It's me, MadisonJoan.
Now when I do transition, should I shave my armpit hair or keep it? I know women have a choice whether or not to shave their pits but is should I shave mine to "pass" or should I keep it?
MadisonJoan.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 05, 2019, 03:11:42 PM
It's me, MadisonJoan.
Now when I do transition, should I shave my armpit hair or keep it? I know women have a choice whether or not to shave their pits but is should I shave mine to "pass" or should I keep it?
MadisonJoan.
As a transwoman you will need to maximise a passing look. No hair will help.
Kirsten x.
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I trim mine so it's not so shaggy, but I don't shave it. It is less extensive than it used to be thanks to HRT.
All the hair you see in my avatar is all the hair I got. ;D
I see. Thank you. I was just wondering. I support women, cis or trans, who keep their armpit hair. But if it's better for me to shave it I can do that. It's all about personal choice.
Quote from: Devlyn on January 05, 2019, 03:19:20 PM
All the hair you see in my avatar is all the hair I got. ;D
Looks lovely.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 05, 2019, 03:19:59 PM
I see. Thank you. I was just wondering. I support women, cis or trans, who keep their armpit hair. But if it's better for me to shave it I can do that. It's all about personal choice.
This month ladies are encouraged to not shave body hair. The campaign is called "JanuHairy."
Details can be found on the Internet.
Chrissy
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on January 05, 2019, 03:22:25 PM
This month ladies are encouraged to not shave body hair. The campaign is called "JanuHairy."
Details can be found on the Internet.
Chrissy
Fair enough. Like No-Shave November.
I vote on no hair in the pits. To me it's not feminine to be hairy. But I understand people who don't shave, its up to them.
Hey Madison,
May seem strange to some but I love the natural look of armpit hair. Natural looks and scents may not appeal to some but I think body hair is uniquely beautiful. So many women, cis and trans, spend fortunes trying to look less like the mammals we truly are. Your look and comfort are what rules in my book. I urge folks not to give in to the formulas or dictates of culturally gendered fashion. Make your own!
Like shaving our legs or putting on makeup, once we find that right "look" it can be difficult to skip before we head out in public. I love the freedom to rock on with hair every where but my face. And then, this is part of the beauty of being non binary. I can just be the most real and authentic self possible without having the masses set my standards.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 05, 2019, 03:25:17 PM
Fair enough. Like No-Shave November.
Uh huh. :) But if you want to pass this month as female, it is highly recommended that you shave your beard this month if you have one. :)
Chrissy
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on January 05, 2019, 03:22:25 PM
This month ladies are encouraged to not shave body hair. The campaign is called "JanuHairy."
Details can be found on the Internet.
Chrissy
Nope to the nope-th power! :laugh:
Quote from: Tessa James on January 05, 2019, 03:31:24 PM
Hey Madison,
May seem strange to some but I love the natural look of armpit hair. Natural looks and scents may not appeal to some but I think body hair is uniquely beautiful. So many women, cis and trans, spend fortunes trying to look less like the mammals we truly are. Your look and comfort are what rules in my book. I urge folks not to give in to the formulas or dictates of culturally gendered fashion. Make your own!
Like shaving our legs or putting on makeup, once we find that right "look" it can be difficult to skip before we head out in public. I love the freedom to rock on with hair every where but my face. And then, this is part of the beauty of being non binary. I can just be the most real and authentic self possible without having the masses set my standards.
I get you Tessa. I feel like patriarchy (yes I said it, patriarchy) always wants to make ALL of us feel inadequate. I just might keep my pit hair as my protest to them. I hate how it makes us feel ugly. It's patriarchy that's ugly. It hurts us all.
Love ya Tessa.
Madison Joan.
I'm afab and have been receiving some strong reaction to my opinions so I will hedge my answer; I give it with kindness and the best of intent and I will generalise. I'm not an authority nor do I have access to scientific research of the matter. This is just my 2 cents based on my experience FWIW.
I'm recently out after 45 years of living as a 6' + white cis heterosexual woman.
I have had periods of shaving and not shaving armpits and legs.
Generally I only shave when I know these areas will be visible to the public. If I'm going to the gym or the beach etc.
My husband always preferred the hair, the natural look, and I do as well.
There are times that I was taken for a male because of people seeing my legs and not looking up :)
I have also had some number of men explain to me how they would only ever consider women that shaved these areas. Considering that they were saying this to someone that was in a very established relationship did not seem to deter them one bit ;)
From what I have seen in the locker room, then most women do shave and majority even shaves the vaginal area.
I have never shaved the vaginal area until now because the STPs work much better when I do ;)
Talk about irony lol.
I agree with others that say it is all about your goals
Do shave if:
- you aim to pass and the armpits will be visible
- it makes you feel more feminine to go with the current fashion
- you want to blend in
- you want to do what is currently, in general, perceived as feminine
Do not shave if:
- it bothers you or you prefer not too
- you don't know how to do it safely, (there are plenty of online instructions)
- you are concerned about health ramifications, (ingrown hair and irritations)
- you want to be considered hard-line feminist ;) that is a bit of tongue in cheek but often accurate
- you are butch lesbian, (stereotypical yes but it is the first thing everyone assumed that I was lol)
Sadly the last on that list is what many are convinced I am now since coming out as afab.
Hope this helps.
I had laser treatments to remove my armpit hair years ago. I think armpit hair looks terrible on anyone.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 05, 2019, 03:11:42 PM
It's me, MadisonJoan.
Now when I do transition, should I shave my armpit hair or keep it? I know women have a choice whether or not to shave their pits but is should I shave mine to "pass" or should I keep it?
MadisonJoan.
I personally shave mine I find that it feels so much better they smell less they sweat less and I think it actually looks a little better in my opinion
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I have been shaving my armpits for years before coming out. Not sure why but part of it was the smell in the summer. Now it is mostly part of a regular routine and I am also considering to do laser there.
Whether women shave their armpits or not is a bit of a society thing. In some European countries, it is much more accepted to have hairy armpits. In the US it is seen as lazy.
Lucky my other body hair is very sparse, so Armpits once a week and arms/legs about ever 3 - 4 weeks and other cis-women in my street have been inquiring how I always look so smooth.
I never shaved my armpits. Then when I was a Senior in High school I asked my Aunt to help me do some self help to look more attractive to women.
She said that she always thought men with trimmed pit harm looked better than those who just let it grow wild.
Since then I trimmed it for years, before finally going all the way and clean shaving under there.
That was probably close to 10 years ago. Now that I am presenting more feminine, I continue the practice. That is my personal preference and what makes me feel more feminine. It is also what was socially accepted as "Feminine".
It is a personal choice, and depending on what country you live in, many cis women do not shave their arm pits, so I don't think it would impede passing in those situations.
Lacy
My personal preference is to shave. I'll even shave what little back hair I have.
Personally, I prefer hairless but that's all personal preference. I'm hairless from nose to toes
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Quote from: Sky1090 on January 05, 2019, 09:19:44 PM
Personally, I prefer hairless but that's all personal preference. I'm hairless from nose to toes
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Lol same with me but im never sure if women shave their arms so i leave them be
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on January 05, 2019, 09:23:10 PM
Lol same with me but im never sure if women shave their arms so i leave them be
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No need to shave your arms unless you want to. I've got girlfriends who naturally have dark hair on their arms and wax or shave it. My fiancé is Irish and Scottish and has a super fine hair on her arms and doesn't do a thing with it. Me? I'm Italian... hair seems to be a thing for those of us with roots in the Mediterranean region. I use an epilator on mine
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I loathe body hair of any description. I shave any hair that isn't my eyebrows or head hair.
I have always thought the same about armpit hair as other body hair - I seek total elimination.
I respect the opposing view as we are all different but no body hair for me thank you!
Hugs
Pamela
I shave my armpits and legs every time I shower which is every day. I would never let Tristan touch my legs if they weren't totally smooth. I would NEVER not shave my legs and underarms but that's just me. You would think since the hair on my legs is as white as all my body hair and scalp hair it wouldn't be noticeable but if light hits it almost seems to glow white. I finally got Tristan to trim his pit hair with clippers so it doesn't look like he's hiding squirrels under his arms. Tyler and my dad both use clippers to keep their underarm hair neat. All three of them wax their chests. Or rather I do. I don't know why but among guys who work out a lot and get muscular it's like a crime or something to have chest hair.
In my opinion, I think women look fine with a little light body hair.
On myself however, I want it clean and smooth everywhere.
As much as possible. To be honest, it is close to impossible at this point...
This is a personal preference, and helps to positive-up my self image
Hello to all of you. My choice is to shave my armpits because I will sometimes be wearing sleeveless tops this Spring and hairy armpits will draw unwanted attention. My body hair is pretty well under control and I have no intention of slipping backward when this is something that is so easy to do. For the record, I use a Venus razor. It seems to work.
I shave my armpit hair, thinking about laser
Quote from: barbara1962 on January 06, 2019, 12:31:02 PM
Hello to all of you. My choice is to shave my armpits because I will sometimes be wearing sleeveless tops this Spring and hairy armpits will draw unwanted attention. My body hair is pretty well under control and I have no intention of slipping backward when this is something that is so easy to do. For the record, I use a Venus razor. It seems to work.
