QuoteA new memo rescinds an Obama-era policy on gender-identity discrimination, setting the stage for a possible Supreme Court fight.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/the-department-of-justice-takes-a-stand-against-transgender-rights-in-the-workplace/542154/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/the-department-of-justice-takes-a-stand-against-transgender-rights-in-the-workplace/542154/)
The Atlantic/by Emma Green 10/05/2017
Well that was always going to happen eventually. It was always going to be at some point going to the supreme court or some higher up would take the mantle. Unfortunately no one seems to want to do real work in congress, the senate, or the president. I truly believe that the courts will do what is right and suit everyone. The fight is going to be a tough one but, hopefully will be worth it.
Quote from: Jailyn on October 05, 2017, 12:37:24 PM
Well that was always going to happen eventually. It was always going to be at some point going to the supreme court or some higher up would take the mantle. Unfortunately no one seems to want to do real work in congress, the senate, or the president. I truly believe that the courts will do what is right and suit everyone. The fight is going to be a tough one but, hopefully will be worth it.
I definitely agree Jailyn but can't give thumbs up yet it seems.
But yeah I think the Supreme Court will decide in our favor but Congress should have doe this long ago in the EEO act to add us. But they didn't. Obama made it a policy but it needs to be law and the only ones that can do that is the Congress, both houses, or the Supreme Court deciding the Constitutionality of it. Since we all have to work then I will bet with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness they will choose right. What is the alternative? Putting us all on welfare because we can't work?
Well considering the U.S's recent vote in the UN regarding the death penalty for homosexuality, the US is heading down a dark path. We need some more outspoken CEO's or entrepreneurs to push for modifying the Civil Rights Act because money is the only thing that gets anything done anymore.
I won't compare this to the civil rights situation in the 1960s, as trans people are not as likely to take up arms and protest like people did back then. Considering the way Congress works these days, I don't think anything will turn out well for us. Furthermore, I don't dare mention certain religious or political groups, as I don't want another warning, but you can see where I am going with this.
Quote from: Jenntrans on October 05, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
I definitely agree Jailyn but can't give thumbs up yet it seems.
But yeah I think the Supreme Court will decide in our favor but Congress should have doe this long ago in the EEO act to add us. But they didn't. Obama made it a policy but it needs to be law and the only ones that can do that is the Congress, both houses, or the Supreme Court deciding the Constitutionality of it. Since we all have to work then I will bet with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness they will choose right. What is the alternative? Putting us all on welfare because we can't work?
I don't know why you think the Supreme Court will necessarily decide in our favor. A lot of them are conservatives and strict constitutionalists.
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April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!
Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.
They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
Think outside the voice box!
Quote from: Lady Sarah on October 05, 2017, 04:52:41 PM
trans people are not as likely to take up arms and protest like people did back then.
Umm the Compton's cafeteria riot? And by all the accounts I've heard the first brick thrown at Stonewall was hefted by a drag queen -- certainly there were trans people there and fighting for our rights.
Without resorting to any ad hominem, I think I can safely conclude that this administration and the voters to whom it is pandering bear us every bit of ill will we'd feared.
Count me among those resisting these people.
Breaking Trump order protects freedom to discriminate against LGBT people
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/10/06/breaking-trump-order-protects-freedom-to-discriminate-against-lgbt-people/
Pink News/Nick Duffy 10/06/2017
Quote from: Dee Marshall on October 05, 2017, 06:50:22 PM
I don't know why you think the Supreme Court will necessarily decide in our favor. A lot of them are conservatives and strict constitutionalists.
Because Dee the part about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That is secured within the Constitution. That is how same sex marriage was deemed Constitutional.
With the Supreme Court it should not matter if they are Conservatives or Liberals. If so then they need to resign or get outed. They are there to give the final word on Constitutionality and not by party lines but by The Constitution itself. The Supreme Court should not have any political affiliations. LGBT is not within the confines of the Constitution but life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is though.
Jenntrans
The constitution has not stopped biased or bigoted judges in the past. Have you seen this other thread and the article it links to?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,229301.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,229301.0.html)
You might also read this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-judicial-nominee-abortion-rights_us_59d67a63e4b046f5ad96e117 (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-judicial-nominee-abortion-rights_us_59d67a63e4b046f5ad96e117)
Do you honestly those people will stand up for our rights, when they so strongly oppose them? Incidentally, one of them, I forgot which, defied a Supreme Court order in some of his rulings.
