position to confront his parents on the issue, so I recommend to find a form of contraception that is less invasive for him
Quote from: PeterSteele on July 24, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
Well, my parents just never listen to me and think I'm just being stubborn and I'm in about sorta early teens not very early, I could tell you my age if you'd like. I just don't think it's right. I'd rather just save it until I find someone who accepts me for who I am and is a long lasting relationship. I do not want to lose mine at this age which in my opinion seems a bit wrong. That's my opinion. Quick question, Are irregular periods bad to have? Cause that is the biggest reason why they are putting me on it cause they say its cancerous and it's not good to not have a period every month.
Thanks
I think that's very mature way to think it :)
About irregular periods... funny you should ask. I have never had normal ones (and I'm about 30), maybe every six weeks or so but I never write these times down so I'm not sure. I probably should. Also my periods are barely noticeable and not painful, and I'm guessing I have too little estrogen in my system. I'm also pretty slim now, but I could weight 14 pounds more and still it would be the same, so it's not because of that. I have no idea if this increases the risk of cancer, I think your doctor can better answer that - but I think it's fairly normal to have irregular period when still young, in your teens or maybe even early twenties? However, I'd suggest talking to your doctor. In my understanding too low estrogen (if that indeed is what causes irregular period) can affect your fertility, cause hair loss, depression, tiredness, fragile bones etc. Besides, if you have pains then your doctor can help you with that, too.
I'm very bad at being a role model and haven't really sorted this out with my doctor, but that's not something I will recommend to anyone. Even less so if you experience a lot of pain; in my understanding that + high testosterone levels can be indicative of PCOS and that would have to be properly treated, or else there's a chance it spreads and causes even more pain and damage.
Quote from: KarynMcD on July 24, 2017, 11:05:56 AM
You know, you don't actually have to take the pills right? Just dispose of one everyday.
About Irregular Periods,
They're mostly just inconvenient. There isn't a real health risk to them.
But Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) (http://www.webmd.com/women/ss/slideshow-pcos-overview) maybe a cause of them. Something to look into.
Oh my god your awesome. I'll try to take that into consideration.
Thank you so much, <3
Quote from: N A on July 24, 2017, 11:09:59 AM
I think that's very mature way to think it :)
About irregular periods... funny you should ask. I have never had normal ones (and I'm about 30), maybe every six weeks or so but I never write these times down so I'm not sure. I probably should. Also my periods are barely noticeable and not painful, and I'm guessing I have too little estrogen in my system. I'm also pretty slim now, but I could weight 14 pounds more and still it would be the same, so it's not because of that. I have no idea if this increases the risk of cancer, I think your doctor can better answer that - but I think it's fairly normal to have irregular period when still young, in your teens or maybe even early twenties? However, I'd suggest talking to your doctor. In my understanding too low estrogen (if that indeed is what causes irregular period) can affect your fertility, cause hair loss, depression, tiredness, fragile bones etc. Besides, if you have pains then your doctor can help you with that, too.
I'm very bad at being a role model and haven't really sorted this out with my doctor, but that's not something I will recommend to anyone. Even less so if you experience a lot of pain; in my understanding that + high testosterone levels can be indicative of PCOS and that would have to be properly treated, or else there's a chance it spreads and causes even more pain and damage.
Thank you for telling me, I have a more better understanding of this now.
Thank you so much <3
Quote from: elkie-t on July 24, 2017, 11:06:07 AM
Don't put words into my mouth, dude. I am saying that it's a smart thing to do unless you want to have a baby. Regardless whether it is voluntary sex or a some form of rape. And I don't put any blame on a rape victim.
Obviously OP isn't in a position to confront his parents on the issue, so I recommend to find a form of contraception that is less invasive for him
Fair enough. Didn't mean to, but to me it did sound kinda... brutal. Besides, I too love some good confrontation ;)
I suppose if you live in some place without universal health care and proper insurance that point might make some sense, even to me... or maybe if you're against abortion but not birth control... Idk. I could not imagine using any hormonal birth control method, or have that copper anchor thingy inserted into me for that matter, but to each their own.
Quote from: N A on July 24, 2017, 11:23:17 AM
Fair enough. Didn't mean to, but to me it did sound kinda... brutal. Besides, I too love some good confrontation ;)
I suppose if you live in some place without universal health care and proper insurance that point might make some sense, even to me... or maybe if you're against abortion but not birth control... Idk. I could not imagine using any hormonal birth control method, or have that copper anchor thingy inserted into me for that matter, but to each their own.
What do you have against that copper anchor thingy? It's not more intrusive than a regular OB/gyn exam, is a one time deal done by a professional, is not hormonal and you don't feel it inside in any way and basically can just forget about it.
