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Community Conversation => Transitioning => Hormone replacement therapy => Topic started by: Cassi on March 23, 2018, 03:23:27 PM

Title: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 23, 2018, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Allison S on March 23, 2018, 02:21:05 PM
I usually don't like pictures at all but recently, with my face softening and rounding out, I don't them as much. I just love estrogen [emoji173] even though I might get a blood clot and die

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Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2016
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Cause of Death    Odds of Dying
Heart Disease    1 in 6
Cancer    1 in 7
Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease    1 in 27
Suicide    1 in 91
Motor Vehicle Crash    1 in 102
Opioid pain killers    1 in 109
Fall    1 in 119
Gun Assault    1 in 285
Pedestrian Incident    1 in 561
Motorcyclist    1 in 846
Drowning    1 in 1,086
Fire or Smoke    1 in 1,506
Choking on Food    1 in 3,138
Bicyclist    1 in 4,050
Accidental Gun Discharge    1 in 8,305
Sunstroke    1 in 8,976
Electrocution, Radiation, Extreme Temperatures and Pressure    1 in 14,630
Sharp objects    1 in 27,407
Hornet, wasp and bee stings    1 in 54,093
Hot surfaces and substances    1 in 56,316
Cataclysmic Storm    1 in 62,288
Lightning    1 in 114,195
Dog attack    1 in 132,614
Railway passenger    1 in 178,741
Passenger on an airplane    1 in 205,552

Source: National Safety Council estimates based on data from National Center for Health Statistics—Mortality Data for 2015, as compiled from data provided by the 57 vital statistics jurisdictions through the Vital Statistics Cooperative Program.  Population and life expectancy data are from the U.S. Census Bureau. Deaths are classified on the basis of the Tenth Revision of the World Health Organization's "The International Classification of Diseases" (ICD). Numbers following titles refer to External Cause of Morbidity and Mortality classifications in ICD-10.
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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 23, 2018, 03:24:11 PM
Nope, didn't see one thing about Estradiol!
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 23, 2018, 03:26:18 PM
Odds Of Death In The United States By Selected Cause Of Injury, 2014 (1)

Cause of death    Number of deaths,
2014    One-year
odds    Lifetime
odds
Unintentional poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances    42,032    7,586    96
All motor vehicle accidents    35,398    9,008    114
     Car occupants    6,274    50,822    645
     Motorcycle riders    4,106    77,656    985
     Pedestrian incident    6,258    50,952    647
Assault by firearm    10,945    29,133    370
Exposure to smoke, fire and flames    2,701    118,051    1,498
Fall on and from stairs and steps    2,285    139,544    1,771
Drowning and submersion while in or falling into swimming pool    701    454,860    5,772
Firearms discharge (accidental)    586    544,125    6,905
Fall on and from ladder or scaffolding    525    607,347    7,707
Air and space transport accidents    412    773,925    9,821
Earthquake and other earth movements    86    3,707,640    47,051
Cataclysmic storm (2)    61    5,227,165    66,335
Bitten or struck by dog    36    8,857,140    112,400
Lightning    25    12,754,282    161,856
Flood    8    39,857,132    505,801

(1) Based on fatalities and life expectancy in 2015. Ranked by deaths in 2014.
(2) Includes hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, dust storms and other cataclysmic storms.

Source: National Center for Health Statistics; National Safety Council.
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: KayXo on March 24, 2018, 08:15:16 AM
I mean...half the world population has been on estrogen for at least 4-5 decades...soooo....and pregnant women, very, very high levels of estradiol!
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Chelsea on March 24, 2018, 09:45:24 AM
I put off starting my transition a few years because of all the horror stories on HRT. I kept hearing stories about
people dieing of strokes or blood clots. That stopped me in my tracks because, I am one of those people that hits
their toe on a table leg and thinks I have cancer now. On my first doctors appointment I ask the doctor "have you ever had a patient die from anything relating to HRT?" She said "In my 8 years of practice, No."
I feel safe with it now. lol

Hugs,
     Chelsea

Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Deborah on March 24, 2018, 10:00:11 AM
If you are worried about it then it's easy enough to lower the odds to near zero with some other positive lifestyle changes.


