My legs go about three or four days between shavings. I don't currently shave
my chest and tummy but I'd like to but I'm afraid of the comfort level/itching.
How many of you waxed or shaved your chest prior to HRT? Or did you do the
whole body laser thing?
Does chest hair grow at the same time at leg hair? Was it uncomfortable in-between?
How long were you on HRT before your could quit shaving?
So many questions I know!
Amanda
I didn't have chest hair, but I did and do epilate my lower tummy area every few weeks, even after 15 months HRT. It's sparse, but still... I like it gone.
I actually found shaving irritates my skin - and makes me itch - much more than using an epilator.
~Kate~
I'm practically hairless on the backside of my body except for my lower leg. They are pretty hairy and I have a few hairs on my thighs
and fine lite hair on my forearms. But the area between my nipples has sparse but very long dark hair and a lite covering over my tummy of short hairs.
I guess HRT will eventually take care of it but it's so yucky, I want it gone.
Kate, do you have any recommendations on an epilator brand?
Thanks Ashley, I missed that you also used an epilator.
I'll check out that website and you can speak for Kate anytime,
I bet she won't mind too much :)
Is this the one?
http://www.folica.com/Emjoi_Gently_Go_r213_1.html (http://www.folica.com/Emjoi_Gently_Go_r213_1.html)
The reviews sound great.
I don't seem to get any body hair and I only have to shave my legs about once every 6 months..
Its been about 6 months since I started to use spiro and suddenly the hair has stopped!-I am well pleased!!
Hair on me grows every where..... when I can afford it I will LASER it all!!!!
Your friend
The WereWolf ( a.k.a. Daisy )
I'm curious Daisy, do you take Spiro or are you just really a WereWolf? LOL.
As of my shower this morning my upper body matches my lower. I'm hairless
and it looks wonderful!
Now if I can stand the wait maybe the Spiro will do it's thing.
Amanda
No AA drugs at all.... a while back I tried Climara , Estraderm and premarin. I know -- Bad puppy!! LOL(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.mediaplazza.com%2Ft_24%2F120x160%2FBest_friend.gif&hash=69653bfeb3b387d70d050b6404e95da7ab7ef4ae)
No true results there at all. However as mentioned on other topic https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,21604.100.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,21604.100.html)
Quote from: daisybelle on November 21, 2007, 02:01:22 PM
I was on hormones for six months.... nothing. However when I was trying to get my wife pregnant prior to that, we had a doctor prescribe CLOMID for me.
| For women here is what it is supposed to do: | -- | Clomid is often a first line treatment to induce regular ovulation. Clomid works at the level of the hypothalamus where it competes for estrogen binding sites. When these "sites are occupied" by Clomid, the hypothalamus responds by producing more GnRH which then stimulates the pituitary to produce FSH. Remember, in a normal cycle healthy follicles produce estrogclomiden, which signals the hypothalamus to reduce production of FSH. Clomiphene is marketed in the United States by Aventis Laboratories as Clomid and by Serono Laboratories as Serophene. |
| For Men : | -- | Just as women need the right balance of hormones to ovulate regularly, men need certain hormones to produce healthy sperm. Surprisingly, the same substances control these reproductive functions in both men and women — so the same fertility drugs that stimulate ovulation stimulate sperm production.
|
I got definite pre-pubescent budding under my nipple ( not sure I would ever get much more - my mom is flat to put it mildly ), and my skin got softer and my butt seemed to curve out.
Unfortunately there was a major side effect. You see this drug tricks your body into think it is not producing either Testosterone or Estrogen. The result is it puts your system into overdrive for both. So even though I saw some results with the feminine effects I mentioned before , I think you will understand the re was just as much or more enhancement on the Masculine side too. My beard seemed to thicken in a month ( i.e. twice the amount of hair ), hair grew in on my back (UGGG) and well lets just say I could not keep my hands of my wife. She did get pregnant by the way. She says sometimes she wanted to roll up a newspaper to keep me off her. LOL
For women this drug is only used short term and the added testosterone adds to libido thereby aiding potential pregnancy.