I totally love the Venus razors.
Please bear in mind that a very large percentage of women in the world don't remove their body hair, probably more than do.
There are also many here who may feel unable to as they are not yet out, or only wish (or are able) to present female some of the time.
That said, I do remove my body hair, as I prefer the feeling. X
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I shave my armpits and my legs. I could go for a while without if I wanted, I don't have much hair either place and it is thin and mostly translucent. I usually save both when I can feel the only place I seem to get any significant hair which is just below my knees. Right now it has been a week an I can barely feel it and can't see it at all. In the summer it doesn't matter if I can feel or see it, I shave every 4 to 5 days period. I was normal hairy before but it just slowly stopped.
Oh no! I like a guy with chest hair.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 05, 2019, 03:36:21 PM
I get you Tessa. I feel like patriarchy (yes I said it, patriarchy) always wants to make ALL of us feel inadequate. I just might keep my pit hair as my protest to them. I hate how it makes us feel ugly. It's patriarchy that's ugly. It hurts us all.
Love ya Tessa.
Madison Joan.
Aww thanks Madison, I love you too! Yes the patriarchy plays a big cultural roll and I can also recall too many teenage girls/women of my generation thinking that getting a man was everything! Beauty standards and fashion dictates matter more to those trying to blend in or pass perhaps? I encourage us to simply be more comfortable with ourselves and expand what is female and feminine rather than shrink into submission and more shaving.
I removed armpit hair by using Tria home laser a few years ago, but it grows again a little bit, but not so much noticeable. Armpit hair is very easy to remove by home laser treatment compared with leg or facial hair, as the number of hair is fewer.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7927/45728811515_55f5a92b0f_c.jpg)
barbie~~
I don't know, Barbie. I've seen some pretty furry pits🤮
Quote from: barbie on January 07, 2019, 02:07:59 AM
I removed armpit hair by using Tria home laser a few years ago, but it grows again a little bit, but not so much noticeable. Armpit hair is very easy to remove by home laser treatment compared with leg or facial hair, as the number of hair is fewer.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7927/45728811515_55f5a92b0f_c.jpg)
barbie~~
Nice. You look absolutely gorgeous.
I actually might shave my pits sometime just to see how it feels and if it's for me.
I believe most women shave their armpits (in the US) but there are LOTS of women who don't. At least lots of lesbians who don't, but I know straight women who don't shave as well.
I lived as a hairy female for a long time and I always got looks for it. It's not the norm. If you want to keep people from taking a second look then you want to shave.
And if you don't want to shave it bare then trim it with a #1 guard on clippers. That's what I do just because I don't like a lot of extra hair but I don't want to shave either.
I shave my armpits every other day or maybe third day and I too use the Venus multiblade razors. Takes seconds usually. I do my legs maybe once a week as they are covered all the time and if I shave any more frequently I get a constant rash, especially on the upper thigh area. Arms are epilated once a week as is my chest (although I sometimes shave my chest if I'm in a hurry). Genitals shaved but pubic area is trimmed very closely. Back is waxed every so often but it's not a huge problem as I can't see it! lol ;D ;D
Ok I'm confused, don't "get it" thought HRT (MtF) rendered the need to shave body hair completely unnecessary? I just pulled a younger pic of myself I no longer 'ave ANY of that tummy, chest, underarm or leg hair WHATSOEVER?
Full head hair I have I'd post pics but don't want to scare anybody. ??? :o
Is bicalutamide the only anti-A that does this?
Quote from: Chloe on January 08, 2019, 07:14:28 AM
Ok I'm confused, don't "get it" thought HRT (MtF) rendered the need to shave body hair completely unnecessary?
I think the issue is the word "completely". As with all things transition-related, YMMV. HRT will substantially reduce body hair for most people. "Substantially reduce" does not mean it will all be gone, and "most people" does not mean everyone.
If you are lucky and have little body hair to begin with, like me, then HRT will make shaving one's body a non-issue. Yes, there is still some hair there, but I have to look hard to find it. It is not enough to be worth doing something about. On the other hand if your genes and pre-natal environment gave you the wookie look, HRT might not make enough of a dent in it to be satisfying.
It reduced my armpit hair from male-standard to female-standard. It did not make it go away, but I see no need to shave it. That is simply a personal preference.
Quote from: Devlyn on January 05, 2019, 03:19:20 PM
All the hair you see in my avatar is all the hair I got. ;D
And what a lovely head of hair you have. :)
Quote from: BritneyX on January 08, 2019, 09:12:55 AM
And what a lovely head of hair you have. :)
Thanks, I had it all transplanted from my 'pits. :laugh:
Quote from: Devlyn on January 08, 2019, 09:27:45 AM
Thanks, I had it all transplanted from my 'pits. :laugh:
Oh you. Too phunny!!! Made my day! ;)
I did it.
I took my beard trimmer and "trimmed" my armpit hair off.
I feel a bit weird.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 08, 2019, 05:46:45 PM
I did it.
I took my beard trimmer and "trimmed" my armpit hair off.
I feel a bit weird.
You go girl! Try the mow down method for a while. Then if you want to take the plunge, it is rather easy to shave those pits. Be careful though. You can get razor burn. Use plenty of lubricant, take it easy and don't try to force it to be smooth as a babies bottom. Once you get the hang of it and your skin becomes more desensitized, shaving won't be much trouble.
By the way, you look already transitioned and happy in your photo!
Quote from: BritneyX on January 08, 2019, 06:46:54 PM
You go girl! Try the mow down method for a while. Then if you want to take the plunge, it is rather easy to shave those pits. Be careful though. You can get razor burn. Use plenty of lubricant, take it easy and don't try to force it to be smooth as a babies bottom. Once you get the hang of it and your skin becomes more desensitized, shaving won't be much trouble.
By the way, you look already transitioned and happy in your photo!
It's only my feminine face on FaceApp but thank you. Yeah it feels weird but like I said I gotta get used to it. And I can always grow it back if I don't like it. Thank you for the positive energy, beautiful.
Quote from: barbie on January 07, 2019, 02:07:59 AM
I removed armpit hair by using Tria home laser a few years ago, but it grows again a little bit, but not so much noticeable. Armpit hair is very easy to remove by home laser treatment compared with leg or facial hair, as the number of hair is fewer.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7927/45728811515_55f5a92b0f_c.jpg)
barbie~~
You have this girl sold! I have been reading the reviews and checked out their technology. I plan on purchasing tonight and they even have a special going on! Honey, you just saved this girl a tonne of money, that I don't have, for laser hair removal. Bless you!
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 08, 2019, 06:49:15 PM
It's only my feminine face on FaceApp but thank you. Yeah it feels weird but like I said I gotta get used to it. And I can always grow it back if I don't like it. Thank you for the positive energy, beautiful.
You are most welcome. Your beautiful and exuberant smile is uplifting, so thank you that. I needed it today.
Quote from: BritneyX on January 08, 2019, 06:52:09 PM
You are most welcome. Your beautiful and exuberant smile is uplifting, so thank you that. I needed it today.
I'm glad I made your day.
I just finished it with my razor. It burns a bit but I feel a bit more feminine.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 08, 2019, 07:00:09 PM
I just finished it with my razor. It burns a bit but I feel a bit more feminine.
The little bottle of
Shave Secret works wonders as a shaving lubricant (razor or electric), skin conditioner and razor rash relief. I believe that Wally World sells it.
Quote from: BritneyX on January 08, 2019, 07:59:56 PM
The little bottle of Shave Secret works wonders as a shaving lubricant (razor or electric), skin conditioner and razor rash relief. I believe that Wally World sells it.
Nice.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 08, 2019, 07:00:09 PM
I just finished it with my razor. It burns a bit but I feel a bit more feminine.
Have you tried moisturizing lotion or a body wash just prior to shaving? That seems to help me.
Chrissy
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on January 08, 2019, 08:02:39 PM
Have you tried moisturizing lotion or a body wash just prior to shaving? That seems to help me.
Chrissy
I can consider it.
I don't know what problem you ladies have? Why do you grow body hair, and remove it again?
You could follow my example, just don't grow the stuff! I never ever shaved my legs, my torso or my armpits, but look freshly shaved all the time. Just go out and find a spare X chromosome, and the problem is solved for good! >:-)
Quote from: Dietlind on January 08, 2019, 09:32:49 PM
I don't know what problem you ladies have? Why do you grow body hair, and remove it again?
You could follow my example, just don't grow the stuff! I never ever shaved my legs, my torso or my armpits, but look freshly shaved all the time. Just go out and find a spare X chromosome, and the problem is solved for good! >:-)
**Knocks on the back door to the kitchen**
Dietlnd dear, can I borrow a cup of X chromosomes? I'm all out and I don't get my shopping allowance till next week.
;D
Quote from: BritneyX on January 08, 2019, 10:50:15 PM
**Knocks on the back door to the kitchen**
Dietlnd dear, can I borrow a cup of X chromosomes? I'm all out and I don't get my shopping allowance till next week.