No, Trump is stacking the court with people who are openly hostile to the gay & trans communities.
Good luck with your rights then.
Quote from: AnneK on October 10, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
Jenntrans
The constitution has not stopped biased or bigoted judges in the past. Have you seen this other thread and the article it links to?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,229301.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,229301.0.html)
You might also read this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-judicial-nominee-abortion-rights_us_59d67a63e4b046f5ad96e117 (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-judicial-nominee-abortion-rights_us_59d67a63e4b046f5ad96e117)
Do you honestly those people will stand up for our rights, when they so strongly oppose them? Incidentally, one of them, I forgot which, defied a Supreme Court order in some of his rulings.
No, Trump is stacking the court with people who are openly hostile to the gay & trans communities.
Good luck with your rights then.
It don't matter if they like our rights or not. I don't care because I do have the Constitution on my side and it specifically states, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
Politicians can not change the US Constitution. Some have tried and most have been on the left.
Look LGBT is not about Politics because Clinton had a Majority in two branches but gays serving openly was not a priority. Then he settled on DADT. Obama had a choice to put it among the majority or the Executive branch and the legislative branch for trans serving openly to make it law. He chose not too. Why? That is only a question you have to ask him and those that wer the majority in the houses. That should tell you something though about your own party
Obama wrote an executive order. Big deal because the next president can rescind it. NOW it is in the people you vote to represent you and your state hands. That is where openly serving in the military as trans should be to begin with, not the president's.
I think people are pissed because the president is not a monarch or dictator. But the Executive branch is only one of three equal branches of US Government.
You may hate Trump or you may like Trump but one thing he is doing is forcing the House and Senate to do their jobs no matter how hard it may be. So the Senate and the House can only write laws allowing trans to openly serve in the military. Not an executive order from a president that thought he was a monarch. just sayin'.
Jen, life, liberty etc are asserted in the declaration of Independence. The court ruling on gay marriage was based on the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment of the constitution.
QuoteYou may hate Trump or you may like Trump but one thing he is doing is forcing the House and Senate to do their jobs no matter how hard it may be. So the Senate and the House can only write laws allowing trans to openly serve in the military. Not an executive order from a president that thought he was a monarch. just sayin'.
Well, look at the track record so far. Who was it that decided to ban trans from the military? Who is it that's enabling people to justify bigotry against trans or gays? Who is it that cutting health care to millions, while cutting taxes for the wealthy? At least Obama was doing things to help our community. Clinton was president 20 years ago, at a time that was less tolerant of gays & trans, so he was limited in what he could do, but he certainly didn't make it open season on us.
Quote from: AnneK on October 12, 2017, 08:55:03 PM
Well, look at the track record so far. Who was it that decided to ban trans from the military? Who is it that's enabling people to justify bigotry against trans or gays? Who is it that cutting health care to millions, while cutting taxes for the wealthy? At least Obama was doing things to help our community. Clinton was president 20 years ago, at a time that was less tolerant of gays & trans, so he was limited in what he could do, but he certainly didn't make it open season on us.
Yeah well I was trans when Clinton was President. He was no more limited than Obama was.
Look times are changing. Society is changing. The President is nothing. Whoever we vote in the Executive Office is just one branch. Obama was against same sex marriage before he was for it. He changed just to keep power. Personally I don't give a rat's ass about a politician and how they feel but if I vote for them then they need to at least have my views within their agenda. I am pro second amendment and pro military and pro cop. Pro cop because my love is a cop. :o
I have worked for Trump's corporations and got treated a hell of a lot better even being a "->-bleeped-<-" than I have by Hilton. To be honest I don't know if it was because I was a Trans Trucker or whatever. But I got a hell of a discount on Trump properties more than Hilton properties and I delivered a hell of a lot of high end hotel furniture totally around the United States.
To be completely honest, I don't know and I don't care. The only thing I do know is that the House and the Senate need to do their jobs and address the whole LGBT thing and make the laws. the only thing a President can do is write an executive order which leaves the career politicians off the hook. The Senators and Representatives need to write the laws for us, not the President through an executive order. Executive orders are not Law.