I just feel taller and when I'm around friends I noticed I'm taller than I remember.
Even with my brother, he's older than me and always has been a few inches taller. Now it doesn't seem like much at all.
I'm scared mtf hrt made me taller.
Or maybe it's because I feel like I'm tall. I'm not sure anymore.
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Quote from: Allison S on July 24, 2018, 08:50:49 PM
I just feel taller and when I'm around friends I noticed I'm taller than I remember.
Even with my brother, he's older than me and always has been a few inches taller. Now it doesn't seem like much at all.
I'm scared mtf hrt made me taller.
Or maybe it's because I feel like I'm tall. I'm not sure anymore.
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It could be that maybe you're not taller maybe you're more proud and happy so you stand more straight up and that can actually make you seem taller
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HRT made me shrink :/
No it won't make you taller if you've already reached the end of puberty. My vote is going to have to be that your posture has improved... confidence will do that. Both of which (confidence and posture) are wonderful things. Stand tall and be proud girl!
Even though my bones get thinner I seem to still be growing... in my 40's. And my hips are still widening, my feet even growing. Don't ask me, my entire biology is screwed up.
If your epiphyseal plates didn't seal right, then its entirely possible HRT can make you grow more.
Quote from: Doreen on July 24, 2018, 09:21:49 PM
Even though my bones get thinner I seem to still be growing... in my 40's. And my hips are still widening, my feet even growing. Don't ask me, my entire biology is screwed up.
If your epiphyseal plates didn't seal right, then its entirely possible HRT can make you grow more.
Well that is so interesting I'm already 6 foot tall I really hope I don't get any taller in fact I would be happy shrinking a couple of inches
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on July 24, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
Well that is so interesting I'm already 6 foot tall I really hope I don't get any taller in fact I would be happy shrinking a couple of inches
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Ya I was 6'1 3/4" about 5 years ago. Apparently I'm 6'3 now.. Went from size 9 to 11w shoes too. ITs ... annoying.
HRT is unlikely to make you taller, but you may have better posture than you did. I find it easier now to suck my gut in, which makes me stand straighter and has the benefit of making my boobs more visible. So I tend to stand taller now than I used to, even without any actual growth.
It could be just a normal growth spurt. But if you are taller you should feel awesome about it!!! At least you're not stuck with me under the 5' 2 mark. 😰😠
Quote from: Doreen on July 24, 2018, 09:47:02 PM
Ya I was 6'1 3/4" about 5 years ago. Apparently I'm 6'3 now.. Went from size 9 to 11w shoes too. ITs ... annoying.
Hi Doreen,
As we age our feet change. For most people, they both widen and lengthen. It's generally not from actual growth but more from stretching and flattening. As we age, our ligaments and tendons start to loose some of their elasticity as well as begin to stretch. We put a lot of stress on our feet and they literally take a pounding every day. In our early 20's my spouse & I wore the same size shoe - 9W in most styles, 10 with pointy-toed shoes. Not so much anymore...
In my case, I am losing height... I am 5 ft 4 inches now...
... before transition I was "almost" 5 ft 5 inches.
Also my shoe size is smaller by a half size...
Perhaps it is just because I am getting older????
Danielle
Quote from: Doreen on July 24, 2018, 09:21:49 PM
Even though my bones get thinner I seem to still be growing... in my 40's. And my hips are still widening, my feet even growing. Don't ask me, my entire biology is screwed up.
If your epiphyseal plates didn't seal right, then its entirely possible HRT can make you grow more.
I have read that boys castrated before puberty became especially tall because testosterone was needed to seal those plates. I have sometimes wondered whether testosterone blockers can have the same effect when used before puberty, and whether female hormones stop that growth by simulating female puberty.
Certainly, some young trans women who were given puberty blockers seem rather tall to me.
Quote from: MaryT on July 25, 2018, 03:20:44 PM
I have read that boys castrated before puberty became especially tall because testosterone was needed to seal those plates. I have sometimes wondered whether testosterone blockers can have the same effect when used before puberty, and whether female hormones stop that growth by simulating female puberty.
Certainly, some young trans women who were given puberty blockers seem rather tall to me.
@MaryT Very interesting, I did not know that..
But, of course everyone looks very tall to me... and I can wear the highest heels and still be the shortest one among my friends.
Hugs,
Danielle
Quote from: MaryT on July 25, 2018, 03:20:44 PM
I have read that boys castrated before puberty became especially tall because testosterone was needed to seal those plates. I have sometimes wondered whether testosterone blockers can have the same effect when used before puberty, and whether female hormones stop that growth by simulating female puberty.