;D
Come by, I'll give you some, but it will cost you a case of beer! :angel:
I would even give you the extra good ones, which will also take care of your Adams Apple! :)
I am not exactly sure why, but after about 9 months of HRT I stopped growing armpit hair almost completely... after another few months of HRT my body hair on my legs and chest got very thin and was seemingly going away... today I do not shave my body but once every few months....
Yay for HRT !!!
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on January 08, 2019, 11:58:58 PM
I am not exactly sure why, but after about 9 months of HRT I stopped growing armpit hair almost completely... after another few months of HRT my body hair on my legs and chest got very thin and was seemingly going away... today I do not shave my body but once every few months....
Yay for HRT !!!
Danielle
I am praying for that! I almost had a repeat of my Hurricane Katrina MRSA attack on my face from back in 2006 that started by a severe ingrown hair caused by my ever present folliculitis from shaving. It put me in the ICU for 5 days and had to be put on some new rocket fuel antibiotic that almost killed me with serve side-effects, like de-oxygenating my cells. Getting ride of the need to shave is top priority in my early parts of my transitioning. The VA won't provide hair removal but I am hoping that they will see the severe health issue that I have with shaving. Even trying to grow out a beard, I still get bad folliculitis. My Dermatology appointment is on the 24th of January, so fingers crossed!
Quote from: Dietlind on January 08, 2019, 11:17:30 PM
Come by, I'll give you some, but it will cost you a case of beer! :angel:
I would even give you the extra good ones, which will also take care of your Adams Apple! :)
Count me in! I was bringing a case of some fine German Beer over anyway has a house warming gift. How about a nice spanner wrench? What size do ya need? My Eve's Apple is not very pronounced, thank you God! I have also been Blessed with the vocal range of Roy Orbison, though, not the voice. >:(
Quote from: BritneyX on January 09, 2019, 02:16:49 AM
How about a nice spanner wrench?
Do you people up north have speech impairments? Calling a good old box wrench a spanner wrench! The Brits did leave the country, for good, long ago, you don't need no spanners anymore! (one never can have enough 1/2" sized ones, they seem to develop legs over time)
We could sing a nice duett in mezzo soprano together, might drive the vermins out!
I have been shaving my pits for decades , since starting transition and thermolysis for facial hair removal I decided to also add the pits hands and feet into the routine.
14 months now on the face I no longer have to shave which is wonderful and now there is time left in the sessions after face so I have been doing the other now also.
Have had five clearings on the pits and no longer have to shave them either
For me smooth is the only way to be
Quote from: Quinn on January 09, 2019, 08:00:37 AM
hands and feet into the routine.
Oh, I did no know that one can have hair on the hands and on the feet. Some other areas of my body that are hairless! I am slowly feeling really as if I am a freak of nature!
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Quote from: Quinn on January 09, 2019, 08:00:37 AM
hands and feet into the routine.
Oh, I did no know that one can have hair on the hands and on the feet. Some other areas of my body that are hairless! I am slowly feeling really as if I am a freak of nature!
Not at all. I have almost no hair at my hands and feet and barely any on my legs, arms, chest or back, to the point that other cis women are envious. Unless... we are both freaks.
Quote from: sarah1972 on January 09, 2019, 09:00:33 AM
Oh, I did no know that one can have hair on the hands and on the feet. Some other areas of my body that are hairless! I am slowly feeling really as if I am a freak of nature!
Not at all. I have almost no hair at my hands and feet and barely any on my legs, arms, chest or back, to the point that other cis women are envious. Unless... we are both freaks.
Must be the superior German genes that inform our body that hairless is the name of the game!
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 09:02:22 AM
Must be the superior German genes that inform our body that hairless is the name of the game!
I have some German blood in me from my mama. I also get French from her.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 09, 2019, 09:04:05 AM
I have some German blood in me from my mama. I also get French from her.
i hate to admit it, but German seems to be my smallest amount in my body. I did that genetic testing thing, and found out that 33% of my genes are Greek! I have no clue where I caught those, but it might explain why I like to eat Greek food. The rest is a mixture of Dutch (the second largest amount, that allows me to officially go Dutch, or?), French, and German. I know that I got the Dutch part from my mother, after all, she was Dutch, but who knows what the family of my father did to get all the other stuff?
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 09:14:25 AM
i hate to admit it, but German seems to be my smallest amount in my body. I did that genetic testing thing, and found out that 33% of my genes are Greek! I have no clue where I caught those, but it might explain why I like to eat Greek food. The rest is a mixture of Dutch (the second largest amount, that allows me to officially go Dutch, or?), French, and German. I know that I got the Dutch part from my mother, after all, she was Dutch, but who knows what the family of my father did to get all the other stuff?
I need to take a DNA test.
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 09, 2019, 09:20:14 AM
I need to take a DNA test.
Yes, it is amazing what you find out, (some I wish I would not have known). Here I always thought, I was that very Nordic Viking hero, with my given name very Nordic, and my family name as Viking as they come! My stature is also more Nordic than Greek and French! That shows how well it works to have stereotypical ideas about people! The very Nordic looking person is mostly Greek, who would have thoughten? ??? :embarrassed:
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 09:14:25 AM
i hate to admit it, but German seems to be my smallest amount in my body. I did that genetic testing thing, and found out that 33% of my genes are Greek! I have no clue where I caught those, but it might explain why I like to eat Greek food. The rest is a mixture of Dutch (the second largest amount, that allows me to officially go Dutch, or?), French, and German. I know that I got the Dutch part from my mother, after all, she was Dutch, but who knows what the family of my father did to get all the other stuff?
That's Greek to me.
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 07:23:31 AM
Do you people up north have speech impairments? Calling a good old box wrench a spanner wrench! The Brits did leave the country, for good, long ago, you don't need no spanners anymore! (one never can have enough 1/2" sized ones, they seem to develop legs over time)
We could sing a nice duett in mezzo soprano together, might drive the vermins out!
Well, I are be a Texan. Snow is a foreign object to me. I called it a spanner wrench because, for some reason, I thought you lived across the Pond. Part of my wonderful short term memory disconnects I have thanks to the Navy and the VA feeding me every drug under the Sun to shut me up about my physical nerve pain. I know about British terms from being an avid British TV comedy watcher on PBS and as a World War Two history buff.
For our less mechanically inclined Family, we do have spanner wrenches here in the USA. They are still used on steam locomotives and marine engines. We have spanner wrenches in the automobile and aviation industry. Of course, they are not the same as an open or box end combination wrench.
So Dietlind, whom is your tool maker of preference; Mac, Snap-On, Craftsmen, older (USA made) Kobalt? I have a 1/2" Snap-On combination wrench that belonged to my Dad. It was his Dad's back when he owned a single ethyl pump (hand pump) and a dirt floor mechanic's garage in the 1930s. That tool has taken a beaten and still is in near perfect shape.
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 08:39:27 AM
Oh, I did no know that one can have hair on the hands and on the feet. Some other areas of my body that are hairless! I am slowly feeling really as if I am a freak of nature!
Guess you haven't been to an NYC Italian Pizzeria where the guy that is hand tossing the pizza dough has hair on his knuckles that looks like armpit hair. Oh, and Sweetie, you are cherished Doll, not a freak, by any means. Your significant other is a Blessed person. So are your tools!
Quote from: MadisonJoan on January 09, 2019, 09:04:05 AM
I have some German blood in me from my mama. I also get French from her.
You look like you have some Native blood. My two youngest are half Houma Native from their Mom and the Luck of the Irish from me. My maternal Grandma's Grandma was full-blood Native. Not sure if she was Choctaw, Creek or Cherokee.
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 10:55:32 AM
Yes, it is amazing what you find out, (some I wish I would not have known). Here I always thought, I was that very Nordic Viking hero, with my given name very Nordic, and my family name as Viking as they come! My stature is also more Nordic than Greek and French! That shows how well it works to have stereotypical ideas about people! The very Nordic looking person is mostly Greek, who would have thoughten? ??? :embarrassed:
There was a joint genome study done by a Mexican and Californian university that was conducted on about 100,000 plus people with Hispanic surnames living in both Southern California and Mexico, sometime around 2009. The halotypes clearly demonstrated that less than 3% had any Indigenous DNA. Only 3 of that group were 100% Native. The other 97% are mainly a Berber/Iberian mix, which is what you would expect to find of a person whose ancestors were from the Southern part of Spain. Many Mexicans were dismayed.
Quote from: BritneyX on January 09, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
So Dietlind, whom is your tool maker of preference; Mac, Snap-On, Craftsmen, older (USA made) Kobalt? I have a 1/2" Snap-On combination wrench that belonged to my Dad.
My son, the master ASE certified master mechanic uses only Snap-on or Mac tools (a lot of the Mac stuff is made in Germany), I have to say that, except from a "base layer" of Craftsmen, I am happy with the tools from Harborfreight They are good enough for that little I use them, and they, too, have a life time warranty!
I used to live across the pond, but I live now in in south west Florida! Texas is way north for me!
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Guess you haven't been to an NYC Italian Pizzeria where the guy that is hand tossing the pizza dough has hair on his knuckles that looks like armpit hair. Oh, and Sweetie, you are cherished Doll, not a freak, by any means. Your significant other is a Blessed person. So are your tools!
