I don't get it. Honestly.
The material they put in, is made of very soft material. Put underneath the breast tissue even.
But when you see it, it typically looks like someone put two solid balls in there. They can barely move.
So how does soft material placed underneath, have such a rigid looking result? Why is everybody satisfied with this? Why isn't their major calls for improvement?
When it comes to that, I might as well stick with breast forms.
Short answer? They don't.
Longer, better answer.. This does not happen in all cases, in fact fairly few. But it is possible for the body to encapsulate the implant in a fibrous tissue that makes them look firm and outlines the implant clearly.. Low quality implants.. Overfilled saline implants.. Oh.. And a common one.. People seem to like to take pics of their new boobs while they are still healing and so there is swelling and other inflammation involved.
I've met women who have implants that you'd never be able to tell, even with a thorough physical exam. <Edited>
Then how come you see famous, wealthy people with the condition?
https://www.theplace2.ru/photos/Victoria-Beckham-md628/pic-82544.html
Victoria Beckham can afford the best surgeons in the world yet the shape is clearly unnatural. She wears low cut dresses to show off, which would indicate that is the result she expected.
I met with a surgeon recently and he does some of his transgender women patients in two steps where the first stage he implants stretchers to stretch the skin and allow for a more natural shape. Then on a follow up surgery he implants silicone implants and they look perfect. He has many examples of his work and they look authentic enough to me. It depends on the person, body structure and size of the implants as well.
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Quote from: JMJW on January 21, 2019, 04:48:02 PM
I don't get it. Honestly.
Either do I but apparently
YOUR RIGHT! My older sister had implants over 25 years ago and she says the exact same thing: hard as rocks!
Quote from: JMJW on January 21, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Then how come you see famous, wealthy people with the condition?
https://www.theplace2.ru/photos/Victoria-Beckham-md628/pic-82544.html
Victoria Beckham can afford the best surgeons in the world yet the shape is clearly unnatural. She wears low cut dresses to show off, which would indicate that is the result she expected.
Given the bodice on that outfit, I'm not surprised at the appearance of her breasts, they are being pushed up by a bodice made for smaller breasts. That's a clothing choice issue. That said, a high price is no reflection on a surgeons skills.
She may also have chosen to have her breasts appear like that. I wouldn't, but I'm not her.
Quote from: PurplePelican on January 21, 2019, 09:35:18 PM
Given the bodice on that outfit, I'm not surprised at the appearance of her breasts, they are being pushed up by a bodice made for smaller breasts. That's a clothing choice issue. That said, a high price is no reflection on a surgeons skills.
She may also have chosen to have her breasts appear like that. I wouldn't, but I'm not her.
Yes, that looks very tight and uncomfortable. You can see the twists of skin under her arm. There is a battle against gravity going on...and gravity isn't winning!
Quote from: RealLacy on January 21, 2019, 10:03:02 PM
Yes, that looks very tight and uncomfortable. You can see the twists of skin under her arm. There is a battle against gravity going on...and gravity isn't winning!
It is.... just being restrained by an exoskeleton :)
Quote from: PurplePelican on January 21, 2019, 09:35:18 PM
Given the bodice on that outfit, I'm not surprised at the appearance of her breasts, they are being pushed up by a bodice made for smaller breasts. That's a clothing choice issue. That said, a high price is no reflection on a surgeons skills.
She may also have chosen to have her breasts appear like that. I wouldn't, but I'm not her.
Natural looking ones of her size would make a cleavage in that outfit.
There are 3 different types of breast implants.
QuoteSaline
Saline breast implants are made up of sale, or salt water, and can give women a fairly natural look, feel, and appearance. And one of the best parts about saline implants is that if they were to burst or rupture at any point, the saline solution is easily and safely absorbed into your body, so it won't cause any sort of health issues.