Daisy --- The Horny WereWolf
I think this is what had some femme-ing effects on my body .... but also sent my TESTOSTERONE into hyperdrive. Hair grew from places I never expected.
Daisy
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Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on December 05, 2007, 03:16:04 PM
How long were you on HRT before your could quit shaving?
Last I heard women have the same problem, or else why all the ads for women's hair removal products from shaving to laser treatments, so it seems it doesn't end. And tummy to lower abdomen hair isn't a male-only characteristic. So, in the end, it's the old adage, "Get used to it."
--Susan--
But real women do not take Sprio and it suppresses body hair growth.
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on December 06, 2007, 04:54:40 PM
But real women do not take Sprio and it suppresses body hair growth.
Not in everyone. Once hair starts to grow it is hard to kill it. I had very little body hair and spiro did not slow, thin, or stop it.
Ok well I hear all of this talk about Spiro stopping body hair from growing...but I'm on Avodart as my Anti-androgen and a get a monthly injection that has DRASTICALLY lowered my testosterone so when can I start to expect the body hair to decrease???
Anyone NOT on Spiro as their AA and on Avodart???
I never shave my body. I always wax. With sugar (http://www.parissa.com/).
I think after more than a year and a half on HRT, my body hair growth has slowed a little, but I was hoping for better.
Whole body laser? Who's rich enough to afford that? I'm in debt just for lasering my face; I took out a loan. I've been lasering my chest too, but it's adding up to more than I can afford.
I don't really have too much hair, but the places I do don't handle shaving very well at all. It can itch for a long time after shaving, and since I needed to get some genital electrolysis done before surgery, my parents thought it would be a better idea to just get full body done. I should have my next appointment for that in about two weeks
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on December 06, 2007, 04:54:40 PM
But real women do not take Sprio and it suppresses body hair growth.
Suppresses yes, stop no, because we all have some level of testosterone in your system, and it depends upon the suppression and your body (genetics) if it suppresses hair growth to near zero. It's not universal. As long as the hair roots are there, they will grow depending on the level of hormones to activate growth, or even regrow in the case of baldness. As they say, your mileage may vary.
--Susan--
Kiera - the monthly injection I am on is equivalent to a castration - its dubbed a "chemical castration"...so its similar to getting your testicles physically removed thus preventing any further testosterone in your system - which I would imagine would stop your body hair from growing???? I don't know really I am not a doctor but this is the regimen my doctor has me on along with the Avodart and Estrogen so I am assuming it works. We shall see.
Hi girls,
I epilate once a week using an electric epilator. I have chest hair or at least I did, lol. I have found that it is reduced by about 50% since epilating about a year ago. I have laser on the face, and I will be having my hands and arms done as soon as the face is finished.
Epilation seems to work for me but OMG it hurts at first until the hairs become weaker.
Don't shave the dam things, lol, epilate.
Hugs
Nigella
I'm lucky that my body hair takes a long time to grow, is spaced out, and pretty fine. I admit, I get lazy and wont shave my legs for weeks. LOL (then again, it's winter, so I don't wear skirts during the winter... I'm cold enough as it is!)
I'm "blessed" with hair on nearly every last little bit of my body. Think "bear" and you'd get a good mental picture.
I get to shave just about everywhere. It's getting lighter, but there is still way to much. The thought of that much electrolysis scare the heck out of me.
Quote from: Kiwi Jayne on December 17, 2007, 09:05:20 PM
I'm "blessed" with hair on nearly every last little bit of my body. Think "bear" and you'd get a good mental picture.
I get to shave just about everywhere. It's getting lighter, but there is still way to much. The thought of that much electrolysis scare the heck out of me.
To the wooly bear from the hariy werewolf --- I understand completely!!