No, I never had a pizza in NYC, I actually try to avoid to have pizza anywhere, because I don't like the US version of them very much. I have some Puerto Rico handymen working at my house once in a while, and I am astonished to see that they inside of their arms is as hairy as the outside! These people really look as if the wear a fur coat, definitely if I look at my hairless arms in comparison.
Sadly enough, my significant other left me 15 years ago, because she did not want to be in a lesbian relation with a very angry (me) person. We are pretty good friends now, and once in a while I ask her questions about certain feminine things, because she knows me best.
Quote from: Dietlind on December 31, 1969, 06:00:15 PM
Sadly enough, my significant other left me 15 years ago, because she did not want to be in a lesbian relation with a very angry (me) person. We are pretty good friends now, and once in a while I ask her questions about certain feminine things, because she knows me best.
Sorry about that. I thought you were in a current relationship.
As for hairy men, that has been a big turn off as I found it yucky as a girl in a boy's body.
Quote from: BritneyX on January 09, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
Sorry about that. I thought you were in a current relationship.
As for hairy men, that has been a big turn off as I found it yucky as a girl in a boy's body.
I have the same feeling, and I also don't like the muscular Rambo type males. Interesting enough, my wife did also not like either. And I don't care for facial hair of any version.
For the time being, I think a man who would be interesting for me should be pretty feminine. I would have no problem with a pre op trans woman, in fact this would be the type of partner I would prefer.
I have a set of Snap-on box wrenches I got from my uncle, who was an aircraft mechanic.
Quote from: Maid Marion on January 09, 2019, 04:12:50 PM
I have a set of Snap-on box wrenches I got from my uncle, who was an aircraft mechanic.
Hang on to them, they are more expensive than a bar of gold!
My son has close to $15K in his tolbox, and the toolbox alone is close to $8k, but it is strong enough to have 350 V8 sitting on it!
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 03:32:58 PM
I have the same feeling, and I also don't like the muscular Rambo type males. Interesting enough, my wife did also not like either. And I don't care for facial hair of any version.
For the time being, I think a man who would be interesting for me should be pretty feminine. I would have no problem with a pre op trans woman, in fact this would be the type of partner I would prefer.
I have been more of a no-sexual in the past year. Not at all asexual, just in a destructive relationship with my kids mother. It has been sort of a master/slave relationship where she lords over me like I'm her slave. I was just there to service her needs, if you know what I mean. .......
Ok, I'm back. I literally just got called away to come outside to be screamed, belittled and ridiculed by that loathsome cis-woman for a huge paver stone that has been in the back yard for 6-7 years that had a small chip off the corner! Never mind that my disabled self struggled to carefully move those heavy pavers out of the way so that I could labor with a shovel and pick axe in black expansive clay, by myself, to lay out her new French drain. Never mind the fact that this slave is saving her thousands of dollars and doing a fairly correct and high quality job to boot. No wonder I find her few sexual advances a year to be revolting. It makes me feel cheap and dirty. When I come out to her about being transgender, I can only expect the worse of the worse to happen. She is that unhinged.
Then there are her 3 daughters that still live at home. One just graduated from the local state university. They are Houma Native and claim to be open minded and inclusive. I look forward to when I tell them and on my reveal day as my true self. As I said in another thread, everyone had their prejudices, in one shape or form. It is going to be an interesting life lesson for them when they discover that their open-minded, accepting character is fraught with the very prejudices that they claim to be above.
Enough of that. Britney is a positive gal with positive star guiding her to a bright horizon! So, I have been sort of turned off by women in the past two years. Only recently, as I stopped suppressing Britney to a dark corner, that an interest in men has started to flourish. Unlike a lot of transgender women, I am not particularly ashamed of or disgusted by my male self. Don't get me wrong, I wished I was born female or, at the least, transitioned around puberty. However, the old me is me. It is 50 years of my past that cannot be denied nor does it need to be repressed into a dark corner like Britney was. I see myself as two halves of a whole with my female side the actual dominant and very feminine. It was wrong for me to suppress my female side for so long. I am planning on not repeating that mistake.
I am still in that flux between my old persona and my newly liberated self. The male in me was pure heterosexual. What I thought were once homosexual thoughts of my neighborhood best friend and the sexual exploration that we shared, turned out to be Britney step'n out. I had assumed that she was heterosexual, as well. Lately, I have explored the possibility that I am possibly Bi, Lesbian and now, pan sexual! I really won't know who I am till I get out of this current toxic relationship and strike out on my own. That will happen as my transition progresses. All I am sure of is that I was meant to be a woman, but random luck dealt me an odd hand. So I am open to where this journey takes me.
Sometimes I wish I would have been able to find myself earlier in life, and try to imagine how that would have been. On the other hand, I had almost 36 years of an almost dream like marriage with the love of my live (until I blew up), and I would not have had this experience.
I think we have to play with the hand of cards that was dealt to us, and try to make the best of it. I m now a lonely, but pretty happy individual who feels as if life is a ball, and I am playing with it as good as i can to have all the fun I can muster!
To be honest, the only piece for me missing to make my life perfect, is a partner who would want to share it with me!
Oh well! ???
And I still don't have hair under my arms pits. Sometimes I wonder how it feels to have hair on all those different body parts? Is the skin underneath the hair oft and very sensitive? Would it be softer than my skin (I have pre-puberty type children's skin), because it is always protected?
Coming to the post late... so let's get the irrelevant stuff out of the way first... I am Nordic stock... I carry the Norwegian viking gene. Ironically (because he's a massive homo/trans phobe) my father has no body hair. I, however, have hair from nose/ears to toes and it is the bane of my life right now.
Shaving my legs gives me a chickenpox look for weeks after from ingrowing hairs. And the itching is just unbearable. I tired sugar waxing and that worked really nicely except that by the time I finished it had took all the skin off my finger tips. So that took a couple of weeks to heal by which time the hair was coming back.
At the moment I am just letting my skin heal from the last shaving... so I am back to hairy for now. The chemical solution is going to be next. I can more or less tolerate it on my body, legs, and even face because I don't see it all the time. It only really bothers me when I use the bathroom or look in a mirror. But my arms and hands are a constant daily battle. I epilate my arms daily and when it gets too much I just have to shave them because I just can't stand seeing just one hair on them. I spend hours just battling the hair on my arms.
Arm/hand hair is a major point of dysphoria for me. Not as bad as ticking the male/female box on forms but probably my third biggest source of dysphoria. So no laughing matter for me.
Quote from: Alice (nym) on January 09, 2019, 08:03:09 PM
Not as bad as ticking the male/female box on forms but probably my third biggest source of dysphoria. So no laughing matter for me.
I ignore those boxes and the ones for race whenever I can. Most of the time the do not d any value for me!
Quote from: Alice (nym) on January 09, 2019, 08:03:09 PM
Coming to the post late... so let's get the irrelevant stuff out of the way first... I am Nordic stock... I carry the Norwegian viking gene. Ironically (because he's a massive homo/trans phobe) my father has no body hair. I, however, have hair from nose/ears to toes and it is the bane of my life right now.
Shaving my legs gives me a chickenpox look for weeks after from ingrowing hairs. And the itching is just unbearable. I tired sugar waxing and that worked really nicely except that by the time I finished it had took all the skin off my finger tips. So that took a couple of weeks to heal by which time the hair was coming back.
At the moment I am just letting my skin heal from the last shaving... so I am back to hairy for now. The chemical solution is going to be next. I can more or less tolerate it on my body, legs, and even face because I don't see it all the time. It only really bothers me when I use the bathroom or look in a mirror. But my arms and hands are a constant daily battle. I epilate my arms daily and when it gets too much I just have to shave them because I just can't stand seeing just one hair on them. I spend hours just battling the hair on my arms.
Arm/hand hair is a major point of dysphoria for me. Not as bad as ticking the male/female box on forms but probably my third biggest source of dysphoria. So no laughing matter for me.
Honestly when it comes to the boxes on job applications or anything like that where it says male female or no preference or do not specify I pick what I identify as I identify as a female so therefore I am a female and that's what I check
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Quote from: Alice (nym) on January 09, 2019, 08:03:09 PM
Coming to the post late... so let's get the irrelevant stuff out of the way first... I am Nordic stock... I carry the Norwegian viking gene. Ironically (because he's a massive homo/trans phobe) my father has no body hair. I, however, have hair from nose/ears to toes and it is the bane of my life right now.
Shaving my legs gives me a chickenpox look for weeks after from ingrowing hairs. And the itching is just unbearable. I tired sugar waxing and that worked really nicely except that by the time I finished it had took all the skin off my finger tips. So that took a couple of weeks to heal by which time the hair was coming back.
At the moment I am just letting my skin heal from the last shaving... so I am back to hairy for now. The chemical solution is going to be next. I can more or less tolerate it on my body, legs, and even face because I don't see it all the time. It only really bothers me when I use the bathroom or look in a mirror. But my arms and hands are a constant daily battle. I epilate my arms daily and when it gets too much I just have to shave them because I just can't stand seeing just one hair on them. I spend hours just battling the hair on my arms.
Arm/hand hair is a major point of dysphoria for me. Not as bad as ticking the male/female box on forms but probably my third biggest source of dysphoria. So no laughing matter for me.