Silicone
Another common type of breast implant is silicone implants. Although they took a hiatus from the plastic surgery world in the 1990's due to safety issues, silicone implants are now safer than ever. Filled with a silicone substance, these implants give women a natural feel. If ruptured, it often times takes patients a few days to notice a rupture due to how slowly silicone leaks into the body. Just like saline, however, saline is completely safe and dissolvable by the human body.
Gummy Bear Implants
These types of implants are fairly new to the plastic surgery market and offer patients the most natural looking and feeling breasts yet. Made from a high strength silicone gel, gummy bear implants hold their shape and form better than both saline or silicone implants.
I would get the Gummy Bears or as some men say 'gummies' because they look realistic.
No matter which type of implant you get, many women get capsular contraction of some degree and they can cause the hard unnatural look we all want to avoid. Not all women get severe capsular contraction and those are the breasts that look and feel very natural.
Quote from: Dani on January 22, 2019, 06:19:02 AM
No matter which type of implant you get, many women get capsular contraction of some degree and they can cause the hard unnatural look we all want to avoid. Not all women get severe capsular contraction and those are the breasts that look and feel very natural.
I wonder if this is caused by the skin being too tight?
Way back when, when we started to work on the development of these things, we did not have in mind that healthy women would ave them implanted to get bigger boobs. Our goal audience were women who had their breasts removed becuse of cancer. And the implants looked pretty normal in those applications, because they just replaced the tissue that was removed.
Now comes the cosmetic surgery, and all of a sudden, stuff gets put underneath or on top of healthy breast tissue, and the skin gets stretched to no end, and everything looks very tight and solid. They improved the technique over the years, but I believe it looks also pretty artificial, because many women get larger implants than they should have, and the skin can hardly hold the additional volume, and reacts accordingly!
Quote from: Dietlind on January 22, 2019, 07:44:49 AM
Way back when, when we started to work on the development of these things, we did not have in mind that healthy women would ave them implanted to get bigger boobs. Our goal audience were women who had their breasts removed becuse of cancer. And the implants looked pretty normal in those applications, because they just replaced the tissue that was removed.
Now comes the cosmetic surgery, and all of a sudden, stuff gets put underneath or on top of healthy breast tissue, and the skin gets stretched to no end, and everything looks very tight and solid. They improved the technique over the years, but I believe it looks also pretty artificial, because many women get larger implants than they should have, and the skin can hardly hold the additional volume, and reacts accordingly!
It makes total sense.
I wondered this too. It does often look unnatural and "over full". Some people want this look, but I'd rather be flat as a pancake than have ones that look like a pair of ping pong balls.
Maybe implants could be smaller but people think they should go larger just in case, I have heard this from someone I know who wanted a boob job. They were worried about going through the hassle of surgery only to have something unnoticeable, after all the expense and recovery. I don't know if she got it done in the end.
Quote from: JMJW on January 21, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Then how come you see famous, wealthy people with the condition?
There is one picture in that set where she is wearing a loose fitting tee, no bra, and her boobs are completely covered. In that shot they look awesome. Also, most guys are not as critical as women. They just see big boobs.
I believe that breast implant are to enhance what you have not completely redesign.
Each body is different. Some end up looking like that, some look very natural. It also depends on the surgeon.
I'm 65, and will be receiving mammary feminization (yes, that is what the provider is calling it!), or Breast Augmentation (BA) in a couple of months. I'm a small 34B, and will be adding an estimated 275-300 cc in each side, under muscle. The surgeon will determine what size works best.
I fully expect to have this 'unnatural' tight appearance for a while as things settle down and tissue swelling slowly goes down. I am OK with this.
I expect to look 'unnatural' for my age afterward, as unlike many cisgender women my age, I do not expect the twins to be swaying down at my beltline. I am also OK with this. I am quite certain my girlfriend is OK with this. ;)
The goal is to feel right, feel comfortable in my body, to be able to dress as I want to dress, to don a swimsuit and be stared at for all the right reasons.
Yeah, eventually I will be the most rock-solid looking woman in the memory care unit. I'm OK with that, too. Eventually. Meanwhile I get to be me, whole and complete.