Daisy
After 3 years or so of hrt, and a year of spiro, I don't have any body hair to speak of, except light hair on my legs, and some very fine, sparce dark hair on my lower abdomen. I used to have a little chest hair, but it all went away on its own. I use an Emjoi epilator on my tummy, arms, and hands. I don't really have to, and am more hair free than many natal women, but yuckers! I hated having body hair, and won't have it now. My epilator gets use about every other week.
IM ITALIAN.... i grow hair on my hair :laugh:. i have shaved almost every square inch of my body.it feels nice, but i go from smooth to stubble in about 24 hours. >:( i cant afford laser yet .... maybe if they gave a discount by the yard.. recently i have been using an epliator. i have gotten most of my chest and 3/4 of each thigh...... in about 3 sessions that lasted hours each. OMG! the pain. the thighs werent too bad, but my chest.....WOW! after the first session i still had the shakes the next day at work.
results...
shaving: 24 hours after shaving my chest my shirts started velcro-ing to my chest and noticable stubble.... ahter 72 hours i resembled a baby hedgehog :laugh:
epilation: 24 hours after epilation my shirt was my enemy but boy was everything smooth.. after 1 week i have new growth everywhere but it is all very fine at this time.... and im due for another go at it... iv never been so excited about pain before. :laugh:
note: i did have a nasty run in with ingrown hairs around my breasts, but most of it has cleared with regular loofahing. the breast area was done after a hot shower... which seemed to make things worse (the pain and ingrowns)
Question:
What is this Epilator stuff I am hearing about?
RE: Shaving:
I have a nice method:
I don't mind shaving my legs. I kinda enjoy it actually.
Same with my arms. For body and face: Ugh, can get ingrown and ugly, so I use the following method:
high heat showers! Yea, so I got this technique from an old monk friend of mine, who shaves a lot. I turn the shower up as hot as I can stand it while I am shaving, and then let it go on afterwards. REALLY HOT! like almost can't stand it hot, but can just barely. This seems to have the best results, as I don't get ingrown this way, I don't break out, and It stays smother for a couple of days. I do shave every day. It has gotten easier with practice but I am going to get lasered.
The neck is the worst as it tends to get badly ingrown and broken out. Ugh.
But the high heat most definetely make a huge difference.
It's one of the reasons I don't care about passing: at five oclock its pretty well noticeable.
So I just care about acceptance and not looking perfect.
it looks like an electric shaver but instead of cutters it has rotating tweezer/wheels that pull the hair out by the root. my body is still getting used to it, but it has gotten considerably more tolerable.
Quote from: beth06 on December 18, 2007, 10:25:08 PM
IM ITALIAN.... i grow hair on my hair :laugh:. i have shaved almost every square inch of my body.it feels nice, but i go from smooth to stubble in about 24 hours.
Paesana, don't shave. It won't work for us, amica. Middle Eastern women (with a hirsute tendency equal to italiane) have been epilating with sugar since ancient times, it's a tried and true method. It's the gentlest on the skin hair removal method known to humankind. I haven't tried the epilator.
I attain very satisfactory results with sugaring that I can't get from shaving.
1) the result is smoother from the start
2) no stubble: regrowth comes after some weeks
3) regrowth is soft and not stubbly. (If it was done right)... epilation pulls the hairs out by the roots... if you break a the hair under the skin but leave the root in, the regrowth of that follicle will be stubbly because it was already there. When the root is properly epilated, a new hair doesn't grow until the next telogen cycle (is that correct?), and a fresh new shoot grows softer and tenderer.
Drawbacks: 1) keeping the sugar heated to the right temperature is a pain in the tooshis. 2) it can get kind of sloppy... but the good part is, it cleans up easier than anything... just rinse with warm water. Avoid balsam resin which is also sold as an epilation goop, but is a bitch to clean up. Sugar is all I need.
do you make your own? if not what brand do you use? i tried a sugar recipe from the net and was frustrated because it only pulled about half of the hairs and hurt like in "40 year old virgin". i wan a trans'o'lantern. LOL thats when i went with the epi. i figured that if it was going to hurt so bad i could at least control the rate... and would get moer hairs in the proces. now that i am getting used to it i think id like to try sugar again.
