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I have been wondering this for a long while now. There is a difference in percentages of types between male and female so it would be interesting to know where male to female transsexuals fall.

I am an INFJ-A. Without the A-advocate I am still an INFJ, the rarest personality type. So it is not really helpful for me to gauge where we are. Only 1% of people are INFJ, 1.5% of women and .5% of men. More women are INFJs than men, but let's be realistic, not by much.

I was just wondering if anyone has ever asked the question and if so what was the result. This is not to see who is more or less feminine, it would be ridiculous to believe that as there are men and women in all 16 types. It's to see if WE, as transsexuals, have a trend in personality types.

Does anyone know of any information on the subject? Or maybe just thoughts?

Grr! Edit, sigh. I will try to put a link. https://www.16personalities.com (https://www.16personalities.com)

I have never seen a study but from previous discussions a lot of us, me included, seem to be INFP.

INFPs are fairly rare at around 4% of the population with somewhat more women than men.

My thoughts are that this particular condition my lead many to be INF since it forces so much intense introspection.


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Interesting. I used to be INFJ a few years back,  but I have shifted in the last couple of years,  and I now peg as ENTP. My transition has absolutely brought changes in my behaviour and situational approach.

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I never thought about the introspection aspect. It would make sense though.

I was thinking more introverted vs extroverted. My guess would be that we tend to be more introverted, introspection would tie in with that. But I was thinking that introverted behavior would stem from hiding or fear maybe. Put together it would make absolute sense that there would be at least some difference.

I'm an ISTP. Why don't you add a poll so you can get some numbers?

Hugs, Devlyn

I have friends that have changed as they grow and mature, though most often it happens over years. Some I have walked away from because the change was... Well to my mind negative. I have taken the test 3 times and all three times have been the same. Maybe I am just weird.

Honestly, I don't know how. I have so much trouble navigating technology that it is like God is intentionally screwing with me. I had thought to but never got past the fact that there are 16! types. I have spent 10 hours or more just trying to post photos, obviously that has never worked well.

I can change my profile picture though! 😁

Um, there ya go.
Hope you are happy, I think that I broke my brain.  :eusa_wall:

😉

Quote from: Megan. on November 19, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Interesting. I used to be INFJ a few years back,  but I have shifted in the last couple of years,  and I now peg as ENTP. My transition has absolutely brought changes in my behaviour and situational approach.

Wow!  Changing from I to E is a huge change.

I am INFP.  Seems to me that's what I was last time I checked.  I've always been IN, but I cant vouch for the other letters.

I added my vote and yaaaaay, INFPs are ahead. :-)

TCBT, (totally confused by this)

It came out nearly 50:50 between INFP and INTP


you should add a link to the test, so people can read about it and take it

There are about 100 online Myers Briggs tests.  Just Google "Myers Briggs".

They say I'm an entj

I always get INTP with the INTJ being very close. The INT is consistently all high and decisive. ;D

Okay, I edited my first post with a link to the test.

I know nothing about this test nor have I taken it before but for what its worth, I scored as ENFP

INTP-T a logician? Lol
I'm not surprised

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Last time I took it was 2011... ended up being an ENTP, but only slight in every category. E was moderate... guess I was still confused about myself...

Would be interesting to see if it changed...

INFP-T for Turbulent. Very painful introspection and very topsy turvy emotions. Very painful, but I have managed my emotions somewhat well, without letting the cat out, even though my female emotions have taken over to a large extreme(I have stonewalled personalities that I would not have in the past, due to hrt). I have had to rely a lot more on technical skill and analysis, since my physical strength side went to poo. A lot more female/introspection nonkinetic vs my former male kinetic side.

Even my personality has changed on hrt, I used to be INTJ I believe before hrt.

ENTP-A, The Debater.



Let's discuss.

I got INFP this time, the Mediator, I used to usually get INTP when I took this.

Embracing my feminine side rather than hiding it has made me more feeling, it seems. Not necessarily a bad thing, I came off as emotionless, still kind of do.

Quote from: VeronicaLynn on November 19, 2017, 08:29:05 PM
I got INFP this time, the Mediator, I used to usually get INTP when I took this.

Embracing my feminine side rather than hiding it has made me more feeling, it seems. Not necessarily a bad thing, I came off as emotionless, still kind of do.

I just took this one and actually got INFP when as I said before I always get INTP. Redid another test and was still INTP. I think it's this specific test weighting something between the two differently.

Interesting. I'd heard the term before but had never taken the test. It says I'm INFJ - T. Not perfect in my view, but pretty dang close.  Part of it is that I'm so borderline in some categories - 51% Introverted, for instance. Some parts were dead on, though. Got something to think about now.