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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: DawnOday on March 24, 2018, 10:15:26 AM
I'm on warfarin so that is why I was allowed to begin. On a prophylactic note. Aspirin may be all you need. Ask the Doc.
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
Now that the aspirin was mentioned, I remember the first doctor telling me about taking one which I was already doing. 
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: Chelsea1807 on March 24, 2018, 09:45:24 AM
I put off starting my transition a few years because of all the horror stories on HRT. I kept hearing stories about
people dieing of strokes or blood clots. That stopped me in my tracks because, I am one of those people that hits
their toe on a table leg and thinks I have cancer now. On my first doctors appointment I ask the doctor "have you ever had a patient die from anything relating to HRT?" She said "In my 8 years of practice, No."
I feel safe with it now. lol

Hugs,
     Chelsea

If the threat was that prevalent wouldn't there be less of us, lol :)
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Chelsea on March 24, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
Quote from: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 11:01:47 AM
If the threat was that prevalent wouldn't there be less of us, lol :)

Right. :)  I'm fine, I was just saying how much of a hypochondriac I am sometimes.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: Chelsea1807 on March 24, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
Right. :)  I'm fine, I was just saying how much of a hypochondriac I am sometimes.   :laugh:

My sister was/is like that.  A new disease comes out and she's the first one on the block with it! 
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Chloe on March 24, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: Chelsea1807 on March 24, 2018, 09:45:24 AM
I put off starting my transition a few years because of all the horror stories on HRT.

Seriously? After forty(40) years on/off/on again HRT . . . .

We Are Still Here! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaq3mFrXy6Y&list=RDaaq3mFrXy6Y&index=1)
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Northern Star Girl on March 24, 2018, 04:57:48 PM
I have been successfully on HRT with fairly good results for over 3 years now....  I am enjoying the full-time female lifestyle and as far as I am concerned it is well worth any risks...... the best time of my life for sure.
.... and the good news is that I have not picked out a casket yet....  perhaps cremation however when it is my time?
Danielle
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on March 24, 2018, 04:57:48 PM
I have been successfully on HRT with fairly good results for over 3 years now....  I am enjoying the full-time female lifestyle and as far as I am concerned it is well worth any risks...... the best time of my life for sure.
.... and the good news is that I have not picked out a casket yet....  perhaps cremation however when it is my time?
Danielle

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: DawnOday on March 24, 2018, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on March 24, 2018, 04:57:48 PM
I have been successfully on HRT with fairly good results for over 3 years now....  I am enjoying the full-time female lifestyle and as far as I am concerned it is well worth any risks...... the best time of my life for sure.
.... and the good news is that I have not picked out a casket yet....  perhaps cremation however when it is my time?
Danielle

I'm donating my body to University of Washington for research and surgical practice. I hope my brain can be used for research for what makes us the way we are, After they are done they will cremate my body and return the ashes to my family.
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Allison S on March 24, 2018, 05:14:28 PM
It's not the worst way to die. I mean hopefully it doesn't happen but surely we always take chances.

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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Northern Star Girl on March 24, 2018, 05:18:17 PM
Quote from: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 05:00:55 PM
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Cassi:
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm   ???

I can't believe that you are at a loss for words.
Danielle
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on March 24, 2018, 05:18:17 PM
Cassi:
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm   ???

I can't believe that you are at a loss for words.
Danielle

LOL.  I'm just awestruck by my niece's acceptance and revelation earlier.
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: AnonyMs on March 24, 2018, 06:11:00 PM
Suicide attempt rate in the trans community is around 40%. I'd be a lot more concerned about not being on hrt.
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Ellement_of_Freedom on March 24, 2018, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: AnonyMs on March 24, 2018, 06:11:00 PM
Suicide attempt rate in the trans community is around 40%. I'd be a lot more concerned about not being on hrt.

This!
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Chelsea on March 24, 2018, 07:33:27 PM
Quote from: Kiera on March 24, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
Seriously? After forty(40) years on/off/on again HRT . . . .


I have never been on HRT until a few weeks ago..  :)
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: Chelsea1807 on March 24, 2018, 07:33:27 PM
I have never been on HRT until a few weeks ago..  :)

That's great!  That means you'll have at least 40 years :)
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Devlyn on March 24, 2018, 08:01:40 PM
"Odds of dying from HRT"

Oh, the humanity!

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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 24, 2018, 08:01:40 PM
"Odds of dying from HRT"

Oh, the humanity!

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Aha!  The CAUSE of dying from HRT!!!!!!

Oh the Hindenburg!
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Kylo on March 24, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
Well the GPs sure like telling me there's a certain risk factor of death from HRT, but it's not really death from HRT is it - it's the increased risk of death from organ failures, strokes, high BP, heart disease, liver complications etc. that testosterone fails to protect against (or slightly exacerbates). The hormone itself isn't known for killing anybody.

So I'm not seeing my odds of keeling over go up much provided I take care of myself in other areas and don't abuse the gear. The lower life expectancy of men compared to women is probably more due to a) more risk-taking (or dumb) behavior or b) more men doing more physically dangerous or detrimental professions on the whole than anything significant to do with their hormonal make-up.

I haven't felt better in decades since HRT to be honest. I feel like I'm 19 all over again.

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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Devlyn on March 24, 2018, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Kylo on March 24, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
Well the GPs sure like telling me there's a certain risk factor of death from HRT, but it's not really death from HRT is it - it's the increased risk of death from organ failures, strokes, high BP, heart disease, liver complications etc. that testosterone fails to protect against (or slightly exacerbates). The hormone itself isn't known for killing anybody.