Welcome to the conversation. It can get a bit hairy around here, so keep a lint roller handy. ;)
I too have a folliculitis problem, except mine can be rather severe. I found the best way to shave my legs and arms without much problem is to use a hair removal cream that has essential oils and conditioners for the allotted time before I turn on the shower. The stuff that I use is NAIR Nourish Shower Power with Argan Oil. It does not stink that much, not harsh on my skin and is shower resistant. That allows you to get into a really warm shower and wipe off an area at a time. Then if you are like me and demand silky smooth, you can proceed to shave with new, quality multi-blade razor. With about 80% of the follicles completely out of the way, the shaving fairly effortless. Use a quality lubricant oil that has conditioners. I use Shave Secret. Both products are inexpensive, does a great job and can potentially alleviate most of your shaving woes. I still have problems when the hairs start to grow back out, rubbing my inseam on my shorts/pants, causing flare ups. I think that might be caused from our laundry detergent.
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 09:35:23 PM
I ignore those boxes and the ones for race whenever I can. Most of the time the do not d any value for me!
A lot of times, I will take the form up to the person that hand it to me, act offended, and ask where is the check box for Texan. Sometimes they laugh and other times they just nonchalantly reply, "Check Other".
Have you girls ever tried one of those home laser thingy's? I think Barbie is using it quite successful! That would by far be the most gentle way to remove unwanted hair without any skin damage!
Quote from: Dietlind on January 09, 2019, 08:39:27 AM
Oh, I did no know that one can have hair on the hands and on the feet. Some other areas of my body that are hairless! I am slowly feeling really as if I am a freak of nature!
Oh yeah they can. My dad has hair on the back of his hands. Tyler and Tristan do as well but the hair on their hands is blonde so it's not very noticeable thankfully. Your not a freak of nature. I have very light and soft hair on my legs and underarms. And even though I didn't start hrt until I was 17 I never developed any facial hair at all. Thankfully!
Quote from: Julia1996 on January 09, 2019, 11:42:17 PM
Oh yeah they can. My dad has hair on the back of his hands. Tyler and Tristan do as well but the hair on their hands is blonde so it's not very noticeable thankfully. Your not a freak of nature. I have very light and soft hair on my legs and underarms. And even though I didn't start hrt until I was 17 I never developed any facial hair at all. Thankfully!
It is understandable with you, because you never went really into full puberty (or at least not that part of it). I got the first facial hair that was "shave able" when I was about 28. I never developed any other of the secondary male sex characteristics (no body hair, no adult skin, no Adams Apple), but I also did not finish puberty. In fact I started to finish it 3 to 4 years ago, when I started to grow breasts. And that was way before I even knew what HTR was! So, all this hair stuff is really foreign to me. This intersex symptom of mine threw my entire biology out of whack. It seems that I was supposed to be a girl, but somehow I was assigned to be a male with a very girlish look to him all his life!
Quote from: Devlyn on January 05, 2019, 03:35:38 PM
Nope to the nope-th power! :laugh:
I am so in agreement with that. Armpit hair? I vote Nair! Or actually just shaving it which I normally don't need to do very often.
I noticed nair leaves little hairs I have to shave after anyway. That's a bit annoying
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Quote from: Alice (nym) on January 09, 2019, 08:03:09 PM
Coming to the post late... so let's get the irrelevant stuff out of the way first... I am Nordic stock... I carry the Norwegian viking gene. Ironically (because he's a massive homo/trans phobe) my father has no body hair. I, however, have hair from nose/ears to toes and it is the bane of my life right now.
Shaving my legs gives me a chickenpox look for weeks after from ingrowing hairs. And the itching is just unbearable. I tired sugar waxing and that worked really nicely except that by the time I finished it had took all the skin off my finger tips. So that took a couple of weeks to heal by which time the hair was coming back.
At the moment I am just letting my skin heal from the last shaving... so I am back to hairy for now. The chemical solution is going to be next. I can more or less tolerate it on my body, legs, and even face because I don't see it all the time. It only really bothers me when I use the bathroom or look in a mirror. But my arms and hands are a constant daily battle. I epilate my arms daily and when it gets too much I just have to shave them because I just can't stand seeing just one hair on them. I spend hours just battling the hair on my arms.
Arm/hand hair is a major point of dysphoria for me. Not as bad as ticking the male/female box on forms but probably my third biggest source of dysphoria. So no laughing matter for me.
Oh now that IS interesting! I'm Nordic stock too (Scottish Ancestry) but I have the Viking knuckle-lump on my palms but only slight.
I too get a really bad rash that lasts for ages after shaving my upper legs and the itching drives me mad, especially at the back of my knees! Because I have quite long nails I very often draw blood scratching, which is not ideal.
Also, my father is less hairy than me which is very annoying but my mother is more hairy than usual for a lady, so thanks mom!!
p.s. it's a spanner. ;) and a Whitworth one at that! ;) ;D
Since starting hrt a year and a half ago, my body hair has lessened considerably. I have been epilating my arms, chest and legs for about a year and I'm certain that has played some part.
What does return is thin sparse areas that is removed monthly.
I had trimmed my pits at one point and had them waxed, yes ow! But they are just shaved now.
My facial hair has only been impeded by electrolysis......that's a whole different can of worms!
Hugs and smiles from a California girl
Quote from: Jessica on January 16, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
Since starting hrt a year and a half ago, my body hair has lessened considerably. I have been epilating my arms, chest and legs for about a year and I'm certain that has played some part.
What does return is thin sparse areas that is removed monthly.
I had trimmed my pits at one point and had them waxed, yes ow! But they are just shaved now.
My facial hair has only been impeded by electrolysis......that's a whole different can of worms!
Hugs and smiles from a California girl
I am lucky that i don't have to deal with all that extra hair, because it decided to not use me as a host.
But I have a question about the facial hair. Did the time it takes to regrow take longer now than prior to HRT?
I have to shave once or twice a week now, and I wonder, if that growth slows down even more with HRT, whether I want to go through all the electrolysis? Or I just have the area around my mouth done, which is the most visible.
Quote from: Jessica on January 16, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
Since starting hrt a year and a half ago, my body hair has lessened considerably. I have been epilating my arms, chest and legs for about a year and I'm certain that has played some part.
What does return is thin sparse areas that is removed monthly.
I had trimmed my pits at one point and had them waxed, yes ow! But they are just shaved now.
My facial hair has only been impeded by electrolysis......that's a whole different can of worms!
Hugs and smiles from a California girl
@Jessica Dear Jess:I have had the same experience with HRT reducing and eventually in less than 2 years time it minimized my body hair significantly and all but eliminated my armpit hair entirely. I no longer have to shave my arms, legs and some other areas.... as with my body hair, my face hair is very light and thin and is blonde in color, shaving my face once month or so takes care of it easily.
THANK YOU HRT !!!!
Hugs,
Danielle
@Dietlind @Alaskan Danielle Quote from: Dietlind on January 16, 2019, 01:36:32 PM
I am lucky that i don't have to deal with all that extra hair, because it decided to not use me as a host.
But I have a question about the facial hair. Did the time it takes to regrow take longer now than prior to HRT?
I have to shave once or twice a week now, and I wonder, if that growth slows down even more with HRT, whether I want to go through all the electrolysis? Or I just have the area around my mouth done, which is the most visible.
If it has, it hasn't been to a large degree. I still need to shave at least every two days. Now where electrolysis has been applied, at the moment it takes far longer to reappear. I am in the second clearing of my chin and lips. It takes several clearings to have it entirely gone, so it's a work in progress. It does make me a sight if I need to forgo shaving between electrolysis sessions, with an area hairless surrounded by stubble. Oof!
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on January 16, 2019, 01:38:20 PM
@Jessica
Dear Jess:
I have had the same experience with HRT reducing and eventually in less than 2 years time it minimized my body hair significantly and all but eliminated my armpit hair entirely. I no longer have to shave my arms, legs and some other areas.... as with my body hair, my face hair is very light and thin and is blonde in color, shaving my face once month or so takes care of it easily.
THANK YOU HRT !!!!
Hugs,
Danielle
You are so lucky in regards to your facial hair. So you didn't need electrolysis??
Quote from: Jessica on January 16, 2019, 01:46:25 PM
@Dietlind @Alaskan Danielle
If it has, it hasn't been to a large degree. I still need to shave at least every two days. Now where electrolysis has been applied, at the moment it takes far longer to reappear. I am in the second clearing of my chin and lips. It takes several clearings to have it entirely gone, so it's a work in progress. It does make me a sight if I need to forgo shaving between electrolysis sessions, with an area hairless surrounded by stubble. Oof!
You are so lucky in regards to your facial hair. So you didn't need electrolysis??
@Jessica Dear Jess:
Most definitely one of the downsides to Electrolysis... going around looking quite feminine as you do with hair stubble on your face....
I was "allergic" to electrolysis in the sense that it horribly irritated and raised havoc with my skin....
and I was very glad that HRT pretty well took care of my face hair issues as I mentioned in my previous post reply.
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on January 16, 2019, 01:53:26 PM
@Jessica
Dear Jess:
Most definitely one of the downsides to Electrolysis... going around looking quite feminine as you do with hair stubble on your face....
