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Community Conversation => Transsexual talk => Male to female transsexual talk (MTF) => Topic started by: Rachel_Christina on September 06, 2017, 01:53:23 PM

Title: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on September 06, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Hey again all :3
I was wondering about the old shaving of the apple
Mines is rather small, and my SRS doctor who also does this says it would not be worth the scar to risk it.
I get that for sure, but it still bugs me.
Like a few days ago I uploaded a pic to Instagram, think it was a nice pic. And only today do I realise that you can see that damn lump. It actually looks like two lumps :S

This is the pic
(https://i.imgur.com/H3iyPwe.jpg)

Now what I'm wondering is, is it possible to have it shaved down withought having a neck scar, is there an alternative point of entry that could never be visible? And who and where could a Dr that does this be found.
I do scar, I have darkish skin and for some reason scars do seem to show up easy.
Any help would always be appreciated.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Natsuki Kuga on September 06, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
Pffft. I'd never look below your beautiful face

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Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Nina on September 06, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
I had the tracheal shave before I began electrolysis. I'm not aware of what risks there are, but I had not read of anyone experiencing a problem. The procedure was 15 minutes...and the scar is not even noticeable. Dr. Brassard not only did my tracheal, but a few years later my GCS.
There were only two things I was dysphoric about early in transition: my height and my Adam's apple. I got over my height with time.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Dena on September 06, 2017, 05:39:56 PM
It is acceptable for CIS women to have a small what appears to be an adams apple. What you see is their larynx which can't be shaved without damaging the voice. The adams apple is a growth on top the larynx which could extend about half an inch or 1.5 cm beyond the larynx. This can be removed without damaging the voice. There is another approach that FFS surgeons use and that to make the scar between the top of the neck and in the back of the jaw. It means lifting more skin but the natural fold could make it much less visible.

It's not clear in your image but it appears that your larynx is what's showing. If this is the case, remove could cause voice issues.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: SailorMars1994 on September 06, 2017, 05:53:42 PM
I wish I could be of help. I was blessed with a fat neck ;)
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Bari Jo on September 06, 2017, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: NJOttawa on September 06, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
The procedure was 15 minutes...and the scar is not even noticeable. Dr. Brassard not only did my tracheal, but a few years later my GCS.
There were only two things I was dysphoric about early in transition: my height and my Adam's apple. I got over my height with time.

The three things that get me is my beard and Adams apple, lastly hair loss on my scalp.  15 min?  Is this an inexpensive procedure?  Maybe I should reward myself for xmas:)
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: I Am Jess on September 06, 2017, 06:15:26 PM
Many doctors, like mine, will go in through an incision under the chin.  I have a small scar that is barely noticeable.     
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Nina on September 06, 2017, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: Bari Jo on September 06, 2017, 06:05:41 PM
The three things that get me is my beard and Adams apple, lastly hair loss on my scalp.  15 min?  Is this an inexpensive procedure?  Maybe I should reward myself for xmas:)

I believe it was around 3k...maybe 4...can't remember. What's sort of neat...I was awake while they did the procedure. I swear...they had made the incision from ear to ear...but couple days later when I took off the bandage...it was like an inch at the max. It was recommended to buy Vitamin E gels...squeeze out the stuff inside and rub on the scar daily. Within six months the scar was all but gone.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on September 06, 2017, 11:32:31 PM
I dunno Dena, I think it is a little bigger than just a larynx.
By the way, it's not to seperated lumps of cartilage is it?
I though an Adams apple was just the outer shell of the larynx that swells due to testosterone influence?
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Dena on September 07, 2017, 01:25:55 AM
The shell of the larynx maintains it's inter shape but the adams apple grows on the outside. Proper surgery removed the excessive growth and returns it to it's original line. If excessive material is removed, it weakens the structure and lowers the voice. This is a surgery where it's better to leave a little than take to much.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Laurie on September 07, 2017, 04:49:04 AM
 Rachel,

   I know this probably won't help but I would love to have an adam's apple as small as yours look. Mine is a lot bigger and therefore one on the bigger things I dislike about my body. Even as a younger boy I hated how much mine sticks out. I would very much like to be rid on mine.
  As far as the picture goes Rachel, you look like a lovely young lady in it. Lovely indeed. I do not usually pay attention to the how do I look threads let alone comment in them. But I have to say I like your picture.

Laurie

Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on September 07, 2017, 05:13:58 AM
Aw thanks Laurie :')
I like the pic too. Until yesterday when I realized there was two lumps in my neck D:

Hate the feeling of it. Almost makes me sick if touch it :S
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: michaeltoppin88 on September 08, 2017, 04:56:16 AM
You are very  beautiful  Rachael  i going  in male to female  change  i want to  be a full girl Rachael  i know  its a lot of work  and it cost  a lot of money  i dont care because i want to be a girl Rachael.

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Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on September 08, 2017, 05:36:44 AM
Thank you Michael. Changes happen slow and steady. You will get there.
Also slef cceptance helps alot. This is something I am trying to get to grips with
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: SailorMars1994 on September 08, 2017, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on September 08, 2017, 05:36:44 AM
Thank you Michael. Changes happen slow and steady. You will get there.
Also slef cceptance helps alot. This is something I am trying to get to grips with

Word! I learned it is one think to dislike being stuck male and spending much of ones time wishing to be female. But if you dont accept it, and own it nothing will do you good. I am on the trail of accepting that girl inside and each day gets better :), ps you look beautiful Rachel!! I always envy your looks and personally dont think that and ''apple'' is going to make or break you, from all the pics I have seen I havent seem anything that truly stands out. In addition, I recall in grade 7 seeing a Cis-girl in my class have a neck that looked like it had a lump or so but she was all female, just like you!

