Hey all.
Hope everyone is doing well.
Ok I have been wondering lately about my face. How passable is it, my profile bothers me most.
From the front I think I'm fairly passable.
I think my forehead protrudes a little to much and my nose a little flat almost Roman. (It is slightly bent to the right and this creates the illusion of a jump from certain angles)
What do ya'll think?
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I'm considering Yeson eventually and that should also take care of the apple :@
Thanks for any help, Rachel 💕
You got great hair, girl.
Seriously, don't worry about passing. Be yourself...a beautiful transwoman.
You are very passable. If you want it perfect, you have slight bossing, high hairline, maybe a tad of jawline work. But if I were you, I'd not worry about it. You are within female norms.
I don't see anything masculine in any of your pictures. I wouldn't think anyone would think you're trans. Actually you remind me of Lucy Lawless. If FFS is something that will make you feel more comfortable then go for it. But it's not something you need to pass. I watched a YouTube video of FFS . OMG it's totally BRUTAL. I can't imagine anyone having it unless they REALLY needed it to pass.
Julia
Stop making me jelious. You are as feminine as it gets. Too feminine even, gimme some ;) :)
I wish my forehead only protruded that far.... Mine sticks out quite far, shadowing my eyes, making them look very sunken.
Quote from: Julia1996 on August 25, 2017, 12:45:30 PM
I watched a YouTube video of FFS . OMG it's totally BRUTAL. I can't imagine anyone having it unless they REALLY needed it to pass.
Julia
Thanks Julia, I know you are right, these surgeries are brutal. They make want to faint looking at them.
I would be a reck before going into any one off the surgerys that go with being trans.
Thank you all.
I have been quiet negative on my looks atm so this has me doubting my look alot.
It's very frustrating.
I have had two weeks of facial hair before and after laser. Tomorrow it come out though so that should pick up my spirits.
Face is such an important part of us, and my face is still my face, I would love to be confident 100% in it, but I'm afraid changing it could entail regret.
Hopefully I just learn to love that damn head lol
You are a lovely lady and you will certainly blend in wonderfully.
You have a beautiful face. Your forehead is fine. Your nose is a little longer than average for a female, but still within the bounds of passability. The only barrier I see to passability is the moustache shadow.
You may want to consider cosmetic surgery on you nose and shaping eyebrows a little (non-surgical! beauty salon kind of treatment). Nice lashes. I didn't see anything that would tell me 'male' in your face
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Quote from: elkie-t on August 25, 2017, 01:44:16 PM
You may want to consider cosmetic surgery on you nose and shaping eyebrows a little (non-surgical! beauty salon kind of treatment). Nice lashes. I didn't see anything that would tell me 'male' in your face
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Thank you, and yeah maybe the nose could get a touch.
And yep the eye brows I cannot touch as I am not out at work, I have another three months to go.
Yeah I'm working on the hair Kathy, it will fall out tomorrow, I had laser a week ago (8th session)
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on August 25, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
Thank you, and yeah maybe the nose could get a touch.
And yep the eye brows I cannot touch as I am not out at work, I have another three months to go.
Yeah I'm working on the hair Kathy, it will fall out tomorrow, I had laser a week ago (8th session)
I'm not saying totally thinning out your brows, just plucking out some stray hairs... I'm presenting myself in male mode and do it whenever I feel like it.
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on August 25, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
Thank you, and yeah maybe the nose could get a touch.
And yep the eye brows I cannot touch as I am not out at work, I have another three months to go.
Yeah I'm working on the hair Kathy, it will fall out tomorrow, I had laser a week ago (8th session)
You're not out at work??? How?? You totally can't pass for a man.
Julia
I wish I was that passable. You look stunning.
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I'm with Julia, how CAN you pass as a man! If your forehead bothers you try layering at the front, it's almost like bangs but not quite. Look at some wig adverts. because that's how they hide the wig cap.
You could totally pass. You may have some features that might not be normal for standart women, but that doesn't mean that cis women don't have them at all, or that they will make people notice you.
Shaping your brows can make magic. Don't worry about your job, nobody will care.
Facial recognition is a gestalt process. While some things have more weight than others, there's still an awful lot of variables. And, don't forget, when it comes to "gender assignment" (how other people instinctively gender you) that process of facial recognition is part of a larger gestalt that includes your voice and your body -- and, just as (if not more) importantly, what you do with them.