Steph

 Mine came up as ESTJ-A. This makes me an assertive, judging thinker. It also makes me an observant extrovert. That is a far cry from how I was pre HRT.

I used to be INTJ then more recently INFP moving towards ENFP over time. I think I vs E is somewhat learned for me and as my career progresses I continue to move further away from the extreme I that I once was. I don't see myself ever flipping to extrovert however I am moving in that direction over time.

INTP-A

Seems quite accurate.

INFP :angel:

Not surprised as I am a social worker and children's Psychotherapist!

INTP though I score very close to being INTJ.  I haven't taken a Briggs-Myers in a while.  Wondering if there have been any slight changes since transitioning.

I find INTP fits well.  There are definitely aspects that are awfully close to the J.  The core of me however has always been so much of a thinker/philosopher.

Just throwing it out there though Briggs-Myers is not really reliable or scientifically valid.  It is fun however.

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PROTAGONIST (ENFJ-A)

Extroverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging, Assertive.  Yep, that's me!  Seems to me that I have always been that way.

INTP, although I don't hold much stock to these types of tests.  I'm more concerned with one's I get graded on.  Unless INTP means I fail, then I'd be mad indeed.

Wait, that's spoken like an INTP?  Dammit!  I can't win at this, can I?

Bari Jo

Guess I'm the only one who is INTJ so far :)

INFP. I seem to always get that result.

Lots of INFPs as usual.  The question is whether:
1. Being trans increases one's chance of being INFP?
2. INFPs are more likely to become trans?
3. Introverts are more likely to engage in Internet forums such as this since they find less enjoyment than extroverts in external social activities?

I'll bet that #3 is a big part of these results.  #1 probably contributes too.


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Correlation does not imply causation.
:icon_dance:

Quote from: Deborah on November 20, 2017, 11:12:58 AM
Lots of INFPs as usual.  The question is whether:
1. Being trans increases one's chance of being INFP?
2. INFPs are more likely to become trans?
3. Introverts are more likely to engage in Internet forums such as this since they find less enjoyment than extroverts in external social activities?

I'll bet that #3 is a big part of these results.  #1 probably contributes too.

I feel as though if you go through life feeling like you have to hide your true self, it would definitely lend to scoring on the introverted side on these sorts of things, with natural variation between F and T. I do think this particular test may have some bias towards INFP compared to some though.

I got
"Your personality type is:
Advocate (INFJ-t)".

I gather that the website 16personalities invented the -t to mean "turbulent" as opposed to -a for "assertive".  That seems fair enough in my case.

If INFJ is the rarest personality type in the general population, it is interesting that as I write, it is the second most numerous personality type in the Susan's Place poll.

ISTP


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Campaigner. ENFP-A.

That is me. The only one so far...

INFP-T

Interesting topic.

It would be very interesting to see how much one might change throughout transition.

Mine has remained consistent since 2006 when I was at university and being the fake alpha male. I guess deep down I was always caring.

Quote from: Sarah leah on November 20, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
Mine has remained consistent since 2006 when I was at university and being the fake alpha male. I guess deep down I was always caring.

You may have a point. I've always been an argumentative ENTP. Once a bitch, always a bitch, I suppose.

I tested as an ENFP when I was in college but that was 35 years ago.  I just took an online test and now I test as on the borderline for introversion/extroversion, and I test as a judger rather than a perceiver, but I think that is largely because of law school and 28 years of practicing law.  You have to make a lot of quick decisions and manage a lot of deadlines as a lawyer, and that seems to have changed me a bit.  But I am still an NF, and I seem to be awfully close to the INFP type that others say is commonest in the transgender community.

Quote from: Roll on November 19, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
I just took this one and actually got INFP when as I said before I always get INTP. Redid another test and was still INTP. I think it's this specific test weighting something between the two differently.

I was very close on the F/T 51%/49%. Didn't save the results, but this was a test I took before. I remember the cartoon pics of the various personalities. I do still think identifying as trans made me more feeling. I think empathizing with many of the stories posted here and other trans sites had a lot to do with this.

Okay so I just took the linked test.  Still INTP.  This time with a -T.  Slight changes to previous tests in that I read as slightly less introverted and much more P than J, whereas before I was towing the line between those two.  I didn't really expect it to change, but I'm bored so I did it anyway.

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Here's an interesting thing... https://www.careerplanner.com/MB2/TypeInPopulation.cfm

So while this is hardly a scientific study of course, and we are a skewed sample to begin with hanging out on an online forum taking random personality tests, we seem to be overwhelmingly consisting of rarer types, with the most common type having a frequency of zero in the sample at the moment. This means nothing, but it's anecdotally interesting.

