I just came across this article released a few days ago https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/senators-mccain-gillibrand-collins-reed-introduce-bipartisan-legislation-to-protect-transgender-service-members (https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/senators-mccain-gillibrand-collins-reed-introduce-bipartisan-legislation-to-protect-transgender-service-members).
If anything good has come of Donald Trump's presidency, it is that the LGBT community seems to have become more united and politicians are actually trying to help us.
Here in Massachusetts we have a transgender bill of rights, brought to us by our Republican Governor. The previous Democratic governor didn't do it. Tbe major difference isn't Republican/Democrat, it's North/South. Now why does that sound like deja vu?
Hugs, Devlyn
Yeah, here in Georgia we have zero legal protections plus it's a right to work state so one can be fired for no reason at all. Maybe the Democrats would do better for us today but they haven't been in power here since 2003.
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I have to agree with the Devyln, it is more of a north / south divide but it is also a religious divide. Way back when I was against all the atheist legislation removing things like the pledge of allegiance, nativity scenes form city parks, etc, thinking such things were basically harmless. But now we have too much of a religious influence in our government that is doing real harm to people that I would like to see it influence removed completely.
I can only hope that the north wins the civil war once again and a return to a separation between church and state.
That's enough out of me lest I go too far and violate our Terms of Service.
Hugs,
Laurie
Quote from: Deborah on September 19, 2017, 12:23:25 PM
Yeah, here in Georgia we have zero legal protections plus it's a right to work state so one can be fired for no reason at all.
I have a problem understanding how "right to work" translates into "can be fired for no reason at all".
Sounds like Employee-at-will.
Yes, I was confused. It is employee at will.
What does it mean to be an at-will employee? According to one of the leading Georgia Supreme Court cases on the subject, it means that motives of an employer in terminating an at-will employee are legally immaterial. (Georgia Power Co. v Busbin, 242 Ga 612). Because the reason for termination is legally immaterial an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason, good reason or bad reason. The reason behind the termination does not matter.
http://bkandylaw.com/georgia-employment-at-will/
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I seem to recall something about work protections in Atlanta passing, or was it just proposed and didn't go anywhere?
One thing that's clearly needed is employee protection. The standard of living has been dropping steadily since the '80s, with Reaganomics and helping the wealthy & corporations, at the expense of everyone else.
I've never been in favour of unions, but it appears they've become necessary to protect people.
Quote from: Deborah on September 19, 2017, 02:48:38 PM
What does it mean to be an at-will employee? According to one of the leading Georgia Supreme Court cases on the subject, it means that motives of an employer in terminating an at-will employee are legally immaterial.
Many years ago, I saw a US documentary in which people fired on the day before their retirement were interviewed. Employers did it so that the employees would forfeit their pensions. Can that still happen?
I'm not sure if that specifically can happen. But I do know that there are some in my town who worked in the textile mills their whole lives and when the mills closed and moved overseas they were left with an $11 a month pension.
Ain't capitalism great!
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Quote from: Deborah on September 19, 2017, 03:34:11 PM
I'm not sure if that specifically can happen. But I do know that there are some in my town who worked in the textile mills their whole lives and when the mills closed and moved overseas they were left with an $11 a month pension.
Ain't capitalism great!
That's why more protection for the average person is needed. I doubt it will happen with the current administration.
Quote from: Deborah on September 19, 2017, 12:23:25 PMDemocrats . . . haven't been in power here since 2003.
I think you mean '
since the Klan" Politicians don't "
hate us" - '
the mob constituents' they're constantly catering too maybe???
Quote from: MaryT on September 19, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
Many years ago, I saw a US documentary in which people fired on the day before their retirement were interviewed. Employers did it so that the employees would forfeit their pensions. Can that still happen?
That's not how it worked and to some degree, it happened to me. You become vested in a pension. That means after some period of time like about 5 years you become a member of the pension plan. If you are terminated for any reason before that, you don't become a member of the plan. After that date, you are in the plan but what you will receive will be greater the longer you remain in the plan. The company I was canned from when I was starting my transition got rid of around 750 people out of 1,000 in the period of a year or two so I suspect they banked a huge amount of money that would have ended up in a pension plan. In addition, they had openings that I applied for much latter but I suspect one of the reasons for not rehiring me was because I would have had pension time already banked making me eligible for a pension plan much sooner.
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I didn't even think this would be a divisive subject on this forum. I never said anything against Democrats or Republicans. It's a fact that Donald Trump and a few other of his administration have written bills and executive orders reversing decades of improvements of LGBT rights. It's nice to see there have been states working to at least protect our rights within their borders.
Libertairian here.I am glad Trump is my president and not Hillary.Trump will not be perfect but I think things would have been a lot worse under another Clinton admin.
Quote from: AnneK on September 19, 2017, 01:22:28 PM
I have a problem understanding how "right to work" translates into "can be fired for no reason at all".
Jesus does not hate anyone.People do.
To answer my own question above in case anyone cares: There are indeed trans-inclusive anti-discrimination work laws in Atlanta at least. (http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/fact_sheets/all_jurisdictions_w_pop_10_11.pdf)
Quote from: Alicia Francesca on September 22, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
Jesus does not hate anyone.People do.
Except for Paulie Shore. He and Jesus have bad blood after Shore stiffed Jesus on a writing credit for Bio-dome.
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I'll... I'll shut up now.
Quote from: Deborah on September 19, 2017, 02:48:38 PM
Yes, I was confused. It is employee at will.
Georgia is both an employment-at-will state and a right-to-work state. They mean different things though. "Right to work" is the name of the set of laws that allow you to opt out of paying union dues as part of your job, which can effectively kill unions or allow you to be free from them (depending on how you view unions).
At-will employment, like you said, means that you can be terminated for (almost) any reason. You just can't be terminated for an illegal reason (and there are only a few that are illegal - like some forms of discrimination).
Quote from: Roll on September 22, 2017, 06:37:44 PM
To answer my own question above in case anyone cares: There are indeed trans-inclusive anti-discrimination work laws in Atlanta at least.
That is true. But it's also my understanding that there are no teeth behind Atlanta's anti-discrimination rules. I know firsthand of someone who was fired from his Atlanta job after coming out as gay. This ordinance, unfortunately didn't help him out much, and he didn't really have grounds to sue because sexual orientation is not protected under state or federal law. In other words, the Atlanta ordinance wasn't enough to base a lawsuit on.
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I think it is a north vs south thing. Republican Charlie Baker seems to be supporting trans right at will, something I doubt many southern Republicans would do openly and strongly. Its more of a region thing then a wing thing. On LGBT the national Democrats are very supportive, while the GOP is split between a more supportive northern members and strongly opposed southern member. Granted, this isnt new. Before like 1968 it was the Republicans that near universally supported civil rights whereas the Democrats were split with a supportive northren wing and a hard core opposed southern wing.