So I'm not seeing my odds of keeling over go up much provided I take care of myself in other areas and don't abuse the gear. The lower life expectancy of men compared to women is probably more due to a) more risk-taking (or dumb) behavior or b) more men doing more physically dangerous or detrimental professions on the whole than anything significant to do with their hormonal make-up.

I haven't felt better in decades since HRT to be honest. I feel like I'm 19 all over again.

If I fail to log in after this these were my famous last words.

That may or may not explain the average lifespan of men, but women own the top ten oldest people list. There's not a man on it. Surely there'd be one smart bloke that never put his finger in a light socket or smoked cigarettes that would crash that list?  ;D

PS Hope you log back in!
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 08:39:03 PM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 24, 2018, 08:36:43 PM
That may or may not explain the average lifespan of men, but women own the top ten oldest people list. There's not a man on it. Surely there'd be one smart bloke that never put his finger in a light socket or smoked cigarettes that would crash that list?  ;D

PS Hope you log back in!

And now, ladies and gentlemen, arriving from out of the blue is Miss Devyl Marie, first to beat the top ten - the torch has been taken!!!!!!! :)
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Kylo on March 24, 2018, 08:52:07 PM
I don't know how true this is, but there's supposed to be an Indonesian dude who's pushing 145 according to a newspaper, born in 1870 (148). I'm a bit skeptical of the numerical details, but he sure looks ancient.

I think women just take better care of themselves in general too. They seem to think more about their bodies and check stuff out more, they go to the doctors more often and don't tend to hold off till they're practically dying of something like guys do before they'll go see a doc (guilty). I suppose there could be all sorts of reasons.
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Cassi on March 24, 2018, 08:55:11 PM
Quote from: Kylo on March 24, 2018, 08:52:07 PM
I don't know how true this is, but there's supposed to be an Indonesian dude who's pushing 145 according to a newspaper, born in 1870 (148). I'm a bit skeptical of the numerical details, but he sure looks ancient.

I think women just take better care of themselves in general. They seem to think more about their bodies, they go to the doctors more often and don't tend to hold off till they're practically dying of something like guys do before they'll go see a doc. I suppose there could be all sorts of reasons.

Well, we'll all have to go to Florida and drink out of the Fountain of Youth or is it the Fountain of HRT, I forget - need to take my memory water :)
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Megan. on March 25, 2018, 07:23:12 AM
As medical science continues to extend lifespans, it's probably true to say that at some point, stupidity will become the leading cause of death [emoji23]

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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: TonyaW on March 25, 2018, 07:39:02 AM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 24, 2018, 08:01:40 PM
"Odds of dying from HRT"

Oh, the humanity!

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One if my unfunny jokes has been when leaving somewhere to say "see you tomorrow, unless I get hit by a bus"

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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Chloe on March 25, 2018, 08:22:26 AM
Odds of Dying from Doctors, the "medical community":

Quote from: dated MAY 22, 2017Within the same hospital, elderly patients had higher death rates when they were treated by older physicians than when younger doctors cared for them, a recent study concludes.
Quote from: gov funded programs?. . . bad hospital care contributed to the deaths of 180,000 patients in Medicare alone in a given year.

           We 'ave "insurance" they have "insurance" WHO really gains from what has really been considered "standard practice" for as long as I can remember?

"Medical Errors Are Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S."
QuoteMedical errors are an "epidemic" that claim hundreds of thousands of lives annually, according to a new analysis
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: TonyaW on March 25, 2018, 09:25:52 AM
If it's a blood clot that worries you, that risk was associated  with Premarin (which I hope no one is taking for any reason anymore) and the types used in birth control pills.   The risk with estradiol is practically nil and the warnings are only there because of the other drugs. 

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Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: KayXo on March 25, 2018, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: TonyaW on March 25, 2018, 09:25:52 AM
If it's a blood clot that worries you, that risk was associated  with Premarin (which I hope no one is taking for any reason anymore) and the types used in birth control pills.   The risk with estradiol is practically nil and the warnings are only there because of the other drugs.

Exactly that. Inform yourself and soon enough, your fears will be allayed.
Title: Re: Odds of Dying From HRT
Post by: Miharu Barbie on March 25, 2018, 12:39:43 PM
In 3 months I will have been on Estrodial Valerate for 20 years without a break!  That is a hell of a lot of sharp needles I've jabbed into my buttocks over the decades!

At age 53 I have no health concerns. I am healthy, happy, and full of energy and vitality.

And seriously, let's face it, we all must die of something, no exceptions.  When I'm done acting a fool on this planet, I plan to leave this body behind anyway. Amen and pass the syringe!

Love,
Miharu