I often do wonder if the introversion part is because I'm trans. I mean seriously, I went through a long period of self censoring my words and actions because when I didn't people said I was gay ...

Yes, cause or effect?

Quote from: VeronicaLynn on November 20, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
I often do wonder if the introversion part is because I'm trans.

Quote from: Lancastrian on November 21, 2017, 01:42:28 AM
Yes, cause or effect?

I seriously doubt if being an introvert can make you trans.  The best evidence suggests that we are born trans.

I can readily believe that being trans can make you an introvert.  It certainly made me want to shut my mouth and leave any large gathering of people.

Apparently I'm infj haven't even hurd of this test before can someone enlighten me on what this means?

Quote from: Shambles on November 21, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
Apparently I'm infj haven't even hurd of this test before can someone enlighten me on what this means?

It tells you the characteristics of your personality.  Look up INFJ for detailed descriptions.

For me, INFP, the descriptions seem pretty accurate.


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Quote from: Deborah on November 21, 2017, 09:27:46 AM
the descriptions seem pretty accurate.

I've never actually looked at these results until yesterday, I was surprised how accurate they were with me too.

Bari Jo

Interesting.   A few years ago, I was a solid INTJ, hidden away in every sense.

Now, I get ENFJ-T, which sort of makes sense given that I have discovered my inner activist, and am spending more and more time doing lectures, presentations, and now media interviews [emoji5].

That's quite a change over the past few years.  I wonder what could have happened to do this?  [emoji56]


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Just curious, is anyone else really coming in on the threshold on any categories?

In my boredom I've been playing with this test and some others the past few days, and found that I constantly jump between the T and J even within the same test with only a very minor variation in answers (a slightly different degree of agree/disagree, but consistent on whether or not it is agree or disagree to begin with). (I is always like 96% though, so that's amusing, heh. N always 80%+.)

Quote from: Deborah on November 21, 2017, 09:27:46 AM
It tells you the characteristics of your personality.  Look up INFJ for detailed descriptions.

For me, INFP, the descriptions seem pretty accurate.

Unfortunately, they do tend to have a very horoscope vibe though, with the descriptions general enough that multiple can apply to most people. Going with what I mentioned above, all 4 of the variations I've been seeing describe me accurately for instance.

There is a good bit of the Barnum effect going on.

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Quote from: Roll on November 21, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
Just curious, is anyone else really coming in on the threshold on any categories?

In my boredom I've been playing with this test and some others the past few days, and found that I constantly jump between the T and J even within the same test with only a very minor variation in answers (a slightly different degree of agree/disagree, but consistent on whether or not it is agree or disagree to begin with). (I is always like 96% though, so that's amusing, heh. N always 80%+.)

My results are always pretty consistent.  I just took it to get a score and it was Introvert(88%)  iNtuitive(34%)  Feeling(9%)  Perceiving(12%).  I think I'm pretty evenly matched between INFP and INTP when I read the descriptions of each of the letters.  I imagine that in addition to whatever we may have been born with that lifetime training and experience also has an effect.  In my case an engineering degree and 20 years in the Army may have moved the F closer to T. 

http://understandmyersbriggs.blogspot.com/p/description-of-8-letters.html?m=1



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Quote from: Shambles on November 21, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
Apparently I'm infj haven't even hurd of this test before can someone enlighten me on what this means?

Just read up on it and horiscope or not its pritty good. Nails me

According to the linked test, ENFP-A (campaigner)

E:53%
N:55%
F:63%
P:69%
A:64%

I really think the result will depend on how one is feeling at the moment...

The head of the therapists' association to which I belong suggests that while perhaps statistically significant, tests like this should in principle be ignored when actually dealing with clients. The fact that people tend to be influenced by what they're told can often obstruct change.

Still, I think they are fun as long as one doesn't take them as absolute truth.

Quote from: Deborah on November 20, 2017, 11:12:58 AM
Lots of INFPs as usual.  The question is whether:
1. Being trans increases one's chance of being INFP?
2. INFPs are more likely to become trans?
3. Introverts are more likely to engage in Internet forums such as this since they find less enjoyment than extroverts in external social activities?

I voted ENTP because that's what I was tested as back in the 90's when I was a man and ran an engineering company and had a little boy and really acted the role as best I could. I have always been highly compensated on the E/I spectrum as I'm part artist and part engineer. It's def made easier for men to be E. Being socialized male I also tested T over F (that get's beat into you at engineering school). Borderline though now. I'm definitely IN(F/T)P with the F/T being more like a mode switch. That comes in handy; I can be sincerely empathic one minute and calculatingly logical the next. I agree that INFP and trans are related somehow.