Granted, I never had to battled that insecurity as I was born is a fat neck i guess ;)

Much love,!
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: josie76 on September 08, 2017, 11:34:16 AM
Dang it Rachel, you're so beautiful to begin with. ;)

You can hardly notice it. It definitely is not any bigger than some cis women have.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on September 08, 2017, 11:30:09 PM
Thanks Josie. Jeez I dunno, times it appears to pop out bad like if you are turning your head.
It's quite frustrating. I wish there was a way in ther that would not leave a mark. It would be a rather good frist surgery to try. I'm super nervous of surgery
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Laurie on September 09, 2017, 01:36:47 AM
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on September 08, 2017, 11:30:09 PM
Thanks Josie. Jeez I dunno, times it appears to pop out bad like if you are turning your head.
It's quite frustrating. I wish there was a way in ther that would not leave a mark. It would be a rather good frist surgery to try. I'm super nervous of surgery

now now Rachel. Just take a look at mine on my avatar and then tell me your is too big. Be happy with who you are and the good looks you already have girl.

Hugs,
   Laurie
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on September 09, 2017, 06:00:29 AM
Quote from: Laurie on September 09, 2017, 01:36:47 AM
now now Rachel. Just take a look at mine on my avatar and then tell me your is too big. Be happy with who you are and the good looks you already have girl.

Hugs,
   Laurie

It's funny it doesn't look bad in your photo. I have aunts with necks really quiet the same.
I think on my neck it just stands out a little. Which is annoying because it's just enough that I may have to risk a scar D:
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Angela Drakken on October 25, 2017, 07:02:39 AM
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on September 09, 2017, 06:00:29 AM
It's funny it doesn't look bad in your photo. I have aunts with necks really quiet the same.
I think on my neck it just stands out a little. Which is annoying because it's just enough that I may have to risk a scar D:
Scars are just scars. With proper after care it fades pretty much to non existant. (Me personally Im covered in them head to toe. They're my tiger stripes. ^.^)
In a conversation with my speech pathologist, we got on this subject and I stated I want it done, and that my surgeon does it along with SRS FFS and basically everything else. She simply cautioned me on the obvious risk of tone changes and that I would be in better hands to have it done by a surgeon thats also an ENT (Ear nose and throat) specialist or to just do my homework with researching the surgeon ahead of time and if they allow for reviews to read through them all.

Like you I have a slender neck and its getting even more slender with the months on HRT passing. This makes for my wee little bump to appear more prominent. (I learned to be pretty sneaky 'swallowing' my adams apple for photos ect but thats a bandaid fix.)

I can probs dig into my girlfriends 'scar reduction' arsenal she uses on me if that sets your mind at ease with a few products. (Ive had third degree burns vanish in weeks to nothingness.)
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 25, 2017, 08:46:07 AM
Haha maybe it is a thin neck problem. I really want it done. It's so masculine like
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Yavanna on October 25, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
In Moscow, Adam's apple shaving costs about 800-900$. The whole procedure takes about two hours, incuding a preparation and postoperative rest. This surgery is performed under local anesthesia. The incision can be done anywhere on the neck. But the farther of the incision will be from the Adam's apple, the bigger it will be, and the longer it will heal. However, I saw the results of shaving a very big Adam's apple and scar be almost invisible for the year after the surgery.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 25, 2017, 12:01:25 PM
Jeez that really sounds rather good Yavanna. What was the name of the surgeon?? I might look into him
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Angela Drakken on October 25, 2017, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: Yavanna on October 25, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
In Moscow, Adam's apple shaving costs about 800-900$. The whole procedure takes about two hours, incuding a preparation and postoperative rest. This surgery is performed under local anesthesia. The incision can be done anywhere on the neck. But the farther of the incision will be from the Adam's apple, the bigger it will be, and the longer it will heal. However, I saw the results of shaving a very big Adam's apple and scar be almost invisible for the year after the surgery.
Wow O.O that procedure costs about 3 grand in Canada to my understanding and thats a reduced rate if coupled with other surgeries! If Im wrong clarification would be mega sweet.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Michelle G on October 25, 2017, 07:14:38 PM
Somehow Mother Nature was kind enough to see that I have no trace at all of one 😊

Rachel, you are adorable in your profile pic!
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Dani on October 25, 2017, 10:51:39 PM
I had my trachea shaved last week. My surgeon put the scar about half way from the trachea to my chin, about 2 inches above the trachea. When I hold my head normally the scar is hidden in the skin fold under my chin.

Now that I am about 10 days post-op, I feel normal and almost all the swelling is gone.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Rachel_Christina on October 25, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
Thanks Michelle, you sound lucky if you have "none", but we always have something there, the thinness doesn't help either, but still it is probably 20% bigger than a natal female?
And yeah Dani that is the placement I would be hoping for myself.
Title: Re: Adams apple reduction
Post by: Yavanna on October 26, 2017, 02:11:24 AM
Quote from: Rachel_Christina on October 25, 2017, 12:01:25 PM
What was the name of the surgeon?? I might look into him
Ann Sluzky https://www.facemakermd.com/services/ https://www.facebook.com/ann.sluzky
Concerning in case the Adam's apple shaving I can confidently recommend this surgeon.