Hum,
To be honest I have never really had much body hair of any kind, but what I do have I epilate to remove it...keeps me silky smooth for weeks on end.
Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
Quote from: beth06 on December 31, 2007, 08:55:19 PM
do you make your own? if not what brand do you use?
I tried making my own the last time. I think I prepared it wrong. When cooking sugar, to get it the right consistency is a skill that requires exacting precision. A sugar thermometer is a must.
The brand I always use is Parissa (http://www.parissa.com), for reliable quality and affordable price. I recommend the Chamomile Body Sugar.
When you have a good quality sugar preparation, it becomes easier to use and gives better results. The pain is manageable; it smarts sharply at first but quickly subsides. <i>Bisogna soffrire per essere bella</i>.
i started shaving recently and will be starting HRT rather soon
so much bloody work though there is no question in my mind that its worth it
esp feeling so good getting dressed up after..for me just sort of brightens me up
-smiles-
Wax,sugar or use an epilator, they all last longer, 4-6 weeks. The more you do it the finer your hair will get. I have a small patch of hair between my boobies, I waxed it off about a month and a half ago and it
s just starting to pop out again.
I've had lasering done on my legs,most of it is gone but a fair bit grows back. I want to have more done, but it's pretty expensive so I'll just have to wait till I can afford to have more done. :( Mean while I'll stick to my wax and sugar. ::)
Waxing and lasering don't mix. I'm sure you know that, but in general... if you're planning to laser an area, don't wax it for at least two months before beginning laser there. Shave instead.
Quote from: Hypatia on January 02, 2008, 10:47:02 AM
Waxing and lasering don't mix. I'm sure you know that, but in general... if you're planning to laser an area, don't wax it for at least two months before beginning laser there. Shave instead.
Yes, they prefer that you shave and yes no waxing,sugaring or epilating at least 2 months before laser treatments. The place that I went to said to stop waxing 6 weeks before treatments was enough. After a whole year of shaving and having my legs lasered at a rate of one treatment per month, a fair bit grew back, most is gone. the rest I sugar off. I will consider getting some other areas lasered when I can afford to. The years worth of treatment cost me almost 4000 dollars, but I understand that lasering is getting somewhat cheaper. ;D
I'm pretty ... :'( when it comes to epilation, but I shave basically every second night, even after about 9 months on anti-androgens (I LOOOOOVE those, but I really HATE hair). I'm pretty lucky though in that I've never had much body-hair, only a bit of fluff on my tummy and about enough hairs on my chest that you have to count them using your toes as well. I also shave my arms and pretty-much anywhere else I can reach, though I probably don't need to.
As for the itchiness and irritation, I'd suggest trying an aloe-vera and/or tea-trea based gel to soothe those after shaving. I find those to work exceptionally well on the occasions where I do get a bit of a rash or something. Otherwise, unfortunately no suggestions. I have heard that laser is really effective in thinning out body-hair, but that's a wee bit above and beyond my budget to be able to make first-hand comment.
Good luck
Quote from: beth06 on December 30, 2007, 05:10:30 PM
it looks like an electric shaver but instead of cutters it has rotating tweezer/wheels that pull the hair out by the root. my body is still getting used to it, but it has gotten considerably more tolerable.
What??
This sort of thing exists?
Does it work on face and body hair?
Quote from: Sarah on January 02, 2008, 09:25:07 PM
Quote from: beth06 on December 30, 2007, 05:10:30 PM
it looks like an electric shaver but instead of cutters it has rotating tweezer/wheels that pull the hair out by the root. my body is still getting used to it, but it has gotten considerably more tolerable.
What??
This sort of thing exists?
Does it work on face and body hair?
Yep...they exist and can be...um...painful depending upon the place of the body you're using it on...
Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
So, I checked that link Ashley gave,
Does anyone have a particular model they reccomend?
this is what i have found.. i started with an emjoi model. it worked but seemed to break quite a few hairs instead of pulling them all the way out. for as much pain as it causes i really want to get it done the first time. after reading reviews on line i decided to try a braun model. it has massage bars that actually helped with the pain. they kind of tingle as the epilator moves across the skin causing a kind of pain radar jamming effect. lol. you still feel the hair get pulled but there is so much going on in the area that it is less noticeable. i got both epilators at a local target. i would highly recommend the braun model.
http://www.101shavers.com/related/1080-2119/Women-Hair-Removal/5270.html
Posted on: January 11, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
also they are both noisy, but the braun is so loud that i had to rock my ipod to drown out the noise. lol.
One thing I haven't seen anyone address is back hair. That is really tough to reach to get rid of by any method. Anyone have any tips? Or am I the only one trying to deal with it?
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AGK! epiltors are horrendous :S
Personally i just swipe away in the shower with my razor and its done... (venus envy ftw)
Kristi: Delapatory creams?
Quote from: Kristi on January 11, 2008, 11:58:30 PM
back hair. That is really tough to reach to get rid of by any method.
One thing I've done is learn hatha yoga to be flexible enough to reach my arms behind my back when waxing. And using a big mirror.
Also, I sometimes have my friend do my back. But for the times when I have to get it done NOW, and she isn't available, I can do my own back. Although it isn't the most efficient when I do it myself,
Quote from: Renate on January 11, 2008, 10:48:14 PM
I use an ancient rotating spring Epilady. I wanted to buy this new model for Christmas
but didn't have the necessary cash. I've read good reviews, it's supposed to be quiet.
Epilady Legend rechargeable epilator (http://www.epilady.com/legend.asp)
Renate
It may be quiet...but when I use one..
I am not!
Ouch!
Quote from: gothique11 on December 17, 2007, 06:18:20 PM
I'm lucky that my body hair takes a long time to grow, is spaced out, and pretty fine. I admit, I get lazy and wont shave my legs for weeks. LOL (then again, it's winter, so I don't wear skirts during the winter... I'm cold enough as it is!)
Pretty much same.
I've had no electro or laser in the face, and shaving works fine, no one can tell (so yeah I didn't really have much to start with). No armpit, no chest, no back hair. Legs/thighs/arms hair is more or less normal (I don't shave arms, I do shave legs). I shave pubic hair by choice.
I've never used an epilator, and can't (and never could before) afford electrolysis. Laser risks the chance of not working completely on me. My hair is not really dark.
Quote from: Kristi on January 11, 2008, 11:58:30 PM
One thing I haven't seen anyone address is back hair. That is really tough to reach to get rid of by any method. Anyone have any tips? Or am I the only one trying to deal with it?
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Hey Kristi,
I saw an ad back in december for a back shaver w/ handle called "Mangroomer" ;D (ok, sue me I didn't name the dang thing >:D ) it's @ 'Bed, Bath & Beyond' for $40.00. Hope that help's. I plan on buying it too :P
Oh hey thanks Beth and others about the responses about the epilators.
I will difinitely be buying a Bruan.
Thanks so much!
Sara
I wouldn't use it on your face though. The follicles are so deep that you would probably get massive amounts of ingrown hairs. Not pretty. As far as electrolysis is concerned I bought my own blend machine and did most of it myself. you just have to be really carefull when you first start and also have good hand eye coordination. If you go that route make sure to read Electrolysis, Thermolysis, and the Blend by A.R. Hinkel who by the way made the blend machine I bought on EBay. I paid around $600 for it and it was well worth it. Its paid for itself many times over.
Audrey
I got a Braun 5270 Silk Epil X`elle about 3 weeks ago. I have used it quite a bit. It did break a lot of chest hair. Worked perfectily on my upper arm and parts of my fore arm. It was horribly painful on the chest and even worse around the nipple. It made tears come to my eyes. I did use it on part of my face I think my chest was more painful.