I got INFP-T Mediator.

Answered lots of questions in the middle

Description says guided by principles rather than logic and practicality.  I'd say they are relatively equal.

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Quote from: Roll on November 20, 2017, 10:10:40 PM
Here's an interesting thing... https://www.careerplanner.com/MB2/TypeInPopulation.cfm

So while this is hardly a scientific study of course, and we are a skewed sample to begin with hanging out on an online forum taking random personality tests, we seem to be overwhelmingly consisting of rarer types, with the most common type having a frequency of zero in the sample at the moment. This means nothing, but it's anecdotally interesting.

It is interesting. The problem with tests is that they're limited in dimension. I suppose one could take several tests. To get a better picture, but then there is some interpretation. Not too many ISTP's here. Go harry Tuttle and The Fonz!


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I just re-did the test, using the test linked in the first post.  (I used a different one before.)  This one shows me as ISFP-T.  All my scores were in the 50-60% range, so kind of indeterminate, except Feeling was 68%.  I was INFP the last time.

If everyone will forgive my putting my ENTP hat on, it seems hopelessly reductionistic to categorize all people into 16 (or on this version, 32) non-overlapping categories.

I'm not saying that elements of the descriptions can't ring true, even very true. Heaven knows, ENTP describes the kind of person I aspire to be.

But in Myers-Briggs, we're using four independent binary variables to slice ourselves into sixteen segments. That is, whether you're an E is supposed to have nothing to do with whether you're an N, and neither should have any sway over whether you're a T or a P.

But if they were really independent, every segment should be equally common. Yet they aren't. There's a lot more E/ISFJ than E/INTP That kinda suggests that Myers and Briggs already had their categories defined before they set out.

Well, shoot. If M-B already had it all set up, it's not like they were doing anything but intuitive guesswork at best, and at one's most cynical, one might accuse them of simply developing something that would sell a lot of books.

And anyway, people are complicated. Sometimes I'm E, sometimes I. Sometimes S, sometimes N. Depends on my mood, the situation, my company, what's appropriate, the information I have, and so forth. I can be ENTP, but I can be all the others, too.

So me, I enjoy tests like Myers-Briggs. They're fun, and to the extent they cause me some introspection, that can't but be all to the good. Yet I can't take them all that seriously, and I'm certainly not going to imagine that I'm only one type.

It's been a busy week so I haven't been on much, sorry.
The house is clean now and the stuffing is done, I can relax a little. 😁 Until 5:30 tomorrow morning that is. I am completely ready for the company tomorrow though so...
The turkey needs to go....
No Michelle, it's going to be fine. Lol 😆
Actually I love cooking and company so I haven't been this happy in a long time, just busy.

Back to the thread.

The test and descriptions ARE vague to an extent. It is NOT good science but our lives are not lived in a test tube or an equation written in chalk on a blackboard are they. It is interesting and fun plus a little more. For myself most every other description is nothing like me and the one I fit in is almost spot on. It is not who I am but feeling like I was part of an alien race my whole life it felt, well it felt just like 4 years ago when I learned what transsexual was and I knew that I was not alone. So it's not to change lives, just a curiosity.

I would like to point out though that because it is not perfect is no reason to believe that it is not useful. Fenugreek has been used for thousands of years for new mothers but I had a friend argue that it is useless as a supplement for me or anyone. Interesting. I wonder if 2,000 Years ago they knew that the sapogenins in it were not enough to be helpful.
Astrology, not horoscopes, is something that people laugh at me about a lot when the subject comes up. I know and I agree. Come on, who would believe that just because a heavenly body moves the larges surface of the planet back and forth twice every day it would have any effect at all on a tiny fetus sloshing around in its little mommy baby's tank?

😊 I find it interesting is all. This is a very small group but I think that it is amazing that % wise it is almost reverse of the general population. There is nothing tangible to be taken away from the poll just as there is nothing tangible to be taken away from the test, not really. I was expecting a difference but not one of that size, just one more thing for me to think about.

Thank you all so much for taking the test and participating in the poll. I hope that you have all found it as fun and interesting as I have. 😊

Michelle

The one major problem I have with these tests in general.
Is they ALWAYS over emphasize how many INTP, INFJ, INFPs there are.

Supposedly the most rarest personalities, always end up being the most dominant on polls, regardless of what the poll is about.  Even just on Myers Briggs sites in general.  Waaay more INTP's than you should ever see in the wild.