In that context, if you've got everything working for you, the only thing you really need to address is your facial hair and the tracheal bump. Because in your favor you have a very short upper lip, great hair, and though you have some forehead protrusion it doesn't really extend over your orbits, which keeps your eyes open rather than deeply hooded. The angle of your mandible (described as the "corner" of the line from your chin and the line from your ear) is fairly oblique, so your jaw isn't particularly square. On the other hand, you do have a glabella (the center of the forehead), nose, and chin that are all larger and longer than average -- features that would be considered "exaggerated" in a cis woman. That they are all features along the center of your face is at least harmonious, though, for a woman with a long face.
Yes, you could benefit from facial work -- forehead, rhinoplasty, chin reduction and tapering, possibly a scalp advancement -- but you wouldn't ever need this to pass if you, like, had a great voice or an utterly charming personality. On the other hand, with just a decent voice and the facial work, you'd be unclockable. Unclockable means that if you made a social faux pas, for example, and people looked at you again with a measure of scrutiny, they still wouldn't find anything amiss.
Which is a really nice place to be.
Quote from: KathyLauren on August 25, 2017, 01:32:17 PM
You have a beautiful face. Your forehead is fine. Your nose is a little longer than average for a female, but still within the bounds of passability. The only barrier I see to passability is the moustache shadow.
I agree. Need to get rid of that pesky facial hair. Otherwise, I would not change anything.
You are beautiful Rachel. No, you are not passable as a man. See what I did there? Seriously, you look fantastic.
Lol Julia and Dani,. Passing as a man is easy, put on rough work clothes and boots, tie your hair in a top knot, talk rough, and Strut haha.
Thank you all for the input, I must bide my time for the eyebrows, which is highly annoying.
Same as the facial hair it should be gone soon enough I hope. It's been frustrating watching all the hairs fall out after each session, and then somehow come back :@
Thanks Sophia too, that's the thing with my weird head, if I do the nose or any other part I think I have to do it all.
I also don't know how much I trust the camera, it's a good enough phone (Huawei Mate 9 pro) but sometimes it seems to skew things, I dunno maybe I have just gone gaga with all this.
Thank you all for the input, actually just talking about it made me feel better. You know just interacting.
I'm gonna go get rid of what is left of my facial hair now :3
I can only hope to be as beautiful as you one day. You're gorgeous.
Your nose is suitably feminine, don't worry. If anything it helps tie together your other strong features and makes them less noticeable independently.
I like your nose, no need for any change on it. Facial hair is the killer. I hate hate hate it, and resigning myself to electrolysis;(
Rachel, your face is fine and lovely. As others have mentioned a little trim to eyebrows and getting the facial hair removed are the best bets. Anything more would be excessive risk for very small reward.
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I think you look great and easily pass as a woman. I think we, me any ways, as MTF transgender see 'man' showing in our selfies, because we know there's a 'man' under there. A friend yesterday shared a photo on Facebook of girlfriends, birth girls that is, out having lunch together. I've started really observing how women look. I swear, I saw 'man' in each of their faces. If you'd told me they were transgender, I'd have said "you need some work, honey!" ;) I thought, wow, I've seen a lot of transgender MTF that look more feminine than those gals. Start watching and you'll see what I mean. Enjoy!
If anybody ever says anything about a 5o'clock shadow just whisper 'don't ever shave your peach fuzz' My SIL has a thicker beard than mine ever has been! Sometimes she doesn't shave it ether. And we went shopping that way today! Sometimes we worry too much!
I actually hasn't noticed the shadow at first, it looked kind of girly :)
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Alright after all the week of waiting, this was the result after the facial hair came out.
From far away almost unnoticeable,
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And from close it is still noticeable :/
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Actually this looks more like aggravated skin, it's like a darker colour than the rest of my skin and it doesn't look grey. I know there will be more hair, but right now it looka like bad skin :S
Atleast I felt better with the hair off anyway, and felt good enough to play with makeup.
Ah I'm saying that there is no Foundation or any attempt to cover anything on my face
It's a process to get rid of the hair. You look great Rachel and it's definitely far less noticeable.
My happy news is that I can afford to start doing electrolysis next month! Unfortunately I am blonde and laser did nothing (at least I tried).
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Now that the upper lip hair came out you got rid of the one big tell you had. I don't see you having any issues so long as you get voice and mannerisms down.
Knocking back the brow bossing a tad wouldn't hurt, but I do see cis women with similar brow lines now and again. I think your nose looks good. It's different but not in a manly way at all. Of course your hair is the stuff of envy, and I think your jawline balances your forehead nicely. Once you get to the point where you can trim the hedges on your eyebrows you'll be all set.
Haha Colleen, hedges they are, they are the one thing that has followed me all the way through transition. Nothing I can do about them till I'm out.