It has been seven weeks since I got my bolt on bewbies and while they are pretty natural looking they do still look a bit on the oddly round and high sitting side. They are looking much better than immediately after surgery though, but they won't be done settling until at least the 6 month mark. At that point they should look quite natural, if a bit too perky for someone pushing 40.
I think a lot of these rock hard looking boob jobs are done by surgeons who go for the fake look either by preference or by the patient's request. Some women really like that look and as such it is a money maker for the surgeon. I went for natural personally and my surgeon did a pretty great job.
Quote from: Kylo on January 22, 2019, 09:39:59 AM
I wondered this too. It does often look unnatural and "over full". Some people want this look, but I'd rather be flat as a pancake than have ones that look like a pair of ping pong balls.
The best example for this is a sister in law of mine. She is a thin, petite person with breasts that did fit her petite frame pretty well. Until she decided she wanted bigger boobs. She go them done, and no it looks like somebody had nailed two soft balls onto a flat board!
Maybe it's just me, but this thread feels a bit like an in-clique ragging on the choices made by other women.
That might not be the best possible thing for trans folks to be doing.
Quote from: Michelle_P on January 22, 2019, 09:07:39 PM
Maybe it's just me, but this thread feels a bit like an in-clique ragging on the choices made by other women.
That might not be the best possible thing for trans folks to be doing.
I think you are a little to sensitive here, because nobody is talking down augmentations. Just criticizing those that look way to artificial.
And I really like them, because the more are done, the better my pension is secured!
Quote from: Michelle_P on January 22, 2019, 09:07:39 PM
Maybe it's just me, but this thread feels a bit like an in-clique ragging on the choices made by other women.
That might not be the best possible thing for trans folks to be doing.
I was thinking this is a normal conversation I've had with my female coworkers. [emoji13]
It's definitely a different strokes for different folks sort of thing. Some women like the fake look, others don't.
I am at 51 days and Dr. Ley did an amazing job, they look natural and not hard. I have done my part with the massage, pull, tug, push, squeeze and vitamin E. The pain is 100% gone now and went without a bra or a band for a few hours yesterday, they bounced, I smiled. I am super happy with the results, they look a little younger than I am chronologically, I however look younger (such a blessing) I did an appraisal this weekend and the home owner was... "Margaret my dear just think in 20 years we can be neighbors! 55+ community Unless you want to just move in with me *wink*) " I told him I could move in tomorrow... poor guy, showed him my ID, he saw I was the same age lol! He proceeded to call six of his neighbors over and did the how old do you think she is game? Hell this became a I might be passing well enough post. None got it right and the four women wanted to know my secret... I just said weekly estrogen injections :)
Quote from: Michelle_P on January 22, 2019, 09:07:39 PM
Maybe it's just me, but this thread feels a bit like an in-clique ragging on the choices made by other women.
That might not be the best possible thing for trans folks to be doing.
Women are making choices within the confines of limited, and I would argue crude, surgical technique. Hell it even has to be replaced every decade. The breast enhancement of the future won't be surgery, it will be injections of stem cells.
Quote from: JMJW on January 23, 2019, 04:52:16 PM
Women are making choices within the confines of limited, and I would argue crude, surgical technique. Hell it even has to be replaced every decade. The breast enhancement of the future won't be surgery, it will be injections of stem cells.
That would be nice.
I'm 65 now. I figure that given the time to invent and refine a technique, figure out how to reliably make safe cellular changes to drive this enhancement, sort of a super CRISPR for anybody's genome, develop it as a production technique, conduct clinical trials for safety and efficacy, make needed changes as appropriate, obtain FDA approval as a cosmetic technique, and bring it to market, I'll be 85-90.
I think I'll go with the gel implants for now, and maybe upgrade sometime down the road, m'kay?