Certainly, some young trans women who were given puberty blockers seem rather tall to me.
As I'm intersexed and my testosterone was always abysmally low (as was my estrogen in perimenopausal ranges forever, since they were first measured)... that's what I surmise happened to me. You hit the nail on the head on that one. I'm taller than anyone anywhere in my entire known family & lineage.
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on July 25, 2018, 03:26:33 PM
@MaryT
Very interesting, I did not know that..
But, of course everyone looks very tall to me... and I can wear the highest heels and still be the shortest one among my friends.
Hugs,
Danielle
There is nothing wrong with being short sometimes the best things come in small packages [emoji6]
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on July 25, 2018, 03:49:56 PM
There is nothing wrong with being short sometimes the best things come in small packages [emoji6]
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@Arianna Valentine Gosh... I have never heard that before !!!!! ;) 8)
I like wearing my high heels but where I live that is not a common occurrence and the weather does not always permit it.
Ahhh, The joys of living in a small remote town.... but at my office, particularly in good weather you will find me with a dress or skirt and heels... I can get paid for bigger bills that I send to my clients that way... LOL :)
Perhaps that is why I seem to attract a few suitors, many of the women here almost never wear a dress or a skirt and definitely not heels... at least not very often. Suitor #4 is about the only one that seems to dress up nicely.
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on July 25, 2018, 04:16:18 PM
@Arianna Valentine
Gosh... I have never heard that before !!!!! ;) 8)
I like wearing my high heels but where I live that is not a common occurrence and the weather does not always permit it.
Ahhh, The joys of living in a small remote town.... but at my office, particularly in good weather you will find me with a dress or skirt and heels... I can get paid for bigger bills that I send to my clients that way... LOL :)
Perhaps that is why I seem to attract a few suitors, many of the women here almost never wear a dress or a skirt and definitely not heels... at least not very often. Suitor #4 is about the only one that seems to dress up nicely.
Danielle
I myself don't wear dresses often usually important things to me you know of an important therapist visit or doctor's visit at least one that I consider important but I do wear heels like whenever I get the chance I especially like the wedges because he can get a little bit better balance on them
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Quote from: Doreen on July 25, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: MaryT on July 25, 2018, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: Doreen on July 24, 2018, 09:21:49 PM
Even though my bones get thinner I seem to still be growing... in my 40's. And my hips are still widening, my feet even growing. Don't ask me, my entire biology is screwed up.
If your epiphyseal plates didn't seal right, then its entirely possible HRT can make you grow more.
I have read that boys castrated before puberty became especially tall because testosterone was needed to seal those plates. I have sometimes wondered whether testosterone blockers can have the same effect when used before puberty, and whether female hormones stop that growth by simulating female puberty.
Certainly, some young trans women who were given puberty blockers seem rather tall to me.
As I'm intersexed and my testosterone was always abysmally low (as was my estrogen in perimenopausal ranges forever, since they were first measured)... that's what I surmise happened to me. You hit the nail on the head on that one. I'm taller than anyone anywhere in my entire known family & lineage.
Answers dot com gives an interesting explanation of the effects of estrogen and testosterone on the epiphyseal plates. It is estrogen that seals them but at puberty in boys, testosterone CONVERTED into estrogen does the job. Ironically, boys castrated before puberty lacked estrogen BECAUSE they lacked testosterone:
Why are eunuchs taller? (http://www.answers.com/Q/Why_are_eunuchs_taller)
The following is on the same subject but I think that there is no additional information:
Why do boys that are castrated before puberty have greater average height (https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/why-do-boys-that-are-castrated-before-puberty-have-greater-average-height.450909/)
Both articles confirm that estrogen seals the plates although, I think, the second does not mention the conversion.
It does look to me as though trans girls given T-blockers at the start of puberty COULD become unnecessarily tall if they are not started on estrogen at the same time. However, I gather that doctors DO NOT usually prescribe estrogen to early pubescent trans girls at the same time as they prescribe T-blockers, and sometimes not for years afterwards!
HRT did not make me taller. Before HRT I was almost 5'5" and after 3 1/2 years of HRT I now barely break 5'4". My shoe size went down ONE full size.... so for me HRT made me shrink... in lots of ways.
Hugs,
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on August 12, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
HRT did not make me taller. Before HRT I was almost 5'5" and after 3 1/2 years of HRT I now barely break 5'4". My shoe size went down ONE full size.... so for me HRT made me shrink... in lots of ways.