If did use this on my whole face would this make laser less effective? I'm doing laser soon as I have the cash which should be with in the next six weeks if I watch my money.
oh bought the Braun here for under $60
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4081958
Later,
Anna
From a purely tactile point of view, I would prefer waxing/sugaring over a mechanical epilator. Why? Because it's the old ripping-off-the-bandage syndrome: the quicker it's over with the better. Wax or sugar clears one big patch in less than one second, versus the epilator which sounds like an evilly slow torture device by comparison.
Quote from: Hypatia on January 21, 2008, 07:40:57 PM
From a purely tactile point of view, I would prefer waxing/sugaring over a mechanical epilator. Why? Because it's the old ripping-off-the-bandage syndrome: the quicker it's over with the better. Wax or sugar clears one big patch in less than one second, versus the epilator which sounds like an evilly slow torture device by comparison.
this would be way more effective then waterboarding :icon_suspicious:
it has taken my upper chest hair the longest to be trained but it is getting there. you can really tell the difference between a hair that was previously pulled to one that broke. the pulled ones zip out. the broken ones remind me of how bad this really hurt when i started.
Quote from: Audrey on January 21, 2008, 03:35:01 PM
I wouldn't use it on your face though. The follicles are so deep that you would probably get massive amounts of ingrown hairs. Not pretty. As far as electrolysis is concerned I bought my own blend machine and did most of it myself. you just have to be really carefull when you first start and also have good hand eye coordination. If you go that route make sure to read Electrolysis, Thermolysis, and the Blend by A.R. Hinkel who by the way made the blend machine I bought on EBay. I paid around $600 for it and it was well worth it. Its paid for itself many times over.
Audrey
oooooo ill have to look into this.... it really worked?
Quote from: funnygrl on January 20, 2008, 10:55:02 PM
Quote from: Kristi on January 11, 2008, 11:58:30 PM
One thing I haven't seen anyone address is back hair. That is really tough to reach to get rid of by any method. Anyone have any tips? Or am I the only one trying to deal with it?
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Hey Kristi,
I saw an ad back in december for a back shaver w/ handle called "Mangroomer" ;D (ok, sue me I didn't name the dang thing >:D ) it's @ 'Bed, Bath & Beyond' for $40.00. Hope that help's. I plan on buying it too :P
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I looked it up and they still have it. May check into it. Thanks.
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i have one of these. bodygroom (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Norelco-BG2020-31-Bodygroom/dp/B000EG8HLE)
it works great for my back.... for now. eventually i want permanent solution. ::)
Yes beth electrolysis really works, but DONT buy one of those crappy "vector no needle deals" they are a complete waste of money. I have had good results from DIY electrolysis and the only scarring I have is from when I went to a "professional" and had my face fried with thermolysis. The swelling was awful. Needless to say I didn't go back. Stick with the blend it works.
As for laser I think it really depends on your hair type and the laser itself, wavelength, wattage etc. My hair is almost entirely blond so i decided to go with the time tested old fashioned electrolysis.
Audrey
Quote from: Kristi on January 21, 2008, 11:15:12 PM
Quote from: funnygrl on January 20, 2008, 10:55:02 PM
Quote from: Kristi on January 11, 2008, 11:58:30 PM
One thing I haven't seen anyone address is back hair. That is really tough to reach to get rid of by any method. Anyone have any tips? Or am I the only one trying to deal with it?
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Hey Kristi,
I saw an ad back in december for a back shaver w/ handle called "Mangroomer" ;D (ok, sue me I didn't name the dang thing >:D ) it's @ 'Bed, Bath & Beyond' for $40.00. Hope that help's. I plan on buying it too :P
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I looked it up and they still have it. May check into it. Thanks.
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I been using a spatula to put nair on my back once a month. I think i might try that mangroomer it looks interesting.