Quote from: JMJW on January 23, 2019, 04:52:16 PM
Women are making choices within the confines of limited, and I would argue crude, surgical technique. Hell it even has to be replaced every decade. The breast enhancement of the future won't be surgery, it will be injections of stem cells.
By the time that technology actually rolls around, all current surgery techniques will be considered crude - including SRS. As has been explained, it's possible to hang implants that have a natural look and feel, it just depends on the surgeon and what the patient wants. I sense an axe being ground somewhere and I'm wondering why.
I wonder how many women scrutinize things the way we do.
I'm very interest in fat transfer. It doesnt have the problems of implants, but is expensive and has a relatively limited size increase.
BA is a normally cosmetic procedure that isn't covered by insurance and women still get paid less than men, so cost is a big issue.
Quote from: Michelle_P on January 22, 2019, 09:07:39 PM
Maybe it's just me, but this thread feels a bit like an in-clique ragging on the choices made by other women.
That might not be the best possible thing for trans folks to be doing.
I agree. Not to sound preachy but maybe some women actually like and strive to get the "fake" and exaggerated look? There's an appeal to the plastic over-the-top aesthetic for some people and it's completely respectable :).
Like the old adage says, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I personally do not like or expect perfection. Maybe I have low standards, but as people, we are all flawed and to expect differently is silly to me.
As a transwoman, I just want to fit in the best I can. Perfection is far from what I want and there is really no way for me to achieve it anyway. Some ciswomen are naturally close to perfect and I don't judge them for that. If I were them I probably would go down that path.
To each their own. I want natural looks breasts and if I get implants even if that means I have small breasts.
I think there are a lot of ways to view this, and there is a difference between the various generations and types of implants. I had latest generation textured round gel implants installed in early October. They are still settling but past the "torpedo boob" phase and I cannot remember what it was like without them. For me, my breast growth stunted and the implants were more affirming than grs because it helped my self esteem and misgendering nearly went away over night.
RealSelf is a great resource to see before and after and everything in between with various size, shapes, manufacturers, etc. when I was doing my research I did not see a lot that looked solid unless the woman went huge and many seemed to want that look. My surgeon said that is a desirable look on the west coast of the us.
To me the only thing I don't like is my cleavage is further apart than I'd like, so at the gym I fee a bit self conscious because they aren't necessarily squished together as much as natural breasts would be.
They are not as soft as I would like and I think that is probably partly due to the under muscle placement. They are "fluffing" as they say but will never be the same as natural. But they do not look like rocks on my chest either, unless I wear something super tight in which they get pushed up. Then you can sort of see the outlines. Size relative to the breast pocket also has a lot to do with it - I went with the largest that fit. I could have gone bigger, but at 34DD not sure that would have looked good, and that's when they would get the Super fakey look since they would be bigger than the breast pocket, so there would not be much breast tissue covering them.
A trans woman I know who had the exact same dimensions (within 1mm) went 75cc smaller and reports they are very soft, so size definitely has something to do with it. Same surgeon, same everything.
Quote from: jill610 on January 25, 2019, 06:06:57 AM
I could have gone bigger, but at 34DD not sure that would have looked good, and that's when they would get the Super fakey look since they would be bigger than the breast pocket, so there would not be much breast tissue covering them.
And again, the size is always a relation to the bandwidth. My breasts fill very well the cup of a 34 B bra , but my bandwidth is 40, and at 40 I have a hard time to fill an A size cup! A 40 B is so large that I could put both of my boobs into one cup and use the other side for grocery shopping!
Your 34 DD might just fill a solid B or C cup in a 40 bandwidth, and would not look that big at all!
I assume a person with a 40 size bandwidth might have bigger breast pockets than one with a 34 size bandwidth (just simply because the chest is wider), and more boob augmentation would fit into this.
I feel, in the real world, one can only compare breasts sizes of the same bandwidth with each other.