Although, different people have different perceptions and priorities, I understand it. Just wanted to offer some helpful suggestion for a person in a difficult situation tbh, that's all
Quote from: elkie-t on July 24, 2017, 11:39:12 AM
What do you have against that copper anchor thingy? It's not more intrusive than a regular OB/gyn exam, is a one time deal done by a professional, is not hormonal and you don't feel it inside in any way and basically can just forget about it.
Although, different people have different perceptions and priorities, I understand it. Just wanted to offer some helpful suggestion for a person in a difficult situation tbh, that's all
Nothing really, except that I don't want to have it in me, peri... I mean full stop. I also hate gyn exams with passion and have mainly managed to avoid those (and yes I will probably pay for that later). OB is no use to me, check my post above.
It's a good birth control method for some, no doubt about it; but I'll rather have myself sterilized if I ever feel like having sex again. Just a preference.
You should read about PCOS. It can cause irregular and painful periods.
You should also read research about birth control pills. I know here in Sweden you can't take the hormone pills if someone in your family history has had heart problems or clots in the blood stream causing heart attacks or stroke or something else. The risk of blood clotting is much higher with hormone pills.
Show that research to your parents.
Quote from: N A on July 24, 2017, 11:51:30 AM
It's a good birth control method for some, no doubt about it; but I'll rather have myself sterilized if I ever feel like having sex again. Just a preference.
I've done a hysterectomy. I have no regrets at all. No periods no gyn appointments required.
Quote from: MeTonie on July 24, 2017, 02:04:43 PM
I know here in Sweden you can't take the hormone pills if someone in your family history has had heart problems or clots in the blood stream causing heart attacks or stroke or something else. The risk of blood clotting is much higher with hormone pills.
That's a good point too. I believe certain types of migraine are also counter-indicative of birth control pills containing estrogen, as there's increased risk of a stroke.
Quote from: MeTonie on July 24, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
I've done a hysterectomy. I have no regrets at all. No periods no gyn appointments required.
That does sound tempting, but isn't it a risky operation. I doubt I could have it done just in order to not get pregnant. Besides, I thought after hysto you would have to be on hormones, either T or E. Is that correct or did I just make that up? If you don't mind enlightening me!
They probably think estrogen will cure you.
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Quote from: N A on July 24, 2017, 02:59:49 PM
That does sound tempting, but isn't it a risky operation. I doubt I could have it done just in order to not get pregnant. Besides, I thought after hysto you would have to be on hormones, either T or E. Is that correct or did I just make that up? If you don't mind enlightening me!
I still have my ovaries. No hormone pills. Testosterone is produced in adrenals and ovaries in those born in women bodies. But in much less amount compared to those born in mens bodies. If they would have removed my ovaries I would have had to eat estrogen and not get the missing testosterone. I belive I have more T in my system than most born women, I am androgynus and often have been gendered male. Even before my binder and short hair.
Btw. The surgery was done through the baby-hole. No visible scars. It was over in 30 minutes and I was put to sleep during that time. Moderate pain after surgery. I was up watching tv 3 hours later. Got to go home the next day.
Quote from: Gertrude on July 24, 2017, 03:15:14 PM
They probably think estrogen will cure you.
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EXACTLY
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Quote from: Gertrude on July 24, 2017, 03:15:14 PM
They probably think estrogen will cure you.
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EXACTLY
Then tell them they put little or no estrogen in modern pill so it isn't going to happen. They reduced the amount of estrogen in birth control pills to reduce the risk of cancer in women using them. Also tell your doctor this is the real reason your parents want you on the pill. This isn't a good reason for taking the pill and your doctor should know it.
Also tell them to get ready for bad grades and behavior issues because if they do manage to give you estrogen, it will only make things worst. Many members tell stories about attempted cures like that and it turns into a disaster.
I don't think that 'bad grades and lots of unprotected sex' would actually scare parents. Parents know that those are empty threats and they could do many more restrictions to make teenager life more difficult. I'd stay away from threats to harm yourself or your future or act irresponsibly. Acting mature has its own merits
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Quote from: MeTonie on July 24, 2017, 04:18:57 PM
I still have my ovaries. No hormone pills. Testosterone is produced in adrenals and ovaries in those born in women bodies. But in much less amount compared to those born in mens bodies. If they would have removed my ovaries I would have had to eat estrogen and not get the missing testosterone. I belive I have more T in my system than most born women, I am androgynus and often have been gendered male. Even before my binder and short hair.
Thankies! I think I had mixed things up somehow in my head, if it really is that easy that's great. I could see myself opting in this sort of operation.
I suspect I might have too much T also, at least compared to E. Needless to say, I wouldn't want to change that.