I was "allergic" to electrolysis in the sense that it horribly irritated and raised havoc with my skin....
and I was very glad that HRT pretty well took care of my face hair issues as I mentioned in my previous post reply.
Danielle
Danielle
Can you remember how much facial hair growth you had prior to HRT? Mine is basically colorless, not even real white, and as I said I don't need to shave a lot, if I shave twice a week, I do it for myself, because of the sandpaper feeling. for cosmetic reason I need to shave only once weekly, and that is prior to HRT. If an orchi and HRT would reduce the growth frequency even more, I would safe the money, and spare myself the pain (because I am a wimpy sissy when it comes to pain).
Quote from: Dietlind on January 16, 2019, 02:02:12 PM
Danielle
Can you remember how much facial hair growth you had prior to HRT? Mine is basically colorless, not even real white, and as I said I don't need to shave a lot, if I shave twice a week, I do it for myself, because of the sandpaper feeling. for cosmetic reason I need to shave only once weekly, and that is prior to HRT. If an orchi and HRT would reduce the growth frequency even more, I would safe the money, and spare myself the pain (because I am a wimpy sissy when it comes to pain).
@Dietlind: Prior to transitioning I seldom had to shave because my hair was thin and light in color blonde so it was not as apparent as darker and thicker hair and did not grow very fast..... then thankfully HRT did the rest. All of that was obviously an advantage to me when I decided to transition.
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on January 16, 2019, 02:43:01 PM
@Dietlind:
Prior to transitioning I seldom had to shave because my hair was thin and light in color blonde so it was not as apparent as darker and thicker hair and did not grow very fast..... then thankfully HRT did the rest. All of that was obviously an advantage to me when I decided to transition.
Danielle
Thank you Danielle
This makes me to really want to wait a little longer, or just have the upper lip and hin area done, and call it good!
If I can get along with shaving less than once a week, I can live with it, and keep investing my money into the fine products of the Gillette company!
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on January 16, 2019, 02:43:01 PM. . . hair was thin and light in color blonde
Dirty blond here . . . with unintentional white and grey streaks ??? Dietlind been researching hair types and phases. One can STOP vellus hair from growing completely with Casodex but once it turns to terminal, colored hair retarding growth becomes more of a mystery being dependant on size and depth of root bulb?
Why would dark chest and armpit hair go away but not beard, pubic and head hair?
I'm in the shave camp. I've been shaving my pits for longer than I can remember. It's also more hygienic as you don't have all that hair to collect sweat and smell. :)
Quote from: Chloe on January 16, 2019, 04:38:54 PM
Dirty blond here . . . with unintentional white and grey streaks ??? Dietlind been researching hair types and phases. One can STOP vellus hair from growing completely with Casodex but once it turns to terminal, colored hair retarding growth becomes more of a mystery being dependant on size and depth of root bulb?
Why would dark chest and armpit hair go away but not beard, pubic and head hair?
My thing is that my hairy situation is different that the one for most of you. I never had body hair (no arm or leg hair, or arm pit hair either), and only some pubic hair growing in a definit female pattern (no growth up toward the belly button). I have no hair loss , bald spots or receding hair line on my head either, and I also have no Adams Apple. The only clearly male identifying indicators of my body are my genitals, and my facial (sparsely) hair growth.
I almost have the feeling that those beard hair follicles must have found a little bit of testosterone and decided to party with it!
I'm kinda lucky I guess, never had much body hair but still have a pretty full head of hair
My armpit hair is sparse and hardly noticeable but I wax it from time to time anyway because I notice - Either that or I'm a masochist LOL
There are some cultures who find pit hair attractive - Okay, whatever floats your boat dear ;)
Quote from: V M on January 16, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
There are some cultures who find pit hair attractive - Okay, whatever floats your boat dear ;)
I am glad that I don't live in such a culture, i would be considered to be as unattractive as they come!
Quote from: Dietlind on January 16, 2019, 03:27:04 PM
Thank you Danielle
This makes me to really want to wait a little longer, or just have the upper lip and hin area done, and call it good!
If I can get along with shaving less than once a week, I can live with it, and keep investing my money into the fine products of the Gillette company!
Save your money and go with Harry's Razors or the Dollar Shave Club. Most of Gillette's products are made in "whomever's cheapest" foreign nation. Of course, they don't pass that savings on to the consumer. Their high end Fusion 5 (overkill) pricey razors were last known to be made in Boston. I have heard nothing but great reviews on Harry's. Their razors are made in Germany in their own factory. German stainless steel and metal craftsmanship is considered the best in the world. I will only buy my cooking knives from there.
As for the Dollar Shave Club razors, the word on the street is that they are rebranded Dorco blades, which is a South Korean company. They have a warehouse in the USA, but not sure if they have any production facilities here. There reviews appear to be mostly positive. I have not much direct experience, as a metal smith or consumer, with South Korean stainless steel. I would much prefer Japanese stainless, instead. They are number 2 in quality and craftsmanship, but that may have changed since the latest global depression.
Quote from: BritneyX on January 16, 2019, 10:03:07 PM
Save your money and go with Harry's Razors or the Dollar Shave Club. Most of Gillette's products are made in "whomever's cheapest" foreign nation. Of course, they don't pass that savings on to the consumer. Their high end Fusion 5 (overkill) pricey razors were last known to be made in Boston. I have heard nothing but great reviews on Harry's. Their razors are made in Germany in their own factory. German stainless steel and metal craftsmanship is considered the best in the world. I will only buy my cooking knives from there.
You mean the twins from Henkel? I am a friend of one of the Henkel twins, we lived pretty close together. But I have never hear of any person in the knife world named harry (that is not a German name anyway). Most people in Germany buy Gillette !
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As for the Dollar Shave Club razors, the word on the street is that they are rebranded Dorco blades, which is a South Korean company. They have a warehouse in the USA, but not sure if they have any production facilities here. There reviews appear to be mostly positive. I have not much direct experience, as a metal smith or consumer, with South Korean stainless steel. I would much prefer Japanese stainless, instead. They are number 2 in quality and craftsmanship, but that may have changed since the latest global depression.
I buy my Gillette cartridges at Costco for a relatively reasonable price. i can get up to 5 shavings out of one cartridge, that means it lasts me close to 2 months.
Quote from: Allison S on January 15, 2019, 06:57:13 AM
I noticed nair leaves little hairs I have to shave after anyway. That's a bit annoying
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I tried Nair once and it burned my skin. I didn't leave it on longer than the directions said either. Thankfully I only used it on my legs. It would have fried my underarms! Ouch.
Quote from: Julia1996 on January 17, 2019, 10:10:37 AM
I tried Nair once and it burned my skin. I didn't leave it on longer than the directions said either. Thankfully I only used it on my legs. It would have fried my underarms! Ouch.
Same thing happened with me, I really just can't do chemi stuff
Quote from: Dietlind on January 16, 2019, 11:07:35 PM
You mean the twins from Henkel? I am a friend of one of the Henkel twins, we lived pretty close together. But I have never hear of any person in the knife world named harry (that is not a German name anyway). Most people in Germany buy Gillette !I buy my Gillette cartridges at Costco for a relatively reasonable price. i can get up to 5 shavings out of one cartridge, that means it lasts me close to 2 months.
I always had trouble shaving once my facial hair kicked in during my early to mid-20s. When Gillette's uber expensive Fusion 5 razors, I believed all their hype in the ads and bought in. No matter how I used them (technique, skin prep, lubrication), they left my face feeling like road rash. Often, my neck would be bleeding from the micro cuts. They also sucked at shaving any hair over a 1/8 inch growth, as they would quickly clog up, necessitating using a safety pin to clean them out. Attempts at regular length body/arm pit hair were met with very little amount shaved in a 2-3" patch. Even though, I would thoroughly clean a (face only) blade cartridge with picking the blades clean, hot/soapy water, & alcohol, I would be rewarded with bad folliculitis if I dared to reuse that razor cartridge. One use, throw away, was not acceptable. Went thru electric shavers with either they would cause road rash/folliculitis or they just gave a crappy shave. Even bought that expensive Braun self-cleaning electric razor. No dice. So I went to the Doc to see about getting a dermatologist consult. He suggested that I try something before I go and spend money on the co-pay. He instructed me to use ONLY a single blade razor like the inexpensive Bic razors. He instructed me to dry shave, with a cleaned face after a warm/hot shower, using a single stroke with the direction of the hair growth. He further instructed to take my time and then follow up with just a good quality, regular, everyday, traditional aftershave. He said that after about the 3rd shave, my skin will get used to it and that I would finally get a clean, close shave. And I be darned, it work like a charm! Helped me get thru the Navy, so as long as, I shaved after morning PT, not before.
This technique, however, was miserable on the armpits and body hair. I would have to go with a 3 blade cartridge after a good mowing with my electric body hair trimmers. Now, that I have been shaving so often, the electric trimmers are not needed. The Nair has made shaving with a blade very optional. Looking forward to getting that laser thingy that you eluded to that Barbie uses. I don't want to do anything permanent till I see how HRT is going to change things on top. If I have to get transplants, I want the Doc to have plenty of donor hair available.