Hugs,
Danielle
My shoe size so better not shrink because I've got like at least eight pairs of shoes that I bought since I started hormones even before I started hormones so pissed pardon my language if I can't wear my shoes and I have to buy all new ones
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on August 12, 2018, 08:27:30 PM
My shoe size so better not shrink because I've got like at least eight pairs of shoes that I bought since I started hormones even before I started hormones so pissed pardon my language if I can't wear my shoes and I have to buy all new ones
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@Arieanna ValentineYep, being a girl can get expensive... especially being a transitioning MTF !!!!
Enjoy your transition as you continue toward your goals......
Hugs,
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on August 12, 2018, 08:33:54 PM
@Arieanna Valentine
Yep, being a girl can get expensive... especially being a transitioning MTF !!!!
Enjoy your transition as you continue toward your goals......
Hugs,
Danielle
It may be expensive but much like divorce it's worth it LMAO I had to throw a low joke in there kind of true I am divorced so I can say it and mean it
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The MTF HRT Haiku (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,225490.msg2039949.html) I posted didn't mention potential changes to height, but maybe I should have.
Quote from: Kendra on August 13, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
The MTF HRT Haiku (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,225490.msg2039949.html) I posted didn't mention potential changes to height, but maybe I should have.
@Kendra Dear Kendra: I have been following various HRT transistions for many years, and my own HRT transisiton for over 3 1/2 years and I have never heard of any MTF transistioner increasing their height.... perhaps I am in error but for me and the ones that I have followed, height either stayed the same or it shrunk somewhat.
*Q: What was your personal experience regarding your height?
Hugs,
Danielle
I have only been on HRT one year and definitely not taller now. Actually my height dropped far too much prior to HRT.
In my 20s I was 5'11" (180cm). I hadn't bothered to measure for many years, always filled in forms that way. I started seriously considering transition at age 53, measured my height and realized I was 5'7" (170cm). That was quite a shock... I had not been to a doctor in more than a decade. I immediately started looking for a GP and an endocrinologist, ordered blood tests and began the medical process of transition. My endocrinologist ordered a bone density test to set a baseline, I'll re-measure that in the next year or two. My only chronic health issue had been occasional back pain and that has now stopped.
I wasn't surprised to confirm my natural hormone levels were off. I had a choice: take testosterone or estradiol. Easy decision.
That's interesting you shrunk Kendra. Thanks for sharing. I think 5'7" is my ideal height. I'll have my doctor's assistant check my height at the end of his month and update you all.
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Quote from: AshleyP on August 13, 2018, 07:26:20 PM
Similar experience here, too. I was 5'10½" and used 5'11" most of my life. In my early 60's now and find that I'm only 5'7½". I use 5'7" now. :)
Great!! Yay [emoji1]
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I spent my adult life at 6' 5" and 298 lbs. Now I am 6'3" and 210 lbs.
Quote from: Kendra on August 13, 2018, 03:13:29 PM
My endocrinologist ordered a bone density test to set a baseline, I'll re-measure that in the next year or two. My only chronic health issue had been occasional back pain and that has now stopped.
I wasn't surprised to confirm my natural hormone levels were off. I had a choice: take testosterone or estradiol. Easy decision.
Hello Kendra
I have had bone problems since 2007 long before I decided to seek help last year on my transgender feelings.
So now I have separate Endos - one under NHS essentially for Bone Density Problems and one private GenderGP and I
have also thought it shall I say NOT surprising that my natural hormones were not typically male. My next BDS under NHS will be in April 2019 and that Endo will not know of my trans status but of course I shall tell him in April but he should know before I arrive at appointment if she checks my general NHS record (as although I am private with GenderGP, they liaise with my NHSGP)!
On a separate matter, as we both live in NW of England I have recently met and had dinner with Emma whom I believe you have also met and we had a wonderful chat and found her most inspirational.
Hugs
Pamela
emma-f (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=45843) is awesome, we met in May.
The 4in/10cm height I lost before starting transition was aesthetically fine but that rate of spine compression may have landed me in a wheelchair in another decade or two. I won't know until next year but I'm hoping for a stronger spine and slower rate of height loss.
A 2017 US NIH study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28370342) found HRT may correct or improve bone health. 2016 research (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160530190141.htm)at VU University Medical Centre in Amsterdam had similar conclusions. I need to mention we all have different starting points and backgrounds and these studies look at statistical averages.
Gender transition has improved my quality of life in so many ways.