Another three months and it's the end of the line for them.
Amber it's good news on the electro, I will soon go down that line Myself.
Yes, you are very feminine, very female. If you have the money, send in photos for an evaluation where they can FFS your photos. I have a suspicion that after they do, you would be very hot. Not that you aren't good-looking now, you are! So, anything they do would be very minimal. But, sometimes, that's the difference between hot and very hot. ;)
Rachel girl you know we are always our own worse critics. You pass and pass and pass again!
You have no real manly type features.
Manly features are often things like significant brow bossing, heavy temporal ridges, low eyebrows because of the brow bossing, wide jawbone, widened or flat appearing chin, longer distance in the upper lip to nose.
On the other hand, you have easily female brow bossing with now lowering of the eyebrows, from the angle shots you don't even have a ridge above your outer eye sockets. You have a non acute angled jaw and a still narrow chin. Your upper lip does not look as though it has lengthened, usually a function of male nose length growth. Side note: testosterone makes the nose grow longer, the septum pushes the lip down. Looks like if you just relax your jaw and let your lips open that the upper lip will show a good part of your upper teeth. A very feminine trait. Looks like you have and upward canthus angle on your eyes. Part of the larger male brow ridge will push the outer eye canthus lower. Women often have the outer canthus remain higher than the inner canthus of the eye lids. Depends on on racial backgrounds some though. I think your forehead / hairline start looks great, especially since you've had such great luck filling in those recessed peaks on both side. SO JEALOUS! ;)
I'm with the other girls here, how can you ever even pass for a guy? Especially if you let your hair down.
I wish I had been able to start young enough to get ahead of years of T damage. Good for you!
Thanks Josie, you seem to have a lot of knowledge of the human face and the mechanics of it. I really haven't a clue.
But still worry about it from time to time.
When I look in the mirror most time I feel good about what I see, the phone can often warp the image I think and make me feel bad about myself, I think it's just a fault of tiny lenses.
And yes the hairline filling in is insane, I lucked out on that one. Ther is more blonde hairs infront too. I must update my hair thread actually about that.
And don't worry about when you started hormones. I think at 26 I was abit late too, just was lucky my body stayed fine a rather small, except for my height lol 5'11"
But I like being tall, so it's all god :3
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on August 28, 2017, 05:38:48 AM
Thanks Josie, you seem to have a lot of knowledge of the human face and the mechanics of it.
Lol, chalk it up to too much time internet surfing.
I'm also 5-11. Wish I was still skinny like you though. :)
Someone needs to tell me why there are so many beautiful women on this site that are not confident about how they look. Rachel Christina, you are lovely.
Most beautiful women think they're ugly or just plain at best.
Quote from: Nancys Girl on August 28, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Someone needs to tell me why there are so many beautiful women on this site that are not confident about how they look. Rachel Christina, you are lovely.
I can have them all if I only keep dreaming. ;D
Rachel, you look absolutely incredible. 5'11" is an awesome height, it's exactly what I'd choose (several women I know have that height, and several celebrities too if you google). I'm 6'2" and mentioned my self-consciousness about it to a few women friends today; they told me to quit complaining as they'd kill to be tall. I guess we need more tall girls around to put the men in their place! ;D
Quote from: Nancys Girl on August 28, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Someone needs to tell me why there are so many beautiful women on this site that are not confident about how they look. Rachel Christina, you are lovely.
Lol, I dunno why some of us feel like this. I am in a better place now so I'm feeling much better about how I look.
I grew up in a family where my dad would never tell us anything nice, no "I love you", no "happy birthday" all that crap. I think that ->-bleeped-<- does things to people, of course mom could say nothing to him either.
Quote from: Leila94 on August 28, 2017, 08:23:23 PM
Rachel, you look absolutely incredible. 5'11" is an awesome height, it's exactly what I'd choose (several women I know have that height, and several celebrities too if you google). I'm 6'2" and mentioned my self-consciousness about it to a few women friends today; they told me to quit complaining as they'd kill to be tall. I guess we need more tall girls around to put the men in their place! ;D
Thanks Leila, yeah I do like my height. I just have to stay on top of my weight, which I do. To keep it looking femme, I fear weight gain quiet alot, and in saying that if I go for a run :)
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on August 29, 2017, 01:40:45 AM
Lol, I dunno why some of us feel like this. I am in a better place now so I'm feeling much better about how I look.
I grew up in a family where my dad would never tell us anything nice, no "I love you", no "happy birthday" all that crap. I think that ->-bleeped-<- does things to people, of course mom could say nothing to him either.