The reason for that is internet usage. 
INFP, INFJ, and INTP are all introverted internet dwellers. 
We get most of our social interaction from the internet, hence any polls will ALWAYS skew the numbers in our favor, due to this natural correlation.

Its kinda like going to a loud bar or social gathering, and asking everyone their Myers Briggs. 
You'll find an overabundance of ESFP, ESFJ, ESTJ by natural correlation.
The INFP, INTP, INFJ's likely wont even feature.

The simple conclusion is, we can't trust these polls, unless we ask both respective crowds the same question, in different settings :)

INFJ-T. Kind of surprising. I've never taken one of these before, but I'd bet I used to be INTJ at least before HRT.

Yay! INFJ is at 14 joint leader with INFP.  If this turns out to reflect the general trans population, it could show that trans people tend to have personalities differing from those of cis people.

Quote from: MaryT on November 23, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
Yay! INFJ is at 14 joint leader with INFP.  If this turns out to reflect the general trans population, it could show that trans people tend to have personalities differing from those of cis people.

The skew towards IN-- is what I find most interesting rather than one of the four IN-- types. I mean The F/T P/J seems reasonably distributed without a larger sample, but the IN-- group is just pulling further away at almost a full 3 quarters of responses, which is becoming statistically more relevant, at least as an indicator warranting additional study. It does beg the question if it is because of our sample (people who spend time on the internet taking quizzes ;D) or because of being trans (which could definitely drive an internalized personality), or a combination of the two(most likely).

Another INFP here, sending us into the lead :P

I've just done the test and everything seems to relate to me, except for when it comes to the strengths and weaknesses. A lot of the strengths were things I didn't feel I did :/ I don't know how I feel about these tests because sometimes I think they fit perfectly and sometimes they barely fit at all.

In other news I'm 96% introverted which seems about right!!

I ended up with the ISFJ-A or Defender personality.  Ive tried this test before and had another result though and both times I'ved answered honestly.  But with that said, both separate tests were neither all me though they both highlighted a part of me that I have noticed in myself.

Maybe If I retook the test and copied the ones I most related to from each section, I could end up forming my own personality type. ^_^

INJF-A/T

Heh.

INFJ-T here.

Funny this topic came up! I just took the test last week for the therapist me and my wife are seeing.

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Quote from: KathyLauren on November 22, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
I just re-did the test, using the test linked in the first post.  (I used a different one before.)  This one shows me as ISFP-T.  All my scores were in the 50-60% range, so kind of indeterminate, except Feeling was 68%.  I was INFP the last time.

  You and me Kathy, you and me.
Adventurer (ISFP-t) (though the poll only show 1 of us)
My scores were:
Mind       Introverted     65%
Energy   Observant      65%
Nature    Feeling          68%
Tactics    Prospecting    68%
Identity  Turbulent       79%

I haven't taken the test since college many, many years ago, and I don't remember where I was then. I used the link and found that I'm now a INFJ. I'm not sure where that places me in the poll, but the results sure seemed to fit at this time. Applause for the introverts of the world  :) 

Quote from: zirconia on November 21, 2017, 05:04:54 PM
I really think the result will depend on how one is feeling at the moment...

The head of the therapists' association to which I belong suggests that while perhaps statistically significant, tests like this should in principle be ignored when actually dealing with clients. The fact that people tend to be influenced by what they're told can often obstruct change.

Still, I think they are fun as long as one doesn't take them as absolute truth.

I think there's a lot of truth in what you're saying zirconia.  It is interesting though.

I guess I'm an INFP-T too.

Mind       Introverted     53%
Energy    Intuitive         70%
Nature    Feeling           60%
Tactics    Prospecting    75%
Identity   Turbulent       83%

Take care,
Paige 😊

INFP-T

Quote from: Deborah on November 20, 2017, 11:12:58 AM
Lots of INFPs as usual.  The question is whether:
1. Being trans increases one's chance of being INFP?
2. INFPs are more likely to become trans?
3. Introverts are more likely to engage in Internet forums such as this since they find less enjoyment than extroverts in external social activities?

I'll bet that #3 is a big part of these results.  #1 probably contributes too.


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Kind of the old question
Which came first?
The chicken sandwich. Egg salad. Or the omelet?

I've done this test several times over a few years now and always get INTJ "architect" or occasionally INTP "logician"

ENTJ....the Commander.  I have had positions of commanding all of my career, but hated being the boss.  I like to think I was successful because of the loyalty from my employees, who I would work alongside.  I was also a listener and knew other insights were part of the success of us all.  That in effect made us all part of commanding towards the end result.
Deep...Jessica