Hi.
If you were to pick the biggest one or two things that cause you to be perceived as female by most people in your life more than anything else, would it be
Your clothing
Your body
Your hair
Your voice
Your makeup
Your jewelry
Your mannerisims
Your name, ID
Your way of relating with others
You outing yourself or having been outed by someone else
Or?
Clothing, body (boobs, specifically), and name.
Your mannerisims, and your way of relating with others. Those are the big ones.
I would have to say clothing and mannerisms
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Definitely mannerisms and the way of relating to others. For me, makeup completes it. I'm a bit of a makeup addict
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Quote from: Sky1090 on December 22, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
Definitely mannerisms and the way of relating to others. For me, makeup completes it. I'm a bit of a makeup addict
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It's funny I collect makeup I have tons of it I just don't wear it that often I even signed up for something called Ipsy that send you makeup products you pay $10 a month and they send you like 5 or 6 makeup products pretty sweet of course he usually their large trial sizes but that's okay I can deal with that
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From slightly further away definitely hair and clothing I have been gendered female purely from this but from closer up people can see the details of your face and other visual clues that make them think otherwise.
Sonja
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God I can't go out without makeup. Without it I see the remnants of what was once a beard. I do all of my makeup shopping at Sephora or Mac depending on who has the best deal at the time. I know it's expensive but it's totally worth it for me so I justify it
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For me it is hair, clothing and voice. I can go without any problems as a male, just by changing my clothing, my hair, and lower my voice!
An hour later, I just change my clothing, the way I do my hair, and use my normal voice, and I am gendered correctly as a woman!
Quote from: Sonja on December 22, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
From slightly further away definitely hair and clothing I have been gendered female purely from this but from closer up people can see the details of your face and other visual clues that make them think otherwise.
Sonja
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Yes, it really depends on the distance. There was a great writeup about this on a crossdressing site somewhere on the net at least a decade ago.
From far away, the only cues are body shape and movement and general shape of clothes. A little closer and more details of clothing and hair might be visible, then comes the face and in the end your mannerisms, voice and speech.
If you pass enough 'levels' in the eye of others as they get closer, their mind may ignore that your voice is not perfect for example as their brain already categorized you as female. But that does not guarantee that they won't try to reevaluate their views if they find that your voice really doesn't match your looks.
I found that when I dress more andro, people expect a less feminine voice and I pass as a woman even when I'm not really trying to. But if I go all out, figure hugging clothes, makeup, high heels, etc.. people expect a more feminine voice.
I remember a trans guy who didn't realize I was trans when he first saw me at a trans support group meeting. He was really surprised when I started talking because the difference between my presentation and voice was just too big at the time. He described it as confusing.
Although breathtakingly beautiful? My boats for shoes, jumbo hands, 6'3" body and 210 lbs. reminds one more of Shrek, than a female hottie. But my brain is now calm and accepting because the estradiol I take is infiltrating the brain that was formed on massive doses in utero. If I were younger I would probably not be so accepting, but honestly I have no illusions I pass. So I try to be the best me I can. Sometimes it works sometimes not so much. Sometimes the old me creeps back in and I do my best to minimize the effects.
Voice, body (petite, nearly hourglass figure), and mannerisms. I got tired of male failing so I'm growing my hair out. Now that it reaches my shoulders it seems like everyone holds the door for me.
My curves, chubby cheeks, eyes, arched eyebrows, and short wavy/curly hair.
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What I am sure it is not:
Makeup, I don't wear any.
Name, most of the world has no clue what my name is.
I don't understand outing yourself or having been outed by others. I don't know what that means in relation to your question.
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Me right now.
I don't know, it could be all of the rest, or none. I don't know about my voice but no one seems to be put off by it at all. I love my hair, and I have often thought it was false advertising. Like a guy would see my hair and go,"Oooh!" then get a better look and go,"Aww!" My body is probably a wash, boobs and hips all okay but shoulders and back are a little large. With my height 5'10", I have no idea what people see when they look at me. Clothes and jewelry are unmistakably female. I don't know about my mannerisms.
Soooo, my hair clothes I guess.
Ah ha, I love this question. Look to the lips and the eyes. Number one - Lipstick. Flat chested girl? No problem. Lipstick. Adams Apple? No problem. Lipstick. Man hands? No problem. Lipstick. Number two is mascara. Pretty eyes and kissable lips make the girl. At the very worst you'll leave them saying "that poor girl looks like a dude!" ;D
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on December 22, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Hi.
If you were to pick the biggest one or two things that cause you to be perceived as female by most people in your life more than anything else, would it be
Your clothing
Your body
Your hair
Your voice
Your makeup
Your jewelry
Your mannerisims
Your name, ID
Your way of relating with others
You outing yourself or having been outed by someone else
Or?
@ChrissyRyan Dear Chrissy:All the things that you listed are indeed very important...
...they all work together to make a convincing presentation as a woman.
However, since you asked for us to pick just ONE or TWO... I guess I will have to choose.
1. Voice (and speaking with an uptick)
2. Body (including boobs, curves and facial appearance)
Danielle
Hi.
If you were to pick the biggest one or two things that cause you to be perceived as female by most people in your life more than anything else, would it be
Your clothing
Your body
Your hair
Your voice
Your makeup
Your jewelry
Your mannerisims
Your name, ID
Your way of relating with others
You outing yourself or having been outed by someone else
Or?