Well, I can relate to that. My first birthday party was at work as an adult. I remember when I was about 10 and a neighbor kid had an open/outside birthday party and I really didn't understand what that was all about. I never had a birthday party as a child. And yes, things like that linger and affect us as adults.
Quote from: Sinclair on August 29, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
Well, I can relate to that. My first birthday party was at work as an adult. I remember when I was about 10 and a neighbor kid had an open/outside birthday party and I really didn't understand what that was all about. I never had a birthday party as a child. And yes, things like that linger and affect us as adults.
Is that not the sadest situation to be in?
I know for a fact I would never do that to my kids no way.
I never had a birthday party either. It used to be so hard to even understand what it was lol.
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on August 25, 2017, 12:27:53 PM
Hey all.
Hope everyone is doing well. ... How passable is it, my profile bothers me most. ... What do ya'll think?
This thread bubbled to the top because of new posts so I'm late but saw the pics... have to agree with others... very passable.
You mention your forehead protruding... I sort of see what you mean but for whatever reason it appears feminine to me. It doesn't have a guy bossing effect... not sure why... I'm guessing it's because you don't have a little brow bump around your eyes... it's smooth there... the front shot reveals an ever so slight orbital (your right eye below/near your right temple) but given there's no apparent bossing I missed that until just looking again with a zoomed photo. I mean it seems slight. If you've had no forehead facial boney work done, you have an amazing starting point.
Hi Rachel,
I'm new to all of this, but I thought I would mention that I think you look like a stunning woman. You remind me of Jennifer Connelly in A Beautiful Mind.
Thank you Ashley And Danielle.
I really don't know what I will eventually do with my head, when I'm feeling good I really don't worry about it.
It's just those off days I will pull myself apart.
And yeah Jennifer Connelly, I hear that quiet often,l lol, I can't really see it though
Are kidding me!?? You're seriously questioning your passability as a female? I would kill people for your face. It must be nice. What the F$%&?! Why is everyone more beautiful than me?!
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Quote from: Rachel_Christina on August 30, 2017, 01:00:52 AM
Is that not the sadest situation to be in?
I know for a fact I would never do that to my kids no way.
I never had a birthday party either. It used to be so hard to even understand what it was lol.
Me too sister. It's a challenge as an adult to look back and see the neglect and process it ... understand it's not your fault. I get where you are coming from.
You look lovely, and you're on the right path. Best wishes.
Quote from: TheDarkQueenEmily on August 30, 2017, 11:45:54 AM
Are kidding me!?? You're seriously questioning your passability as a female? I would kill people for your face. It must be nice. What the F$%&?! Why is everyone more beautiful than me?!
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Everyone is different girl.
And you might think that, but we are all thinking the same :')
We never see ourselves as good enough.
Quote from: TheDarkQueenEmily on August 30, 2017, 11:45:54 AM
Are kidding me!?? You're seriously questioning your passability as a female? I would kill people for your face. It must be nice. What the F$%&?! Why is everyone more beautiful than me?!
Nobody is a harsher critic of ourselves than ourselves. I've thought I looked hideous for most of my life (which is also one of my bad excuses for putting off transitioning for so many years), but deep down I know that's not true. I'll never be a fashion model (not that I wanted to be), and that's fine. Media & society in general presents us a false ideal of beauty that all women are supposed to aspire to, but can never achieve. Be happy & confident, and that will shine through. Yes I know - easier said than done (I'm still working on it!), but it's something you can build over time.
Also, a little makeup can make a huge difference. :P
Hey Rachel
Save your worries for stuff in life that actually needs to be worried about sister!!! You are gorgeous!!!! 😀
A 😀❤️🌻
As I said, I agree with everyone here. You are beautiful and I would kill for your looks. You got nothing to be self consious about. Eyes, cheeks, hair are all super feminine!! the lips, flawless and that nose you got there looks nice and cute so cute I would nibble on it!!!...I want to bite *chomp chomp*
Much love sis <3
You don't need anything to pass you already feminine enough
Anything you may do is optional and not necessarily to make you pass
Thanks Girls.
I'm in such to minds about it all.
I wish I could see myself after these opps first. And see have I scaring or sensation problems.
I am close to happy with my face, maybe it is just a case of building confidence and pride in one's self.
I have felt worthless most of my life. And now I'm finally me I'm try pull away the horibble negative images I have of myself
I think most of us have self-esteem problems. But know that you are beautiful. If you had higher self-esteem, you wouldn't care if you weren't. Find a good book on self-esteem. :)