Note: From what I know of Harry's is that they just purchased a factory there to bring down costs. However, I did come across a review by a men's site, along with he comments, that suggest that Harry's dropped down in quality with their new cartridge design. If the comments are to be believed, they are no longer using quality German stainless steel or they are purchasing from another manufacturer. In this modern age of globalism, you can't trust anybody, anymore. Greed rules the day, not customer satisfaction and loyalty. ???
PS: Who are the Henkel twins?
I shave regularly, but I like the feminine look of how it grows in. I have definitely noticed a change in the hair quality maybe not so much the pattern. I always thought it a bit strange growing up why cis woman I know do not like shaving. I am sure it could be many reason's why from personal hygiene to personal preference, but to me I naturally feel more feminine, and I think it shows a sign of maturity. However, I hate the places testosterone makes hair grow. :icon_censored:
@BritneyX
Hi Britney,
The Henkel twins make the best know German cutlery!
My shaving needs are absolutely different from yours. I have no body hair, or hair on arms, legs and under the arms. even my pubic hair is well behaving and grows in some form of a bikini cut, I just have to clean the edges a little to wear a bathing suit. The only hair that I need to deal with, is my facial hair. When I shave it close (with the Gillette thing), it takes about two days until I get the sandpaper feeling rubbing over my skin, and after two further days a stubble of almost colorless hair can be sen if the light is right, and that is the point when I feel the need to shave again. If I plan to bum around the home that day, I delay the shaving to the next day. The only time that I have seen a hair on my face that was longer than 1/8", was the time that I tried to grow a beard to look more manly (that was nothing to write home about)
I hope you find the ideal hair removal device, while I just stay with the Gillette stuff, until I visit Germany again and see what they have to offer in their marketplace .
Have a good one!
Linde
Quote from: Dietlind on January 17, 2019, 03:50:39 PM
@BritneyX
Hi Britney,
The Henkel twins make the best know German cutlery!
My shaving needs are absolutely different from yours. I have no body hair, or hair on arms, legs and under the arms. even my pubic hair is well behaving and grows in some form of a bikini cut, I just have to clean the edges a little to wear a bathing suit. The only hair that I need to deal with, is my facial hair. When I shave it close (with the Gillette thing), it takes about two days until I get the sandpaper feeling rubbing over my skin, and after two further days a stubble of almost colorless hair can be sen if the light is right, and that is the point when I feel the need to shave again. If I plan to bum around the home that day, I delay the shaving to the next day. The only time that I have seen a hair on my face that was longer than 1/8", was the time that I tried to grow a beard to look more manly (that was nothing to write home about)
I hope you find the ideal hair removal device, while I just stay with the Gillette stuff, until I visit Germany again and see what they have to offer in their marketplace .
Have a good one!
Linde
Yeah, my "manly" beard was was never all that manly. I had what we call in Texas, "a scraggly beard". When I got the boot from the Navy and languished for the VA to take 4 years to give me my Disability, I just stopped presenting as anything, including being alive (stupid meds). I just let the beard, hair and body hair just do what it wanted. Man or woman, it was grotesque, just like how I felt. That has completely changed for me, so looking great is part of feeling great. As always, we have to go with what works best for our individual bodies.
This question is for everyone. Does anyone know if Transgender women are afflicted with the hirsutism that Golden aged cis-women can be afflicted with, in its varying levels of occurrence?
Quote from: BritneyX on January 17, 2019, 06:04:20 PM
This question is for everyone. Does anyone know if Transgender women are afflicted with the hirsutism that Golden aged cis-women can be afflicted with, in its varying levels of occurrence?
Read it up, and see for yourself! In theory it is like trans women have it anyway, facial hair and body hair growth, not normally found on a female body!
I could probably be a candidate for it, because my body is to a pretty large extend female. But I do't believe that I will get it, because neither my mother or my sister complained about it. I might not have the genetic makeup for it.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hirsutism/symptoms-causes/syc-20354935
Quote from: BritneyX on January 17, 2019, 06:04:20 PMDoes anyone know if Transgender women are afflicted with the hirsutism that Golden aged cis-women can be afflicted with
Of course we are . . . since hirsutism in cis women is primarily caused by a hormonal imbalance, is induced by "
excess male hormones called androgens, primarily testosterone". The good news is there is a "cure" that will stop growth of most all Vellus Hair but only some types of Terminal hairs . . . my guess is depending on how rooted in the dermis it is.
QuoteTerminal hair never retrogresses to vellus hair, except in male pattern baldness. Generally speaking, original terminal hair always remain terminal hair. It is this type of hair one attempts to remove in unwanted areas –hence Electrolysis the only permanent hair removal method
Aside from being an absolute T/DHT block am unsure how Casodex effects the growth phases of some types of hair but others types not.
I used an electric trimmer today and my hair is basically gone. This is new for me. I've always had to shave with a razor.
Ok, I should have phrased that earlier question a bit more succinctly. What I was trying to find will the positive changes due to HRT be mitigated later in life. That is to say, if HRT, God Willing, reduces the thickness and amount of facial/body hair for me, is it a possibility when I get into my 80s/90s that that will all revert back, even if I am still on estrogen? I have yet to hear back from the Doc on when my HRT will start or what regimen it will be. I didn't want to overload her with two many questions.
Quote from: BritneyX on January 19, 2019, 10:59:02 PM. . . is it a possibility when I get into my 80s/90s that that will all revert back, even if I am still on estrogen?
lol Well if lucky to live so long teeth might fall out but hair? Maybe not . . . suppose genetics might 'ave something to do with it? My grandmother was 99 when she passed on and still had all her wits & 'parts' about her! I am about to be 63 and, having completely stopped taking any AA's about 4 years ago, no regrowth has occurred consider the bicalutamide therapy to be the only thing I've done so far that is "permanent".
Also still have a full head of hair, nicer than most cis women, suppose a lot also depends on your first starting point? While having had no surgeries so far and on/off/on different "E's and AA's since mid-twenties my father, on the other hand, died from prostate cancer so who knows? Vowed it wasn't gonna happen to me suppose some things one has to just take on faith?
The thing that baffles me most is chest/tummy/armpit hair is colored type terminal hair so WHY would it be affected but not the beard, head or pubic areas? Perhaps growth in those areas has slowed but know there's still a lot they don't know about what affects hair's different phases wish there was a topical solution other than very expensive
Eflora Cream (Eflornithine which is not permanent btw) >:(
I've done some electrolysis on cheeks but it's frustrating I mean WHY do some heads go bald
BUT NOT FACES?
From what I have read about endocrine system that regulates hormones, each hormone is paired with hormone receptors. Furthermore, those same hormone receptors can work differently in other parts of the body. This can be influences by the actions of other receptors. This is really complex when it comes to a cis-woman's puberty, cycle, and pregnancy. I was following a case study done by a endocrinologist who put a Transwoman thru an intricate hormone pregnancy to correlate with her cis-woman partner's birth, so that she could breastfeed their child. It was some pretty intense biology.
Quote from: BritneyX on January 20, 2019, 02:17:02 AMa Transwoman thru an intricate hormone pregnancy . . .
:D ;D My daughter is breastfeeding and every time I hold 'little one' he eyes mine up but dare not despite wondering what that'd feel like! Also always wondered if sexual activity helps breasts grow?
A lot of articles like this (https://www.healthline.com/health/excessive-or-unwanted-hair-in-women#diagnosis) don't mention "bica' as a treatment for stopping unwanted hair growth but if you google 'hirsutism' and 'bicalutamide' that is slowly changing . . . and note the low dose needed I can verify it works for us transgirls too!
If your right and some follicle areas are more sensitive to DHT than others there HAS to be a way to shut it down locally that simply hasn't been discovered yet! As trans issues and treatments become more widely known and addressed perhaps by the time you hit 90?
Quote from: BritneyX on January 20, 2019, 02:17:02 AM
From what I have read about endocrine system that regulates hormones, each hormone is paired with hormone receptors. Furthermore, those same hormone receptors can work differently in other parts of the body. This can be influences by the actions of other receptors. This is really complex when it comes to a cis-woman's puberty, cycle, and pregnancy. I was following a case study done by a endocrinologist who put a Transwoman thru an intricate hormone pregnancy to correlate with her cis-woman partner's birth, so that she could breastfeed their child. It was some pretty intense biology.
Those hormones do really funny things. Why do I have no body hair (no hair anywhere on my torso or limbs, except some pubic stuff, but this is not growing wild either), but I seem not to have lost any hair on my head at all, but yet some kind of facial hair growth (not dramatically fast growing, but it is there).
Hairwise, I seem to reflect my entire genetic makeup as an intersex person, partially male, partially female. I would have preferred hairy legs over facial hair, but nobody asked me what I wanted to have, I just got it!
Not having body hair made me some way different from my peers when i tried to be a man, and facial hair makes me different from cis women now that i try to be a woman, One can't win! :'(
Quote from: Chloe on January 20, 2019, 08:08:02 AM
: don't mention "bica' as a treatment for stopping unwanted hair growth but if you google 'hirsutism' and 'bicalutamide' that is slowly changing . . .
But if I read all the possible side effects, i wonder what is better, those or electrolysis?