I think it depends on the starting point. For me I think hair and face are the two biggest factors followed by voice and boobs then clothing and name.
General appearance
Voice
Under that first category lots can go into it, like hair, body, clothes, makeup, etc....
Body and my voice. My family says my face and breasts after I had my FFS, trachea shave and breast augmentation
My body, - I inherited my mothers body shape, so hormones gave me D Cup breast and a big bum/thighs
With long hair, pierced ears,navel, nose ( I wear a small stud in my left Nostril) and shaved legs, I am always perceived as female.
Other things, I am very girlie, so i love wearing dresses, heels, makeup, nail polish (I love my long acrylic nails look)
I can't answer this because I don't know. What I look for in someone is different to what someone else looks for.
I feel like this, much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. And it means different things to different people.
All I can tell you is what my mum used to say. She died before I got the chance to come out to her. But she used to say "Thank god you're not a woman, because you'd be a bitch."
She was probably right, lol.
I will say appearance is at the bottom of the list for me. Literally the bottom. You don't need breasts and a supermodel hourglass shape to be a woman. Just as you don't need a penis and a six pack to be a man. Looks are skin deep. It's all skin deep. For me, anyway. If you are who you are, however you look is just a thing.
@Sephirah That cracked me up.
But I think you and I are the same in that I don't see people as flesh and blood. I know they are, but I see the spirit within them and that is what I relate to. These bodies are just a place to live while we experience Life. Eventually, they will give out and we will move on to the next. I can't get hung up on a temporary vessel. It's the contents that matter, whatever they are.
Quote from: Lori Dee on August 29, 2024, 02:41:18 PM@Sephirah
That cracked me up.
But I think you and I are the same in that I don't see people as flesh and blood. I know they are, but I see the spirit within them and that is what I relate to. These bodies are just a place to live while we experience Life. Eventually, they will give out and we will move on to the next. I can't get hung up on a temporary vessel. It's the contents that matter, whatever they are.
We are the same, Lori. That's why I think I admire and respect you so much. Looking inside is hard when we are predisposed to look outside.
I know a lot of people want them to match. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing whatsoever. More power to you. If it makes you live your life happy in your own skin, able to focus on the world and not on yourself... do whatever you need to do to be happy.
I kind of want that too. But it's never going to happen for me. I think that's mostly why I don't focus on how people look to determine who they are. Because I can't just flash myself at someone and them be like "Yeah this is Lauren." Doesn't work for me. And it colours how I see other people. I have to look deeper. And I kind of think that's a blessing in a way. But then I am asexual. I don't get attracted to people because they have this, or that. I don't get attracted to bits. I think I am a pretty good reader of people just through what they say, how they are. Not how they look. Matter of fact, most of the women I've been attracted to in my life, I've never seen how they look. Those I have, they weren't all that. But I've had more than one marriage offer while I've been here. I still don't understand why. I'm nothing special. But... yeah, perception is something you don't really have much control over. In my opinion.
You are who you are. Being who you are is the icing on top of a very awesome cake. :)
The single best thing you can do to make yourself look feminine is to trim your eyebrows. Seriously, it is such an overlooked and distinctive feature that people recognise gender from and because it is so instinctive, we rarely ever look at it as a thing. As soon as I got my eyebrows plucked in a nice feminine shape, I started being acknoledged as female regardless of hair, clothing or mannerisms..
<and here comes my rant!>
.. in fact, I can put a pin in the whole mannerisms things.. women, like cis-women and us who live everyday as a woman do not actually have 'mannerisms'.. I call it bumkum - look at people around you they all move, act and walk in pretty much the same way - our voices are a little higher, we dont have facial hair and we tend to have longer head hair.. but that is it. Seriously.. the size of your chest, the height of your giggle - the way you sit.. makes little difference - I know women who sit with a can of beer on the sofa, legs spread wide and shout at the 'game'.. they are still women through and through.
Life is real, not a melodrama of high heels and handbags - pretending to be something is not living. live for you as you.
Quote from: SoupSarah on August 29, 2024, 03:29:34 PMThe single best thing you can do to make yourself look feminine is to trim your eyebrows.
Seriously, it is such an overlooked and distinctive feature that people recognise gender from and because it is so instinctive, we rarely ever look at it as a thing. As soon as I got my eyebrows plucked in a nice feminine shape, I started being acknoledged as female regardless of hair, clothing or mannerisms..
<and here comes my rant!>
.. in fact, I can put a pin in the whole mannerisms things.. women, like cis-women and us who live everyday as a woman do not actually have 'mannerisms'.. I call it bumkum - look at people around you they all move, act and walk in pretty much the same way - our voices are a little higher, we dont have facial hair and we tend to have longer head hair.. but that is it. Seriously.. the size of your chest, the height of your giggle - the way you sit.. makes little difference - I know women who sit with a can of beer on the sofa, legs spread wide and shout at the 'game'.. they are still women through and through.
Life is real, not a melodrama of high heels and handbags - pretending to be something is not living. live for you as you.
This. Be you. Whoever that is. As I always say... don't be the canvas, be the painting.
When my voice sounds good, that for sure helps.
Chrissy