Quote from: Dietlind on January 25, 2019, 07:38:50 AM
And again, the size is always a relation to the bandwidth. My breasts fill very well the cup of a 34 B bra , but my bandwidth is 40, and at 40 I have a hard time to fill an A size cup! A 40 B is so large that I could put both of my boobs into one cup and use the other side for grocery shopping!
Your 34 DD might just fill a solid B or C cup in a 40 bandwidth, and would not look that big at all!
I assume a person with a 40 size bandwidth might have bigger breast pockets than one with a 34 size bandwidth (just simply because the chest is wider), and more boob augmentation would fit into this.
I feel, in the real world, one can only compare breasts sizes of the same bandwidth with each other.
I think we are saying the same thing?
It's a proportion. A C cup is 3" of volume (bust - band =2.5-3.5), D is 4" and so on.
The breast pocket as I understand it is relative to the width of the rib cage and connective tissue. If your 40 is because of fat (not implying it is) but your actual rib cage is 3" narrower, then the pocket would be maybe the same as me at 34 with similar skeletal dimensions. They make high profile and other sizes to fit more projection in a smaller pocket as well.
I am a large 34DD or small 36DD, so sistering for me doesn't work great. A 36D is a little small, so in a 40 I would be a small 40C.
Quote from: jill610 on January 25, 2019, 07:52:07 AM. A 36D is a little small, so in a 40 I would be a small 40C.
And that is the size I hope I can get with a normal breast growth. The size I have was achieved prior to HRT, and I hope that estrogen gives me the boost to get a 40 C. Both, my mother and my sister, were pretty well endowed, and I hope that I got the same breast growth genes they had.
I had 555 cc cohesive silicone (gummy bear implants). They were implanted partially under the muscle; as far under the muscle as Dr. McGinn could get them.
Sometimes I think there are not big enough and other times I think they are very big.
I had no capsular contraction and I am soft.
I really like my boobs. My body dictated that the boobs do not have cleavage. If I were to get another implant I would go with 800 cc wide implants to place them closer together. My insurance already cleared me for the 2nd implants with a letter from the doctor. My reservation is I am thinking 800cc may be too big. I may discuss it with Dr. McGinn.
Anyhow, my boobs look natural to me and feel soft. If I go bigger I run the risk of looking fake. I got a compliment today in the gym by another woman about my body and another compliment by another woman about my hair. Very unexpected.
@Rachel,
I think it's a normal thing to feel small some days and huge others. Or at least I go through that. Today is a small day.
I used a surgeon in Doylestown who is best of mainline and is INN with IBX, and the issue with going wider is that they wander into the armpits and the space between pockets (cleavage) doesn't change, according to him. The risk is creating a uniboob. I wanted 550 mid projection to get more fullness but they were slightly (2mm) wider than the pocket and so went with 505 high profile. I am interested to hear what you end up doing with this.
It is a redundant question isn't it? How many cis women have had implants, millions? The question has been asked before by women far and wide. We don't own dysphoria, all genders have felt it and had to deal with it in some way. If someone feels extreme discomfort at their body and can do something about it, what's the fuss? This is one category where we are not blazing a new path, women have felt this all along is it a surprise that we deal with it also.
I did not know about transition(hormones) for the longest time. I thought that surgical transition was the only way and I can't count how many times in my life that I was on the verge of doing it. I was so worried about looking fake, I was an idiot. John Lennon put it best I think, whatever it takes to get you through the night. This is brutal hard, and some people do what it takes, please don't judge them. I know that if my breasts did not grow that I was more than ready to get implants.
Honestly, I don't really look at breasts so I don't know how they look one way or the other. Women notice cleavage though, sometimes it is hard not to, and they have definitive views on the subject. I have slightly more than average sized breasts, they are too far apart and I hate it, my best friend hates how much bigger they are than her's and she is cis.
I guess that what I am saying is that our view, our way, is not THE way, it is just another way among the multitude. My personal opinion is that they give what so many women want most, cleavage, and they don't have to do more than that. We are all just looking to quiet that f'ing voice in our head.