Bicalutamide may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:
hot flashes or flushing
bone, back, or pelvic pain
muscle weakness
muscle or joint pain
headache
shortness of breath
increased blood pressure
swelling of the hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs
cough
constipation
nausea
vomiting
abdominal pain
diarrhea
gas
change in weight (loss or gain)
loss of appetite
dizziness
pain, burning, or tingling in the hands or feet
difficulty sleeping
feeling of uneasiness or dread
rash
sweating
inability to get or keep an erection
need to urinate frequently during the night
bloody urine
painful or difficult urination
frequent and urgent need to urinate
difficulty emptying bladder
painful or swollen breasts
Some side effects can be serious. If you experience any of these symptoms, call your doctor immediately:
yellowing of the skin or eyes
pain in the upper right part of the stomach
extreme tiredness
unusual bleeding or bruising
lack of energy
upset stomach
loss of appetite
flu-like symptoms
dull or sharp side pain
chest pain
Quote from: Dietlind on January 20, 2019, 09:36:52 AM
But if I read all the possible side effects, i wonder what is better, those or electrolysis?
No no no Dietlind if ya gonna listen to chem companies, whose sole ambition is avoiding liability, then live your life in *fear* and don't cross a busy street, drive a car, join the military and definitely don't transition in the 1st place! I have experienced none of the above. Bica is one of few drugs we're using according to it's intended purpose and keep in mind the dosing for cancer patients, for which these "warnings" are directed, is 8X (times) what I have found we need to be effective.
Since 1st joining Susan's I've seen more being prescribed with trans docs slowly catching up isn't Spiro's T suppression also an unintended "side effect"? On my old job I watched someone
DROP from potassium deficiency we thought he was
DEAD took the ambulance forever to show up!
I will say no more on the subject of "Casodex". I do not
PROFIT from it's sale or use and can only lead a horse (mare?) to water . . . If ya can afford electrolysis
goforit otherwise, if a masochist, DIY like I indeed watched a member here do! Being InterSex yourself sounds like you and I don't need it but surely others here could benefit from it!
Quote from: Chloe on January 20, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Being InterSex yourself sounds like you and I don't need it but surely others here could benefit from it!
Would it work for facial hair? That is the only undesired hair my body decided to grow. Not much or very rapidly, but still growing. I have to shave 1- 2 times per week, if I would find a way to reduce the need for shaving to ever 2 weeks, I would forget about electrolysis and just continue trying to slit my throat every two weeks!
Quote from: Dietlind on January 20, 2019, 08:05:10 PM
Would it work for facial hair?
*sigh* Unfortunately NOT! At least not yet! This is my only trouble spot as well but if I find a solution, other than electrolysis, I'll split it with ya and we'll both be rich!
Quote from: Chloe on January 20, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
*sigh* Unfortunately NOT! At least not yet! This is my only trouble spot as well but if I find a solution, other than electrolysis, I'll split it with ya and we'll both be rich!
That would be great, because I can use all the money I can get for my bottom surgery!
I just wonder if HRT slows the facial hair grows down enough that I could get along with shaving one or twice every two weeks. At that point, I would probably have electrolysis done only on the upper lip and around my chin, and would continue to shave the other, easy to shave areas those few times a month.
Quote from: Dietlind on January 20, 2019, 11:22:39 PM. . . shaving one or twice every two weeks.
Oh wow Dietlind I'm jealous of the intersex thing your way ahead of me! I've had my cheeks cleared and stubble is really light so *shadow* isn't a problem but often don't bother to shave *close* every day thus *snuggling up* would still be a problem . . . perhaps a cis girl wouldn't mind but with a guy it'd surely be a "I'm dead" give-away?
Perhaps Eflora Cream (Eflornithine) would work for you?
Quote from: Chloe on January 21, 2019, 08:11:50 AM
Oh wow Dietlind I'm jealous of the intersex thing your way ahead of me! I've had my cheeks cleared and stubble is really light so *shadow* isn't a problem but often don't bother to shave *close* every day thus *snuggling up* would still be a problem . . . perhaps a cis girl wouldn't mind but with a guy it'd surely be a "I'm dead" give-away?
Perhaps Eflora Cream (Eflornithine) would work for you?
See, this is the good thing about being asexual. I don't snuggle anymore! What I can't stand is the sandpaper feeling (after 2 or 3 days not shaving) that I get when removing makeup at night. This feeling drives me nuts, and is probably a big reason of some of my dysphoria. It makes me to feel so unwomanly! If I can reduce that feeling to come only every 5 or 6 days, I might be happy, and I think I could live with it. Colorwise, my facial hair is between white and opaque, and it will take a few days of not shaving until anybody would see that I am growing hair on my face. The visible effect is not my problem, it is this stupid sandpaper feeling!
I have to see what that cream is, I have never heard of such a stuff. I have this super sensitive baby skin (another intersex thing of mine, I never got adult skin), and I have to be very careful with what I smear onto it.
I made once the failure and put over the counter night cram on, needless to say that I stayed awake the entire night continuously itching my face, even after I washed the stuff off!
Each time when I go in for skin care, they are ranting and raving what wonderful skin I have, softer and nicer than their teenager clients. But what they don't see is the fact that I can use very expensive medical grade products only to keep my skin OK.
Anyway, thanks for the tip with the hair control cream!
Just read through the Amazon customer reviews for Eflora Cream (I always read the 3 star comments, because they seem to be pretty free of emotions), and it seems not to work well, or not to work at all. But the price is very high. I would have to mull this over more.
Quote from: Chloe on January 20, 2019, 08:08:02 AM
If your right and some follicle areas are more sensitive to DHT than others there HAS to be a way to shut it down locally that simply hasn't been discovered yet! As trans issues and treatments become more widely known and addressed perhaps by the time you hit 90?
I hope it is sooner, than later. The Dermatologist at the VA pretty much says the same thing about my folliculitis problem that my VA Primary says about my injury, "So sad, too bad, you are stuck with it."
Quote from: Chloe on January 20, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
No no no Dietlind if ya gonna listen to chem companies, whose sole ambition is avoiding liability, then live your life in *fear* and don't cross a busy street, drive a car, join the military and definitely don't transition in the 1st place! I have experienced none of the above. Bica is one of few drugs we're using according to it's intended purpose and keep in mind the dosing for cancer patients, for which these "warnings" are directed, is 8X (times) what I have found we need to be effective.
Since 1st joining Susan's I've seen more being prescribed with trans docs slowly catching up isn't Spiro's T suppression also an unintended "side effect"? On my old job I watched someone DROP from potassium deficiency we thought he was DEAD took the ambulance forever to show up!
I will say no more on the subject of "Casodex". I do not PROFIT from it's sale or use and can only lead a horse (mare?) to water . . . If ya can afford electrolysis goforit otherwise, if a masochist, DIY like I indeed watched a member here do! Being InterSex yourself sounds like you and I don't need it but surely others here could benefit from it!
I had a super bad case of Hurricane Katrina vintage MRSA on my face from an ingrown hair on my chin (trouble shaving spot). Put me in the ICU ward for 5 days. They gave me the latest, greatest antibiotic for it that wasn't even on the market yet. I was scare told to take it, verbatim no matter how it made me feel, for the prescribed two weeks. If I failed to do it, there was a high risk that the virus would become immune, which could mutate the entire strain. So I did as instructed and they sent me home. By the 6th day, I was back on Duty and I started feeling like I was totally wasted. I was lethargic, slurring my speech and slowly loosing coordination. As an Aircrewman, I recognized it as Hypoxia, so off to the Magic M factory (Base Medical) to be given the standard Motrin care "Take two Motrin and come back in two weeks. If your blown off arm has not grown back, then we while try something else". A friend asked what I was prescribed and she looked it up on the manufacturers website. There were 8 listed side-effects with a warning to go immediately straight to the ER if you have ANY of those side-effects. I had 7 out of the 8! You see, the manufacturer also stated that daily blood work was to be done to monitor for these side-effects. None were ordered by the Civilian doc and the Navy has to send all blood work to Pensacola Navy Hospital with an 8 day turn around! The reason for this blood monitoring is that the drug de-oxygenates at the cellular level. I was literally asphyxiating my cells. So after I chewed out the quack Navy Doc (some Captain) telling me to just stop taking the meds, I spoke with the Civilian quack. He said, "Ah, I <u>guess</u> it would be fine to stop."
Quote from: BritneyX on January 25, 2019, 01:34:41 AM
If I failed to do it, there was a high risk that the virus would become immune, which could mutate the entire strain. So I did as instructed and they sent me home.
(Mrs. Know it all on)
Just a mini correction. Antibiotics don't do viruses, you must have had some weird bacterial infection.
(Mrs Know it all off)
Whatever they use to kill off the MRSA virus, they gave me the new whizbang stuff.
By the way, we ran out of frogs in 8th Grade Biology class. That left Biologically impaired. :P
Quote from: BritneyX on January 29, 2019, 11:01:49 PM
Whatever they use to kill off the MRSA virus, they gave me the new whizbang stuff.
By the way, we ran out of frogs in 8th Grade Biology class. That left Biologically impaired. :P
Don't worry, you can always ask me, the Mrs Know It All! >:-) :angel: >:-)